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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 17:09:19 GMT
Without a doubt, Fat Wrinkled Greedy Fergie sold the York tiara for the jack. This grosses me out. I wonder if anyone owns it or it's been totally scrapped for parts. I'm guessing the later as it hasn't been seen since 2001.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 6, 2020 18:46:57 GMT
I find it intriguing that Fergie was never granted a tiara from the palace, but HM instead bought a fairly generically designed tiara from Gerrards and didn't really set the Duchess up with an additional title that included an income producing estate that would provide for a wardrobe and other stuff. I never understood that. I mean, the Windsors love to play at being poor and really love to pretend to be strapped, but I wonder how different it would have been if she had been given better leeway financially to get a better wardrobe and almost on par with Diana. It might have made things different and as for the settlement, I also believe that she was cheated. She was left with nearly NOTHING and then derided for making a living that got her out of debt and out of trouble with creditors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:27:36 GMT
I find it intriguing that Fergie was never granted a tiara from the palace, but HM instead bought a fairly generically designed tiara from Gerrards and didn't really set the Duchess up with an additional title that included an income producing estate that would provide for a wardrobe and other stuff. I never understood that. I mean, the Windsors love to play at being poor and really love to pretend to be strapped, but I wonder how different it would have been if she had been given better leeway financially to get a better wardrobe and almost on par with Diana. It might have made things different and as for the settlement, I also believe that she was cheated. She was left with nearly NOTHING and then derided for making a living that got her out of debt and out of trouble with creditors. I do think QEII has been smart with jewelry and the way she loans it. I can't think of a piece that belong to her/the crown that has left the family on her watch. I also think she sends messages with jewelry. Not only who gets what, but who has access. Probably worse if Sarah had access to any thing. Sarah has a knack for spending money and seeking attention. Her daughters were taken care of and she always mooched off of someone. Sarah, and Andrew, knew how to make money. That's why Andrew isn't a working royal any more.
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Post by romilly on Dec 10, 2020 10:18:28 GMT
Did someone pay off their debt on the Swiss Ski chalet? I believe there was some sort of court case regarding not paying but probably QE made one of her special ‘phone calls and cleared it.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 30, 2020 22:49:02 GMT
I find it intriguing that Fergie was never granted a tiara from the palace, but HM instead bought a fairly generically designed tiara from Gerrards and didn't really set the Duchess up with an additional title that included an income producing estate that would provide for a wardrobe and other stuff. I never understood that. I mean, the Windsors love to play at being poor and really love to pretend to be strapped, but I wonder how different it would have been if she had been given better leeway financially to get a better wardrobe and almost on par with Diana. It might have made things different and as for the settlement, I also believe that she was cheated. She was left with nearly NOTHING and then derided for making a living that got her out of debt and out of trouble with creditors. I do think QEII has been smart with jewelry and the way she loans it. I can't think of a piece that belong to her/the crown that has left the family on her watch. I also think she sends messages with jewelry. Not only who gets what, but who has access. Probably worse if Sarah had access to any thing. Sarah has a knack for spending money and seeking attention. Her daughters were taken care of and she always mooched off of someone. Sarah, and Andrew, knew how to make money. That's why Andrew isn't a working royal any more.
I honestly believe that Sarah's past as a kept girlfriend might have influenced HM's decision. Now that I think of it, HM and the courtiers might have realized that Fergie was someone who had never learned or mastered budgeting and was likely than not a kept mistress since men do not give without expecting anything in return. I also think that Fergie's unstable life (quitting work almost all the time to travel and party) is something that was taken into consideration.
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Post by india on Dec 31, 2020 16:12:48 GMT
Fergie is an irresponsible, unstable wild card.
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Post by Admin on Dec 31, 2020 16:52:04 GMT
Fergie is an irresponsible, unstable wild card. She never got any grounding or stability from Day 1. I find her a rather sad individual - never being able to hold onto anything substantial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 18:08:54 GMT
Fergie is an irresponsible, unstable wild card. She never got any grounding or stability from Day 1. I find her a rather sad individual - never being able to hold onto anything substantial. She's always been able to hold onto Andrew. I think if Phillip was dead, they may have remarried or possibly never divorced. In the beginning QEII was very fond of her.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 31, 2020 20:52:58 GMT
HM is a doormat and Fergie takes advantage of that. She also is worse than I used to think. She is not someone who is good, or silly, or harmless. She is a woman who has only coarsened over time and has bad intentions. She also can't let the Diana rivalry end and she has had an unhealthy fixation on Diana and her (Diana's) advantages. Diana did have more advantages, but Diana did her duty, paid her dues in ways that Fergie never did (or was expected to). If Fergie had just stuck to something and not been a kept woman (sugar baby), she might have had a better, healthier mindset and more respect from the establishment. She might have even held onto her marriage after Diana left. It's not like Fergie was the one saddled with an adulterous husband.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 22:54:25 GMT
HM is a doormat and Fergie takes advantage of that. She also is worse than I used to think. She is not someone who is good, or silly, or harmless. She is a woman who has only coarsened over time and has bad intentions. She also can't let the Diana rivalry end and she has had an unhealthy fixation on Diana and her (Diana's) advantages. Diana did have more advantages, but Diana did her duty, paid her dues in ways that Fergie never did (or was expected to). If Fergie had just stuck to something and not been a kept woman (sugar baby), she might have had a better, healthier mindset and more respect from the establishment. She might have even held onto her marriage after Diana left. It's not like Fergie was the one saddled with an adulterous husband. As much as I love Diana (and I still do), she lost. She even lost to her knockoff (Sophie). Fergie always makes me think a Tampon Camilla marriage wouldn't have been as great as they like to pretend to would have in the 70s. I don't know what to make of Fergie. I think in many ways she's the goose that laid the golden eggs (the York princess). In that way, she always has a safety net. Honestly, I think being the Duchess of York is a curse in many ways.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 1, 2021 2:13:19 GMT
HM is a doormat and Fergie takes advantage of that. She also is worse than I used to think. She is not someone who is good, or silly, or harmless. She is a woman who has only coarsened over time and has bad intentions. She also can't let the Diana rivalry end and she has had an unhealthy fixation on Diana and her (Diana's) advantages. Diana did have more advantages, but Diana did her duty, paid her dues in ways that Fergie never did (or was expected to). If Fergie had just stuck to something and not been a kept woman (sugar baby), she might have had a better, healthier mindset and more respect from the establishment. She might have even held onto her marriage after Diana left. It's not like Fergie was the one saddled with an adulterous husband. As much as I love Diana (and I still do), she lost. She even lost to her knockoff (Sophie). Fergie always makes me think a Tampon Camilla marriage wouldn't have been as great as they like to pretend to would have in the 70s. I don't know what to make of Fergie. I think in many ways she's the goose that laid the golden eggs (the York princess). In that way, she always has a safety net. Honestly, I think being the Duchess of York is a curse in many ways.
Fergie was a kept woman by a lot of men and dependent on them. She was not independent minded enough to handle being on her own for long periods of time and it is clear that Fergie, if not for her connections, would be a vulgar lowlife with no real prospects. It's also to do with training. She was not raised (like much of her ilk) to be businesslike or entrepreneurial and she was making the bad choice to think that Andrew would be 'there' for her and that it was his obligation to be perpetually energetic. Then there was the scandal where she messed with her 'financial advisor) and had her daughter NAKED with her lover's arms around her (Beatrice). Any man would have done worse than demand a full divorce. I mean really, pulling htat in front of her KIDS and having her NAKED DAUGHTER around her LOVER!? That was SO out of line and there is NOT justification.
As for Diana losing out, she would be alive if she hadn't been trying to overthrow Charles. She would still be married, protected, and ALIVE. Fergie might get Andrew back via marriage, but she will gain nothing and go down with Andrew. Fergie needs to stop trying to make herself 'happen' and needs to face hard facts that her husband is now openly known to be a child rapist and she really has no care except that he is rich, titled, and can afford to 'keep' her. I have no idea why she bothers wanting to get married since she's been his mistress for so long and has it made as it is. If she remarries him and becomes HRH Duchess of York, she will end up being married to a man who is wanted for questioning and vilified.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 2:31:48 GMT
As much as I love Diana (and I still do), she lost. She even lost to her knockoff (Sophie). Fergie always makes me think a Tampon Camilla marriage wouldn't have been as great as they like to pretend to would have in the 70s. I don't know what to make of Fergie. I think in many ways she's the goose that laid the golden eggs (the York princess). In that way, she always has a safety net. Honestly, I think being the Duchess of York is a curse in many ways.
Fergie was a kept woman by a lot of men and dependent on them. She was not independent minded enough to handle being on her own for long periods of time and it is clear that Fergie, if not for her connections, would be a vulgar lowlife with no real prospects. It's also to do with training. She was not raised (like much of her ilk) to be businesslike or entrepreneurial and she was making the bad choice to think that Andrew would be 'there' for her and that it was his obligation to be perpetually energetic. Then there was the scandal where she messed with her 'financial advisor) and had her daughter NAKED with her lover's arms around her (Beatrice). Any man would have done worse than demand a full divorce. I mean really, pulling htat in front of her KIDS and having her NAKED DAUGHTER around her LOVER!? That was SO out of line and there is NOT justification.
As for Diana losing out, she would be alive if she hadn't been trying to overthrow Charles. She would still be married, protected, and ALIVE. Fergie might get Andrew back via marriage, but she will gain nothing and go down with Andrew. Fergie needs to stop trying to make herself 'happen' and needs to face hard facts that her husband is now openly known to be a child rapist and she really has no care except that he is rich, titled, and can afford to 'keep' her. I have no idea why she bothers wanting to get married since she's been his mistress for so long and has it made as it is. If she remarries him and becomes HRH Duchess of York, she will end up being married to a man who is wanted for questioning and vilified.
The more I think about it, I don't see Diana as queen consort. She was not the one who wanted it over. She would have stayed with him and said so after the divorce. If she had played nice, after being treated like dirt, Tampon would have found a way to divorce her after granny dropped dead. As much as his parents hated Camilla, granny really seemed to be the one keeping that marriage at bay. IMO, Andrew and Fergie spend more time together than Tampon and Camilla. I think part of the reason they would marry is to keep Fergie out of court. Can't testify in court as a spouse.
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Post by Admin on Jan 1, 2021 2:35:39 GMT
As much as I love Diana (and I still do), she lost. She even lost to her knockoff (Sophie). Fergie always makes me think a Tampon Camilla marriage wouldn't have been as great as they like to pretend to would have in the 70s. I don't know what to make of Fergie. I think in many ways she's the goose that laid the golden eggs (the York princess). In that way, she always has a safety net. Honestly, I think being the Duchess of York is a curse in many ways. Fergie was a kept woman by a lot of men and dependent on them. She was not independent minded enough to handle being on her own for long periods of time and it is clear that Fergie, if not for her connections, would be a vulgar lowlife with no real prospects. It's also to do with training. She was not raised (like much of her ilk) to be businesslike or entrepreneurial and she was making the bad choice to think that Andrew would be 'there' for her and that it was his obligation to be perpetually energetic. Then there was the scandal where she messed with her 'financial advisor) and had her daughter NAKED with her lover's arms around her (Beatrice). Any man would have done worse than demand a full divorce. I mean really, pulling htat in front of her KIDS and having her NAKED DAUGHTER around her LOVER!? That was SO out of line and there is NOT justification.
As for Diana losing out, she would be alive if she hadn't been trying to overthrow Charles. She would still be married, protected, and ALIVE. Fergie might get Andrew back via marriage, but she will gain nothing and go down with Andrew. Fergie needs to stop trying to make herself 'happen' and needs to face hard facts that her husband is now openly known to be a child rapist and she really has no care except that he is rich, titled, and can afford to 'keep' her. I have no idea why she bothers wanting to get married since she's been his mistress for so long and has it made as it is. If she remarries him and becomes HRH Duchess of York, she will end up being married to a man who is wanted for questioning and vilified.
Gives me a idea for a new thread: royal curses. Real or not? Thanks for that, ptampon! I think with all the potential one has as a human being, it's beyond sad and pathetic the choices very privileged people make. And righteous anger at all those squandered chances and opportunities. Tossing away everything with both hands! They get so much yet seem to toss it away on very, very bad choices. Height of selfishness. If somebody poor or struggling made these kinds of choices, they would be villified and probably have their children taken away from them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 2:42:35 GMT
Fergie was a kept woman by a lot of men and dependent on them. She was not independent minded enough to handle being on her own for long periods of time and it is clear that Fergie, if not for her connections, would be a vulgar lowlife with no real prospects. It's also to do with training. She was not raised (like much of her ilk) to be businesslike or entrepreneurial and she was making the bad choice to think that Andrew would be 'there' for her and that it was his obligation to be perpetually energetic. Then there was the scandal where she messed with her 'financial advisor) and had her daughter NAKED with her lover's arms around her (Beatrice). Any man would have done worse than demand a full divorce. I mean really, pulling htat in front of her KIDS and having her NAKED DAUGHTER around her LOVER!? That was SO out of line and there is NOT justification.
As for Diana losing out, she would be alive if she hadn't been trying to overthrow Charles. She would still be married, protected, and ALIVE. Fergie might get Andrew back via marriage, but she will gain nothing and go down with Andrew. Fergie needs to stop trying to make herself 'happen' and needs to face hard facts that her husband is now openly known to be a child rapist and she really has no care except that he is rich, titled, and can afford to 'keep' her. I have no idea why she bothers wanting to get married since she's been his mistress for so long and has it made as it is. If she remarries him and becomes HRH Duchess of York, she will end up being married to a man who is wanted for questioning and vilified.
Gives me a idea for a new thread: royal curses. Real or not? Thanks for that, ptampon! I think with all the potential one has as a human being, it's beyond sad and pathetic the choices very privileged people make. And righteous anger at all those squandered chances and opportunities. Tossing away everything with both hands! They get so much yet seem to toss it away on very, very bad choices. Height of selfishness. If somebody poor or struggling made these kinds of choices, they would be villified and probably have their children taken away from them. Yay! DOY seems like a title that is not only cursed, but always goes extinct. True, but I think imo goes back to the double standard. We as women are always accountable. I can't complain about the spending. If an assemble is not up to par or reworn, there's also flack.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 1, 2021 2:54:04 GMT
There's just something rotten about her, a sick, toxic core of anger and resentment and it is clear that Fergie is determinedly trying to get that ring/title back, but I truly think that she is going to self destruct and take others with her. Diana was mistreated, but Fergie is a vortex of bad choices. She's still marketing herself and it is clear that she is troubled and TROUBLE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 3:04:19 GMT
There's just something rotten about her, a sick, toxic core of anger and resentment and it is clear that Fergie is determinedly trying to get that ring/title back, but I truly think that she is going to self destruct and take others with her. Diana was mistreated, but Fergie is a vortex of bad choices. She's still marketing herself and it is clear that she is troubled and TROUBLE. Did you ever see that terrible series she did for/with Oprah?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 1, 2021 3:14:59 GMT
No, but I heard she came across as utterly deranged. She's still hustling and still screwing up. It makes me wonder just what it is that is so wrong with her. She married a royal prince very close to the throne and could have had it made for life, but blew that to pieces through promiscuity and irresponsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 3:20:58 GMT
No, but I heard she came across as utterly deranged. She's still hustling and still screwing up. It makes me wonder just what it is that is so wrong with her. She married a royal prince very close to the throne and could have had it made for life, but blew that to pieces through promiscuity and irresponsibility. She did! Oprah is good for that kind of drivel. That's why I'm side eyeing the Markle/Ragland friendship with her.
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Post by Admin on Jan 1, 2021 3:47:34 GMT
youtu.be/87zagGHGSFsSarah Ferguson On Being A Royal: "It's Not A Fairytale" | The Oprah Winfrey Show | OWN 1,183,263 views•5 Mar 2020
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Post by Admin on Jan 1, 2021 3:57:44 GMT
No, but I heard she came across as utterly deranged. She's still hustling and still screwing up. It makes me wonder just what it is that is so wrong with her. She married a royal prince very close to the throne and could have had it made for life, but blew that to pieces through promiscuity and irresponsibility. She did! Oprah is good for that kind of drivel. That's why I'm side eyeing the Markle/Ragland friendship with her. Oprah is drivel - she's gone the way of Geraldo or the Dodo Bird in terms of media relevance. Bloated though with the sense of her own importance. She and Gayle just need to sail off into the sunset on a barge big enough to contain them and their egos. Gosh, I hate them.
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