Title: Fire sales of boots like those of Kate Middleton
Post by: Fernanda Nunes on April 18, 2011, 03:45:24 pm
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Fire sales of boots like those of Kate Middleton
According to British newspaper, product sales grew 663%
Kate Middleton has not even turned princess, but it's the queen of all newspapers, magazines and fashion trends, and have a real fascination for the British.
According to the Daily Telegraph, sales of knee-high boots have grown considerably thanks to the future princess. Most women of England, especially Liverpool, who want the model Kate had used, which caused an increase of 663% in sales.
Also according to the press, the fact does not transform the future princess in a fashion icon. But it is impossible to deny the influence it has on women in that country, and soon to become a figure equal to or as strong as Lady Di, "mother" of Kate.
The royal wedding will happen on April 29.
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Title: Re: Fire sales of boots like those of Kate Middleton
Post by: Magnolia on April 19, 2011, 05:43:30 am
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Just like that boring coat she wore and the rest of her clothes.Because of her they sold out ,yeah :rolleyes: when it's a fact they sold out way before she bought them or years ahead. :wopedo:
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Title: Re: Fire sales of boots like those of Kate Middleton
Post by: True Brit on April 19, 2011, 10:37:55 am
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Huh? They're boots. Just boots everyone has got some and many have some just like Waity wears. I give up.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 20, 2011, 03:46:06 am
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Four dresses for £225: Is this Kate's High Street honeymoon wardrobe?
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She may be able to afford haute couture, but yesterday Kate Middleton showed that she is just as happy in the high street.
She popped into the middle-market Warehouse shop on King’s Road, Chelsea, and spent a distinctly thrifty £225 on four summer fashion items.
She arrived with a bodyguard at 4.30pm yesterday and spent around 20 minutes in the shop. Shop staff said Kate’s outfits were a size 8. ‘She was really nice and friendly,’ said one assistant.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1378690/Royal-Wedding-2011-Is-Kate-Middletons-High-Street-honeymoon-wardrobe.html#ixzz1K1lGA25uThey keep making her out to be so down to earth, but I think that she is gritting her teeth that she can't get a designer wardrobe of couture items that she would love to have instead of shopping 'normally,' and buying 'normal' items. I bet she geos over couture catalouges, dreaming of buying a suit for a thousand or so pounds and then ordering a dozen of the same. Besides, the choices she made look cheap and inelegant and she disgusts me that she is still wearing such ridiculously low necklines.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Magnolia on April 20, 2011, 08:23:58 am
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If she asks William to buy her expensive clothes he'll probably only buy discounted ones like that car he will get her.What do you expect he's treating her like how he saw her on the catwalk cheap and rightly so.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 20, 2011, 10:14:55 pm
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Doesn't she get tired of low necklines all the time? It's so overdone.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on April 21, 2011, 05:09:42 pm
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fashion.telegraph.co.uk/galleries/TMG8453671/Kate-Middletons-knee-high-boot-love-affair-in-pictures.htmlAs Middleton fashion fever sees sales of knee-high boots soar by 663 per cent in April, we chart her obsession with said footwear.
Like her relationship with Prince William, Middleton's relationship with knee-highs has had more ups than downs...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 21, 2011, 06:32:08 pm
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They weren't entirely knee high, if you look at them, mainly calf high.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on April 21, 2011, 09:35:09 pm
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Here on in the merch thread?
Anyway
www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20483792,00.html
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on April 22, 2011, 10:38:02 pm
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www.nowmagazine.co.uk/gallery/gallery-specials/33134/1/0/new-pictures-celebrity-hair-kate-middleton-a-princess-in-the-making/1/Celebrity hair: Kate Middleton - a princess in the making
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 05, 2011, 06:25:32 am
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www.company.co.uk/fashion/look/kate-middleton-style-historycheckswag.com/2011/04/13/kate-middleton-changed-her-style-to-make-william-and-country-like-her-more-kate-gets-inspired-by-diana%E2%80%99s-looks/Kate Middleton has not always been perfect in terms of fashion. She was girlie, sometimes tasteless and too daring. But her love to William has changed her. She understood that if she hadn’t changed both internally and externally she would never be his wife, and the Queen of England. She had to embrace new type of behavior and new style, more appropriate for the status she aspired to.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 05, 2011, 08:28:12 am
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Kate hasn't changed though. She has not become a different person and as for her appropriate style, she certainly did not look it the day or so after her wedding. She looked like she belonged at Palm Beach or somewhere other than a Palace. William looked regal in chinos and a sweater vest and nice shirt, but Kate looked like she belonged at a resort.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Sidney on May 06, 2011, 10:14:46 am
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These are from the Spanish magazine "QMD!":
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Sidney on May 06, 2011, 12:58:52 pm
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Sidney on May 07, 2011, 03:15:30 pm
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Spanish magazine 'Lecturas'
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Nighthawk on May 08, 2011, 07:22:21 pm
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Kate Middleton's L.K. Bennett wedges to be relaunched
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 09, 2011, 02:47:03 am
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^^^ even if Kate hadn't worn those wedges, I'd never be seen wearing anything of the sort. Patent leather look with straw looking heel? :- I had mentioned before that Kate doesn't seem able to pair textures appropriately when dressing and these shoes are a perfect example of a fashion faux pas and design disaster. Kind of like a mullet, business up front, party in the back!
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Nighthawk on May 09, 2011, 06:31:
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LIZ JONES
FASHION THERAPY
The big day was a week ago, but for the brands Kate wore, celebrations are only just beginningBy Liz Jones
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1384877/Royal-wedding-For-brands-Kate-Middleton-wore-celebrations-just-beginning.html#ixzz1LpXjm2tv________________________________________
Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 09, 2011, 07:19:09 am
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Quote from: Earth Angel on May 09, 2011, 02:47:03 am
^^^ even if Kate hadn't worn those wedges, I'd never be seen wearing anything of the sort. Patent leather look with straw looking heel? :- I had mentioned before that Kate doesn't seem able to pair textures appropriately when dressing and these shoes are a perfect example of a fashion faux pas and design disaster. Kind of like a mullet, business up front, party in the back!
I HATE shiney leather, it looks SO TACKY!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Magnolia on May 10, 2011, 02:45:33 am
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I understand you got the sheep out there.But why would you want to dress like Lazy a fashion victim don't you want to look good not worse.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Nighthawk on May 24, 2011, 08:30:08 pm
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Kate Middleton shows that this Sloane obsession with fake tan has got to stop
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 24, 2011, 10:17:15 pm
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How irritating; she is either way addicted to too much tanning and what not. She looked out of place, utterly out of place there. She dresses cheaply, either to be down to earth for the DM, or because William isn't letting her out of Anglesy with the credit cards.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Nighthawk on May 25, 2011, 12:57:10 am
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Rush to buy Kate Middleton's 'Shola' dress crashes Reiss website
www.news.com.au/business/kate-middleton-shola-dress-crashes-reiss-website-michelle-obama-buckingham-palace/story-e6frfm1i-1226062376998#ixzz1NJjv1SMgshaking my head once more
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Yooper on May 25, 2011, 01:03:57 am
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What astonishes me is that I saw a photo of JLo taken in that same dress, in a different color, from 2007 somewhere today, surfing! When the style was hot. Who ARE these sheep? Or are the PR department people buying up all the dresses, because I haven't seen a woman wearing ONE thing that Wasty's supposedly 'sold out'.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Magnolia on May 25, 2011, 01:10:06 am
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I think it' s all lies by the departments so people can buy them.There's no way that dress sold out in like a day just because of Lazy Bones.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 25, 2011, 02:11:21 am
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I remember back in 07 when Kate wore the Cannabis dress on her 25th birthday and the DM rang a Topshop store to see how the dress was doing sale wise. The Shop Worker said there was none in so the DM printed that it was sold out as everyone was buying the dress. In fact the real story was JUST that one store had none it others stores did and in fact the only reason the store had none in was because they were in between shipments it had nothing to do with Kate.
It is also like with the Reiss dress the DM said the dress was sold out and it was from 2 years ago when the dress was being sold. It was nothing to do with Kate but the fact the dress was stopped being produced 2 years ago!
It is spin.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 25, 2011, 02:27:30 am
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Quite typical of Kate, nothing but a bunch of chaotic spin whirling around her.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Yooper on May 25, 2011, 05:05:12 am
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So, Mousie, knower of all, when DO you know something is really true regarding the BRF, unlike deaths or divorce that are actually documented? Is there some magic language pattern that we here in the States don't understand? We have the same issues here, but are well aware of the agendas each talking head has, so we have learned to filter what is true and what is not, or what is debatable.
For instance, if the Reiss dress sold out in the US because, oh, let's see, Madonna was seen in it. We would call the manufacturer, IF it was made in the States or any main department store customer service and get a straight answer. We really would because it's good business. Would the same apply to Reiss and if it was found out that it was false and the dress was sold 2 years ago, would that get corrected in print or broadcasted on the web as it would be here, so as not to mislead, business-wise?
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 25, 2011, 07:42:04 am
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Prudent princess in £175 dress shows wife of President and PM that style doesn't need to cost a lot
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But, while the Duchess did not disappoint - stepping out in a £175 Reiss dress for her first post-wedding engagement - both Michelle Obama and Samantha Cameron decided to show off their style credentials in designer items that cost more than six times that amount.
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By contrast, Michelle Obama's Barbara Tfank dress is so exclusive, it is not even available online.
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Los Angeles-based designer Tfank's dresses retail at around £1,400 - almost 10 times what Catherine's dress cost. And as Michelle's pale blue flor@l Fifties gown was customised especially for her - a bow was removed from the Resort 2011 collection gown's waist - it would be worth considerably more.
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The Prime Minister's wife looked more summery, as she stood in the sunshine, than her American counterpart.
Samantha Cameron was very on trend, wearing a blue dress by Peter Pilotto with white panelling over the bust.
The dress which was loaned to her will have set the owner back about £1,000 and is the perfect inspiration for Catherine should she ever choose to abandon the High Street and opt for a designer dress.
Perhaps Michelle decided to go all out ot show some respect to her hosts? Perhaps Samantha looked nice and Kate looked too tan and she should have looked more homey, more frilly.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 25, 2011, 04:39:01 pm
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Quote from: Yooper on May 25, 2011, 05:05:12 am
So, Mousie, knower of all, when DO you know something is really true regarding the BRF, unlike deaths or divorce that are actually documented? Is there some magic language pattern that we here in the States don't understand? We have the same issues here, but are well aware of the agendas each talking head has, so we have learned to filter what is true and what is not, or what is debatable.
For instance, if the Reiss dress sold out in the US because, oh, let's see, Madonna was seen in it. We would call the manufacturer, IF it was made in the States or any main department store customer service and get a straight answer. We really would because it's good business. Would the same apply to Reiss and if it was found out that it was false and the dress was sold 2 years ago, would that get corrected in print or broadcasted on the web as it would be here, so as not to mislead, business-wise?
The press is lazy and rarely does any research. They many do research but then spin it to their own agenda. There is 'magic language' which involves us the reader reading between the lines. It takes more work which is annoying though.
For the 2007 dress there was a statement over a year later which was just a sentence in another article buried in the middle which was all of " which was actually not sold out just in need of restock in that store". It was later touched upon in a tv interview but it is impossible to find either now.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Alexandrine on May 25, 2011, 07:38:54 pm
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Kate Middleton's Reiss dress will not be reissued when stock runs out
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The Duchess of Cambridge managed to crash the Reiss website with eager fans wanting to snap up the beige coloured dress which has now sold out online and in the US with limited stock available in the UK.
Only three stores in the UK still had the dress in stock when we called this afternoon.
However, when asked if Reiss would be ordering in new stock to cope with the huge demand, a spokesman for Reiss said: "At this time there are no plans to reissue the Reiss Shola Dress."
www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/25/kate-middleton-s-reiss-dress-will-not-be-reissued-when-stock-runs-out-115875-23156716/________________________________________
Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Magnolia on May 26, 2011, 01:24:03 am
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The vile press is making it seem the clothes she wears are not expensive.A dress that cost 100 pounds and up or for one piece of outfit is not cheap especially in this economic time.I guess they are trying to spin her as being a regular woman like everyone else out there.Now if she wore a 20.00 pound,dollar dress,blouse or anything and she rocked it maybe the spin would be bought.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 26, 2011, 01:41:23 am
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Very true, I could never spend that much on a dress! Nothing she wears is cheap and the brands she wears are not found on every highstreet, London maybe but they are not regular highstreet stuff. It is false advertising she is not wearing normal highstreet inexpensive clothes she is wearing expensive, exclusive and rich people clothes.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Nighthawk on May 26, 2011, 03:03:51 pm
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KATE MIDDLETON THE REAL QUEEN OF SHOPS
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/248826/Kate-Middleton-the-Real-queen-of-Shops________________________________________
Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 26, 2011, 03:21:09 pm
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^^^ :rolleyes: It doesn't really matter to me how much her clothes cost or if their name brands, she still looks cheap and oftentimes tawdry. Nothing above the knee can be considered "classic elegance", as the writer of the article wants to lead one to believe. ...
I say, all the power to her for not falling into the branding trap. However, Kate is definitely no style icon and elevating her to such is an outright exaggeration. The UK and the world at large would be interested in anyone William married. It's not because she's Kate, it's because she's William's wife. No one needs Kate except William. To this point, Kate's no one in her own right on the world stage and if fashion is the only way she's got to get noticed, that's too bad for her. :wellduh:
"Fashion Ambassador" :laugh:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 26, 2011, 03:34:01 pm
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:thumbsup:
She is yet to be a person and is only an appendage
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 26, 2011, 04:24:56 pm
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If she had the credit card, I am more than sure that Kate would happily be maxing the cards out at Chanel, Gucci, Oldfield, and other places with no qualms whatsoever. The stuff isn't cheap, but it is certainly not couture like Kate is hankering after to wear. She looked elegant, but not stately and certainly not like a royal princess, in a princessy suit with fluffs and frills.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Yooper on May 26, 2011, 05:35:21 pm
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^^^^^^^Thanks, Mousie! I wondered how other countries handle erroneous info. Good to know.
Fashion Ambassador! That is a good laugh. I'll have to dig to support this, but her little clutch was more expensive than the dress and had her initials on it, so it was custom made and entirely useless for the occasion. To me, she looked visibly uncomfortable in that odd meeting with Prez/M O.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 26, 2011, 05:41:35 pm
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To me, she looked visibly uncomfortable in that odd meeting with Prez/M O.
I doubt that she had anything to say and she was dressed all wrong for it, more chic than feminine and elegant. She should have dressed in something frilly and feminine and Samantha was dressed well, as was Michelle.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: The Alley Cat... on May 26, 2011, 06:34:36 pm
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To be perfectly honest, I highly doubt President and First Lady Obama really cared. They were there for the Queen, not for William and Kate. They did host a dinner for the Queen, not William and Kate.
Kate wasted a really good philanthropic opportunity to get involved with Michelle's "Get Moving" program. She could [have] oversee the UK chapter of the program and encourage children to join more team and club sports as a way to boost self mor@l and reduce bullying by being a team player.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Yooper on May 26, 2011, 07:07:39 pm
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I agree with you both (KF, AC). That dress of hers keeps being described as 'sexy', which it kinda was, but how inappropriate.
Anyway, YES, she totally missed a ginormous opportunity not showing support for the "Get Moving" program and overseeing the UK chapter to encourage children, as you stated. It would have been a giant leap from fashion princess to globally aware and also a grand opp to promote diplomatic ties by showing some interest, visibly, in Mrs. Obama's activities, especially with their upcoming visit to the US creeping up on us. After the glitter is swept up, this will be remembered by the astute. Diana would've been all over this.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 26, 2011, 07:24:29 pm
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If the Prime Minister's wife is out there more than the royal, then there is no need for a royal is there? She should have been in flounces and frills.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 26, 2011, 07:31:35 pm
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I don't see the point of their meeting with William and Kate. It was so out of place and useless.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: ermilinda on May 26, 2011, 07:48:20 pm
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yes it is sad that Kate can only pull off sexy ... not classy.
yes it is sad that most woman want pippa's a## and not her face.
yes kate and pippa are fashion... oh f#ck forgot what I was suppose to say :unsure:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 26, 2011, 07:52:41 pm
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yes it is sad that Kate can only pull off sexy ... not classy.
It's all she knows, poor thing. I really pity her in that respect, being kept as his mistress and then practically reduced to begging via the press for a ring, ANY ring and then not even getting a new one.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: ermilinda on May 26, 2011, 07:53:35 pm
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:interview: ............fashion icons.... :cookie:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Yooper on May 26, 2011, 08:09:45 pm
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www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/26/miranda-sawyer-why-is-michelle-obama-so-cool-because-she-doesn-t-even-have-to-try-115875-23157139/Quote
Bright and big within Buck House, she out-cools Wills and Kate, who fade into the background like Mr and Mrs ¬Beiger-than-Beige.
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Think of how she throws herself around for her national Let’s Move campaign against childhood obesity, doing exercises on the lawn at the White House with athletes and performing dance routines.
Now try to imagine Sam Cam or Princess Kate or Carla Bruni or any other young wife of a head of state doing such a thing. They wouldn’t.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: scarlett on May 26, 2011, 08:15:53 pm
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She can't even pull off sexy very well imo. She looks like an emaciated mummy in that dress.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: ermilinda on May 26, 2011, 10:30:19 pm
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....and now we are to believe that Michelle Obama out cools the youngsters?..... who the f#ck is run'n this train?... cuzz its obviously on track crazy. Where's Paris Hilton? :interview: :camera:
... so why did they meet seprately from the rest of the Firm?... & why not at the dinner....
:think: I know... maybe we should ask Yoopers friend .... you know, the one with the sex tape... that no has seen :laugh:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 27, 2011, 03:30:15 am
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She might prefer, as some have suggested, the minimalist style, but she should have been dressed in something more substantial, since it's simply how royal women have always dressed for their engagements. She isn't supposed to look businesslike, she's a royal duchess, like Diana was a princess; she should have worn something summery and a nice, large hat. It's how she's supposed to dress, who would not like to dress all nice and feminine and fluffy?
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I realize this is off topic, but to follow up on what Alley Cat and KF mentioned: It's obvious to me that Kate's style isn't princess frilly, grand ball gowns, or lavish jewels. I don't think anyone limited her, I think she limited herself, as she does carry off a minimalist style. Sure you can say it's because she cannot afford the bling or couture, but honestly, I know people with less money whose priorities are all for showcasing the designer brands and extravagent jewels. That's just not Kate, no matter how much you'd like to think she is somehow being punished by the royal family. What you would prefer to see or think she would prefer to display is quite different from her reality, that much I'm sure of. ...
No way; she flaunts what she has and has always done that since day one. I think william or a courtier is telling her how to dress and William is indeed keeping her on a short financial leash.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 03:57:02 am
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^^^ I agree she flaunts her body, but she hasn't flaunted jewelry, ever, to my knowledge, until she got Diana's ring. And let's be honest here, who wouldn't flaunt their engagement ring? Also, she had the perfect opportunity to wear a nice necklace and put back on the tiara for the evening reception and she did neither. You can't tell me that's because she cannot afford to do so, as she most certainly could have done that. ...
I think Kate flaunts her life of privilege but she does not use clothing or jewelry to define her social status and she never has done so, imo. Sure she dresses more expensively than most could afford but she does not wear clothing befitting a millionaires lifestyle, which I'm sure her parents could have afforded her all these years if she had wanted to do so.
I agree to disagree because her pattern of behavior says otherwise and I see no evidence that she has been wanting to appear extravagent or ostentatious. If so, she would have worn at least one piece of high end, expensive couture clothing prior to her wedding day and she has not, to my knowledge. That's not the behavior of a woman you describe. ...
And if anyone can point me in the direction of some evidence that refutes my perspective (ie: a couture piece of clothing or obvious flaunting of jewelry prior to the engagment ring), I will be more than willing To admit I am wrong.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 27, 2011, 04:48:03 am
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I'm sure that she would love to go to balls, whihc would be the perfect excuse to wear couture.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 05:34:02 am
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I thought the same thing KF, but then she didn't when she had the perfect chance, her dinner reception, so :dontknow: now. Even I would have at least worn a fancy necklace just because I could, and I'm not even a big fan of all that extravagent royal jewelry. Since the engagement, Kate can walk into any fine jewelry store in London and borrow whatever she wants. Fergie didn't wait until she was married to do so. And I'm sure she could have borrowed a necklace from the royal collection. ... It will be interesting to see if Kate does start behaving differently, regarding fashion, but up until now, her pattern has really been a minimalist one, so far as I can tell. ...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Varya on May 27, 2011, 06:17:49 am
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While her fashion may be "minimalist" it's also incredibly boring.... minimalism has it's place, but so does dressing for the occasion. Kate imo, cannot do either correctly.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 27, 2011, 06:21:46 am
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her dinner reception, so
Her parents were paying for her dresses, not the RF or taxpayer. As for borrowing from a store or the royal collection, the Sovereign is the one who gives permission to get jewels from the Collection and for Kate to go to a jewelry store and outright ask, that would be vulgar and seen as cashing in on her connection as a future royal wife and she had to be careful not to be seen as doing that. I'm sure that if she could get away with it, she would be out maxing out the credit card and also racking up sales at jewel shops. She's being kept out on a tight leash because of William's thrifitness and disinterest in duties, the horrific economy would trigger a horrible backlash if hse were out at designer's houses getting measured for new gowns and still doing her usual shopping routine.
As a non-royal she could get away with having fun and living the luxe life since it wasn't her job to really placate the mob or the press. But now, as a royal, she can't live life according to her own whims and wishes in that respect. She has the world to dance on, but at the moment, the world stage is not in a good condition to smile as she tapdances on it dressed in couture. It was to Diana because things really weren't all that bad during the eighties and as we all know, money was literally running like water in and out of bank accounts. These days so many sources of income are drying up and there would be riots if Kate were to waltz around the shops and come out loaded with shopping bags.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Leila on May 27, 2011, 11:37:04 am
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Quote from: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 03:57:02 am
^^^ I agree she flaunts her body, but she hasn't flaunted jewelry, ever, to my knowledge,
She doesn't have the money to buy expensive clothes, let alone jewellery.
The Midds might be well off but they don't have that sort of money. not buy a long stretch.
Even the allowance she will get now won't be enough for bling. And while she only makes appearances here and there they will keep her on a short leash for clothes, too.
And as has been said before, HM is control of the royal jewellery collection so WK has no choice but to be minimalist.
IMO, if she could she'd be flaunting anything she could get her hands on.
And I disagree that anyone would flaunt their engagement ring. I think it's completely tacky and inappropiate.
KF, I don't mind buiseness like. The problem is that WK doesn't do that, the closest she got was 'sexy air hostess'. What she wants to dress as is 'sexy celebrity' and that is just totally wrong for a member of the RF.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: June on May 27, 2011, 12:56:48 pm
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I have stated for years that Kate has 'flaunted' her body, even back when the press and public accused her of being dowdy. As told ad nauseam, I grew up in a very conservative home, and was not allowed to wear skimpy, revealing or tight clothing, revealing the shape of intimate body parts. I just was not allowed to own that kind of clothing. So, even as an adult, I respect the way my parents raised me. I, like my mother, just think it is vulgar at worst, and unladylike at best, anyway.
Kate used to wear figure-hugging, very tight jeans to the polo. Now, there is nothing wrong with that for an ordinary woman, but for someone in Kate's position, I was disappointed, frankly. bignono She could of course have worn jeans that were less revealing - and there are plenty of styles out there, especially for skinny people.
When Kate first came on the scene, she wore lady-like frocks, which did not emphasise her body shape. That is when I liked Kate the most: she had decent weight on her, she looked fresh and pretty and not like she was "on the make". Regrettably, something changed overall with her fashion choices. She decided, I suppose, that in order to keep William's interest, she had to dress like a tart, since he was known to be attracted that kind of risque woman.
I don't recall seeing Kate in a really nice dress in recent times, one which did not show off her boney knees.
EA: I can see how you would draw your conclusion, but perhaps it's a matter of perspective. Those Issa dresses Kate has worn are not cheap, by any stretch - and Kate has worn them for every day occasions. Exhibit A: that famous day she went shopping, just a week prior to the wedding. I don't think those dresses she wore to the charity boxing matches were cheap clobber either. :rolleyes:
Kate uses VERY expensive handbags too. I would argue that she has the type of bags many affluent people use. And, since she was cloistered in Berkshire for months at a time, under press protection, how do we know what designer clobber she was flaunting? Maybe this Miss Frugality image is just an act to fool the public. :think:
I agree with Leila: I doubt her parents had the money to send her across the channel to the Chanel catwalk shows every reason. :whistle: But even if they could, it would have been stopped by William. That would have put her in the limelight a little too much for his liking - and for the wrong reasons ... the girl was never that foolish as to blow all her chances for the sake of a couture frock. Plus, since she has no real style, I doubt it interested her much. Couture tends to be classy, not trashy, the style Kate favours, IMO (with the exception of the Issa dresses, which can be nice if worn in the correct size, IMO). :whistle:
I really think that Kate just doesn't have the style to wear really high-end designer labels in any case, but I don't think it's because she has humility at all. Other factors are at play.
I think that in her position, she should be told not to flaunt the ring now, as it's getting really old, and is very juvenile. She comes across as someone who just won the lottery every time she is photographed - very un-regal.
As for the jewellery: I suppose she's gotten used to not really wearing any. After all, William only bought her cheap junk, from memory. :sigh: The reality is: she probably doesn't want anything to detract from her body, which she apparently loves. :rolleyes:
Leila: 'sexy celebrity' indeed! :KEZZA:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 06:28:46 pm
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I agree June, with the body flaunting. However, if Kate is tacky and inappropriate, as Leila stated, and she is juvenile for flaunting her ring, as you stated, then HM or any other royal whom drips of jewels is just the same. And none of them have stopped buying the couture, so I find it hard to believe anyone would limit Kate. William's suits are far more expensive than Kate's clothing. The European royals aren't holding back in these times of austerity. Is it expected that Kate not wear the ring now or not talk with her hands? William was also talking with his hands when visiting with the Obama's, he just wasn't wearing a ring. If he had one on, would he have been considered flaunting his ring also?
Although Kate has manly looking hands, that ring is beautiful, no matter whose it was first. I personally think she shouldn't have been given Diana's ring, and it is irritating to me, but William gave it to her, thus it is going to be on display for many years to come. Also, let's not forget that the media has made a point to focus in on the ring in some pictures. ...
One could say I flaunt my hands. My hands are said to be "gorgeous", always impeccably manicured, and I often wear noticably nice rings, although not nearly as expensive or noticeable as Kate's engagement ring. I talk with my hands and they are one of my best assets, so I make sure they look appealing. Perhaps because I do not flaunt other aspects of my body, I tend to do so with my hands. And I'm most certainly not a showy person. Also, I never said every woman would do so, but I highly doubt any woman would
their engagement ring and not want to show it to others. It's not a matter of humility, imo, but a matter of priorities. I don't let my clothing or jewelry define my social status (which is rather modest), and I don't think Kate does either. Any of you would be hard pressed to find even one person whom knows me to say I'm tacky, inappropriate, and/or juvenile. Besides, people often ask to look at fine quality jewelry, which has made me sometimes uncomfortable, but am I (or Kate for that matter) supposed to keep such jewelry in a box after receiving it, so as to not appear in a negative light? ...
