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Post by purple1 on Jan 8, 2021 15:16:57 GMT
^ Then all his life is mid life crisis. He always behaved like this. But before Megxit we saw the results of how he treated Kate (and this is only echo of his actions, the top of the iceberg, something what leaked): his verbier parties, coming to Jecca on Eastern, Rose affair etc. But I don't feel sorry for Kate, she was promoting and contibuting his behavior during his twenties.She and Ma Midd made him feel SPECIAL when he never was (and I guess he knew it). So now she is reaping the benefits. Harry maybe is not the best brother but he doesn't deserve what W&K did to him. K wanted to keep him beside, I think she liked the fact she is the only woman between two princes and thought Harry awlays will be courteous fool with her. All this "Harry was jealous, he is in love w/ Kate" is bs.No, Harry doesn't deserve this and the rift is forever now (or until W&K divroce). What's ironic is Harry’s is gone and they have the spotlight to themselves but they keep fumbling like that disastrous Covid tour. Hmmmm.... |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 8, 2021 17:28:48 GMT
William spent his entire formative years just (for lack of a better way of putting it) mooching off of the good reputation of his mother and also at the same time, popular culture idealized him since he was young and everyone projected their optimism and hopes onto him and trusted him before he proved worthy. They treated him with respect before he earned it. Everything he has had has been due to someone else's work or sacrifices. He messed up his brother, lured Harry into hard drinking, and ended up letting Harry be painted as the bad guy. Meanwhile, he was treating Kate like dirt, but Kate put up with it for the ring and it validated the worst parts of his personality. He then decides to shirk work, but HM permits it along with the public since everyone felt sorry for him. They wanted poor little rich prince to have a 'normal' life before the onerous 'duty' of plush palaces, banquets with haute cuisine, and a life of endless pampering and bowing sycophants and dedicated courtiers. Harry was getting the bad press to cover for William's bad behavior and it is clear that now that Harry and Meg are no longer there to serve as a whipping post, William is unable to change his behavior, he just continues on. William continues to lash out at Harry the same way an abusive spouse lashes out at his ex-spouse even after said spouse is gone. At some point, William's lashing out will result in William self destructing, or William will escalate his lashing out at his brother. He was not raised to take responsibility and it is clear that he is someone who at this point in time is unable to change even if he wanted to.
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Post by Admin on Jan 8, 2021 18:01:32 GMT
It's frightening since William is clearly on a huge downward spiral and lashing out to people who are trying to sincerely help him get well and better and healthier. I mean really, he is hurting terribly the people who love him so much and he is making them pay for the psychic trauma that is cyclic in his head and causing him to make terrible decisions since he cannot see clearly. Harry was repeatedly victimized by this and it is clear that Harry was getting more and more unstable as Kate continued to mess up his family dynamic. Then Harry was blamed for Kate's sick acts on him at the 2012 Olympics and it is clear that there was likely worse going on behind closed doors. I mean, Kate and William got kicked out of Clarence House and ended up living at KP/Anmer and I honestly believe that there won't be any kind of reconciliation. Not on William's terms and it is clear that neither William or Harry will ever be fully close ever again. Which is what toxic Council Carol wants in order to keep the house of cards she has now... |
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Post by purple1 on Jan 8, 2021 18:50:26 GMT
William spent his entire formative years just (for lack of a better way of putting it) mooching off of the good reputation of his mother and also at the same time, popular culture idealized him since he was young and everyone projected their optimism and hopes onto him and trusted him before he proved worthy. They treated him with respect before he earned it. Everything he has had has been due to someone else's work or sacrifices. He messed up his brother, lured Harry into hard drinking, and ended up letting Harry be painted as the bad guy. Meanwhile, he was treating Kate like dirt, but Kate put up with it for the ring and it validated the worst parts of his personality. He then decides to shirk work, but HM permits it along with the public since everyone felt sorry for him. They wanted poor little rich prince to have a 'normal' life before the onerous 'duty' of plush palaces, banquets with haute cuisine, and a life of endless pampering and bowing sycophants and dedicated courtiers. Harry was getting the bad press to cover for William's bad behavior and it is clear that now that Harry and Meg are no longer there to serve as a whipping post, William is unable to change his behavior, he just continues on. William continues to lash out at Harry the same way an abusive spouse lashes out at his ex-spouse even after said spouse is gone. At some point, William's lashing out will result in William self destructing, or William will escalate his lashing out at his brother. He was not raised to take responsibility and it is clear that he is someone who at this point in time is unable to change even if he wanted to. From people I know from the UK they are seeing that WK aren’t esp W worth it. Only the baby boomers adore them... |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 8, 2021 19:23:10 GMT
