Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 06, 2015, 04:53:00 pm
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Well stated, Yooper! I would just add my two cents that Charles needs to get it through his thick
that Camilla will never be LOVED by the public -- at best tolerated and liked. Never loved or admired. He needs to accept it and work within those parameters.
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 06:38:55 pm
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Agree.
Thing is, Camilla went from mistress to wife and in the royal set, that is something that is a RARE occurrence. If the Diana bashing would stop, things would have calmed down a long time ago and Camilla should accept what she's done to other people and 'get on with it.'
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 06, 2015, 08:53:22 pm
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Camilla doesn't need to be beloved it's Chuck who needs to be liked ... Cam now is an old lady who has time on her side after all who under 40 is invested or even remembers Diana? ^ Some articles exposing Di as the adulterer with issues, who was a hypocrite is not bashing is telling the truth ... if Hewitt comes out to claim he is Harry's real father it's not anyone's fault but Di's ... Di will be "bashed" because she has made plenty of mistakes as is Chuck for his ...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 09:53:03 pm
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I won't dispute that. To be frank, I want you to know that Diana never should have done a lot of things, but thing is, Charles and Camilla need to stop dragging Diana up and stop making so much of her. Each time they do, they refresh Diana's memory. I don't mind Charles since I think ANY future king should be ruthless and cold, but Camilla is someone who needs to start accepting that what happened was wrong and stop justifying it.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2015, 10:39:13 pm
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^Out of curiosity, how exactly do you see Camilla publicly accepting that what was wrong was wrong? In this particular instance, it's a no win situation unless Diana is brought front and center again. So, I don't see how Camilla can behave any differently than she is now and that's by following Charles' lead. So, divorce is all we've got here to satisfy the people who won't accept her.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on April 06, 2015, 10:48:35 pm
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yougov asks this question every year or even more often and the figures supporting Camilla being Queen Consort have been steadily increasing over the last decade from around 7% in 2005 to 49% in 2015.
The idea that QEII will be a hard act to follow and that Charles isn't up to the job are the same thoughts being expressed in the 1890s about Queen Victoria and Edward VII - who had himself twice been called into court - something disgraceful for a Prince of the Realm. He ended up being a much-loved King.
I see no reason why something similar won't happen with Charles.
Except for the Diana die-hards who continue to believe that Charles and Camilla should be hung-drawn-and--quartered for hurting their darling most people are mature enough to realise that time has moved on and that Charles has always been respected for his efforts for the betterment of the people of his own country.
The Commonwealth will have no say. Most of the countries of the Commonwealth are already republics with at least three others having had or having now discussions on becoming a republic possibly before The Queen dies. Remember, when she became Queen there were only two republics in the Empire and Commonwealth (India and Pakistan) but now there are only 16 realms with non-Empire countries applying to join the Commonwealth. The British monarchy is not necessary for the Commonwealth. If the monarchy were to fall the Commonwealth would continue.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 11:13:04 pm
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Camilla accepted being known as Duchess of Cornwall; she set a precedent for untitled women to have morganatic titles. Camilla should refuse to be crowned and should be known as Princess Consort whether she likes it or not. Forget about being crowned and called Queen and the public can move on.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2015, 11:27:57 pm
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^Well, in that regard, it's a wait-and-see isn't it? She seems, to me, a sturdy thing so I don't predict any health issues coming from her so it will be interesting to see what role she takes on when the time comes. She just doesn't bother me as much as she does some, I guess. She does her thing and it seems genuine and kind. Other than tar and feathers it's a matter of acceptance considering that I don't see PC admitting a mistake and going through another divorce. That one seems impossible unlike goofy William's choice.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2015, 12:01:37 am
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Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 07, 2015, 12:03:14 am
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I don't see everything as black and white. In life there are grey tones and areas and I think everyone will at some point be hard put to say they have never done anything wrong. Yes, Camilla did wrong as did Diana and as did Charles. But there comes a time IMO when the past must rest in the past for the sake of the living who still have lives, and I don't care who the person(s) is.
Think of it this way - had Di not died so young I highly doubt she would have been as martyred as she is. I would much preferred she had lived than see what I see and IMO at times to the point of obsession.
Not even a prison sentence would punish two people for this long, so who are we to stand in our glass houses and throw stones?
As Charles wife I feel she has a right to become Queen Consort if the people so wish, because despising her won't bring Di back. And if Di could be brought back I wonder if she was the type of person to be so revengeful. I'd like to think she wouldn't be.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on April 07, 2015, 01:41:03 am
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Quote from: Alexandrine on April 07, 2015, 12:01:37 am
Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.
