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Post by kueifei on Nov 30, 2020 3:14:46 GMT
Where is the compassion and empathy for a woman who has lost a baby does it matter why she revealed it now maybe it took time to heal my understanding harry persuaded Meghan to write about her experiences to help other women from the outpouring of support she made the right decision
Anyone with any decency of course feels compassion. Thing is, that Meg has been perpetually advertising her every little bit of misery in her life and I am quite honestly sick of and tired of hearing about her latest problem. Even before she was officially engaged, she was complaining and telling the world how the press was persecuting her and making her life impossible. Then during the engagement interview (I didn't watch that either) she was mentioning racism/persecution and throughout her (almost) time as a consort of a reigning prince she was complaining about it (rightly, but still) and then afterwards she was complaining about it and even during the aftermath and getting a sweet deal with Netflix she was doing more 'activism' rather than working on securing new material and building on that chance. She did asinine videos making speeches about racial politics, feminist politics and can't seem to just sit back and exult on the good life she has. Quite frankly, she keeps pushing her business in everyone's faces and I am sick of it. With her exposure she could use it a lot more wisely and she has no business making her business everyone's business.
Right now we MIGHT be getting a vaccine for this horrific virus, but as of now cases are going through the roof and more are dying every day. The economy is officially shattered and there will no longer be any chance of effective rehabilitation and there is no 'going back to normal' even after everyone is successfully/fully vaccinated. As it is, the psychological toll is permanent and irreversible and there will be a lot of people living with new mentalities and new perspectives. Then there will be mourning the dead, struggling to adjust after the confinement of millions of people around the world for months on end, disrupted diplomacy/geopolitics and there is no way that doctors and nurses can go 'back' to regular practice since many of them will be in desperate need of heavy duty therapy in order to just sleep at night after everything they've been subjected to. Psychiatry will be the main area of industry and quite frankly there will be a need for tremendous restructuring. Meanwhile, Meg is having a miscarriage, terrible, but it's not anything that should be anyone else's problem.
If I were Meg, I would be keeping my mouth shut, laying low, and working on new material and doing all I can to just make sure that I heal quietly and with no fuss and she should be doing just that. Neither Harry, but especially Meg, seem to be facing the realities that a lot others are experiencing. Meg is coming across like that friend who refuses to just chill, get down to business, and just get on with life. She just HAS to have some kind of mess in her life and it's irritating in the extreme. Harry is just as brainless, but he can kind of be excused since he is someone who was not raised in hard realities. Harry was also not given any kind of right upbringing and it is clear that he is just being dragged through life and (I now think) used. Meg breaks a nail, she has a crisis; Meg hears about the killings that led to the riots? Meg MUST makes a speech about activism and racism. It's always all about Meg. She keeps doing everything but what she is supposed to be. It is irritating to no end that she now tells the world about her miscarriage, despite the fact that the world has bigger problems right now.
She keeps making her problems everyone else's problems and it is clear that she refuses to just chill, sit back, enjoy her new plush life, and enjoy being able to live it to the full. Instead, she goes on a lawsuit spree against the press and her father and decides to act like the press is still going after her nonstop (they aren't). I also believe that she's unwilling to just stop pushing herself. She has a sweet life, she should not continue to make a mess of it.
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Post by sanka on Nov 30, 2020 8:05:31 GMT
^ Well said Kueifei.
