Title: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: Yooper on May 12, 2011, 05:31:07 pm
________________________________________
jezebel.com/5800989/tragic-sarah-ferguson-wore-metaphorical-hair-shirt-during-royal-weddingThe comments are worth your time, if you have some to kill. The euphoria over the BRF is taking a bit of a beating, especially Andrew.
________________________________________
Title: Re: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: Black Queen on May 13, 2011, 12:10:15 am
________________________________________
Why can't she just fade into the background :bored: America is about to get tired of her now.
________________________________________
Title: Re: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: Ceridwen on May 13, 2011, 01:34:03 am
________________________________________
I'm so tired of Fergie crying to Oprah's shoulders. :screaming:
IMO this is what happens when a royal prince has/had too much leeway and marrying a woman just because he thought he was in love. Not that I have anything against love (because I'm in love myself) but these royal prince(ess), should consider the suitability or the lack thereof prior to marrying. They should loose their titles if they refuse to toe the line.
________________________________________
Title: Re: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: DrWonderWoman on May 13, 2011, 02:29:55 am
________________________________________
I really wish she would have not done this. I like her but this seems so incredibly pathetic that I'm embarrassed for her. She talks about mistakes but yet she's making a mistake by talking and in the process digging herself a bigger hole.
________________________________________
Title: Re: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: Yooper on May 13, 2011, 02:38:
am
________________________________________
Without a monarchy association there would be no story. So, since there is, this will sell. The same ppl who drooled over the wedding will tune in. Nobody gets it both ways. And it won't be long before Wasty's hiding out in the US and putting on a show. The respect is gone and the circus is selling tickets.
________________________________________
Title: Re: US take on Sarah Ferguson/Oprah
Post by: June on May 27, 2011, 01:49:59 pm
________________________________________
Quote from: Ceridwen on May 13, 2011, 01:34:03 am
I'm so tired of Fergie crying to Oprah's shoulders. :screaming:
IMO this is what happens when a royal prince has/had too much leeway and marrying a woman just because he thought he was in love. Not that I have anything against love (because I'm in love myself) but these royal prince(ess), should consider the suitability or the lack thereof prior to marrying. They should loose their titles if they refuse to toe the line.
I'm with you, Ceri. Fergie has been stripped of the HRH, but the Duchess of York title cannot be taken from her, as according to Lieblich, it acts as a surname.
Yooper and KF: I enjoyed reading your posts. It's not so much Fergie's age that is the deal-breaker, it's that she's just NOT changing her behaviors and keeps blubbering on about it in public. It's nauseating, really, she needs to give it up, because she just does not have any credibility now. :ick:
If she wants to change, then fine, I'm all for it, but just go out and DO IT for crying out loud! :screaming:
She has more in common with Waity than the BRF can probably see: all hot air and NO ACTION. :rolleyes:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 27, 2011, 09:43:55 pm
________________________________________
Why do dysfunctional women like Sarah get all the breaks in the world while the decent and hardworking get all the drudgery?
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Ceridwen on June 02, 2011, 09:02:33 pm
________________________________________
Good question. The only think I could think of is that these women are easy and they do not give men a lot of work in winning them. They represent no challenges whatsoever. :
:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 02, 2011, 09:22:03 pm
________________________________________
^^The flip side is also true. The real, decent, hard working women I know are married to their equals or better and would consider PW dysfunctional and beneath them. And they'd be right.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 02, 2011, 09:49:01 pm
________________________________________
You have a point there. It's just in my life I've seen all sorts of MESSED UP women get the breaks in life and go figure, nice women get all the work.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 02, 2011, 10:13:29 pm
________________________________________
Fortunately, I have rarely seen that in my sphere, but it's out there, I'm quite sure. I only have one woman friend who has stubbed her toe a few times in the bad boy dept, but that's ok, short-term and we yank her back in. A person, any person, has to have a strong sense of self and a really high-level of group support to kick your a$$ if it needs it or support you and keep you focused and on the right track. It works for those I know anyway. But, we're in a different place, maybe, where not working and not having any sense of self-respect is just unacceptable and trashy/weak. If you act like that, you'll attract trash and then it's a mess, isn't it?
We've ALL learned that through the gruesome 20-30 year range, so I'm convinced it has to do with experience. We tolerate no bullsh@t.
________________________________________
Title: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 05, 2011, 11:42:18 pm
________________________________________
Fergie breaks down on television and reveals: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Quote
Sarah Ferguson has revealed in an astonishing interview how she suffered cruel emotional abuse at the hands of her own mother.