He also said he would never marry again and you see how that turned out.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 07, 2015, 02:28:02 am
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Yes, he's quite the liar; frankly, one lie after another, I wonder how he keeps them all straight.
Quote from: AnaBolena on April 07, 2015, 12:03:14 am
I don't see everything as black and white. In life there are grey tones and areas and I think everyone will at some point be hard put to say they have never done anything wrong. Yes, Camilla did wrong as did Diana and as did Charles. But there comes a time IMO when the past must rest in the past for the sake of the living who still have lives, and I don't care who the person(s) is.
Think of it this way - had Di not died so young I highly doubt she would have been as martyred as she is. I would much preferred she had lived than see what I see and IMO at times to the point of obsession.
Not even a prison sentence would punish two people for this long, so who are we to stand in our glass houses and throw stones?
As Charles wife I feel she has a right to become Queen Consort if the people so wish, because despising her won't bring Di back. And if Di could be brought back I wonder if she was the type of person to be so revengeful. I'd like to think she wouldn't be.
The monarchy is about continuity with the past, not breaking with it. So forgetting the past is antithesis of monarchy.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 09:27:33 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 11:13:04 pm
Camilla accepted being known as Duchess of Cornwall; she set a precedent for untitled women to have morganatic titles. Camilla should refuse to be crowned and should be known as Princess Consort whether she likes it or not. Forget about being crowned and called Queen and the public can move on.
Actually Kings remarried all the time hello Henry VIII lol what happened with Cam is not unheard of it was unheard of during Henry's time Anne was unheard of!!! Chuck was a divorced man he had every right to remarry whoever he pleased we are talking about basic human rights here that should apply to Chuck too !!! As for Cam ... a rose is a rose no matter what it is called it doesn't matter how she is called she will be Queen that battle was won the minute they married ...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 07, 2015, 03:26:27 pm
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Nothing about any Monarchy has anything to do with basic human rights. In fact, monarchies, in my book, are the antithesis of it. So, when Charles gives up being Prince and one day King, which is not a basic human right, then we can talk about his basic rights to marry whom he wants to. Of course he won't because then he'd have to give up the other non human basic rights of the taxpayer paying for his lazy a$$ family, Range Rover discounts, people scr#ping at his feet for no reason at all, and ruling a people who didn't elect him. When it comes to basic human rights, you don't get to pick and choose to suit your selfish ends. It's all or nothing.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on April 07, 2015, 03:32:42 pm
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He will make her his queen for sure.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 07, 2015, 03:36:28 pm
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^ I'm sure he will. Charles is always okay with doing things that feed into his egocentricity and narcissism despite in the long run, it damaging his overall reputation and lowering his self-respect and the respect others have for him and the number of people.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 07, 2015, 03:39:17 pm
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Quote from: CathyJane on April 07, 2015, 01:41:03 am
Quote from: Alexandrine on April 07, 2015, 12:01:37 am
Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.
He also said he would never marry again and you see how that turned out.
It has always been Charles' intention to have Camilla crowned as Queen Consort. We would be silly-billys indeed to think otherwise! :king:
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 04:52:09 pm
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edited for lack of content. YM
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 04:54:45 pm
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Of course they said she won't be Queen back in 2005 what else could they say? The wedding has to go on as smooth as possible ... if you don't want to be lied to don't put others in a position where their only option is to lie ...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 08, 2015, 12:20:35 am
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I didn't know there was a gun to his head or someone had kidnapped William and Harry on the contingency that they would only be returned if Charles lied and said his cow wouldn't be Queen. Oh, wait, that's because neither of those things happened. No one's life was on the line and so no, no one was forced into a position where their only option was to lie. Charles was and is just a spoiled brat with no spine whose never been able to be straight forward or stand for anything completely outright. On top of it, he can't deal with not getting what he wants. Therefore, he instead developed a MO of sneakiness, compulsive lying, and blaming others for his mistakes.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 08, 2015, 10:13:59 am
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029519/How-Camilla-won-sceptical-Britain-Ten-years-marriage-acceptance-says-way-nation-s-changed.html :ick: :ick: :stop:
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 08, 2015, 01:43:03 pm
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Well, we must remember, he has probably paid someone to write and print that, or put a gun to their head, because most of us know the whole article is blatant lies. She is detested as much now as she was then. Various anti monarchy pages on Facebook are absoltuley cutting and vicious about her, and put together the most amazing photoshop piccies - the head of a cow on top of an unflattering body, things like that. They are vicious and cruel, but nevertheless these pages have much support. So no, I do not believe that article, and when lily-livered queenie passes on I think chucky is in for a very rude awakening with regard to camzilla (on some FB pages they call her cowmilla). The venom oozes out. Fun to read, and you get a great idea of what people think of her, men and women, equal dislike and in fact they absolutely detest her.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 08, 2015, 02:34:42 pm
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There is no way Chuck can be king with this scheming user as his consort.