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2020 23:11:17 GMT
www.celebitchy.com/690759/will_duchess_meghans_nyt_op-ed_be_a_reset_for_her_relationship_with_the_windsors/Immediately after reading Meghan Markle’s brave and brilliant op-ed about her miscarriage in the New York Times this week, The Daily Beast reached out to the offices of Prince Charles, Prince William, and Queen Elizabeth to try and get a sense of the mood in their camps. While Charles and William more or less stuck to the usual “no comment”, the response that came from the queen’s office was rather unusual. While saying that they wouldn’t comment, they did, noting this was a “deeply personal” issue, a phrase which, while not exactly warm, encouraging or supportive, appeared to at least show a modicum of empathy and compassion for Meghan and Harry. Aside: It's wasn't their business to have to or even be asked to comment. It's somebody making sure their personal business was made very public. Meghan and Harry are not owed anything, and I would really resent if somebody asked me to offer words on somebody's personal business. None of your business what they think - time to worry about important issuesEmpathy and compassion, as anyone who has been watching The Crown, Peter Morgan’s devastating portrait of the Windsors on Netflix, over the past few weeks, are not exactly the royal family’s stock in trade. What’s also important is what didn’t happen next. The palace didn’t get on the phone to friendly journalists and start decrying Meghan—as it did when Diana revealed her bulimia all those years ago—as an attention-seeker or self-publicist. Aside: Maybe do some actual research and you will learn where the empathy and compassion should lay. Meghan is not the only royal who allegedly had a miscarriage or stillbirth, and her life is pretty darn good for somebody who hasn't been a royal very long. She enriched herself big time - she has a VERY easy life. She's responsible for at least some of the flak she has gotten. Bigger issues than if a few misfits think she's an attention-seeker or whatever. Who the #$#@ cares? For those who have spent the past few years observing the ruthless but, simultaneously, bizarrely cack-handed way the royals have sought to censor and control Meghan, the absence of approved royal sources slamming her is a welcome development. (However, it should be said that had they even attempted any such heartless criticism it would have been met with rightful condemnation by the public.) For Meghan, it will be a relief; not because she needs anyone’s permission to speak her truth, but, more prosaically, because a “royal row” narrative would have distracted from the message of the article itself. Maybe because they honestly don't care anymore? Certain royals were never the problem? HM, the Duke, and Charles, etc, were NEVER against her - it was coming from a different quarter? But that would destroy the Diana victim/Golden Boy William narrative that some have been pushing ad nauseum? This is not to say, of course, that there won’t be petty quarrels and sniping at Meghan and Harry again. There will. But it seems that even the famously hard-hearted Windsors saw the wisdom of not responding to Meghan’s pain in a critical way. That in itself feels like it could herald a major reset in relations between the Sussexes and the Establishment. You know what? They never responded to her so-called pain in a critical way to begin with. Don't scapegoat the so-called Establishment to push a phony victim narrative - it's nauseating in times like now. The Daily Beast also exclusively revealed that Harry and Meghan had discussed with his family her decision to write her convention-shattering piece, which is being widely hailed—much as was Chrissy Teigen’s photographic account of her miscarriage—as an attitude-altering contribution to the conversation around this everyday tragedy. Friends of the couple told The Daily Beast that they had discussed the “very painful” experience with Harry’s family. And we know how trustworthy "friends of the couple" are. The royal family deserves no medals for showing themselves to be human, but its senior members do appear to have finally accepted that Meghan—who has complained of being deprived of her voice and silenced as a royal—has a right to be heard. That is progress. Oh, brother, I just threw up in my mouth a little. Really, Kaiser, cut the drama and do some REAL research. On the bigger question of whether this traumatic event will repair any rifts in the royal family, or even put things into perspective a little, it is probably too early to say. Meghan’s camp have been guarded in their use of language, pointedly saying that the painful experience has been “discussed” with Harry’s family. That in itself is encouraging, but they have not, however, used words to suggest that the royals’ input has been a great source of solace or comfort for Harry and Meghan. There's a bigger question? I think you and some other writers need to lay off on the histrionics. Your idol Meghan is not a saint - she's a flesh and blood human being. Nobody asked for her to project her life onto others - people don't owe her anything. Find another cause of the century, Kaiser.[From The Daily Beast]
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2020 23:43:44 GMT
From the same article:
I will just put this out there.
Yeah, I noticed that too – for all of the negativity from the peanut gallery (commenters, tweets, etc), the palace didn’t actually send courtiers out to trash Meghan. But I think that’s more about those courtiers knowing that it would not end well if they tried to play the “we were blind-sided, how dare this impertinent American” game in this particular situation. Besides, there’s a limit to how many times the palace can reasonably claim to be blind-sided without looking completely out of touch. I also think that “not sending people out to trash and smear Meghan” isn’t quite enough for a “reset” in royal relations. If anything, this is a stalemate, and that might be the best anyone can hope for the future – the Sussexes are clearly building their future in California and the jealous, petty, hopeless Windsors don’t actually want them to come back. So a stalemate it is. Also: we’ll never find out for sure, but I would be interested in knowing when Harry and Meghan told the Windsors about her miscarriage and about the op-ed.