The shamed former wife of Prince Andrew said her own mother taunted her when she just a little girl, telling her: 'You've got the sign of the devil. I'm going to beat that devil out!'.
The depth of Fergie's low self-esteem is laid bare in astonishing admissions on her six-part reality show, as she confesses - to millions of viewers in the US - that she sees herself as 'pointless', 'emotionally bankrupt', 'unlovable' and 'worthless'.
Read more:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1394550/Sarah-Ferguson-reveals-television-abuse-inflicted-mother.html#ixzz1ORbPW78jShe should be telling this to a therapist, not the world.
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2011, 11:47:34 pm
________________________________________
:oooh:
:eyes:
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Ceridwen on June 06, 2011, 03:35:26 am
________________________________________
OMG, when will she ever stop.....
:prokates: :prokates: :prokates: :prokates: :prokates: :screaming: :screaming: :screaming: :screaming: :screaming:
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 06, 2011, 05:05:26 am
________________________________________
She never will, never never ever.
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Lauracrazygirl on June 06, 2011, 03:35:47 pm
________________________________________
OMG!! I feel SOOOO bad for Princess Beatrice & Eugenie. :there: :there: I would be like. "Mum please stop!" :shy: :shy: :shy:
Ya know, If I can go a little off topic for a sec. This whole episode with sarah has given me a new found sympathy for what happened with William and Harry. I was born in 1988 so I was to young to care about royals. But it must have been hell of the boys when the war of the wales was happening. Didnt Charles and Diana at any point think that this would cause their kids alot of pain and embrassment.
But in many ways I'm just as guilty as Diana and Charles were of ignoring the boys, when I started learning about Diana in the early 2000s all I could think of was the drama and how Diana was "entitled" to do panorama and tell her side of the story. It didnt even cross my mind how much that would hurt the boys, and clearly I was not alone as the public ate the whole drama up too. Without much thought for the well being of William and Harry. :bye:
Well at least I grow up, sadly the british press hasnt. Stop giving sarah a platform to humilate herself and her kids. :stop: :stop:
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Nighthawk on June 06, 2011, 04:34:38 pm
________________________________________
:- really this woman needs professional help :hiss: Poor Princess's what a shame to have this as their mother :bye:
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: DrWonderWoman on June 06, 2011, 08:11:43 pm
________________________________________
Perhaps this is a bit much but...by telling her story I bet someone out there is able to connect with her and could be of valuable help. Her story could give someone the courage they need to seek help and get out of a situation they are in. Abuse in any form is NEVER ok.
I don't see this as whining or even a pity party. I see this as Sarah trying to help someone else by sharing her pain, her struggles, her mistakes etc....
I understand people's knee jerk reactions to her but at the same time I'm appalled by it.
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 06, 2011, 11:12:55 pm
________________________________________
I'm appalled at it too, but I had a stepmother that tormented me, but that does NOT make it okay for the mess that Sarah has made of her life and the way she compromises the futures of her daughter by her acting out all the time.
________________________________________
Title: Re: 'My mother told me I had the devil in me'
Post by: Contessa on June 07, 2011, 10:22:45 am
________________________________________
Yeah but some of us mothers can see what's inside our children if we're cluey enough and look beyond the cuteness.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 07, 2011, 11:57:24 pm
________________________________________
I think Fergie has always been nothing but a bad seed; I mean, she never could get a guy to commit before Andrew and look at the mess she's made of that. Men can tell. When she did PR work at an office, she supposedly did nothing but talk on the phone and she did run with a crowd that was wealthier, filled with more beautiful women, and more cultured.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2011, 12:18:11 am
________________________________________
being abused as a child, IMO gives nobody the excuse nor the right to behave as badly as Sarah has, yes it's nice that others can relate to her but again doesn't give her a free pass to do what she has done in the past nor the future
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 08, 2011, 08:42:59 am
________________________________________
Quote
being abused as a child, IMO gives nobody the excuse nor the right to behave as badly as Sarah has
Thank you!!!! Sarah is victimizing her daughters, just in a different way. She is wrecking their lives by her chronic irresponsibility and it's likely because of her that they lost their 24/7 protection officers and will likely have to have careers instead of a littlest bit of security. She keeps them from moving forward by mooching constantly and leeching off of them and also grasping them to her when she wants to prove how 'in' she is with the RF.