According to rumors she wanted Chuck to have sex with her in the garden right under the window where Diana and his sons were sleeping.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 08, 2015, 06:52:40 pm
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Despite Charles telling the public she is accepted, I think she is not exactly the most popular woman in the UK IMO
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 08, 2015, 08:28:29 pm
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^^such thing shows a complete lack of mor@l
i was just wondering - DOE is born a prince, a future king, yet - he is a duke, not a king or a king consort. why should Camila become a queen.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on April 09, 2015, 09:25:39 am
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The tradition in England/Britain is that the wife of the King is a Queen while the husband of a Queen Regnant is a Prince.
There have been two exceptions"
1. Philip II of Spain, husband of Mary I who was King Consort because he was already King of Spain in his own right
2. William III, husband of Mary II. He was given the title of King as much because he lead the army that deposed James II and because he was third in the line of succession in his own right behind Mary and Anne. He and Mary were first cousins. They even explained the inheritance situation should Mary die first - he was to remain as King, which he did, then he was to be succeeded by any children he had had with Mary - none, and then any children from a second marriage were to be behind Anne and her children - as Anne had no children and William didn't remarry they didn't have to worry about that contingency.
Anne's husband, along with Victoria's and Elizabeth's were all born Princes in their own right but were never made King Consort.
That is because a King is a higher title than Queen. Victoria actually wanted to create Albert King Consort but the advice she was given was 'that only parliament can make a King because parliament can unmake a king' and so Albert had to remain as Prince Albert.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 09, 2015, 12:19:45 pm
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ok, so - Chuck can make his Camzila a queen :bat:
life is unfair - but I'm sure that life will find a way to get back at her for usurping a place which does not belong to her and never did, imho
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 09, 2015, 01:40:11 pm
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^Queen Consort, camzilla can never hold the title of Queen alone, she is not in the line of succession, therefor it is Queen Consort. He told the public she would not be Queen Consort when the time came. Lie one on that front. Does he think we have forgotten and know that he lied to us. The other little matter that there are many in the UK who actively "intensely dislike" camzilla for what happened regarding Princess Diana, I don´t think chucky will get an easy time of it if he gives the the Queen Consort title, and rightly so in my opinion. But chucky being chucky, he will stamp his feet and have a
, and the public will throw a hissy fit. Leave him to it, in my mind she will always be the old slapper who slept her way to where she is, nobody and nothing can alter that because it is the truth. He gets all he deserves because he was weak enough to let it all happen, no sympathy with either of them. Well matched in a way, neither of them much favoured by the public.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on April 09, 2015, 01:47:23 pm
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And because of his "great" love affair with the Rottweiler, he opened the door for the advent of Viperville.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 09, 2015, 02:12:42 pm
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Quote from: Ariel on April 09, 2015, 12:19:45 pm
ok, so - Chuck can make his Camzila a queen :bat:
life is unfair - but I'm sure that life will find a way to get back at her for usurping a place which does not belong to her and never did, imho
How is life unfair? He and Di divorced had Di lived guess what? Camilla would still be married to Chuck Duchess of Cornwall and future Queen Consort !!! Because Chuck is the important one ... Di was nothing but William's mother ...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 02:23:57 pm
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^ It is unfair because Camilla played an active role in destroying the Wales marriage. She was an informant to The Sun for ten years from 1982 to 1992 regarding the Wales marriage. Had she refused to have anything to do with Charles during his marriage, just maybe Charles and Diana could have weathered the ups and downs of their relationship. But she was there to kiss his boo boos. Always. Never went away.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 03:47:42 pm
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A lifetime of plotting, gossipping, scheming, adultering and boozing.
Campon is pushing Chuck to be queen and not princess consort like he planned.