Jealous? A monarch who has reigned 70 years is jealous? Not the way 94 year olds roll, royal or not, Kaiser. Don't come across as an "impertinent American" constantly projecting your business on other people -it's very off-putting. So some people may not love your idol -who cares?
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Post by princesseth on Dec 1, 2020 1:23:05 GMT
New here, my thoughts on why she released now Sprinkles? lol Don't think I have seen that name before. It spewed out of my mouth once before she married Harry; she's like that light, fluffy, tasteless stuff you sprinkle on ice cream which possibly looks nice but has no purpose Sparkles always seemed too pretty for her
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Post by princesseth on Dec 1, 2020 1:27:00 GMT
Where is the compassion and empathy for a woman who has lost a baby does it matter why she revealed it now maybe it took time to heal my understanding harry persuaded Meghan to write about her experiences to help other women from the outpouring of support she made the right decision I'm the mother of a child that died of SIDS at 6 months. My compassion for any family (mother, father, children) who lose a child is there. What I question is her timing of the release. Because she has been 100% PR since the day she met him, it "feels" like another ploy especially after she saw the copious amounts of sympathy for Chrissy. I've never liked her, I wanted to but she was a 2-bit actress in a cable show that I never watched on a network I can't even access acting like she was Jennifer Aniston or Jennifer Garner or Halle Berry... of which, she is none of them.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 1, 2020 1:29:25 GMT
From the same article: I will just put this out there. Yeah, I noticed that too – for all of the negativity from the peanut gallery (commenters, tweets, etc), the palace didn’t actually send courtiers out to trash Meghan. But I think that’s more about those courtiers knowing that it would not end well if they tried to play the “we were blind-sided, how dare this impertinent American” game in this particular situation. Besides, there’s a limit to how many times the palace can reasonably claim to be blind-sided without looking completely out of touch. I also think that “not sending people out to trash and smear Meghan” isn’t quite enough for a “reset” in royal relations. If anything, this is a stalemate, and that might be the best anyone can hope for the future – the Sussexes are clearly building their future in California and the jealous, petty, hopeless Windsors don’t actually want them to come back. So a stalemate it is. Also: we’ll never find out for sure, but I would be interested in knowing when Harry and Meghan told the Windsors about her miscarriage and about the op-ed. Jealous? A monarch who has reigned 70 years is jealous? Not the way 94 year olds roll, royal or not, Kaiser. Don't come across as an "impertinent American" constantly projecting your business on other people -it's very off-putting. So some people may not love your idol -who cares?
I think the Windsors are done with M&H and are done even caring about them. CB is a good place to go, but their pathological worship of Angelina and Meg has been too much. I mean really, HM isn't jealous of Meg and neither is the royal court in general. As for Meg, she's becoming increasingly irritating. She isn't blindsiding the palace, she is definitely becoming an attention seeking drama queen and it is clear that if she keeps this up rather than work, her Netflix deal will crash and her professional reputation will burn.
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2020 1:35:57 GMT
Where is the compassion and empathy for a woman who has lost a baby does it matter why she revealed it now maybe it took time to heal my understanding harry persuaded Meghan to write about her experiences to help other women from the outpouring of support she made the right decision I'm the mother of a child that died of SIDS at 6 months. My compassion for any family (mother, father, children) who lose a child is there. What I question is her timing of the release. Because she has been 100% PR since the day she met him, it "feels" like another ploy especially after she saw the copious amounts of sympathy for Chrissy. I've never liked her, I wanted to but she was a 2-bit actress in a cable show that I never watched on a network I can't even access acting like she was Jennifer Aniston or Jennifer Garner or Halle Berry... of which, she is none of them. I'm very sorry about the loss of your baby.
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2020 1:40:06 GMT
From the same article: I will just put this out there. Yeah, I noticed that too – for all of the negativity from the peanut gallery (commenters, tweets, etc), the palace didn’t actually send courtiers out to trash Meghan. But I think that’s more about those courtiers knowing that it would not end well if they tried to play the “we were blind-sided, how dare this impertinent American” game in this particular situation. Besides, there’s a limit to how many times the palace can reasonably claim to be blind-sided without looking completely out of touch. I also think that “not sending people out to trash and smear Meghan” isn’t quite enough for a “reset” in royal relations. If anything, this is a stalemate, and that might be the best anyone can hope for the future – the Sussexes are clearly building their future in California and the jealous, petty, hopeless Windsors don’t actually want them to come back. So a stalemate it is. Also: we’ll never find out for sure, but I would be interested in knowing when Harry and Meghan told the Windsors about her miscarriage and about the op-ed. Jealous? A monarch who has reigned 70 years is jealous? Not the way 94 year olds roll, royal or not, Kaiser. Don't come across as an "impertinent American" constantly projecting your business on other people -it's very off-putting. So some people may not love your idol -who cares? I think the Windsors are done with M&H and are done even caring about them. CB is a good place to go, but their pathological worship of Angelina and Meg has been too much. I mean really, HM isn't jealous of Meg and neither is the royal court in general. As for Meg, she's becoming increasingly irritating. She isn't blindsiding the palace, she is definitely becoming an attention seeking drama queen and it is clear that if she keeps this up rather than work, her Netflix deal will crash and her professional reputation will burn.
It is an interesting place to go - I find the comment section particularly interesting, hence why I like to post some of them here. But I think that Kaiser is certainly coming to some wrong conclusions and yes, that pathological worship is getting way too much. That is why I had to respond - here, because apparently I'm blocked in way too many places. Also tired of the same people whining they aren't getting the attention they "deserve" all because they think they deserve especial notice. Not on my watch.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 1, 2020 2:49:56 GMT
I do not think any of this is going to end well. At this point in her life, it would be more logical to be complacent and happy and fulfilled. I also believe that she is becoming utterly illogical. Not just her perpetual issues with her father, but her issues with everyone in her life. If I had landed a Netflix deal of over a hundred million, I would be spending my days doinking Harry, playing with my kid, and doing all sorts of research and doing all I can to get projects that center on interesting people, interesting events, and just plain making stuff up. Heck, I would get stoned with Harry and try to think of ways to create new shows that no one had ever thought of while laughing like a loon. Not preaching online or via video cams or wasting time with family drama. I would also spend time working on getting access to bigger viewing markets. She is acting like being miserable is the way to go, despite the fact that, that era is now over and done with. No one wants to feel sorry for the rich and titled and no one wants to have Meg dumping her latest problem on their shoulders. I also believe that people have reached a complete saturation point with royal dramas. Chaos at the top always results in stagnation at the bottom and it is clear that Meg is just plain unwilling to just chill and enjoy life.
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2020 3:07:03 GMT
I do not think any of this is going to end well. At this point in her life, it would be more logical to be complacent and happy and fulfilled. I also believe that she is becoming utterly illogical. Not just her perpetual issues with her father, but her issues with everyone in her life. If I had landed a Netflix deal of over a hundred million, I would be spending my days doinking Harry, playing with my kid, and doing all sorts of research and doing all I can to get projects that center on interesting people, interesting events, and just plain making stuff up. Heck, I would get stoned with Harry and try to think of ways to create new shows that no one had ever thought of while laughing like a loon. Not preaching online or via video cams or wasting time with family drama. I would also spend time working on getting access to bigger viewing markets. She is acting like being miserable is the way to go, despite the fact that, that era is now over and done with. No one wants to feel sorry for the rich and titled and no one wants to have Meg dumping her latest problem on their shoulders. I also believe that people have reached a complete saturation point with royal dramas. Chaos at the top always results in stagnation at the bottom and it is clear that Meg is just plain unwilling to just chill and enjoy life. Had to chuckle a bit over this, but it's so true. I guess doinking Harry is not in her immediate plans. lol
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Post by india on Dec 1, 2020 3:30:57 GMT
^ I hope not for them.
