RoyalGossip 2011 Archive: Andrew's Scandal

Title: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Yooper on March 03, 2011, 06:23:22 pm
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www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1362385/Prince-Andrews-addiction-shady-plutocrats-imperil-Royal-Family.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 05, 2011, 11:33:58 am
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Prince Andrew's big mistake: Humiliated Duke of York vows to end friendship with billionaire alleged paedophile
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363163/Prince-Andrew-vows-end-friendship-billionaire-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html#ixzz1FiwD15Ek

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 05, 2011, 06:01:55 pm
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He had no business being friends in the first place.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 05, 2011, 06:07:16 pm
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I agree KF..no business there what so ever ....only reason he admits to making a mistake is because he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar IMO

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: YooperModerator on March 05, 2011, 10:20:10 pm
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^yup
Ah damn! I'm so disappointed in their behaviour lately. bignono
And I thought the nineties were the scandal years for the Windsors!
Looks like it's starting again!
Fiurst the wikileak stuff, now alleged pedo stuff oh and let's not forget the shady Arab and Russian business partners!
HM get your family in line already!!

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: True Brit on March 05, 2011, 10:55:58 pm
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This story is getting bigger by the day. This is just one of the stories being carried by the Telegraph. I have also posted it in the Royal Wedding thread as I am increasingly of the opinion that the rushed engagement/wedding is damage limitation in the hope it would take the flack for this story. The press has known about this for ten years. A story going around says it was about to break late last year and they kept the lid on it for a while longer.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8362690/Prince-Andrew.html

P.S. The son of a very good friend of mine served under PA in the navy and he was generally loathed and regarded as an arrogant pig. And has Fergie been a fall guy for him?

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Title: Re: Why are so few newspapers carrying the Prince Andrew story?
Post by: True Brit on March 05, 2011, 10:58:58 pm
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It's really unravelling now and the papers are all on to it. I would imagine the palace has tried to keep a very tight lid on it but in the end the truth will out. According to the Telegarph there are major concerns at the highest level of Govt now and some secret meeting between PA and senior Govt official has taken place.

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: YooperModerator on March 05, 2011, 11:11:01 pm
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Huh guess mousie was right there was a big story coming up!
But not on WK it's PA and his doings
They sat on this one for ten! years?? My they sure have patience.....

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Raisie on March 05, 2011, 11:14:28 pm
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Yes,i believed it was going to be as big as Uncle Gary scandal but as you say akasha turn to be that it was not from WK,sad we wanted something to make us happy lols

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Earth Angel on March 06, 2011, 01:40:07 am
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The Daily Mail reported about Andrew's visit to Epstein's NYC residence back in December, right after it occurred. I'm more apt to think his associations with Libya are the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. And perhaps Andrew's scandal is the diversion from a Middleton one. There's something about the Middleton camp that the media is sitting on~my women's intuition is sure of it!

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:23:24 am
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There's something about the Middleton camp that the media is sitting on~my women's intuition is sure of it!

The press is just WAITING (pun intended) to get this marriage through and start excoriating Kate.

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Title: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:28:46 am
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Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew as Vince Cable refuses to back him as trade envoy
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Prince Andrew's hopes of surviving as a UK trade envoy suffered a major setback last night when Business Secretary Vince Cable refused to say he should stay in the post.

Mr Cable, whose department is responsible for UK Trade and Investment (UKTI), where the Duke is a special representative, said he had made a ‘valuable contribution’ to UKTI’s work.

But crucially, asked if the Prince should continue in the role, Mr Cable’s spokeswoman said: ‘No comment.’


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363443/Vince-Cable-refuses-Prince-Andrew-trade-envoy.html#ixzz1FmpFJvsC

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Title: Former Foreign Office Minister: Why I thought Andrew should go – and still do
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:30:07 am
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Former Foreign Office Minister: Why I thought Andrew should go – and still do
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I first met the Duke of York back in November 2004 when he came to visit the Rhondda Sea Cadets in Llwynypia in my constituency.

The youngsters were really excited to have a Royal visit and I confess it all went swimmingly – or at least it did until we discovered the following day that he hadn’t driven to Rhondda as any sane person would.