Never one to miss a chance for self promotion: Fergie shows off her new children's book after bumping into a family during New York shopping trip
Quote
She's never been one to miss out on an opportunity to make some extra money through bold self promotion.
And Sarah Ferguson was at it again today as she strolled around New York City after making the talk show rounds to promote her new reality show and children's book.
The 51-year-old former royal stopped to chat to a family in the upmarket Nolita neighbourhood of the city, while brandishing a copy of Molly Makes Friends, giving it maximum exposure.
Quote
'My girls learn from my mistakes, and look at how they are - it's so exciting to see them confident and strong,' she said.
'I'm really so proud that Andrew and I are really a team together and we are completely unified, with the girls.'
She gives herself way too much credit for that; I think it's because of HM and Philip and the Court that the girls have gotten themselves together. All IN SPITE of Sarah's actions.
Quote
New beginnings: Fergie thanked Oprah Winfrey and Dr Phil for helping her find a new start after the disastrous events of last year
My former therapist LOATHES Dr. Phil and Oprah and they are the LAST people she should have gone to. Secondly, those disastrous events were self inflicted, not by others, but by herself.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: karla64 on June 09, 2011, 02:37:15 pm
________________________________________
Her sister Jane said can't recall that abuse.. :dontknow:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001096/Sarah-Fergusons-sister-I-dont-recall-abuse-mother.html________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2011, 06:05:57 am
________________________________________
Fergie and 'the mark of the devil' on her forehead: The truth about the Duchess's claims
Quote
Sarah then revealed that after her mother had abandoned her and decamped to Argentina with her lover, when Sarah was just 12, her father Ron Ferguson used to say she looked like a ‘sheep’s a##’ or ‘a clown’ when she was upset.
The six-part documentary, for which the Duchess reportedly received a fee of around £200,000, is the latest in a series of televised outpourings that she has taken part in since her divorce from the Duke of York in 1996.
In the past 12 months, she has been interviewed by everyone from Oprah Winfrey to Piers Morgan on subjects including her exclusion from the Royal Wedding and her role in a scandal in which she admitted trying to sell access to her ex-husband to an undercover News of the World reporter.
Since these latest recollections about her mother emerged from preview tapes, Sarah has been accused of attention-seeking and false memory syndrome. Many are appalled at her willingness to bare her soul for money, particularly as it is said that some of the programmes had to be refilmed when Oprah declared them not dramatic enough.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2002357/Fergie-mark-devil-forehead-The-truth-Duchesss-claims.html#ixzz1OwOSun2zIf there has been tweaking, obviously she is worse than I thought. If these things were so horrific, why not include them in her autobiography?
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Ceridwen on June 11, 2011, 08:01:23 am
________________________________________
Normally speaking, I would never ignore a child when s/he says that s/he's been abuse, however, since this is attention-seeking-Fergie, I have to take it with a grain of salt. This woman (IMO) will do anything to gain her additional 15-minute of fame. She is an attention seeker money hungry bimbo. Sorry for calling her names but I have no more respect for Fergie than an annoying flies. :rolleyes: :screaming:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2011, 09:15:42 am
________________________________________
Given how the past couple of decades have been, there have been a lot of kids growing up in broken homes and getting targeted by messed up parents (who for some reason seem to attract the decent) and don't have the chances and opportunities to do something fantastic wiht their lives the way Fergie has. Abuse is no excuse for messing up the lives of other people with dysfunctional behavior. Kids getting abused is no joke, but Fergie is basically abusing her kids by acting the way she is. When you read about where hse was dragging the York princesses when they were TEENAGERS it makes me boil, mainly because she put them at a HUGE risk to get hurt, all so she could get invites to VIP events.
I'm for one fed up. How long has it been since? I'm for one skeptical because I am quite sure that Fergie has been putting together quite the banquet of BS for Oprah's consumption. Oprah is not one that likes a neatly wrapped up story on basic family problems, she prefers sensationalistic.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: karla64 on June 13, 2011, 05:02:53 pm
________________________________________
again she talking about abuse by her mother.. I don't know if that true? :dontknow:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2003061/Finding-Sarah-Fergie-tears-recalls-childhood-beatings-mother.html ________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 13, 2011, 05:35:00 pm
________________________________________
I should have gone on tv and broadcasted my sobbing story about my birth mother hating me enough to sign me over to the state, living in abusive foster homes for years before being adopted out of state to an abusive home. Maybe I could have gotten my own tv, endorcements, have others throw me a huge Pity party :rolleyes: sarcasim intended here :thumbsdown: I dislike this woman even more for playing the victum here, yes life is hard growing up in abusive homes but it doesn't give anyone a Right to continue to live in a state of pity JMO :thumbsdown:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Contessa on June 14, 2011, 07:54:49 am
________________________________________
But then check out what she says here about her childhood.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-PelDdXe8
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 15, 2011, 07:30:34 am
________________________________________
Having actually watched the episode in full it does not come off as 'poor me'.