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2020 13:12:41 GMT
www.celebitchy.com/690928/why_was_the_palace-reaction_to_duchess_meghans_op-ed_so_sulky_strange/#comment-16803283As I covered, Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast had some interesting insights into the Windsor family’s reaction to the Duchess of Sussex’s New York Times op-ed. Meghan revealed that she had a miscarriage in July, and the reaction from the various royal households was either “no comment” or “this is a deeply private matter.” Sykes pointed out that unlike every other Sussex headline, the palaces were not running around to slam and smear Meghan, so perhaps this is a “royal reset” in relations between the Sussexes and the Windsors. But as Sykes also pointed out, there were some royal commentators doing the most to go negative (although it’s unclear whether this was authorized by any palace): It didn’t take long for some pundits to begin sharpening their knives against Meghan: Camilla Tominey, an influential royal commentator for the Daily Telegraph where she is also a senior executive, sent out a breathtakingly harsh take in her weekly newsletter in which she wrote of Meghan’s decision to reveal her miscarriage. “The piece she has written for the New York Times will only serve to further support the Mail on Sunday’s defense that Meghan has repeatedly invaded her own privacy,” Tominey wrote. “In describing how she watched her ‘husband’s heart break as he tried to hold the shattered pieces of mine,’ she has disclosed one of the most intimate moments in her own marriage.” Sadly, there will be many in the upper echelons of the British establishment who will peddle this line in the days to come. The clever ones will pretend to respect Meghan’s public statement on the one hand, while simultaneously undermining her or calling her stupid or shortsighted on the other. They are on a losing ticket, not least because Meghan is clearly an extremely smart person. For example, she shrewdly used her piece not to wallow in her own grief but as a springboard to discussing the wider crisis that America finds itself in this Thanksgiving weekend. [From The Daily Beast] Give it up, Tommy and Kaiser - you SO want a story that is. just. not. THERE.
I don't think with how urgent things are in the United States and elsewhere, that you or Meghan even think her voice adding to it even matters. Have you no sense of how non-important navel-gazing psychobabble by celebrities really is?
If anything, you are just showing how Meghan really never fit in with the royals, and worse yet, that she appears to have been using the Royals as her own personal springboard. Yes, Tom and Kaiser- what YOU are showing.
Nobody called her stupid or shortsighted (I've never seen that personally), but guess what? YOU did.
I guess the upper echelons of the British establishment were right - your gal never belonged. But she never wanted to, did she? She took her 3rd choice rich British ginger and ran, didn't she? Believe I know the real reasons Meghan and Harry left, so there is some sympathy on my part on those accounts. (but we really cannot post those because we get banned, right?) But these long-drawn out media games are very wearing. Trying to craft this pathetic American tabloid based victim narrative with your idol in the starring role is just ridiculous. She's not the 2nd Coming of Diana, and she was never some put upon "people's princess". Nobody owes her anything!
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Post by kueifei on Dec 1, 2020 13:26:01 GMT
Why does the palace have to comment? Harry and Meg are no longer their responsibility and it is clear that Meg suffered horribly, but if the royals/courtiers no longer care, it should be left at that. Why would they care since Meg is now officially out and also no longer protected by them. Meg should know by now that the palace is no longer going to even try to protect her, or care about her, or do anything for her or on her behalf.
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Post by sophia on Dec 2, 2020 4:01:07 GMT
Hi This is my first post here. I used to write on the old forum under the name Venus de Milo. I’m so happy a new forum has been created.
I defended Meghan on the old forum, and I still do against the extreme hatred she receives in some quarters, and the continuous ugly tone, and nonsensical criticism she receives in the tabloids. Yet, I have always believed Meghan was an unsuitable bride for Harry, and I have disliked some of the things she has done.
This article in the NYC is one of them. It smacks of attention seeking, and her wanting sympathy and being praised for being a brave woman.
Honestly, there is little stigma attached to miscarriages. Certainly not to the degree that Meghan had to make it into a cause, and write about it in the NYC months after the fact. There really is no reason for the palace to release a statement, as some have called for, and doesn’t make them look uncaring IMO.
I think Meghan most likely suffered a miscarriage, because I believe her and Harry wanted a second child quickly, particularly taking her age into account. In any case, she is probably pregnant again now.