The Boomer generation has a lot to answer for. Honestly, the much older generation (that is now dying off) does not have any kind of attachment and those younger than boomers view them (at least I know I do) as a couple of mooches who keep causing all sorts of trouble. Much like the useless friend that just never stops screwing up or being feckless. Funny at first, but then frustrating.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 8, 2021 20:33:12 GMT
The Boomer generation has a lot to answer for. Honestly, the much older generation (that is now dying off) does not have any kind of attachment and those younger than boomers view them (at least I know I do) as a couple of mooches who keep causing all sorts of trouble. Much like the useless friend that just never stops screwing up or being feckless. Funny at first, but then frustrating. Do you think a shift is happening within the royal family? I feel like it was brewing in 2019 and then 2020 happened and now 2021 isn’t looking any brighter. Even as a future king and having the status/titles that isn’t enough that he’s not taken seriously as a statesmen. Do you think having the HRH title means much anymore? We all know Kate relishes that but she is so overshadowed and doesn’t do much with her platform. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 8, 2021 22:45:36 GMT
The Boomer generation has a lot to answer for. Honestly, the much older generation (that is now dying off) does not have any kind of attachment and those younger than boomers view them (at least I know I do) as a couple of mooches who keep causing all sorts of trouble. Much like the useless friend that just never stops screwing up or being feckless. Funny at first, but then frustrating. Do you think a shift is happening within the royal family? I feel like it was brewing in 2019 and then 2020 happened and now 2021 isn’t looking any brighter. Even as a future king and having the status/titles that isn’t enough that he’s not taken seriously as a statesmen. Do you think having the HRH title means much anymore? We all know Kate relishes that but she is so overshadowed and doesn’t do much with her platform. I guess I can at least speak for myself with what I believe I have conveyed in my posts both in the new and old RG. (other posters can speak for themselves, but I know I am not alone!) Something has been building for quite a long time - they cannot  the truth about things, etc, forever. Yes, there has been a build-up that won't be released until either they are openly exposed or fess up to what REALLY has been going on behind the scenes. The same old lies, manipulations, etc, have been going on for years - people are seriously beyond able to take the pap that is being fed to them anymore. That's my say for now - just thinking about them adds to my current headache. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 8, 2021 23:08:44 GMT
I think the whole situation is a mess because the realities of modern life and the way the BRF is structured is completely out of sync; it is clear that HM clings to Victorian/Edwardian values and routines, but that era has been dead for over a hundred years and it is clear that HM continues to ignore the out of control nature of her family. She sits back, lets her family run wild, but then something horrific happens and she literally cannot function since it is outside the scope of a well scheduled, orderly life. She was not raised where the second brother is given a practical life/purpose as were 'spares' before the Hanoverian dynasty and it is clear that HM refuses to value the sacrifices that others make. Meg did make a sacrifice by leaving the US and yet, Meg was not protected inside the royal court or the public sphere and it is horrible how HM still lets William run out of control even when his running amok has been trashing everyone's life. HM refuses to do anything since taking responsibility would mean taking sides and it is clear that HM refuses to take sides (just as she did when Camilla was trying to actively undermine Diana very step of the way) and it is clear that HM refuses to protect Harry from William's horrific behavior. I cannot imagine what Kate did with Harry. Yet HM does nothing and this is why she has no control over the situation. The entire BRF is like a horrific mess run by a teacher that refuses to control the bullies.