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363383/Former-Foreign-Office-Minister-Why-I-thought-Andrew--do.html#ixzz1Fmpamnyz

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Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 05:47:25 am
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IMO PA needs to step down...and walk away ...this guy is no better than his ex wife.

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Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 01:17:34 pm
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^ Now we know why he was never tough with Fergie, why he has stood by her and why he has continued to support her. Birds of a feather and all that ... :whistle:

Who knew? :rolleyes:

And, it makes me wonder what dirty little secrets Fergie knows about. :think:

I think that this is just the tip of the iceberg ... Andrew's cavorting with that young model on that yacht was nauseating for a man of his age and position. :ick:

I think someone has been waiting to expose him, quite frankly, as he isn't very popular at all; he has rubbed many people the wrong way, and is arrogant, IMO. It's a shame because when I was growing up, he was always presented as the very sexy, hot Prince, whereas Charles was just the posh, boring future King.

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Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 02:21:56 pm
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The Duke of York and a threat to the Monarchy
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363398/The-Duke-York-threat-Monarchy.html#ixzz1FpTGDDDU

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Title: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 02:34:55 pm
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I WILL NOT QUIT, VOWS 'SMEARED' PRINCE ANDREW
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/232854/I-will-not-quit-vows-smeared-Prince-AndrewI-will-not-quit-vows-smeared-Prince-Andrew#ixzz1FpVAjkw7
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The Duke of York has told friends he believes he is the victim of a smear campaign and has no intention of standing down as the UK’s special representative for international trade and investment as he has done “nothing improper”.
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“Does he need to change? Yes, he knows that. There will be a period of taking stock. But will he quit? No, and he has the full support of the Palace. He has been attacked from all sides and there are people who clearly want his scalp, but he insists he’s done nothing improper.”

Hanging out with a Sex offender that has been convicted of such a crime is Not Nothing!!! and it is very improper. Who is this jerk trying to kid... himself. And for the Palace backing him up what a Shame. IMO this tells me that PA and the Ones backing him up. That it's ok to hang and run with People that are Known Child Molesters.

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Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Yooper on March 06, 2011, 02:46:48 pm
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"Taking stock"? This sounds, to me, like the epitomy of arrogance and 'don't touch my robe' thinking. What exactly does he mean by knowing he's done something wrong and then in the same train of thought to think that he can continue as before with no consequences? This boggles my mind. There has GOT to be some accountability and I'm sorry, but I'm rather disappointed in HM for not taking a stronger, global stand on this, son or no.

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Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Earth Angel on March 06, 2011, 05:50:09 pm
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Well ... although this could be perceived as a smear campaign, Andrew is hardly a victim. In the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong friends? Perhaps. However, his insolence in not taking more of the blame and shame for his bad judgments is reprehensible and will only lead to more anger on the part of those already insensed. And the pattern of bad judgment has obviously filtered down to his daughters' most recent choice in entertainment venue. ...

There's something very wrong with this picture. Why are the royals normalizing seedy behaviors and not even affected by the perversity of it all? Or so it seems! It's just not right to be condoning such sick & twisted behaviors that have seemingly pervaded the upper eschelons of British society. ...

I don't know that I agree Andrew should lose his position or step down as trade envoy, as I believe he's really not that bad compared to some of the company he keeps. Unfortunately, it's the way of the world in many business circles where power, wealth, and ingratiations have gone to men's heads. However, Andrew needs to turn his back on such company and be the better person by refusing to do business with such people. Ahhh, but then there would be money lost for Britain and apparently the most important point to his work is the almighty dollar! Such a shame.

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Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 05:58:38 pm
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whereas Charles was just the posh, boring future King.

Go figure, Charles hasn't at least been cavorting with models and underage KIDS! I am more than sure while the press bashed Charles, that they never realized what Adnrew would get up to! With anyone normal, siad man would be hanging by a rope.

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Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 07:32:42 pm
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Honestly, since KM has been permitted to marry PW - well, just the fact that she was allowed to keep intimate company with him for so many years, tells me everything I personally need to know about the Windsors.

And, let's not forget about UG - and the *cough* "hard line" that was taken over that.

The fact that a harder line hasn't been taken neither shocks nor impresses me. :bored:

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Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 07:35:30 pm
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^ True, KF, but I think Andrew went "under the radar" because once William and Harry came along, Andrew became redundant, literally.