She is answering the questions as they are asked in the best way she can and in some cases more of a humorous way.
She is asked why she feels she is a failure and she says " because I am the reason my Mother left " this becomes more evident later on because she reveals she was born as a way to fix her Parents marriage.
She is asked what her Mother is like and why her Mother left and she talks about her being a very unemotional and strict person who would call her the devil child if she ever misbehaved and beat her saying " I am going to beat the devil out of you "
She was being asked why she would think it was her fault her Mother left because she was just a 12 yr old child! Sarah answered why and to me it seems because she was born to fix the marriage and she failed to that.
As for the revelation her father saying she looks like a sheep's arse it was said laughing and off the cuff.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: *Eugenie* on June 15, 2011, 08:05:51 am
________________________________________
Did anyone record the show? I can't watch it...the show is not available in my country
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 15, 2011, 08:41:17 am
________________________________________
I can send you a link to it online if you wish
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: *Eugenie* on June 15, 2011, 08:48:28 am
________________________________________
That would be awesome!
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 15, 2011, 08:58:09 am
________________________________________
Quote
She is asked why she feels she is a failure and she says " because I am the reason my Mother left " this becomes more evident later on because she reveals she was born as a way to fix her Parents marriage.
She is asked what her Mother is like and why her Mother left and she talks about her being a very unemotional and strict person who would call her the devil child if she ever misbehaved and beat her saying " I am going to beat the devil out of you "
She was being asked why she would think it was her fault her Mother left because she was just a 12 yr old child! Sarah answered why and to me it seems because she was born to fix the marriage and she failed to that.
I've always noticed that royal brides always have a miserable childhood.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 15, 2011, 03:37:21 pm
________________________________________
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I saw bits and pieces and she came off articulate and honest. Her demeanor was straight to the point and really showed signs of being really aware of her problems, mistakes and deep regrets. In an odd way, I found it rather courageous.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 15, 2011, 03:46:56 pm
________________________________________
Let's can slammed together :BFF:
me too. :
:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 15, 2011, 03:51:15 pm
________________________________________
Ok. Consider me under that chair with you. :
:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 15, 2011, 03:58:03 pm
________________________________________
I still hold some sympathy for her as I know what it is like to have such negative and unhealthy thoughts that you end up in a constant cycle of self sabotage.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 15, 2011, 04:03:27 pm
________________________________________
Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, gives a smile and a wave as she arrives at "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" ahead of her appearance
www.zimbio.com/pictures/AguAyYEBhfb/Sarah+Ferguson+Duchess+York+gives+smile+waveSarah, Duchess of York leaves the "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" studios after filming for the chat show
www.zimbio.com/pictures/Gh3aMAwfQ2i/Sarah+Duchess+York+leaves+Jimmy+Kimmel+Live/D3_hGS5j2CV/FergieIMO cash will make you act and say anything. Have conflicting feelings about Sarah at the moment. To me she's cashing in something she's been doing for years, can't change a leopards spot
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 15, 2011, 04:25:05 pm
________________________________________
^^Yes, it can, Mousie, and I lost the right to judge a lonnnnng time ago, except for WK. That is more of a mission than judgment, tho.
