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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2022 1:30:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 3:23:53 GMT
^ I remember that forum & there The Chocolate Princess, Kuei Fei  & many others that aren't around anymore. Here's The Chocolate Princess video, many of the old forum members did videos like this to Kate & her family in those William "dating" years & the forum members were harassed on YT by Kate & the Middleton sugars. |
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Post by romilly on Jul 31, 2022 18:06:57 GMT
Did anyone ever find out what happened to the Chocolate Princess,
Miss 24 from Enclave or if the Midds did shut down the old RG?
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2022 18:25:48 GMT
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2022 19:12:44 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 16, 2022 6:50:00 GMT
One thing I feel sorry for Kate about, is how she likely disliked all the partying after a while. I think Kate would have LOVED to go on picnics on the estate, go to receptions and banquets and dances dressed in elegant gowns and sit and talk with elegant company. She was likely tired of expensive booze and tired of clubs and tropical resorts after a few years of it and would have loved to be a house guest at various weekend parties and be welcomed as a social equal. I think that Kate did believe that after a few years she would either have the ring or become a social fixture in that set and would certainly be lounging around an estate and enjoying quiet afternoons and evenings in large libraries or living rooms and sipping tea. Then after a few more years she would have the ring and fit seamlessly into the aristocratic/royal life and live a very stable, very secure life. When you look at it, the Boodles Boxing ball was the most elegant place she ever went. There was that Starlight thing, but that was a joke. No woman likes being the good time type for long and no woman would like or be happy being seen (and treated) as fit for only stuff like the boxing ball where beer in plastic cups are still served. For the aristos it was a fun thing, watching buddies tough it out and slug beer, but for Kate, this was as far up as she was getting invited. It's pathetic.
While I have bashed Kate as useless and trash, she strikes me as someone who yearns for a respectable life, but didn't go about things respectably and as a result, got shunted to the slummier places in life. Throughout the latter days of the courtship, she was glaring at him at times and clearly trying to put up a facade of being carefree, but she wasn't. After Boodles, she got dumped and had to make a tough choice. Run after William and HOPE he proposes and gives her a ring and some more respect, or walk away with memories and find a man who will bond with her as a respected equal and then proceed to marry her and she can have kids and a family life. Thing is, that she went after William, but he still treats her with marked disrespect. By shunning her from the memorial of his mother and from the bedside of HM, it is clear that she is still disrespected by him and still shunted aside by the rest of the BRF. It is clear that neither William or the rest of that set put up with her anymore and if I were Kate, I would be terribly hurt. Now it is clear that the marriage will at some point end and so will the life Kate has been always on the fringes of. I believe there is no point to pretending that Kate has a future with William. She is no longer protected from the loathing of a public she refuses to serve. Kate has no real progress and has no real anything left. She can't use her forties onward as a second chance since she has no foothold and William is clearly done with her. She is loaded with hurt and with members of the public being openly contemptuous, she won't last long.
Kate's biggest mistake was her determination to refuse to accept that William never respected her and love that comes from respect is the love that lasts.
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Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2022 14:49:57 GMT
One thing I feel sorry for Kate about, is how she likely disliked all the partying after a while. I think Kate would have LOVED to go on picnics on the estate, go to receptions and banquets and dances dressed in elegant gowns and sit and talk with elegant company. She was likely tired of expensive booze and tired of clubs and tropical resorts after a few years of it and would have loved to be a house guest at various weekend parties and be welcomed as a social equal. I think that Kate did believe that after a few years she would either have the ring or become a social fixture in that set and would certainly be lounging around an estate and enjoying quiet afternoons and evenings in large libraries or living rooms and sipping tea. Then after a few more years she would have the ring and fit seamlessly into the aristocratic/royal life and live a very stable, very secure life. When you look at it, the Boodles Boxing ball was the most elegant place she ever went. There was that Starlight thing, but that was a joke. No woman likes being the good time type for long and no woman would like or be happy being seen (and treated) as fit for only stuff like the boxing ball where beer in plastic cups are still served. For the aristos it was a fun thing, watching buddies tough it out and slug beer, but for Kate, this was as far up as she was getting invited. It's pathetic.
While I have bashed Kate as useless and trash, she strikes me as someone who yearns for a respectable life, but didn't go about things respectably and as a result, got shunted to the slummier places in life. Throughout the latter days of the courtship, she was glaring at him at times and clearly trying to put up a facade of being carefree, but she wasn't. After Boodles, she got dumped and had to make a tough choice. Run after William and HOPE he proposes and gives her a ring and some more respect, or walk away with memories and find a man who will bond with her as a respected equal and then proceed to marry her and she can have kids and a family life. Thing is, that she went after William, but he still treats her with marked disrespect. By shunning her from the memorial of his mother and from the bedside of HM, it is clear that she is still disrespected by him and still shunted aside by the rest of the BRF. It is clear that neither William or the rest of that set put up with her anymore and if I were Kate, I would be terribly hurt. Now it is clear that the marriage will at some point end and so will the life Kate has been always on the fringes of. I believe there is no point to pretending that Kate has a future with William. She is no longer protected from the loathing of a public she refuses to serve. Kate has no real progress and has no real anything left. She can't use her forties onward as a second chance since she has no foothold and William is clearly done with her. She is loaded with hurt and with members of the public being openly contemptuous, she won't last long. Kate's biggest mistake was her determination to refuse to accept that William never respected her and love that comes from respect is the love that lasts.
A lot of us have bashed Kate, etc, but yes, can see your point of her wanting a different kind of life,etc, and can see how that all panned out. It's sad in the sense that no human being deserves to be on the receiving end of bad treatment and disrespect at the hands of anybody, especially not at the hands of those who should be loving/respecting/caring for them. No, that's not the ideal treatment, of course, even if somebody's own bad actions and choices helped bring things on. Those in power (and in Kate's case, the BRF and all their handlers/backers/etc) don't have the right to treat others badly, or use and dismiss them as their own means to an end. Human beings aren't disposable garbage to be used and discarded. William, his cronies, some of his family, his aristrocratic set, his friends, etc, had NO right to treat her badly, no matter if he was pleased or displeased that she was in his life. Period - no matter what he feels or felt. NO human being deserves to be treated as worthless and/or expendable. William CHOSE to have her in his life, and like any human being EVER, you have to and must deal with what your own choices have brought about. We all have our own choices, dealing with our lives with the best chances and resources we have available to us. And Wiliam? He's been in the top 1% for no other reason that he dropped out of Diana and was born 2nd in line to succeed to the most influential and far-reaching monarchy in the world, perhaps in world history. William's choice to bring Kate into the family fold and use her or expect her to be a happy plaything, a bed partner, a booze/party buddy, etc, can be construed as being highly demeaning and sexist, and he should own up to how he allowed Kate to be treated. Who were his loutish trust fund buddies to deride and insult anybody? To mock Kate for having a working class/middle class background - as if having real ambitions and/or a work ethic (in the general sense) was something to be mocked. How dare they really? William wasn't or will never be a superlative character, despite his great privileges and titles - somebody who came with his Spencer background should have realized (well, any insightful person who knew or respected his/her origins should see) that his family ultimately was not "better" than Kate's. At least Kate's ancestors worked and never made outrageous claims/demands on their country - the entire Spencer line is saddled with a whole litany of wife-beaters, turncoats, drunks, boorish simpletons and those quite willing to spread their women for their country. Sorry to be crude - but they were crass opportunists who easily betrayed the Crown and sacrifice their own family members when the need arose. Yes, Kate was damaged by a truly despicable and vile unfit mother, who wasted her and her siblings' lives and helped encourage them to be lazy, uncouth users and bullies themselves, but her ancestors' lives and hard-work and middle-class backgrounds don't deserve to be looked down on. Middleton family uselessness, laziness, and vulgar and ugly antics are fairly recent, thanks mainly to Carole and her equally horrific mother. William never seemed to understand and maybe doesn't even now, that HE and ultimately HE alone is responsible for how his wife and alleged family are viewed and treated. Kate has cheapened her own life, granted, and been a liar, abuser, and a bully, and has to pay the piper for that, but she was never alone. She made her choices, and so did William - they have both made such an epic catastrophe of things, damaged the lives and reputations of countless others, possibly now committed treason,etc, Most lay people or the general public probably will not see or care what is going on behind the scenes, and choose to continue to, at least superficially, hold William and Kate in high esteem, but the damage has been done. Kate's private life is probably one of complete unhappiness or misery, but that is a personal tragedy she and William have to work out. One could or could not feel any sympathy or care about that, but ultimately that is something they need to deal with. |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 16, 2022 16:32:20 GMT
Thing is that the most recent generations of aristocrats are bad enough, but royals are worse. Royals have been behaving as if taxpayer money is their money and William does not realize that how he behaved in his twenties is how he was unable to find 'better' to run after and marry him. Lately the entire aristocracy is filled with loutish trash who get off on dressing and behaving no better than chavs. Even worse, they don't work hard and party hard, they do not work at all in the sense that their hard partying makes sense.
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Post by Admin on Nov 21, 2022 13:29:39 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 14, 2022 3:21:52 GMT
I think William should have had the courage to break up with her and keep her out of his life; Kate should have seen that he didn't want her, didn't love her, and she should have had the maturity to end it while she still had the chance to develop a life and professional position of her own. Kate should have seen that he was unhappy with her and that she wouldn't be able to make him happy or fit into his way of life that is where he himself fit best. Kate in one photo looks at him as if he is supposed to be looking at her and in another, she looks frustrated that he isn't behaving or being a certain way at that point in time. Once it became clear that he was not going to take her to respectable places, she should have let him go. She should have ended up leaving him so she had the ability to find someone who would treat her well. She was making nothing of her life, but she still had time to turn her life and reputation around. She had the time to do that, but threw it away. William looking determinedly away from her straight ahead or too drunk to focus is a huge insult to her and she should have walked. She reminds me of myself while I was clinging to this guy that was sending signals that he didn't like me anymore. He ended up ghosting me, but I ended up refocusing on myself.'
Kate assigned him a role that will never fit and it is clear that she never belonged in his life.
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Post by Admin on Dec 25, 2022 20:11:30 GMT
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Post by Admin on Mar 30, 2023 13:18:51 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Apr 10, 2023 17:23:05 GMT
I sometimes think life would have been different if Kate had gone into and stayed in a profession. Men treat women of status differently depending on the status of the woman and in my view it is clear that William treated Kate like a cheap groupie because she was not working and was clearly using him to get to places that he was used to before uni. I think if Kate had gone into a profession, he would have taken her to better places and would have likely proposed sooner if that had been his inclination. If Kate had become a successful columnist he might have been compelled to take her out to better level places or if she had gone into a profession like interior design he would have had to take her to nicer places since she would have had to level herself up and present herself more decently. I know it's unfair that William got away with slacking off more, but we live in an unfair world.
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Post by Admin on Apr 10, 2023 19:33:20 GMT
I sometimes think life would have been different if Kate had gone into and stayed in a profession. Men treat women of status differently depending on the status of the woman and in my view it is clear that William treated Kate like a cheap groupie because she was not working and was clearly using him to get to places that he was used to before uni. I think if Kate had gone into a profession, he would have taken her to better places and would have likely proposed sooner if that had been his inclination. If Kate had become a successful columnist he might have been compelled to take her out to better level places or if she had gone into a profession like interior design he would have had to take her to nicer places since she would have had to level herself up and present herself more decently. I know it's unfair that William got away with slacking off more, but we live in an unfair world. William, as we see now, gets to do whatever he wants to, to ANYBODY, and STILL gets treated like he walks on water. He's a special case, as everything Kate has is tied up in being married to this lout/boor. The BRF's seeming freefall is tied in completely in having to cater to William as the HEIR. True, Kate should have made something of herself and maybe, maybe she would have found a sincere partner who wanted the same things in life that she did. To think, Kate, as she was as a young woman, was the only being that was willing to put up with Wastrel Willy. He was never going to take her to any upscale places - it was Boujis and then bed. Kate was just supposed to be a piece on the side and then William was to marry a woman with breeding and character, but those women didn't want anything doing with him. William was just not a catch. Boozing, playtime and partying was okay for a couple of years, but then it was time to settle down and these women were like, no f#cking way. The promise of a future crown, riches, luxuries, etc, were not enough to entice them. They knew the score and were no doubt informed by their own parents/families just what the BRF was really like. Enter gauche-climbing Carole and her mad, frenetic need to rise in society. Those promises of a future crown, riches, etc, looked mighty good from her end. Kate's only goal was to be with William in any way she could. Sure, she may have wanted to have been wined and dined and brought into "respectable" scoiety, but really she was never going to get that, because Willy Spencer is not as regal/honourable as his title suggests he "should" be - he's pure run of the mill Spencer. William is common as muck. Spencers are no intellectual giants and it's obvious that neither William/Harry were ever going to be scholarly princes in any way, shape, or form. Kate (well, with help from the vile Council Caro) received just exactly what she was willing to settle for. |
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Post by kueifei on Apr 10, 2023 20:46:32 GMT
I sometimes think life would have been different if Kate had gone into and stayed in a profession. Men treat women of status differently depending on the status of the woman and in my view it is clear that William treated Kate like a cheap groupie because she was not working and was clearly using him to get to places that he was used to before uni. I think if Kate had gone into a profession, he would have taken her to better places and would have likely proposed sooner if that had been his inclination. If Kate had become a successful columnist he might have been compelled to take her out to better level places or if she had gone into a profession like interior design he would have had to take her to nicer places since she would have had to level herself up and present herself more decently. I know it's unfair that William got away with slacking off more, but we live in an unfair world. William, as we see now, gets to do whatever he wants to, to ANYBODY, and STILL gets treated like he walks on water. He's a special case, as everything Kate has is tied up in being married to this lout/boor. The BRF's seeming freefall is tied in completely in having to cater to William as the HEIR. True, Kate should have made something of herself and maybe, maybe she would have found a sincere partner who wanted the same things in life that she did. To think, Kate, as she was as a young woman, was the only being that was willing to put up with Wastrel Willy. He was never going to take her to any upscale places - it was Boujis and then bed. Kate was just supposed to be a piece on the side and then William was to marry a woman with breeding and character, but those women didn't want anything doing with him. William was just not a catch. Boozing, playtime and partying was okay for a couple of years, but then it was time to settle down and these women were like, no f#cking way. The promise of a future crown, riches, luxuries, etc, were not enough to entice them. They knew the score and were no doubt informed by their own parents/families just what the BRF was really like. Enter gauche-climbing Carole and her mad, frenetic need to rise in society. Those promises of a future crown, riches, etc, looked mighty good from her end. Kate's only goal was to be with William in any way she could. Sure, she may have wanted to have been wined and dined and brought into "respectable" scoiety, but really she was never going to get that, because Willy Spencer is not as regal/honourable as his title suggests he "should" be - he's pure run of the mill Spencer. William is common as muck. Spencers are no intellectual giants and it's obvious that never William/Harry were ever going to be scholarly princes in any way, shape, or form. Kate (well, with help from the vile Council Caro) received just exactly what she was willing to settle for.
What I resent is how Kate would not face the cold hard fact that she had to make a living and pay her own way. Kate was not someone who could afford to be impractical and her family was likely stretched to the max in regards to finances in caring for her while she remained available. Throughout her entire twenties she was not working and she was freeloading off of William's connections. She was living off of her parents as well, but she was showing up to parties to places that she got in because of William, not because she was their social equal. She was likely the only woman coming off of idleness instead of work and she was insistent on behaving as if she had millions in her family and she didn't. She couldn't afford to be irresponsible and she was only a nobody with nothing to her name, not even anything notable. It's not like she had anything to back up her ability to be idle. I think a lot of women would be okay with William having had a mistress while a bachelor, but it seems that he was trying to hop from woman to woman and not develop any kind of independent life. She has no real anything
Despite this, Kate was supported by many in the public, as if coming from a middle class family made it okay for her to be a mooch. She was a mooch.
As for William, being uncouth, Kate does not respect herself, much less anyone should respect her. She chose to not live an honest life, she chose to be a leech. She could have developed a respectable niche for herself and she could have ended up widening horizons for William and earning the kind of respect that would result in respectable treatment from him. I dislike how William is blamed for her refusal to develop her own standing. I hold Kate more responsible because she had every chance to develop her own life and respect and she threw it away. She had freedom, resources, education, and plenty of ways to make a great life. She had to make a living and her freeloading was considered okay by a lot of people because in the view of many, only middle class girls are allowed to leech off of rich boyfriends. Only middle class girls are allowed to move up via the bedroom and remain respectable.
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