I hope the same fate doesn't await Prince Harry. :nervous: Look at Andrew's life in latter years: it's been one decadent display to another, a total wastrel and playboy, who seems to have no identity.

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Title: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 08:54:53 pm
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Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
www.deseretnews.com/article/700116035/Prince-Andrew-woes-a-distraction-as-wedding-nears.html?s_cid=rss-5
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Less than two months before a fairytale wedding anticipated by much of the world, Britain's royal family finds itself fighting an inconvenient distraction: revelations that Prince Andrew, the queen's second son, is friends with a convicted sex offender, was photographed with a teenage prostitute, and has been accused of ties to Moammar Gadhafi's Libyan regime.

The Duke of York also hosted the son of the Tunisian dictator shortly before a popular uprising drove him from power — and the buildup of embarrassment has sparked calls that he be stripped of his role as special U.K. trade representative.

So this is being seen as a fairytale wedding just like his Mother and Father...Then Prince William and Kate will be divorced in the near future. Look how His mothers "fairytales wedding turned out to be"

So Prince Andrews headlines are taking away from the wedding oh poo

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 09:45:27 pm
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Exactly ... what arrant nonsense! These journos are a hoot ... the world still spins on its axis and most in this world don't give a damn about this wedding! :eightball:

Here's a figure for these ignorant journos: how about .01% in the world care about this wedding?

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Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: rogue on May 10, 2011, 03:46:46 pm
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I don't understand why they need Andrew for ? Don't they have people in the gov already doing that???KF , its interesting that you are saying that no jobs are coming in , wouldn't there be rapports of the tradings that actually have gone through??

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Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: True Brit on May 10, 2011, 04:43:05 pm
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Rogue there is some misplaced idea that foreign business people like meeting the Royals. It is a Ruritanian fantasy and nothing more. Further it has also been suggested that PA is actually just feathering the nest for the rest of his family. There are figures on the internet claiming the Quene is worth 14 TRILLION most of it salted away in Swiss banks. I do not know the truth of this but what I do know is that after the Second World War the Windsors were very broke indeed and it was only behind the scenes tax breaks and Govt gifts that allowed them to become one of the richest RFs in the world.
If you Google this last bit you will find the information but you may have to dig a bit.

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Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 10, 2011, 07:37:26 pm
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Quote from: rogue on May 10, 2011, 03:46:46 pm
I don't understand why they need Andrew for ? Don't they have people in the gov already doing that???KF , its interesting that you are saying that no jobs are coming in , wouldn't there be rapports of the tradings that actually have gone through??

Exactly. If there had been a sincere rapport and success, the RF would have released a long, frothy article about how Andrew pulled in so many tens of thousands of jobs and there would be tangible proof. However, there isn't and there is no proof that any of these meetings bear fruit.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Nighthawk on June 11, 2011, 06:17:45 am
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Prince Andrew set to be questioned over Jeffrey Epstein sex abuse of underage girls
www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/10/prince-andrew-set-to-be-questioned-over-jeffrey-epstein-sex-abuse-of-underage-girls-115875-23191399/
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Her testimony at a Florida law firm would help strengthen an attempt by lawyers to force the prince to give evidence.

The development will pile pressure on Andrew, 51, to explain what he knew about the activities in Epstein’s multi-million mansion – where the Duke of York was treated to massages.

US financier Epstein, 58, was jailed for 18 months three years ago after admitting soliciting a minor for prostitution. Allegations have been made by up to 40 girls against him and the fresh probe was launched after American Ms Roberts, who now lives in Australia, revealed he forced her to have sex with his friends.

She claims he flew her to London for the first of what she claims were three meetings with Prince Andrew.

Embarrassing 2001 photographs were published of the Duke of York with his arm around the bare midriff of Ms Roberts – then 17 – although there is no suggestion he has done anything wrong.

If asked to answer questions by US lawyers, Prince Andrew could volunteer to co-operate. If he refuses, Ms Roberts’s version of events could be used to make him answer questions on oath.

A US legal source explained: “Her evidence that the Duke of York knows the truth about the sexual abuse of underage girls by Epstein would help compel him to answer questions if he declined to do so.

“It would be for a British court to decide whether the evidence is strong enough. If it is, then the Duke of York could be compelled to give sworn testimony in the UK.”