I think Campon is behind a lot of anti Diana articles even today.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 09, 2015, 08:20:30 pm
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If Diana was alive Chuck would not have dared ti marry Camila. Diana was THE Princess and if she was alive Camila would have still been called a wh* to her face. Who won the most out of Diana's scheduled death...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 09:28:30 pm
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Without the Wrinkly Homewrecker Diana and Chuck might be married today with at least four kids and a lot of marriage counseling behind them IMO.
Of course the Wrinkly Homewrecker needed every trace of spontaneous love erased to regain Chuck's co dependancy. :ick:
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:25:43 pm
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Quote from: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 03:47:42 pm
A lifetime of plotting, gossipping, scheming, adultering and boozing.
Campon is pushing Chuck to be queen and not princess consort like he planned.
I think Campon is behind a lot of anti Diana articles even today.
IMO you just described both women. I've seen enough pics of Di glass in hand. Adultery? Oh, not her. Pursuing the press? Oh never Di.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
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^ Diana was not an imbiber. If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water. And she couldn't avoid the press. She had to learn to deal with them.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 10:42:05 pm
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^
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When Chuck(31) pursued Diana aged 19 he should have lived up to it and be a true husband IMO.
No affairs poisoning their relationship from the get go.
Say Campon never happened and Diana and Chuck remained married with all it's ups and downs.
Then one day Chuck gave his black Amex card to Diana to go shopping in Paris while he went to some architecture conference.
But Diana never came back.
If, years later, Chuck presented a wrinkly frumpy woman( long divorced or widowed) who gave him some warmth and happiness I cannot imagine anyone objecting.
Campon is unpopular because of what she did and not because of what she looks like.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:54:08 pm
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Quote from: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
^ Diana was not an imbiber. If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water. And she couldn't avoid the press. She had to learn to deal with them.
www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpegAnd she courted the press as the press have stated.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 11:00:51 pm
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s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9a/45/be/9a45bea5b61761ed93b2d5726de53f62.jpgCampon was desperate to stop this, that's for sure.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 12:56:42 am
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Diana was not a drinker. Plenty of contemporary accounts bear this out. Diana was concerned with health foods and was not a drinker.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 10, 2015, 12:59:45 am
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Quote from: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:54:08 pm
Quote from: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
^ Diana was not an imbiber. If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water. And she couldn't avoid the press. She had to learn to deal with them.
www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpegAnd she courted the press as the press have stated.
One photo holding a glass of beer doesn't mean she was a drinker. It's a well-known factoid that she was not. Maybe an occasional wine, if that. Certainly nothing on the order of the Queen Mother or Camilla.
And, yes, she learned to use the media. She had no choice because she was daily fodder for the media. And Charles' friends were planting their stories and Camilla was working with Stuart Higgins of The Sun. She was quite savvy!
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 01:07:31 am
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Charles friends were leaking stories about Diana. Diana did fight back which was her right.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 01:15:59 am
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girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's mor@le to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 10, 2015, 02:42:27 am
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Quote from: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 01:15:59 am
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's mor@le to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.
I'm no admirer of Camilla and I think it's a given that she worked for many years to destabilise the Charles/Di marriage. However, we have to face facts. Charles is going to be king in possibly a few years. He will want Camilla to be Queen Consort and unless there's an uprising by the British public she probably will be. I can't see the authorities causing a fuss. In 2017 Diana will have been dead for twenty years. Those under 20 have no memories of her, and those under thirty very few. Of those people who remember Diana there are many who do so fondly but just think it's time to move on. And time isn't going to help in this scenario.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rebecca on April 10, 2015, 04:13:12 am
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I think that unfortunately, Charles and Diana each went into the marriage expecting different things. Charles probably assumed that Di would grin and bear it if he had affairs, as so many royals in the past felt was their right. Diana seemed to have gone in expecting, hoping, for her fairytale. I really don't think Charles intended to hurt Di, he probably figured she was naive to expect faithfulness given his position and past.
I don't dislike Camilla, although as a wife myself I do not like homewreckers. I'm sure Camilla must feel regret for the pain she caused. I think that because of her untimely death and tragic life many of Diana's mistakes have been glossed over and forgiven, while Camilla's forgiveness seems slow to come, if indeed it ever does. We all have made mistakes in life. As was posted on another thread recently, even Diana might have forgiven her by now, had she lived. I'm sure Charles does want her to become Queen Consort, but whether she uses the title really doesn't matter, IMO. What I think most mportant is not her title, but what she does with it. Hopefully, she will do as Diana likely would've done, had she the chance, and will use the role as a means to help others.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: KGap on April 10, 2015, 07:24:13 am
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Quote from: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:54:08 pm
Quote from: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
^ Diana was not an imbiber. If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water. And she couldn't avoid the press. She had to learn to deal with them.
www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpegAnd she courted the press as the press have stated.