In my mind, if somebody has the guts to get up there and admit to mistakes and is making an honest effort to seek help, I'm good with that. I know she's done horrific things in people's minds, but so have I. I can relate, in some ways, and hopefully so can others and if it helps one person, it's worth the air time. Her daughters seem to be handling it ok and are supportive, and that's all that should really matter.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 15, 2011, 06:27:03 pm
________________________________________
I have always felt she was bashed a bit too much. Yes she has cashed in and let a man suck her toe but she hasn't ( to my knowledge) hurt anyone so for the press to say she is the most despicable woman on earth is a little extreme to say the least.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 15, 2011, 06:32:25 pm
________________________________________
Other than HM, haven't all the upper royals done something goofy or irregular since her coronation? The last 40+ years haven't been all straight-up decorum and solid unity. She's not the first to make an a$$ out of herself in the family, anyway.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 15, 2011, 06:36:33 pm
________________________________________
hurting her husband, her family when those toe sucking pictures got revealed, hurting her daughters when she plotted to sell her connection to her ex hubby, it may not be physical but emotional damage which Sarah has done is hurting people around her IMO peoples actions can hurt loved ones IMO I can't see bea and eugenie feeling delighted and full of joy when their mother and father are both in the press over scandels, it hurts me too see what these 2 young Princess have to go through as for them living it..I can't see it not be hurtful JMO
No sarah isn't the first to cash in nor will she be the last :thumbsdown: shame on them all
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 15, 2011, 10:06:33 pm
________________________________________
Quote
it hurts me too see what these 2 young Princess have to go through as for them living it..I can't see it not be hurtful JMO
The minute she was caught riding her assistant topless in front of her kids, that was when she should have been deemed an unfit mother to be around her children. After that she had no business having them around her and exposing them to all those nasty people as kids. The fact that they were pretty much booze addicts goes to show that there was a problem. Why on earth does Fergie get to be around her kids when in most commoner families, the parent would immediately lose access to her children.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Princess Alucard on June 16, 2011, 12:00:54 am
________________________________________
Anyone know where i can watch the documentary? :
: I'm only 24 and didn't know much about what was going on cuz i was young still.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 16, 2011, 12:05:49 am
________________________________________
^PA:
www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/owns-finding-sarah-finds-an-202035Quote
OWN’s Finding Sarah – a docudrama about the redemption of Sarah Ferguson, erstwhile member of the British Royal Family – premiered to solid numbers on Sunday night.
It's on Sunday night on the OWN network at 9 PST, I believe. It's channel 735 on my station, but a search of your cable company should be able to tell you.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 16, 2011, 07:39:43 am
________________________________________
Quote from: Nighthawk on June 15, 2011, 06:36:33 pm
hurting her husband, her family when those toe sucking pictures got revealed, hurting her daughters when she plotted to sell her connection to her ex hubby, it may not be physical but emotional damage which Sarah has done is hurting people around her IMO peoples actions can hurt loved ones IMO I can't see bea and eugenie feeling delighted and full of joy when their mother and father are both in the press over scandels, it hurts me too see what these 2 young Princess have to go through as for them living it..I can't see it not be hurtful JMO
No sarah isn't the first to cash in nor will she be the last :thumbsdown: shame on them all
Yes it hurt her family emotional but is she really the most despicable human being in the world? Does she deserve to be called Fatty Fergie, Duchess Of Pork ?
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2011, 08:49:27 am
________________________________________
Quote
is she really the most despicable human being in the world?
She certainly seems on a campaign for it!
Back then, she didn't deserve to be bashed, but when she started pulling the stuff she has over the past year or so, my patience is exhausted. She keeps getting on solid footing, and then blowing it. What she did with the cash for access scandal is something criminal and right before that, she had finally earned the respect she had lost so long ago. She was able to make money, make a living, something that Diana was banned from even and she has had a rent free place to live and a generous alimony. Right after, she could have gotten some solid education credentials and a solid job while writing books and she by now could have millions in the bank; with a clever accountant, next to no tax as well. She could have dated and possibly married a fabulously wealthy man and then provided a good stepfather and lived very well high on the hog for the past nearly two decades. All rightly earned.
She has blown it time and time and time again, relying on her ex, HM, her DAUGHTERS to bail her out. As far as I'm concerned I'm sick of her grubbing for sympathy.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 16, 2011, 09:24:20 am
________________________________________
I am not excusing what she has done I want to make that clear. However I can think of at least a million other people who deserve to be called the most despicable human being in the world. Starting with Dictators, Muderers, Rapists and Child Molesters
I also understand having such low self esteem that you constantly look for ways to self sabotage what you have because you do not feel you deserve it.
I also feel that she has always tried. When she was told she owed money after the divorce (which she barely received any money from) she went out and worked the best she could although she has no knowledge of finance and did not make the best decisions. She also stayed out of the UK for respect of the Queen and never did business here. Now she has had another wake up call and is seeking help and because she owes money she is doing it in front of cameras which is also a way for her to say sorry and explain her actions.