It is a matter of perspective and I'm trying to see Kate for Kate here, not just assume the worst of her just because I disapprove of some of the things she does. It's not so black and white in my mind. And I know people that come to mind when I read some posts describing Kate, but in reality they act much differently than Kate appears to act. Perhaps the minimalism, which I agree she doesn't do well, is a PR stunt. However, I'm not buying into your arguments. Kate is many things, but I don't believe that ostentatious or extravagent are on her list. It takes a certain mindset, as obviously displayed through behaviors, and Kate is not and has not acted as such, she's acted consistently to the contrary, over an 8 year period. For someone with the mindset described on this forum as Kate's mind set, high end clothing and gorgeous jewelry would have been an obsession of sorts. ... Over a recap of the last 8 years, she's not let her clothing or jewelry define her social status and that is the key to her perspective, for me. And it is her perspective I'm trying to see when judging her, no one elses. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I'm not going to believe she's being held back or kept on a short leash. ...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: June on May 27, 2011, 06:47:57 pm
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :flower:
I have presented evidence, but you have chosen to not accept it, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
With respect, we are not discussing you or other royals, we are discussing Kate, Duchess of Do-Little. Kate hasn't, to my mind, earned any right to flaunt anything, as IMO, she's a very lazy, unaccomplished woman and very new to being royal. The only piece of jewellery to which I was referring is the engagement ring anyway. I don't see other royals talking with their hands, showing off engagement rings. :rolleyes:
It's a moot point you made, and your submission is off, IMO, because I, for one, was absolutely not discussing her right to wear any crown jewels at all. I would not accuse her of flaunting anything if she strutted in with a tiara on her head. It's the significance of the engagement ring which astounds.
I respect your right to form an opinion, but please do not jump to conclusions about what my submissions are. And, for the record, you have absolutely NO idea why Kate doesn't "flaunt" any jewellery. Perhaps she really wants to, but is held back, for example? :dontknow:
And, with respect, you don't know how she presents herself in private. There was a press ban in place for years, so no one knew what she wore most of the time.
Also, I never stated that Kate lets her 'clothing or jewelry define her social status'. Where did I state that? I simply stated that IMO her clothing choices are those that even affluent persons would purchase, including her handbags. I did agree that she never got around in Chanel et al attire, from what we know, but it's taking a huge leap forward to submit that she has been in any way humble, ergo, not 'ostentatious or extravagant' because of her choice in clothing and lack of jewels. That, you just don't know, by reason that there are too many unknowns.
I also take notice of the smaller things, like her expensive boots and bags. Granted, she didn't flaunt the Prada label on her riding boots, but I'm just not seeing it your way, sorry. :sorry:
But you are right, I probably do have a biased mindset regarding this woman. But, as you say, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence as to why I should give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Alexandrine on May 27, 2011, 06:56:13 pm
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EA have you seen this photo (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/24/article-1390363-0C3DD95A00000578-688_306x602.jpg)? She is looking right at the camera and flounting her ring :KEZZA: That's not talking with your hands imo.
And with previous photos like this I have formed the opinion that she likes to flaunt her engagement ring. Although I think it's not because of it being a expensive bauble but because it was Di's and it's the symbol that means that she is in. :cookie:
I don't thin she wears the clothes that she does because the queen doesn't want to pay for couture. William has a lot of money so I don't think money is a problem. Imo it's a PR stunt like other princesses do. Look at Leti, she only wears cheap clothes from Mango or Zara.
I think her style is also like this to fit into the aristo and royal set. :think:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 07:05:31 pm
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June, I was having a back and forth conversation with KF prior to you specifically responding to me. I continued on with the same line of argument as the context of said conversation where I asked for anyone to give evidence of her purchase of high end couture clothing or where she has flaunted jewelry prior to the engagment ring. The Issa dresses you refer to are not couture and well under $1000.00 each. Her family could have afforded more high end if it was indeed a priority. I didn't realize you had changed the context of the conversation, which had included the whole of her wardrobe and the submission by others that Kate is not being allowed to dress the way she wants or wear jewels that she would like. Thus, I would say your post was "off" the mark in reference to said conversation I had been engaging in.
I agree to disagree, yet the same could be said for everyone whom claims the opposite of me. There is nothing but conjecture on either side of the argument. And I'm not going to assume the worst. Life experience is not a moot point, imo. ...
I understand where you're coming from and accept your perspective. I respect your opinion, but when my own experience, combined with my knowledge seems otherwise, I am most certainly going to speak my mind. My last post does not stand on its own, but is a continuation of my previous posts in this topic. Just as Kate's behaviors didn't start when she got engaged, as there have been plenty of public displays caught on camera to base an argument on, press ban or not. Like I stated, you could be right, it could be all an act. I didn't say you were wrong, I just stated that I don't see sufficient evidence for me, from my perspective, to draw such a conclusion. :flower:
Alexandrine, I agree she flaunts her engagement ring. I never said she didn't. And I do think it's somewhat irritating. Yet that's not enogh for me to conclude she's ostentatious. I had previously written that such behaviors have not been a pattern of behavior over the long term. I also previous noted that it will be interesting to see if Kate's behavior changes, to more frequent displays like the flaunting of her engagement ring, which would inevitably make me change my mind. ...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: June on May 27, 2011, 07:29:51 pm
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:sorry: I'm sorry if I was responding to something that I shouldn't have.
I think we are going in circles, but I do get your point. As I stated 2 posts ago, it's about 'perspective'. You don't think that wearing a AUD $2000 dress to shop is ostentatious, yet I do. That's what this gets down to: perspective. With respect, again, you make a lot of presumptions. You just don't know that her family had the money to purchase couture.
I don't believe I 'changed the context' at all, by reason that I was responding to your post. :think: I made the points regarding "why" she may not wear certain clothing by reason that you are making assumptions about her mor@l code or character. If someone is said to not be 'ostentatious', it makes a statement about their substance. So, it was most certainly relevant, unless you caveat your post by stating otherwise. :flower: Yes, of course, we are all having opinions, but to make a sweeping statement, in Kate's favour, about what clothes she wears, IMO, is drawing a long bow. So be it, that is your choice. But, as you can see, I'll call it too.
You have revealed that you are 'not going to assume the worst', ergo, you have made this thread, and your submissions about more that couture or not. That is my point. I had to address that.
I stated that your point was 'moot' regarding other royals or yourself. I do not know you, so how can I comment on why you do what you do? You were extrapolating my posts, or at least I thought you were, and drawing conclusions I did not make. However, that was perhaps because of an overlap. :flower:
Re the press ban: it doesn't matter how many photos you have seen of Kate. The fact remains that until last November, she was a private citizen, and we had NO idea how she presented herself around Berkshire or anywhere else.
It's a good thing that you 'speak your mind', I have no problem with that and welcome it. :thumbsup: I just didn't want to engage in what other royals do, what jewels they wear, and frankly, what you do with your hands when you speak or what 'fine' jewels you own. It's irrelevant to this thread - and to me, with respect. I can't compare you to Kate. If KF wants to discuss that, it's her prerogative.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 08:20:47 pm
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June, the context was pragmatic and indeed much different than yours, thus my obvious misunderstanding of the purpose in your response. Yet there's no need to apologize. The following article was what became the theme and the article in itself is pragmatic, lending to our pragmatic banter. And as you can see from the following quotes, I did not turn this into a conversation about couture or other royals, as you have stated, I engaged in ideation of that nature. And I think it is relative to this thread, considering the sheep whom are dressing like Kate and want to be like her. Afterall, Kate's fashion is being marketed to others and talked about extensively in this thread. And I, as well as others have mentioned or life experiences when judging Kate, with me stating that I'm not going to conclude negatively on a behavior that I myself do with different motives than ascribed to her. that would be hypocritical of me. Besides, human behavior is always relevent to consumerism, imo.
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KATE MIDDLETON THE REAL QUEEN OF SHOPS
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/248826/Kate-Middleton-the-Real-queen-of-ShopsKF:
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If she had the credit card, I am more than sure that Kate would happily be maxing the cards out at Chanel, Gucci, Oldfield, and other places with no qualms whatsoever. The stuff isn't cheap, but it is certainly not couture like Kate is hankering after to wear. She looked elegant, but not stately and certainly not like a royal princess, in a princessy suit with fluffs and frills.
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I doubt that she had anything to say and she was dressed all wrong for it, more chic than feminine and elegant. She should have dressed in something frilly and feminine and Samantha was dressed well, as was Michelle.
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She should have been in flounces and frills.
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She might prefer, as some have suggested, the minimalist style, but she should have been dressed in something more substantial, since it's simply how royal women have always dressed for their engagements. She isn't supposed to look businesslike, she's a royal duchess, like Diana was a princess; she should have worn something summery and a nice, large hat. It's how she's supposed to dress, who would not like to dress all nice and feminine and fluffy?
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I'm sure that she would love to go to balls, whihc would be the perfect excuse to wear couture.
As you can see what I responded to, I was not the one to state Kate wants couture but just can't afford it or is not allowed to purchase such. There are other posts somewhere which refer to how Kate must feel since HM is "undoubtedly" limiting Kate's access to royal jewels while other royals get to wear them, but I don't have time to find them right now. Anyway, I did not, out of the blue, feel the need to defend Kate. That is not what I was doing. I was simply stating that one could draw another conclusion than this because this line of thinking has no more relevence than my own. If you look back through my posts, I discuss both sides and am not convince that the way KF sees it is indeed the reality of the situation and them I presented reasons to support why I see it differently. I don't think I'm the one drawing the long bow here, as I have made no defintive conclusion, only presented an alternate argument. IDK either way precisely because it is all conjecture and I have made that quite clear that we do not know what goes on to be saying Kate is indeed hankering after jewels and couture clothing. There is just not enough evidence to conclude such.
This is going around in circles because it seems you are not hearing me. I'm not trying to say I know what's going on in her life, I'm saying that people whom think they know don't have evidence to be definitive in their knowing, just as I don't either.
I'm not on this forum to form hermeticly sealed objective arguments that are above refutation. There is a coherence to my thinking that it seems you are overlooking. I am arging many points you use against my argument, thus causing the circularity.
And my understanding of ostentatious does not imply what Kate's substance is in fact, or that she has substance for that matter, when none of us knows for sure, rather I'm making an observation of behaviors regarding her display of fashion and materialism only, not her overall character. I've repeatedly asked in different threads~ "Who is this so called duchess?" and things of that nature. I do not purport to know her character and never have, I'm just refuting statements that claim to know her when in fact none of us do!
I understand that you do not want to engage in such pragmatic conversation June, so I'm not trying to engage you in such, but when people are bantering pragmatically, such as I was, then why engage me, unless you were looking to argue?
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Liza on May 27, 2011, 09:51:51 pm
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I was thinking that it takes time to accumulate a wardrobe, to order clothes and have them made and she has only been married for 1 month and 2 weeks of that time she was on the honeymoon. Also living in Anglesey, sp? she is not close to the clothing stores. I am sure that in time, she will be flaunting clothes just as she does her body. If she were to drive into London to shop for clothes, she would be leaving William alone with his roving eye and she is probably afraid to leave him alone too long. While the cat's away, the mouse will play.
I was thinking that she didn't want to ask William for money for clothes after the the engagement because she may like to keep up the front that she is wealthy. William may not have thought to ask if she needed money before the wedding because he is so clueless that he doesn't realize that she may be having a difficult time affording certain fashions.
Kate may not have felt comfortable asking Elizabeth for jewelry yet because Kate is aware that the senior members of the BRF are not thrilled with her. If my mother-in-law did not like me, I would not even ask to wear the family jewels.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Alexandrine on May 27, 2011, 09:55:53 pm
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Isn't this jacket (http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6296/isopix20306798003.jpg) the one that Kate wore (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/10/article-1355421-0D1B2EF2000005DC-702_306x587.jpg) when she went out with Camilla? :bored:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: rogue on May 27, 2011, 09:57:34 pm
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Does she get an allowance from William or are her parents paying until they get money from the civilslist? I don't have a problem with her style , the only thing that bothers me are the fabrics , she needs to wear clothes with better materials/fabric.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 27, 2011, 10:13:00 pm
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Quote from: Alexandrine on May 27, 2011, 09:55:53 pm
Isn't this jacket (http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6296/isopix20306798003.jpg) the one that Kate wore (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/10/article-1355421-0D1B2EF2000005DC-702_306x587.jpg) when she went out with Camilla? :bored:
Yes and Pippa looks better in it style wise :
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They constantly share clothes
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Alexandrine on May 27, 2011, 10:15:27 pm
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Quote from: rogue on May 27, 2011, 09:57:34 pm
Does she get an allowance from William or are her parents paying until they get money from the civilslist? I don't have a problem with her style , the only thing that bothers me are the fabrics , she needs to wear clothes with better materials/fabric.
William gets money from his father so he should give her money to buy clothes for her official events at least.
There was a rumour before the engagement that said that he had given her a mastercard :dontknow:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 10:53:39 pm
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Quote from: Liza on May 27, 2011, 09:51:51 pm
I was thinking that it takes time to accumulate a wardrobe, to order clothes and have them made and she has only been married for 1 month and 2 weeks of that time she was on the honeymoon. Also living in Anglesey, sp? she is not close to the clothing stores. I am sure that in time, she will be flaunting clothes just as she does her body. If she were to drive into London to shop for clothes, she would be leaving William alone with his roving eye and she is probably afraid to leave him alone too long. While the cat's away, the mouse will play.
I was thinking that she didn't want to ask William for money for clothes after the the engagement because she may like to keep up the front that she is wealthy. William may not have thought to ask if she needed money before the wedding because he is so clueless that he doesn't realize that she may be having a difficult time affording certain fashions.
Kate may not have felt comfortable asking Elizabeth for jewelry yet because Kate is aware that the senior members of the BRF are not thrilled with her. If my mother-in-law did not like me, I would not even ask to wear the family jewels.
Excellent post Liza. :thumbsup: There are many things that could be going on behind the scenes. And many ways of looking at this supposed fashionista. We just have no way of knowing for sure. You're theory could prove correct over time. And I've thought it's possible she doesn't opt for couture because there would be less people whom could afford it, but who knows. :dontknow: I'm trying to keep an open mind about the clothing decisions she makes, but it's gone through my mind that she's possibly wanting to gather a following to become the "fashion ambassador" the press is wanting her to be and the more expensive her clothing, the more limited her target audience. :dontknow: I've become more indecisive about Kate's motives for dressing as she does, and trying to look at this from different angles. Her motives could be altogether different than I suggest. If she'd actually show us who she is, we'd be better able to define her as a person, but for now we've just got her clothes and presentations in public, as reported in the media, to go on. ...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: rogue on May 27, 2011, 11:53:19 pm
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Finally a critical note...The highstreet is ''cheap'' for a reason .. :whistle:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Magnolia on May 28, 2011, 12:59:50 am
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Oh dear very sad can you DM also investigate were all the PP products are made too.
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If Kate really wants to back UK fashion she ought to check that the people who make her clothes earn a living wage.
But who says she wants to back the UK fashion.Besides this is a woman who has worn dead animals on her head I doubt she's compassionate or has true sympathy for anyone or anything that's not her IMO.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 28, 2011, 01:08:40 am
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^^^ugh! These are issues I expect a princess or any high profile person to be aware of! This speaks to issues of social conscience and brand awareness, as well as knowledge about the world around us! I do not pretend to be holier than thou, but I stopped buying Nike products because of this same issue. Kate really needs to get her act together and investigate whom she's promoting when she steps out in public. She knows by now her clothing is going to be scrutinized, the least she could do is make sure her clothing is ethical! I wold hope she stops wearing the brand now, but obviously that's for her to decide. ...
We've learned Lay Nats doesn't want Kate promoting her ethically conscious brand and I hope Kate avoids promoting any one specific brand, but at least being able to consistently say she supports the concept of clothing with an ethical conscience behind them would go a long way. If I had the money to do so, my entire wardrobe would be that way. ...
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: mousiekins on May 28, 2011, 01:15:00 am
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With all the fuss over Kate and Pippa causing fashion frenzies I thought it would be fun to see the other end
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1391628/Cheryl-Cole-Stars-unpopular-outfit-choices-seen-sales-similar-items-plummet.htmlKate one day when she starts messing up?
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 28, 2011, 01:17:05 am
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Well, Rogue, the RF will be off the Civil List and then they will collect money from the Crown Estates and any business dealings they engage in. They will next year be permitted to make their own money and will basically have to support themselves. At the moment, they have WIlliam's salary to live off of and also have income from his trusts set up by his mother, but all in all, that's pretty much it. Since William won't be doing engagements and touring until July and then going off to the Falklands, it's not like Kate really at all needs an extensive wardrobe. When the RF becomes entirely self sufficient, they will be careful not to go out of budget and I think the royals will start being able to put a tight rein on the behavior of the royals since they won't be supported by taxpayer funds. Kate has entered the RF at the worst possible time, considering her background.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kezza on May 28, 2011, 02:04:32 am
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I think Kate needs to be more wary of what she wears in future. By wearing that dress and any other clothing that has been made through exploitation, she is helping those who do the exploiting by advertising their products, which will encourage these companies to exploit even more.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 28, 2011, 05:03:46 am
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Kate's dazzling dress is made in Romanian 'sweatshop' by women on just 99p an hour
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Costing £175 on the high street, it helped the Duchess of Cambridge outshine the First Lady.
But the Reiss dress that made such an impression when the pair met this week was manufactured by women paid only 99p an hour in a poor suburb of the Romanian capital, the Daily Mail has discovered.
The camel-coloured ‘Shola’ design was produced for less than £15 by seamstresses earning significantly less than the average salary for textile workers in the Eastern European nation.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391673/Kates-dazzling-dress-Romanian-sweatshop-women-just-99p-hour.html#ixzz1NcHN1wFjGee, another Middleton involved in exploitation. She just cannot avoid making a mess, can she?
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kezza on May 28, 2011, 05:55:31 am
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I dont think she is involved as such more linked to it by advertising the products made by those who are exploited and sold by those who do the exploitation.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: June on May 28, 2011, 06:09:19 am
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Quote from: Earth Angel on May 27, 2011, 08:20:47 pm
June, the context was pragmatic and indeed much different than yours, thus my obvious misunderstanding of the purpose in your response. Yet there's no need to apologize. The following article was what became the theme and the article in itself is pragmatic, lending to our pragmatic banter. And as you can see from the following quotes, I did not turn this into a conversation about couture or other royals, as you have stated, I engaged in ideation of that nature. And I think it is relative to this thread, considering the sheep whom are dressing like Kate and want to be like her. Afterall, Kate's fashion is being marketed to others and talked about extensively in this thread. And I, as well as others have mentioned or life experiences when judging Kate, with me stating that I'm not going to conclude negatively on a behavior that I myself do with different motives than ascribed to her. that would be hypocritical of me. Besides, human behavior is always relevent to consumerism, imo.
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KATE MIDDLETON THE REAL QUEEN OF SHOPS
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/248826/Kate-Middleton-the-Real-queen-of-ShopsKF:
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If she had the credit card, I am more than sure that Kate would happily be maxing the cards out at Chanel, Gucci, Oldfield, and other places with no qualms whatsoever. The stuff isn't cheap, but it is certainly not couture like Kate is hankering after to wear. She looked elegant, but not stately and certainly not like a royal princess, in a princessy suit with fluffs and frills.
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I doubt that she had anything to say and she was dressed all wrong for it, more chic than feminine and elegant. She should have dressed in something frilly and feminine and Samantha was dressed well, as was Michelle.
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She should have been in flounces and frills.
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She might prefer, as some have suggested, the minimalist style, but she should have been dressed in something more substantial, since it's simply how royal women have always dressed for their engagements. She isn't supposed to look businesslike, she's a royal duchess, like Diana was a princess; she should have worn something summery and a nice, large hat. It's how she's supposed to dress, who would not like to dress all nice and feminine and fluffy?
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I'm sure that she would love to go to balls, whihc would be the perfect excuse to wear couture.
As you can see what I responded to, I was not the one to state Kate wants couture but just can't afford it or is not allowed to purchase such. There are other posts somewhere which refer to how Kate must feel since HM is "undoubtedly" limiting Kate's access to royal jewels while other royals get to wear them, but I don't have time to find them right now. Anyway, I did not, out of the blue, feel the need to defend Kate. That is not what I was doing. I was simply stating that one could draw another conclusion than this because this line of thinking has no more relevence than my own. If you look back through my posts, I discuss both sides and am not convince that the way KF sees it is indeed the reality of the situation and them I presented reasons to support why I see it differently. I don't think I'm the one drawing the long bow here, as I have made no defintive conclusion, only presented an alternate argument. IDK either way precisely because it is all conjecture and I have made that quite clear that we do not know what goes on to be saying Kate is indeed hankering after jewels and couture clothing. There is just not enough evidence to conclude such.
This is going around in circles because it seems you are not hearing me. I'm not trying to say I know what's going on in her life, I'm saying that people whom think they know don't have evidence to be definitive in their knowing, just as I don't either.
I'm not on this forum to form hermeticly sealed objective arguments that are above refutation. There is a coherence to my thinking that it seems you are overlooking. I am arging many points you use against my argument, thus causing the circularity.
And my understanding of ostentatious does not imply what Kate's substance is in fact, or that she has substance for that matter, when none of us knows for sure, rather I'm making an observation of behaviors regarding her display of fashion and materialism only, not her overall character. I've repeatedly asked in different threads~ "Who is this so called duchess?" and things of that nature. I do not purport to know her character and never have, I'm just refuting statements that claim to know her when in fact none of us do!
I understand that you do not want to engage in such pragmatic conversation June, so I'm not trying to engage you in such, but when people are bantering pragmatically, such as I was, then why engage me, unless you were looking to argue?
Since your tone is slightly dictatorial, there may be no point in my getting into every submission you make, but I'll try. You keep changing the goal posts here, IMO. And, no, I wasn't looking to argue. :rolleyes: I think you, however, take a turn about Kate when it suits - at times. No harm in that, but I'm fairly consistent.
What is your definition of 'pragmatic'? I can tell you, given what I do for a living, I respond to submissions in front of me, whether they be 'pragmatic', fact or conjecture.
This quote from your is contradictory, both within the submission and as a response to mine:
'And I, as well as others have mentioned or life experiences when judging Kate, with me stating that I'm not going to conclude negatively on a behavior that I myself do with different motives than ascribed to her. that would be hypocritical of me. Besides, human behavior is always relevent to consumerism, imo.'
That was what I was responding to. You have made assumptions on Kate's behaviour, be it positive. That is from YOUR OWN WORDS, as above. :flower:
When you use yourself as a reference point to argue your point, you leave the rest of us with nowhere to go, since we don't know you. How can we argue? :- Yes, some of us reference our own lives into the forum, but, speaking for myself, not when something is subjective. For example, I use my experience in thyroid malfunction to state that I think Kate may have thyroid malfunction, based on her photos. But that is fact and evidence-based.
I can tell you why it's frustrating for me: it's akin to a party in a lawsuit using a "phantom witness" to bolster their case. It's not permitted in court, and for very good reason - the other party cannot defend the submission by reason that they don't know the person and cannot cross-examine. That's where I was coming from.
So, when I commented in kind, you start to submit that I have a different 'purpose', 'context', implying that I'm confused, or whatever. :-
I'm not interested in what KF has to say on this matter, as I was responding to you, not her. As I stated, I apologise if that offended you in some way; apparently not. Now, I can assure you that I know how to argue 'coherently', believe me. It's what I do for a living and I'm quite good at it. But, I don't apply the same commitment to this forum as I do my work. So, if I overlooked something in your voluminous, rather convoluted posts, I'll give myself a pass and won't debate with you on that.
I've no doubt that in your own mind, your posts are 'coherent' and all of those things. Others may view them quite differently, as they might mine - I admit that. That's the nature of the beast with free speech. We are not in court, we do not have a judge presiding to determine who has put on the better case. It's best therefore to agree to disagree, IMO. :flower:
On that note, and I'm not sure if this is just a slip of the keyboard, but ...
I would prefer if you cease saying, 'There is just not enough evidence to conclude such.' That is your opinion/submission only and it does not make it fact. If you choose to refute evidence, that is your prerogative, but again, it does not mean such evidence does not exist. Of course, none of us know what Kate does or wears 24/7. She may spend her money on luxurious lingerie for all we know.
I've already granted that from what we know Kate doesn't strut around in couture labels, so defined. But that doesn't mean her clothes aren't for the affluent, either. Again, that is 'perspective'. I'm sure Kate thinks she's very thrifty, personally. :rolleyes:
As for KF, I'm not entering into that one. You say she's gratuitous, well, so be it. That's the way she is. But, that has nothing to do whatever with me, as I was responding to your post.
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: June on May 28, 2011, 06:59:10 am
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Just to add: your perspective is a case of all or nothing. Your position, as I understand it, is: Kate doesn't strut around in high-end couture on a regular basis (even though we don't know that) or adorn herself in exquisite, luxury jewels (again, even though we don't know). By reason, Kate doesn't 'flaunt' her 'social status' by such means.
I never contended that she did, but anyway, since you raised it, I'll respond ...
But that is a matter of perspective and opinion. Put it this way: if a person commits murder, there are varying degrees and sentences ... I know that is very BAD example here, but the point is: it's never a case of all or nothing.
I accept that Kate IN PUBLIC has a more modest, minimalist approach to clothes and jewellery. But to extrapolate that to submissions about her behaviour, so defined by you, IMO, is drawing a long bow, by reason that she still wears some expensive clothing, accessorised with equally expensive bags and boots. Not to mention some nice pieces of jewellery from time to time. She has, in her own way, shown that she has money, although since her taste is IMO more on the trashy side, it won't be as obvious. But that has nothing to do with her exhibiting certain commendable behaviours, exogenous to her clothing/fashion choices, IMO. More, it is a natural progression of her her style, or lack thereof, as the case may be.
And, again, we just don't know what she does or wears 24/7. But, according to you, that is another matter altogether, and you don't accept the evidence I present. :whistle:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 28, 2011, 07:29:36 am
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Okay guys, I'm not a mod, but lets please just love each other, okay? :BFF: :BFF: :BFF: :BFF:
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Title: Re: Kate Middleton: the fashion files
Post by: Earth Angel on May 28, 2011, 04:57:39 pm
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June, I agree with you about the clothing she wears, I never said I didn't, but I didn't think I needed to spell that out. It is not black and white in my eyes and if it comes across that way to you, all I can say is you are misunderstanding me. I realize that sometimes I am not clear to others and do not pretend to know it all! We are not in a courtroom, hence my statement to you that I am not here to form hermeticly sealed objective arguments. I was not being dictatorial whatsoever. I did not once tell you what to do, as you are now doing to me. I will write however I want and will not refrain from writing a certain way just because you don't like it:
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I would prefer if you cease saying, 'There is just not enough evidence to conclude such.' That is your opinion/submission only and it does not make it fact. If you choose to refute evidence, that is your prerogative, but again, it does not mean such evidence does not exist. Of course, none of us know what Kate does or wears 24/7. She may spend her money on luxurious lingerie for all we know.
I wasn't arging with you, I had been arguing/debating with KF, in which I did not use a personal reference. However, you then seemed to want to argue with me. I was trying to explain to you the background of the post you responded, and then the personal reference to explain why I am not going to agree with a black and white argument. And if you weren't intending to argue with me then why would a personal reference on my part matter?
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When you use yourself as a reference point to argue your point, you leave the rest of us with nowhere to go, since we don't know you. How can we argue? Yes, some of us reference our own lives into the forum, but, speaking for myself, not when something is subjective. For example, I use my experience in thyroid malfunction to state that I think Kate may have thyroid malfunction, based on her photos. But that is fact and evidence-based.
Again, I was not arguing with you. I am not on this forum to argue/debate, although I do that sometimes. I'm here to learn, discuss, and process information. I have conversations with people, just as I was trying to do with you. I was not offended by your posts, but I did not think they were kind either. Your tone is not accepting whatsoever, imo, hence my asking whether or not you were trying to argue with me. I'm done explaining to you, as it's obviously been a futile attempt on my part. I did already agree to disagree with you! :flower:
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Come ON, she's no fashion plate. Oh well. Ok, Mousie, my love. Here I go.
dust in their eyes - they don't look past the surface image of what they want to see, IMO. :James:
is 10th times worse only by reading the title of the article itself :hiss: :hiss: I can't stomach the rest :BS:
#JamesMiddleton