Harry leaving has set a precedent for other 'spares.' Instead of just sitting around being a whipping post for PR and other BS, Harry leaving has shown that he has options other than having his personal life be a horrific mess and if I were Harry, I would be out revealing all that went down, the reality of it and I would sit down a la Diana/Panorama and spill my guts to the public. I honestly think that if Harry had been groomed to be part of more than just a double princely act, that he would have turned out healthier and less of a mess. Instead, he was kind of sabotaged since William was not required to make anything of the gifts that God gave him. Harry did what Princess Margaret never really had the chance, get out from under a domineering sibling and make her own way in her own right and it is clear that Harry did what was best for him in the end and that William cannot forgive.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 9, 2021 2:46:01 GMT
I think the whole situation is a mess because the realities of modern life and the way the BRF is structured is completely out of sync; it is clear that HM clings to Victorian/Edwardian values and routines, but that era has been dead for over a hundred years and it is clear that HM continues to ignore the out of control nature of her family. She sits back, lets her family run wild, but then something horrific happens and she literally cannot function since it is outside the scope of a well scheduled, orderly life. She was not raised where the second brother is given a practical life/purpose as were 'spares' before the Hanoverian dynasty and it is clear that HM refuses to value the sacrifices that others make. Meg did make a sacrifice by leaving the US and yet, Meg was not protected inside the royal court or the public sphere and it is horrible how HM still lets William run out of control even when his running amok has been trashing everyone's life. HM refuses to do anything since taking responsibility would mean taking sides and it is clear that HM refuses to take sides (just as she did when Camilla was trying to actively undermine Diana very step of the way) and it is clear that HM refuses to protect Harry from William's horrific behavior. I cannot imagine what Kate did with Harry. Yet HM does nothing and this is why she has no control over the situation. The entire BRF is like a horrific mess run by a teacher that refuses to control the bullies.
Harry leaving has set a precedent for other 'spares.' Instead of just sitting around being a whipping post for PR and other BS, Harry leaving has shown that he has options other than having his personal life be a horrific mess and if I were Harry, I would be out revealing all that went down, the reality of it and I would sit down a la Diana/Panorama and spill my guts to the public. I honestly think that if Harry had been groomed to be part of more than just a double princely act, that he would have turned out healthier and less of a mess. Instead, he was kind of sabotaged since William was not required to make anything of the gifts that God gave him. Harry did what Princess Margaret never really had the chance, get out from under a domineering sibling and make her own way in her own right and it is clear that Harry did what was best for him in the end and that William cannot forgive.
Harry literally exposed that having an HRH title means nothing lol! |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 9, 2021 2:52:40 GMT
The Boomer generation has a lot to answer for. Honestly, the much older generation (that is now dying off) does not have any kind of attachment and those younger than boomers view them (at least I know I do) as a couple of mooches who keep causing all sorts of trouble. Much like the useless friend that just never stops screwing up or being feckless. Funny at first, but then frustrating. Do you think a shift is happening within the royal family? I feel like it was brewing in 2019 and then 2020 happened and now 2021 isn’t looking any brighter. Even as a future king and having the status/titles that isn’t enough that he’s not taken seriously as a statesmen. Do you think having the HRH title means much anymore? We all know Kate relishes that but she is so overshadowed and doesn’t do much with her platform.
The title is only as good as what the person makes of it. Harry regrettably did not get guidance and direction and being left to fend for himself was just plain wrong and it is clear that Kate herself has made nothing of it and it is clear that the less this generation does for their nation, the less the title actually means anything at all. Kate uses her title as an ATM card for access to the best places and as a shield against consequences and as a weapon. So as a result, she is resented and feared and disliked. As for her platform, it isn't a stage so much as a cheap piece of plywood that is flimsy and will at some point break.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 9, 2021 7:57:48 GMT
Do you think a shift is happening within the royal family? I feel like it was brewing in 2019 and then 2020 happened and now 2021 isn’t looking any brighter. Even as a future king and having the status/titles that isn’t enough that he’s not taken seriously as a statesmen. Do you think having the HRH title means much anymore? We all know Kate relishes that but she is so overshadowed and doesn’t do much with her platform.
The title is only as good as what the person makes of it. Harry regrettably did not get guidance and direction and being left to fend for himself was just plain wrong and it is clear that Kate herself has made nothing of it and it is clear that the less this generation does for their nation, the less the title actually means anything at all. Kate uses her title as an ATM card for access to the best places and as a shield against consequences and as a weapon. So as a result, she is resented and feared and disliked. As for her platform, it isn't a stage so much as a cheap piece of plywood that is flimsy and will at some point break.