I can respect that even if I do not agree.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2011, 10:16:28 am
________________________________________
Yes; the only issue I have is the damage she's been doing to her family, mainly her daughters. Her husband is just as bad at it, with his shady connections, but Fergie has been a huge part in doing damage to the Windsors. In each reader commentary there's always a constant refrain of throwing off the Windsors with a bunch of green arrows beside it. Then there's the constant urging for HM to PLEASE strip her of her courtesy title. Waking up after damaging someone's life (like she has her daughters) and ruining her own is not going to undo the damage she's done.
The York princesses have suffered after her antics and it's a huge reason they've lost their protection.
As for being left in the wind, she has had more than enough time to get herslef together, as many womne have. She would have made a fantastic example of a woman making her way in the world and it's not like she hasn't had time and resources.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 16, 2011, 02:18:42 pm
________________________________________
Name calling isn't ok but heck we all name call WK
Sarah has brought this negivate attetion on herself IMO I'm sorry but after this last scandel with her ex and the debt she has others paying off for her...she's lost any respect I may have had for her.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 16, 2011, 04:35:42 pm
________________________________________
^^^Mousie, I'm still under the chair with you on this one. The counter attack is worse than the crime in this instance. Those diatribes are given to monsters and this woman isn't a monster, and seems to be doing her penance for it. That's more than I can say for a lot of people in this world. An apology, a heartfelt and genuine one (if that is what's going on here and it seems to be, so far), is an honorable thing to do and a good lesson for her children and anybody else out there. She deserves judgment and has admitted as such. Wasty owes the world an apology, too, for being lazy, selfish, greedy and an outright liar, but will she ever do it? No.
That is why I'm giving her some slack here. She didn't murder anybody and is trying to squeeze through the system. She didn't drown her children in a sack, or gas and slaughter millions. She's a human being with larger flaws than the average, but knows it. I'd let this one go and see how she does. 'Cast the first stone' applies here.
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Nighthawk on June 16, 2011, 04:54:05 pm
________________________________________
I will agree to disagree :flower: I'm done with this
WK hasn't killed anyone or drown any children or gassed or slaughtered anyone yet she is still racked over the coals for what Lack of working in the eyes of her beholders, or because she smiles to much or becuase of this or that, at least WK isn't so far in dept that she has to sell off her family members. WK is lucky she has eveyrone else taken care of her instead of burying Shop owners in dept because she can't pay her bill
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 16, 2011, 04:58:31 pm
________________________________________
To both Yooper and NH,
I do call Kate a few names although I usually try to refrain from some of the more extreme ones here as I am not one for name calling. It is usually Kate, Waity, WK, DD or Do Littles.
I mainly comment on her behaviour and have in some cases said such things as stupid, idiotic, self centred and snob. However the reason I am so hard on Kate is that she possesses most of the qualities I don't like in other people. She is self centred, fake, ignorant and a liar.
I only ever say those things when angry, exasperated or in a foul mood but the Press who have such a huge platform and who can take hours to report should not resort to call another person such cruel things as they have.
I would give Kate alot of slack if she would take responsibility for her actions rather then constantly blame others.
The reason Sarah has gotten more respect from me then Kate is because she has taken responsibility and has always tried to do better even if she has failed.
To me that is the major difference.
Sarah may be exasperating to watch but she is certainly not the most despicable human being in the world. I can only think of 2 people I could call that without guilt or hesitation (Hitler and Jim Jones)
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: Yooper on June 16, 2011, 05:04:55 pm
________________________________________
Thanks, Mousie. You said that better than I. WK never takes personal responsibility and SF HAS, openly, so I give her a +1 on that.
Don't forget Charlie Manson, MK, who costs the CA taxpayer to keep alive at approx $1m a year; probably more now, but that's 40+ years for a truly despicable human being. The Most Despicable Human Being in the World is a gross miscarriage in print, in this case, towards Sarah. That was my point as well.
But, NH, we just agree to disagree. I do see your point. I really do. :flower:
________________________________________
Title: Re: Sarah and Oprah: "Finding Sarah" Doc
Post by: mousiekins on June 16, 2011, 05:24:42 pm
________________________________________
I am not a fan of his either Yooper. I did not know the cost for you to keep him alive, maybe I should not complain about the Royals lol (sorry bad joke).
Manson would be in the top 10 but Jim and Hitler win (well loose) the title's.
Back on topic, In the doc Sarah said her children have turned out solid because they had learnt from her mistakes which I guess is the silver lining to her mistake.
I also thought it was interesting when they interviewed Bea and Eugenie that they said they had never watched the Sting video
:eyes:
tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton