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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2022 2:08:18 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11213193/The-Royals-Harry-seize-opportunity-reconciliation-brother-father-given.htmlWill Prince Harry seize the opportunity for reconciliation his brother and father have given? If there was a chance for this most tragic of rifts in the family to be healed, this was surely it, writes RICHARD KAY
William and Harry walked side-by-side behind their grandmother's coffin on Wednesday, like 25 years ago
A quarter of a century before they were brothers united in grief at the sudden death of their mother
Now, their mutual sorrow at the passing of the Queen brings them together amid their strained relationship
The brothers walked side-by-side for procession from Buckingham Palace while wives travelled in cars
Once inside Westminster Hall, couples stood together in show of togetherness after Saturday's walkabout
Her Majesty carried down The Mall on a gun carriage - a tradition dating back to the death of Queen Victoria
Full coverage: Click here to see all our coverage of the Queen’s passing
By RICHARD KAY FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 17:47 EDT, 14 September 2022 | UPDATED: 18:30 EDT, 14 September 2022Just as it had 25 years and eight days ago, the September sun shone down on William and Harry as they walked side by side behind their grandmother’s coffin. But everything else was different.
A quarter of a century before they were brothers united in grief at the sudden death of their mother and the fraternal bonds of shared loss seemed unbreakable.
Yesterday only their mutual sorrow at the passing of the Queen remained. Rarely has the relationship between princes once so close looked so strained, nor the gulf between them so wide. 
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2022 2:22:50 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11213193/The-Royals-Harry-seize-opportunity-reconciliation-brother-father-given.html Some comments: he comments below have been moderated in advance. FedUpInSoCal, SoCal, United States, 1 hour ago I don't think the relationship can or will be healed as long as he is married to MM. ReplyNew Comment 34722Click to rate LKF, Great Kent, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago This is the wrong time for this. Please at least show some respect and decency. ReplyNew Comment 32353Click to rate Alexia1980, Surrey, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago He needs to cancel this book and make a public apology for the hurt and upset caused. You can see on Harry's face that he's now regretting the whole charade. Imagine doing that to your own family. ReplyNew Comment 35551Click to rate sahali, Victoria, Canada, 2 hours ago Me-me-me will NEVER allow that to happen. EVER. And even at this very solemn occasion, she still has to cling on for dear life. How crass. ReplyNew Comment 27566Click to rate Joji, Bedford Falls, United States, 2 hours ago I know both couples value mental health. Why don't they get a therapist to help them figure things out? It would set a terrific example to everyone. ReplyNew Comment 127210Click to rate needthefactsplease, Somewhere, United States, 2 hours ago Megan will never keep her mouth shut so there is zero chance of reconciliation. ReplyNew Comment 18490Click to rate Sunset lady, Manchester, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago Sadly I don't think it is Harry's decision. ReplyNew Comment 16542Click to rate Marianne., Hitchin, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago Sadly, the public have seen Harry for what he really is, and not as they thought he was. Immature and selfish. ReplyNew Comment 44739Click to rate Tanya22, York, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago I was there at the top of The Mall near Buckingham Palace, right at the front. I have so much pride for this country, as much as it was very sad, to see all the pomp & pageantry for myself was something I will never forget. We had a really good view of King Charles & Prince William, they both looked so devastated, they all did. The crowds, police, many different service men and women everyone were fantastic. ReplyNew Comment 19401Click to rate needthefactsplease, Somewhere, United States, 2 hours ago Its not going to happen because they wont get everything they want. Titles, money and to do/say whatever they want. Unfortunately I have a feeling they will be awful until fully cutoff. ReplyNew Comment 14462Click to rate Mike Rigby, blackburn, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago Markle has betrayed the trust the Royals placed in her: that will NEVER be forgiven ReplyNew Comment 23534Click to rate Eastyorkshire, Hull, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago He needs to do the right thing and remove himself from the hand grabbing money oriented actress ReplyNew Comment 21507Click to rate AuroraAustralis, of light, Antarctica, 2 hours ago I find that constant hand holding in that space particularly, is inappropriate. No one else is walking around holding hands, they are all dignified and solemn as can be expected. It is a serious event not a picnic. ReplyNew Comment 16386Click to rate SCbabe, SC, United States, 2 hours ago What's the point in reconciling if a few weeks later his memoir will be released? He should cancel the publication, return the money and then apologize to his family. His wife should also apologize and they should retract their disparaging statements. Then there might be a reconciliation. ReplyNew Comment 8318Click to rate Michigander.Detroit, Pleasant View, United States, 2 hours ago God Bless the family. Such hard times. The true Royals stand with the people. Megan is from a far and has not and does not understand the values of the Royals. God save the Queen. ReplyNew Comment 17420Click to rate Tippytoegirl, Baltimore, United States, 2 hours ago Sentimentality aside, the Monarchy will win and the Sussex's, mired in petty resentments and imagined slights, will become less relevant every year. ReplyNew Comment 5305Click to rate CentristUK, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago Meghan made the last few years of The Queen's life utterly stressful. She has no right to be there. ReplyNew Comment 9450Click to rate Boudicca, Southampton, 2 hours ago I just wish they would go home. ReplyNew Comment 6263Click to rate Cymro, Wales, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago William and Kate have such beautiful class. ReplyNew Comment 15473Click to rate SeptemberMorn19, Kent, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago In two weeks she will be back to her pod cast telling all she has seen and heard and Harry will have his tell all book out in November ReplyNew Comment 9476Click to rate Betterlate, Palmerston North, New Zealand, 2 hours ago I think that it was very disrespectful of Harry and Meghan to hold hands. They (especially he) knows that they should not have done that. No one else needed to and they are all grieving. ReplyNew Comment 7227Click to rate ScurrilousRumours, London, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago Better than Coronation Street.
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Post by kueifei on Sept 18, 2022 16:34:49 GMT
He won't abandon his wife; there is no way he would do that and reconciliation will mean giving up his wife/children to be a doormat for William and stooge for Kate. I find it galling that Harry is supposed to make sacrifices like family to make WK happy and hold that mess together with no thought for himself. Second, if Kate hadn't pushed her way in, none of this would have happened. He would have married someone who was one of his own kind and if Kate were kept in her real place, two steps behind and not meddling in the lives of others, Harry wouldn't have felt trapped, been reacting the way he has, and also most importantly, not bolting.
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2022 17:22:32 GMT
He won't abandon his wife; there is no way he would do that and reconciliation will mean giving up his wife/children to be a doormat for William and stooge for Kate. I find it galling that Harry is supposed to make sacrifices like family to make WK happy and hold that mess together with no thought for himself. Second, if Kate hadn't pushed her way in, none of this would have happened. He would have married someone who was one of his own kind and if Kate were kept in her real place, two steps behind and not meddling in the lives of others, Harry wouldn't have felt trapped, been reacting the way he has, and also most importantly, not bolting. Kate and William were the ones who are causing a real global-level mess now, but we did forsee all this happening. It's epic the damage they caused and how everybody else is supposed to give up their lives in order to cater to the mess. Unbelievable the harm that liars, bullies and narcissists can cause. |
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Post by kueifei on Sept 27, 2022 23:10:42 GMT
He won't abandon his wife; there is no way he would do that and reconciliation will mean giving up his wife/children to be a doormat for William and stooge for Kate. I find it galling that Harry is supposed to make sacrifices like family to make WK happy and hold that mess together with no thought for himself. Second, if Kate hadn't pushed her way in, none of this would have happened. He would have married someone who was one of his own kind and if Kate were kept in her real place, two steps behind and not meddling in the lives of others, Harry wouldn't have felt trapped, been reacting the way he has, and also most importantly, not bolting. Kate and William were the ones who are causing a real global-level mess now, but we did forsee all this happening. It's epic the damage they caused and how everybody else is supposed to give up their lives in order to cater to the mess. Unbelievable the harm that liars, bullies and narcissists can cause. Amazing how the bourgeois nobodies come in and start up trouble. Until Kate came in Harry was stabilizing and William was decidedly distracted, but he still had chances to straighten out. Kate, like a lot of her ilk, viewed marrying William as a grand validation of herself as a person and how she 'made it' out of 'having' to work for a living. How Kate 'triumphed' over 'adversity' of facing a life of making a living, how she 'triumphed' over the 'bad' aristocrats or however the press narrative was. It's not like she married William after a natural coming together and there is a loving, playful union of two constructive and hardworking personalities. This is a woman who was seeking a way out of making a living and William was seeking a way out of growing up into an amazing life. All he had to to was go to professionals who would help him cope and the courtiers who were throwing themselves at his feet to help him move along. William sought an escape from maturity and now look at the mess he either has to clean up or his entire way of life will dissolve. |
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Post by Admin on Nov 21, 2022 13:35:32 GMT
Aside: Will place this here and in the Diana thread. So much dysfunction, so little time.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2022 2:28:55 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 5, 2022 2:49:20 GMT
He is too young to look this old. He looks borderline elderly.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2022 3:04:20 GMT
He is too young to look this old. He looks borderline elderly.
Not a happy camper, but he only has himself to blame. |
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Post by kueifei on Dec 5, 2022 3:59:24 GMT
He is too young to look this old. He looks borderline elderly.
Not a happy camper, but he only has himself to blame.
This is what he's come to. He had it all and threw it all away. He looks overburdened, that he would rather be out and about rather than be a tied down suburban dad.
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2023 13:19:28 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-william-ordered-plane-leave-28878770#source=pushPrince William 'ordered plane to leave without Harry' as they rushed to see dying Queen
According to an updated book about Meghan Markle by Tom Bower, Prince William ordered an RAF jet to leave London bound for Scotland on the day the Queen died - leaving Prince Harry to make his own way to Balmor@l to see his ailing grandmotherClick for Sound Prince Harry and William: Expert on 'altercation' detailed in Spare NEWS POLITICS FOOTBALL CELEBS TV MONEY ROYALS ByJennifer NewtonRoyal Features Writer 08:20, 5 Jan 2023UPDATED10:51, 5 Jan 2023 | 64 | BOOKMARK Prince William ordered an RAF plane to leave without Prince Harry as he and other royals rushed to be at the Queen's bedside on the day she passed away. After hearing the Monarch's health was fading, senior members of the royal family took an RAF jet from London to Scotland in a race to be with her at her Balmor@l home. 
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Post by kueifei on Jan 5, 2023 14:12:25 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-william-ordered-plane-leave-28878770#source=pushPrince William 'ordered plane to leave without Harry' as they rushed to see dying Queen
According to an updated book about Meghan Markle by Tom Bower, Prince William ordered an RAF jet to leave London bound for Scotland on the day the Queen died - leaving Prince Harry to make his own way to Balmor@l to see his ailing grandmotherClick for Sound Prince Harry and William: Expert on 'altercation' detailed in Spare NEWS POLITICS FOOTBALL CELEBS TV MONEY ROYALS ByJennifer NewtonRoyal Features Writer 08:20, 5 Jan 2023UPDATED10:51, 5 Jan 2023 | 64 | BOOKMARK Prince William ordered an RAF plane to leave without Prince Harry as he and other royals rushed to be at the Queen's bedside on the day she passed away. After hearing the Monarch's health was fading, senior members of the royal family took an RAF jet from London to Scotland in a race to be with her at her Balmor@l home.
This is unforgivable; it is clear that William is completely feral and it wasn't his right to issue orders. William will be King, but Harry does in fact stand to inherit the title of Duke of York when the time does in fact come for Harry to become brother of the Sovereign. William is so far out of line and I am disgusted that William keeps doing this to his brother and I am disgusted that William gets away with it. The death of their grandmother and this is what William does. First having the police notify Harry about the death of Philip and now the death of QE and William pulls the plane leaving Harry to fend for himself.
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2023 14:17:53 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-william-ordered-plane-leave-28878770#source=pushPrince William 'ordered plane to leave without Harry' as they rushed to see dying Queen
According to an updated book about Meghan Markle by Tom Bower, Prince William ordered an RAF jet to leave London bound for Scotland on the day the Queen died - leaving Prince Harry to make his own way to Balmor@l to see his ailing grandmotherClick for Sound Prince Harry and William: Expert on 'altercation' detailed in Spare NEWS POLITICS FOOTBALL CELEBS TV MONEY ROYALS ByJennifer NewtonRoyal Features Writer 08:20, 5 Jan 2023UPDATED10:51, 5 Jan 2023 | 64 | BOOKMARK Prince William ordered an RAF plane to leave without Prince Harry as he and other royals rushed to be at the Queen's bedside on the day she passed away. After hearing the Monarch's health was fading, senior members of the royal family took an RAF jet from London to Scotland in a race to be with her at her Balmor@l home. This is unforgivable; it is clear that William is completely feral and it wasn't his right to issue orders. William will be King, but Harry does in fact stand to inherit the title of Duke of York when the time does in fact come for Harry to become brother of the Sovereign. William is so far out of line and I am disgusted that William keeps doing this to his brother and I am disgusted that William gets away with it. The death of their grandmother and this is what William does. First having the police notify Harry about the death of Philip and now the death of QE and William pulls the plane leaving Harry to fend for himself.
We called it years back (William's character and ways), but did they listen to us? Yes, this is quite repugnant and low. Quite unforgivable. |
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Post by sophia on Jan 5, 2023 15:25:52 GMT
William had every right to order the plane to take off. There is no way the BRF should negotiate with Harry about whether he should be allowed to bring his vile wife with him to Balmor@l so she could growl over the dead Queen. If Harry hadn’t tied himself so closely to Meghan he could have been on the same plan, as it is excluding him was fair.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 5, 2023 16:24:54 GMT
William had every right to order the plane to take off. There is no way the BRF should negotiate with Harry about whether he should be allowed to bring his vile wife with him to Balmor@l so she could growl over the dead Queen. If Harry hadn’t tied himself so closely to Meghan he could have been on the same plan, as it is excluding him was fair.
He left his brother stranded; these people are family. Harry should not have been treated like this and as for being tied closely, at least he is loyal and protective to his wife as he should be.
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Post by sophia on Jan 5, 2023 16:55:31 GMT
No he shouldn’t. Harry is an active traitor, and should be treated as such. Might I remind you that at the time of the Queen’s death, Harry had already participated in the Netflix reality show, and had had his autobiography written for him.
Harry is self admitted drug addict and an alcoholic, Meghan’s behaviour towards him and her other minions, is that of a cult leader, and he worships her as such. (Proof is that Harry has now been reduced to the pitiful status of Thomas Markle.) They do not have a healthy relationship, and it is obscene in the extreme that Meghan should even place her ugly feet inside a royal palace.
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2023 17:11:52 GMT
No he shouldn’t. Harry is an active traitor, and should be treated as such. Might I remind you that at the time of the Queen’s death, Harry had already participated in the Netflix reality show, and had had his autobiography written for him. Harry is self admitted drug addict and an alcoholic, Meghan’s behaviour towards him and her other minions, is that of a cult leader, and he worships her as such. (Proof is that Harry has now been reduced to the pitiful status of Thomas Markle.) They do not have a healthy relationship, and it is obscene in the extreme that Meghan should even place her ugly feet inside a royal palace. If Harry is a traitor, he learned from the best one out there: William. William is a vile bully using even his dying grandmother to abuse his family. He is in thrall to a sociopathic mother in law. Meghan may not be the best choice out there but Kate is something else, too. William's rage is perhaps covering up his own gross misdeeds. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 5, 2023 17:27:44 GMT
No he shouldn’t. Harry is an active traitor, and should be treated as such. Might I remind you that at the time of the Queen’s death, Harry had already participated in the Netflix reality show, and had had his autobiography written for him. Harry is self admitted drug addict and an alcoholic, Meghan’s behaviour towards him and her other minions, is that of a cult leader, and he worships her as such. (Proof is that Harry has now been reduced to the pitiful status of Thomas Markle.) They do not have a healthy relationship, and it is obscene in the extreme that Meghan should even place her ugly feet inside a royal palace.
Up until Kate married in, Harry and William were becoming a stable double act and Harry was toning down his partying. Harry was settling into his life as was William; after the wedding Kate started becoming publicly domineering and Harry likely reacted by relaunching into the party scene and struggling. Kate didn't just walk two steps behind, she walked next to William and relegated Harry to being a third wheel. She relegated Harry to being the follower, not Kate who had a DUTY to walk two steps behind. It has nothing to do with modernism, but has everything to do with insolence. Second, a while, it was obvious that Harry was having an unusually hard time fitting in with his girlfriends and finding a wife. It could not have been media coverage, but something was going on that was driving away Cressida and Chelsy. Harry should have been beating women off with a bat and it isn't just media coverage that is hard to handle. Something was going on and second, most importantly, Harry was continuing to be unstable and unable to get a handle on his own situation. We did hear stuff about how Kate was crossing lines, but she was like a dog in heat in 2012 and for some pathetic reason, no one got her in line. Kate is broken and breaks things rather tan leaving well enough alone.
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Post by sanka on Jan 6, 2023 1:45:27 GMT
I actually don't believe the story about William making the decision for the plane to take off without Harry. Andrew and Edward were also on that plane and most likely wanting to get to see their mother before she passed. Clearly, they would have not been wanting any time wasted on someone else (family or not). They would have had greater influence than William in the situation even if William is higher up in the line of succession. They would have wanted to be with their mother.
MM would have been in Harry's ear about getting to go up to Balmor@l (another Netflix opportunity as can be seen on the filming from day one and not just after Megxit). The fact that Harry just didn't make his own decision and go when his brother and Uncles were going is on Harry only. He could have said to MM that he needed to go and she could come up later but instead was being influenced by MM and her filming or being able to tell the world that she was with the Queen when she passed.
No other grandchildren were being summoned to Balmor@l or were on the plane with the Andrew, Edward, Sophie and William so there seems to be some gaps in the story (version of events).
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Post by kueifei on Jan 6, 2023 11:43:39 GMT
Either way, I am sick of hearing about William being a victim along with Kate. To me, the common denominator is Kate; each time she goes anywhere, there is drama and trouble. The minute Meg was engaged, it is known that Kate kept claiming to be some kind of victim. That stupid story about Kate crying has been told and retold and notice how Kate is never at fault, something that is impossible. We are all somewhat at fault for drama issues. Then there was a story about how Charlotte's life would be at risk if she wore tights and how Charlotte ran the risk of being overheated. If Kate were truly decent ,she would have exercised influence to put a stop to the horrible headlines. Then Kate started running around flaunting her 'very British femininity' and how she was all about God/duty/country/family and the press WOULD NOT let up on Meg. Now Kate is putting up a pious mother of the nation act and in my view this is another facet of her little campaign. She also has a bad history of having problems coexisting with other women starting likely in Downe House. Meg, for all her nuttery, at least wanted to go out and about and moving to a new nation, marrying, and then having a kid in quick succession would throw anyone and cause them to become reactive.
This situation is not normal. Kate as far as I have deduced is a continuing factor in a lot of high conflict issues in that family. Before the engagement, the BRF seemed to be stabilizing completely and finally really coming together. Then Kate waltzes in and the BRF seemed to regress and become far more drama loaded. Then she DESTROYED the Diamond Jubilee with her bad behavior and that nude scandal and then proceeded to blame the press and then there has been an ENDLESS amount of lawsuits that have clogged the courts to the point where the BRF lost free legal services because the law firm that provided the free services was badly overworked. After the marriage William has been lawsuit happy to the point where his suing the press is not taken seriously and in my view Kate keeps him wound up. I do not think William is at a point where he is willing to make a complete break, but he is wrecking his family and Harry leaving can't be repaired. Kate herself is clearly unstable and has SERIOUS issues that are untreated and unaddressed.
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tale BS.
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