I totally agree with you on that! I bet you Kate misses the royal tours the perks of traveling for free and getting everything done for free like travel and food. Royal tours will probably not be much in later years. I agree it’s what you make out of the title that means something. I must say before Markle, Harry did make much of his title and was very reminiscent of his mother Diana did with hers. I just think the era of royalty status and symbol have drastically gone down esp since the pandemic. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 9, 2021 15:42:17 GMT
Harry did, but was then undermined by a family situation that grinds down anyone who is more energetic and such by a system that does not support nurturing the natural talents of others in that family. If Princess Margaret had been encouraged to be more energetic and flamboyant and better educated, then assigned a role representing the crown as a kind of mini-queen at one of the Commonwealth countries, then it would have made sure that she had a good way to occupy herself and then would have been able to be healthier and more productive and maybe would have lived longer. Instead the Windsors prefer to make everyone as inferior to the monarch or Heir as possible and as a result, end up trashing the ability of each individual member to contribute to the prestige of the dynasty and also avoid getting into trouble. Harry created Invictus and now that is in danger of being canceled since after all, he has no real support from the palace or the courtiers.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 9, 2021 18:53:06 GMT
Harry did, but was then undermined by a family situation that grinds down anyone who is more energetic and such by a system that does not support nurturing the natural talents of others in that family. If Princess Margaret had been encouraged to be more energetic and flamboyant and better educated, then assigned a role representing the crown as a kind of mini-queen at one of the Commonwealth countries, then it would have made sure that she had a good way to occupy herself and then would have been able to be healthier and more productive and maybe would have lived longer. Instead the Windsors prefer to make everyone as inferior to the monarch or Heir as possible and as a result, end up trashing the ability of each individual member to contribute to the prestige of the dynasty and also avoid getting into trouble. Harry created Invictus and now that is in danger of being canceled since after all, he has no real support from the palace or the courtiers. I honestly think the royals exposed themselves that behind the castles and tittle that they are kind of useless. Both Diana and Harry burst that bubble. Yes their titles helped them to achieve what they did in the charity sector but besides that having a royal title doesn’t mean much. It was said even celebrities didn’t want to work with William a future king no doubt!! |
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Post by india on Jan 9, 2021 21:48:56 GMT
Why would anybody want to work with that lying inept brute of a lazy buffoon?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 9, 2021 22:00:54 GMT
I think William has having problems with the fact that Harry moved on and is thriving, not failing. He is moving on and living a full life, not struggling to feel alive. Harry's choice is a highly symbolic; he is choosing to break away from the stagnation he was in and he left and didn't fail at all, he's looked more alive and he is moving on, not falling apart or becoming invisible. When Edward VIII abdicated, he went on to live a jet set life and enjoyed himself fully and didn't just shrink into isolation. I think that William is the epitome of an establishment that would prefer that Harry disappear into miserable isolation and not at all have any kind of life of his own or actually ENJOY not being where he is. Harry has moved on and meanwhile, William's inability to adapt with the times shows clearly that he is still stuck in a miserable marriage, in cloudy old England, and it is clear that William is having fits knowing that his little brother is in sunnier climes and not choosing to self isolate and try to no longer exist.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 9, 2021 23:05:39 GMT
Why would anybody want to work with that lying inept brute of a lazy buffoon? I thought in society that royals are of top and high status. |
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Post by bonnie on Jan 9, 2021 23:13:50 GMT
Royals decide nothing nowadays. Sure they have some influence but not that much as they could have if they had real power. Some aristos are much more important than royal family I guess.
House of Lords is important actually...
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Post by kueifei on Jan 10, 2021 0:07:29 GMT
Why would anybody want to work with that lying inept brute of a lazy buffoon? I thought in society that royals are of top and high status.
That was before royals started giving nothing back. It used to mean something that someone was royal, but now royals hold no exceptional place in society. It is clear that royals are no longer needed to raise awareness, marry for trade advantages, or actually do much for charity. In the US, it has always been taken for granted that after making it rich, a person would start a charity and help out but it is only very recent that the rich in the UK be charity minded. Charles and Anne founded their own initiatives and it is clear that William was not inclined to do the same. So go figure, with regular people doing volunteer work all the time, it is clear that royals are not exceptional in that area. Since royals do not even get practical educations, they are not trusted with real power so the politicians do the heavy lifting in that area. As for diplomacy, diplomats do the heavy work and also do not want dolt royals wrecking their hard work. Also, just getting that role takes a long time and is just insulting that someone else would get it by accident of birth and not even have to get a genuine education. It is also clear that when it comes to marriage, they choose women most politicians wouldn't even keep as mistresses. Now there is nothing special about any of them. Not one thing.
Getting back on topic, I think William is having dry heaves now that Harry is better off and never coming back. He won't came back to being second rate and he really has no interest in playing second fiddle or being messed with by Kate. William has no right to pressure Harry to come back to live in William's demented narrative. Harry owes his brother nothing and quite frankly, it is clear that Harry is upsetting William because Harry refuses to play to the narrative that the BRF/British nation is all powerful and can dictate to the rest of the world. The BRF lives in that Ruritania fantasy, the rest of the world does not. No one views the BRF as intimidating and while HM has pull, no doubt, but it is clear that people are just irritated with their airs and graces and people are fed up with the BS that they put out, suggesting that THEY are the fount of all creation. Suggesting that Netflix is a success solely because of The Crown and it is clear that they just do not know when to quit, let the world get on with their business, and stop pushing everyone to adhere to their schedule. As if ministers are supposed to drop everything because William has a 'bright' new idea. Harry getting a fun new life in sunny California is eating away at William and making William crazy because William cannot cope in a situation where he is not the center of all positive attention.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 10, 2021 1:44:51 GMT
I thought in society that royals are of top and high status.
That was before royals started giving nothing back. It used to mean something that someone was royal, but now royals hold no exceptional place in society. It is clear that royals are no longer needed to raise awareness, marry for trade advantages, or actually do much for charity. In the US, it has always been taken for granted that after making it rich, a person would start a charity and help out but it is only very recent that the rich in the UK be charity minded. Charles and Anne founded their own initiatives and it is clear that William was not inclined to do the same. So go figure, with regular people doing volunteer work all the time, it is clear that royals are not exceptional in that area. Since royals do not even get practical educations, they are not trusted with real power so the politicians do the heavy lifting in that area. As for diplomacy, diplomats do the heavy work and also do not want dolt royals wrecking their hard work. Also, just getting that role takes a long time and is just insulting that someone else would get it by accident of birth and not even have to get a genuine education. It is also clear that when it comes to marriage, they choose women most politicians wouldn't even keep as mistresses. Now there is nothing special about any of them. Not one thing.
Getting back on topic, I think William is having dry heaves now that Harry is better off and never coming back. He won't came back to being second rate and he really has no interest in playing second fiddle or being messed with by Kate. William has no right to pressure Harry to come back to live in William's demented narrative. Harry owes his brother nothing and quite frankly, it is clear that Harry is upsetting William because Harry refuses to play to the narrative that the BRF/British nation is all powerful and can dictate to the rest of the world. The BRF lives in that Ruritania fantasy, the rest of the world does not. No one views the BRF as intimidating and while HM has pull, no doubt, but it is clear that people are just irritated with their airs and graces and people are fed up with the BS that they put out, suggesting that THEY are the fount of all creation. Suggesting that Netflix is a success solely because of The Crown and it is clear that they just do not know when to quit, let the world get on with their business, and stop pushing everyone to adhere to their schedule. As if ministers are supposed to drop everything because William has a 'bright' new idea. Harry getting a fun new life in sunny California is eating away at William and making William crazy because William cannot cope in a situation where he is not the center of all positive attention.
Thank you so much for explaining to me that being a royal does not mean anything anymore. The fact that Angelina Jolie a “celeb” can make a bigger impact than them says something. Lol makes you wonder why Kate wanted the bag so much. Also I agree William NEEDS Harry but Harry does need William which MUst frustrate him. |
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Post by india on Jan 10, 2021 2:12:56 GMT
Kate wanted it because her low rent mother wanted the power, money and fame.
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tale BS.
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