That picture is from an official state visit to Germany. She took a polite sip of beer. She rarely drank alcohol in private.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G25py7yEVyoBetween the three of them, there isn't an innocent party. They all participated in the war of the waleses. It's unfortunate Diana is no longer here.
I hope Camilla takes the high road and continues to use a lesser title, even if she is legally entitled to be called QC.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 07:36:37 am
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if she hasn't used he duchess title to help others by now, most likely she'll continue to be absent from work when Charles becomes king. imo, she does not deserve the queen consort title and that it's better if she does not have it. if she only ever wanted Chuck because of love - then it shouldn't be a problem to not b honored with queen consort. and it's honor that is lacking in the situation. Diana would have forgiven them only if she had moved on happily. but this didn't happen. so, the only honor she really deserves is that her and Charles look really good together on public appearances.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 10, 2015, 01:41:10 pm
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Quote from: Rosella on April 10, 2015, 02:42:27 am
Quote from: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 01:15:59 am
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's mor@le to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.
I'm no admirer of Camilla and I think it's a given that she worked for many years to destabilise the Charles/Di marriage. However, we have to face facts. Charles is going to be king in possibly a few years. He will want Camilla to be Queen Consort and unless there's an uprising by the British public she probably will be. I can't see the authorities causing a fuss. In 2017 Diana will have been dead for twenty years. Those under 20 have no memories of her, and those under thirty very few. Of those people who remember Diana there are many who do so fondly but just think it's time to move on. And time isn't going to help in this scenario.
I think Camilla will be Queen Consort because 1) it is legally correct; and 2) Charles has always intended for this to be, no matter what he has said. She will be Queen. I don't think there will be any uprising; however, as has been stated often in the Andrew thread, mud sticks. And the taint wafting around Charles and Camilla will never completely leave them. Charles has shown great disrespect to his great-grandmother, grandparents and mother, after all they had gone through because of the Abdication and doing their duty for the Monarchy. If he couldn't live with Diana, fine. But to marry his mistress who still has a living husband -- he couldn't have been more stupid.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 10, 2015, 04:25:43 pm
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Quote from: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 01:15:59 am
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's mor@le to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.
What about the married men Di slept with? Why not remember the pain Di caused their wives to the point one of them had the police involved? You wanna talk mor@ls really? Men are not simple and they can't be stolen by the way ... marrying someone doesn't make you their owner Di couldn't make him happy so he left ...
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 04:52:10 pm
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obviously Chuck did not satisfy his wife and she had to find love, passion, sex somewhere else. if Chuck didn't spend his time with Camz then his wife would not have had to cheat.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 10, 2015, 09:00:19 pm
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^^ Jane, Di is exempt from scrutiny. We can see the other two went wrong but not Di. She always, always has an excuse made for her.
I have to laugh - Di slept with far more than I ever have lol so much for Klass.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 09:22:37 pm
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There is no proof that Diana slept with Many. None at all. Hoare neither confirmed or denied any affair. The Hoares are together. Charles slept with many women to sow wild oats he cheated on Camilla with Janet Jenkins, that is if one can cheat on a married woman.
Diana was pretty much ousted from Charles bed after she delivered the heir and spare for him. He used her as a broodmare. She could have lived out her life as a nun while Charles went to Camilla and perhaps other women. Alexandra the put upon consort of Edward VII at least was able to have intimacy with Edward. Charles refused Diana more children and she had wanted a larger family. Rumor had it that Camilla advised him not to have more kids with Diana.
Charles went into the marriage cheating since he later admitted (to his biographer) he preferred the mistress to the bride.
I don't think it fair to say Diana slept with "many men." She did not and even Penny Junor her harshest critic never claimed this
"What about the married men Di slept with? Why not remember the pain Di caused their wives to the point one of them had the police involved? You wanna talk mor@ls really? Men are not simple and they can't be stolen by the way ... marrying someone doesn't make you their owner Di couldn't make him happy so he left ..."
Again, Jane, one married man denied sleeping with her (Carling). Hoare neither confirmed or denied one and is still married to his wife. And Diana denied flat out she slept with Mannakee.
There IS proof that Charles helped himself to at least two married women: Camilla and Lady Kanga.
Charles got marriage counseling from his mistress Jane. Enough said. Camilla rooted her feet in the ground and undermined Diana every step of the way. Diana was not something to be tossed aside because the Great One was "unhappy." He was happy enough using her to conceive children with.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 10, 2015, 09:40:53 pm
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^ Sandy, she can hardly be called virginal, or even almost virginal. Whilst I can fully accept what the others did was wrong, for the life of me I cannot accept the easy acceptance of everything Di did as right and justified. We are each answerable, even Di.
Having said that, if she had slept with a thousand men pre marriage I couldn't care less even though it would go against my own mor@l code, it was still her choice as to whether she sowed wild oats.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 10, 2015, 10:45:39 pm
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I am, and was, a great fan of Diana, but like the rest of us she was not perfect and had her failings. If chucky was entertaining camzilla why should PD not find her own entertainment elsewhere. Doubt camzilla was pure and virginal when chucky first met her from what we hear. As none of us were around at the time, and there was no internet to tell us much, we have no way of knowing what PD got up to. If she slept with married men it takes two to tango, but as she had suffered an adulterous husband I feel that in her position I would not have wanted to cause similar hurt to another wife, but we all think and behave differently. However, it is not for any of us to sit in judgement, the husbands were obviously willing if PD did have affairs, and although I do not approve of adultery it is not for me to judge what PD did, she had to live with herself and know what she did was wrong, but she did it nevertheless. Many things must have been going through her mind, and she was given a dogs life by chucky and camzilla plus the rf, obviously feeling very insecure and unhappy emotionally. I think one has to be in a given situation to know how we would react. Logic in the cold light of the day often flies out of the window with emotional turmoil. At the end of the day, they both committed adultery, but let us not forget that chucky didn´t start it, he never stopped and just continued from before his marriage. There was always three in that marriage. If you want to villify them for committing adultery then he took the lead and she followed, so in many ways both should shoulder the blame in that respect, although as I said, chucky was the leader. In some ways one was as bad as the other.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 10, 2015, 11:06:50 pm
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Exactly GB.
Chuck took the lead and Diana followed.
No 24 year old should be expected to go without sex with the man who took your virginity just because he likes to be a quivering whimp.
It is a well known fact that Chuck is not secure when it comes to performing due to his lack of contact with girls when he was young.
Campon on the other hand was at it from an early age and she "gave him confidence" in his twenties.
If it was anything more then sex back then chuck would have asked her to wait for him, then marry her.
But he did not.
I think Chuck might have been in love(not lust) for the first time when he married Diana.
A huge slap in the face for Campon.
We all know Diana was not experienced and needed Chuck to introduce her to sex, so no "reassurance " for Chuck.
We also know that Diana needed loyalty and commitment due to her upbringing.
An explosive mix that IMO could have been solved with a lot of time and understanding.
Both needed to grow as persons and Chuck made the IMO crucial mistake to ask "friends" for marital advise.
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 10, 2015, 11:33:10 pm
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Here's the crux of the situation:
Diana and Charles weren't just ANY married couple.
They were a ROYAL couple and not just royal, but the Prince and Princess of WALES, the British equivalent of the Crown Prince and Princess of any European monarchy. Charles was royal on both sides while Diana had gallons of Scottish Stuart lineage and was related to almost the entire French aristocracy.
The marriage at the time was EPIC and seemed to put the monarchy back on track and ended up taking the world by storm. Diana was EVERYTHING a princess was expected to be and was complementing Charles just fine and moving him forward in life to maturity. Two small princes and of course, she was still more than young enough to have more babies over time and for a royal dynasty, two princes is a coupe de grace to a swell dynastic match.
As a couple they were unbeatable and Diana was dynamic on her own and skilled at schmoozing the people who needed to be schmoozed for charity. She put designers on the map, made London a fashionable place, put charities on the map (most notably AIDS) and also really did move the monarchy forward.
As for Camilla, you don't mess wtih that and walk away thinking you should be able to be scrubbed clean.
She undermined and trashed a DYNASTIC match and threw the monarchy off course. That marriage was mythic, you do NOT mess with that. Camilla has no business sitting her trifling arse on that throne being crowned with those jewels and anointed with holy oil after all her destructiveness.
You just don't. She dealt a vicious blow after she damaged the marriage beyond repair and has no business expecting people to just 'get over it.' Camilla has pretty much done horrendous damage and has no business wanting people to 'move on' beyond all that destruction.
am 
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