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Post by sophia on Dec 2, 2020 4:05:12 GMT
Hi This is my first post here. I used to write on the old forum under the name Venus de Milo. I’m so happy a new forum has been created. I defended Meghan on the old forum, and I still do, against the extreme hatred she receives in some quarters, and the continuous ugly tone, and nonsensical criticism she receives in the tabloids. Yet, I have always believed Meghan was an unsuitable bride for Harry, and I have disliked some of the things she has done. This article in the NYC is one of them. It smacks of attention seeking, and of her wanting sympathy and being praised for being a brave woman. Honestly, there is little stigma attached to miscarriages. Certainly not to the degree that Meghan had to make it into a cause, and write about it in the NYC months after the fact. There really is no reason for the palace to release a statement, as some have called for, and doesn’t make them look uncaring IMO. I think Meghan most likely suffered a miscarriage, because I believe her and Harry wanted a second child quickly, particularly taking her age into account. In any case, she is probably pregnant again now.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2020 4:11:19 GMT
Hi This is my first post here. I used to write on the old forum under the name Venus de Milo. I’m so happy a new forum has been created. I defended Meghan on the old forum, and I still do against the extreme hatred she receives in some quarters, and the continuous ugly tone, and nonsensical criticism she receives in the tabloids. Yet, I have always believed Meghan was an unsuitable bride for Harry, and I have disliked some of the things she has done. This article in the NYC is one of them. It smacks of attention seeking, and her wanting sympathy and being praised for being a brave woman. Honestly, there is little stigma attached to miscarriages. Certainly not to the degree that Meghan had to make it into a cause, and write about it in the NYC months after the fact. There really is no reason for the palace to release a statement, as some have called for, and doesn’t make them look uncaring IMO. I think Meghan most likely suffered a miscarriage, because I believe her and Harry wanted a second child quickly, particularly taking her age into account. In any case, she is probably pregnant again now. Good first post, sophia! Thanks for posting. Yes, it's good, I feel, to defend somebody from vicious hate and attacks, and all the more credit to those who do. Kudos to you for being on her side. I think she does open herself to criticism, but there's constructive or fair criticism of her actions, and then there's open abuse. I like to think we here at RG know and respect the difference. I agree with you that it does smack of attention seeking, but why NOW? Hmmm....
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Post by kueifei on Dec 2, 2020 4:15:17 GMT
I do not think that an actress would be a good consort since they are not always the most stable people. Meg has been acting like having a miscarriage is a major scandal, or that her recent speeches on race/politics is something that is exceptional, but we do not live in the times that we used to before. With this virus, we will be cut off from even our highly celebritized culture and she can't seem to accept that politicians and diplomats will soon no longer pretend to even want to tolerate entertainers butting in on much of anything. Meg (to me) is utterly inept at just chilling out, enjoying the great life she has, and just relaxing with the good life she has now. This really isn't the time to sermonize about her latest drama and it is clear that she has SERIOUS issues holding herself together and just stop trying to get all the attention she can grab.
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Post by sophia on Dec 2, 2020 11:39:18 GMT
I don’t think she is happy about her life, that’s the problem. She wants to be a humanitarian icon like Diana, Angelina Jolie or Audrey Hepburn. I think Meghan sees herself as a unique person, that just wasn’t noticed. That’s why she talks about being able to use her voice again. (memo to Meghan: royalty isn’t about using one’s voice, but about representation.) She wants to be acknowledged as something special, a person who has real impact and says important and interesting things. That’s also the reason she IMO is continuing with the trial and various petty fights. She has to fight the image the tabloids created of her. Despite her massive fame, she is not adored, but notorious. She did not have 10 years of steady RF work and a people’s Princess cushion, to fall back on, once she left the UK. I think she did an excellent job as a royal, but everything she did was demeaned by the press, so that she couldn’t reach high popularity amongst the British people. I think she hopes that the small snippets we occasionally get will alter the situation in her favour, that people will see that she is not as is portrayed. I can understand her motivation, and as such the issue of copyright infringement should be an easy win. However, the fact is that it will most likely end like the Depp vs Sun trial. She would do better with just, as KF says, enjoying her life, and then slowly build up a humanitarian workload, perhaps seek a UN position.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 2, 2020 13:18:18 GMT
She didn't keep the UN position she had; she could have built on that after her marriage, but she refused and as for Diana and the rest of them, they did put in their dues and Diana did work hard for the UK before she reached global status.
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