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A source close to the Duke of York said he had had no involvement with underage girls and “no knowledge” of Epstein’s activities until they were reported in the media.

Right being charged and arrested for sexual abuse which hit the papers ...PA had no knowledge of this guys activities. Then PA needs to find better people to be doing background checks on assoicates :rolleyes:

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2011, 07:48:22 am
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I'm sure hte courtiers DID warn Andrew, but Andrew (like the rest of the RF) simply did not listen.

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Title: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Nighthawk on April 05, 2014, 12:30:47 pm
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The bombshell court document that claims Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597308/The-bombshell-court-document-claims-Prince-Andrew-knew-billionaire-friends-abuse-age-girls.html#ixzz2y0hxHvUW
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Document details conversation between solicitor and Virginia Roberts, 30
Ms Roberts regarded by prosecutors as 'victim' of financier Jeffrey Epstein
Epstein, 61, was jailed in 2008 for soliciting under-age girls for prostitution
He counted numerous celebrities, politicians and socialites as his friends
He was also on chummy terms with the Duke of York and Sarah Ferguson
Ms Roberts claims that, aged 15, she was introduced to Prince three times
Document questions how much Duke knew about his friend's peccadillos
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Perhaps most controversially, he was also on chummy terms with two senior figures in British royal circles: the Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson.
Epstein was first arrested in 2005, after the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told Florida police that he’d paid her daughter $200 (£120) for an ‘erotic massage’.
An FBI investigation then led to Epstein being accused of keeping a harem of women — many of them vulnerable teenagers — at his luxury homes in New York and Palm Beach, and on a private island in the Caribbean.
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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 02:58:32 pm
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This is just disturbing. What's up with the royals associating with pedophiles?

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 05, 2014, 09:27:36 pm
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^ Seems a penchant for that type of thing runs in the family going back many many years.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 09:53:14 pm
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Oh yes it does. And it certainly seems to run in this family. Horrid.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 05, 2014, 10:08:55 pm
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But has Andrew actually... you know...? :ick: Something just isn't right about this family.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 10:11:46 pm
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I don't think Andrew ever has but you never know.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 05, 2014, 11:00:26 pm
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Quote from: gingerboy24 on April 05, 2014, 09:27:36 pm
^ Seems a penchant for that type of thing runs in the family going back many many years.

That's for sure!
I recently watched a video of a brave woman asking 'Sham Cam' what her husband intended to do about paedophilia which, as if she didn’t already know is rampant. I believe that the British Royal family and political Establishment are fundamentally involved in this right to the top. Right up to the people like the Dark Prince (Philip).

Remember seedy, evil Saville enjoyed an unbelievable level of access to the Royal Family for the past 40 years and it's since emerged that more than 70 per cent of his victims were under 18 and one was as young as eight. Of, course we are to believe that Charlie boy wasn't in any way involved and in his sixties is still naive. Murdered human remains were found at Sandringham estate, but lets no mention that for now.
Now his half-brother Andy and his friendship with a vile alleged paedophile 'Epstein', is making headlines. No surprise there when you consider the debased world that they inhabit. :spy:

The comment below is very enlightening. Obvious to me that royals (mafioso) members are exempt from punishment, penalty, and harm. Justice, what a farce, old boy network right enough!

"US Dept of Justice gave Epstein a free pass – ie negotiated a Federal non prosecution agreement, under which he could be no major case in a US Federal Court that would have resulted in a 20 year sentence. Epstein had the best lawyers money could buy in New York, including former lawyers from the Dept of Justice and the White House who were close to Bush. More crucially – the non prosecution agreement covered his associates who worked for him, like Ghislane Maxwell and others who procured young girls for him; and would have included other VIPs who could have been indicted if they had also had sex with under age minors in more than one state or even outside the borders of the US, say in the US Virgin Islands. This allegedly could have included a very famous person whose name appeared in the popular prints in England. One matter of crucial interest was the timing. The deal on the Federal non prosecution agreement was done in the run up of HM The Queen’s visit to the US in May, 2007, for the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown settlement. The other interesting feature was the decision of the special tribunal in New York to place Epstein on the highest rank of sex offenders. His lawyers fought this tooth and nail and the hearings lasted many many weeks. The records/transcripts of these hearings in the state Appellate Division should be available for public inspection. The court heard there was “clear and convincing evidence” against him. To be a Level 3 offender, the evidence had to have been pretty strong. We have not seen that evidence. Someone should go find it".

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 12:32:57 am
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in every way I believe it is in the best interests of the US to ally itself with the UK. And like may Americans I place a high value on this friendship. But - the price of this alliance seems to be that we have to cover up for every slimy dumb thing that members of the RF do. When those cover ups include something as vile as this guy Epstein - it sickens me.
How about instead of covering up for these fools - these fools clean up their act? It has been said before that they have no incentive to clean up because there are never any consequences. This is true -Brits - please apply some consequences to these creepy people who associate with pedophiles!!!

Now at least Epstein is on the sex offenders list so people know what he is. But he served no jail time and his slimy associates served no jail time. And it appears he got away with this because of the RF and specifically because it would have involved slimy Andrew. Geez- at least HM could police her own slimy family members.

Then consider that Andy is still on the loose traipsing around on private holidays in Asia doing heaven only knows what. That he is still influencing another generation of Royals - namely Harry. What is wrong with these people? Have they no decency? No common sense? At best both Charles and Andrew have demonstrated terrible judgment when it comes to people by associating with Epstein and Saville. And it could be worse than simply bad judgment. And with regards to both Saville and Epstein it appears that their relationships with royals - PC and Andrew - allowed them to get away with their vile activities. This is simply unacceptable. How can Andrew even show his face in the UK given this? Why is their no investigation into the role PC may have played protecting Saville from prosecution?


And then we watch these two march down the aisle at Westminster as if they were upright Christians. Geez - the hypocrisy.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2014, 04:27:43 am
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There is no way he can be defended or ever be part of any charitable activity involving children. How on earth can any reputable charity possibly allow him to represent them and once parents of any children involved in these charities end up finding out about this, there will be an outcry.

The Yorks are nothing but leeching seedy spoiled monsters and as far as I'm concerned, I hope Charles does cut them off once he becomes King.
Quote from: Nighthawk on April 05, 2014, 12:30:47 pm
The bombshell court document that claims Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597308/The-bombshell-court-document-claims-Prince-Andrew-knew-billionaire-friends-abuse-age-girls.html#ixzz2y0hxHvUW
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Document details conversation between solicitor and Virginia Roberts, 30
Ms Roberts regarded by prosecutors as 'victim' of financier Jeffrey Epstein
Epstein, 61, was jailed in 2008 for soliciting under-age girls for prostitution
He counted numerous celebrities, politicians and socialites as his friends
He was also on chummy terms with the Duke of York and Sarah Ferguson
Ms Roberts claims that, aged 15, she was introduced to Prince three times
Document questions how much Duke knew about his friend's peccadillos
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Perhaps most controversially, he was also on chummy terms with two senior figures in British royal circles: the Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson.
Epstein was first arrested in 2005, after the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told Florida police that he’d paid her daughter $200 (£120) for an ‘erotic massage’.
An FBI investigation then led to Epstein being accused of keeping a harem of women — many of them vulnerable teenagers — at his luxury homes in New York and Palm Beach, and on a private island in the Caribbean.
:bat:

I think this might end up with Andrew being stripped of his title whether HM likes it or not; once the mainstream press covers this regularly, I am certain that the public will demand Andrew's removal from residing in the palaces, if he isn't outright completely banished from Britain as a result of this.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 04:46:40 am
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KF I wish you were right but this has been going on for years and Andy still does his thing. When the scandal broke several years ago he should have been forced into a retired out of the public life along with Sarah - never saw a freebie I did not accept - ex-wife. But she has a reality TV show and is hawking tea bags and he is sponsoring a new charity that yes - involves teens.

I put this on HM too - she did not know that a vile person like Epstein got off because it would be embarrassment to her while she toured the US? She did not force Andy into retirement out of public life after he was involved in this? Supposedly he swore to her he never did anything with the young girls - and maybe he didn't - but he was there during the parties - he knew what was going on - he was photographed with his arms around one of the teen girls - that made him an accessory.

We get distracted from the important stuff by discussions about Kate's jewels and Cressie's newest pr campaign - this is the sort of stuff we should pay attention to - this is who the RF really are.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2014, 05:12:37 am
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I think the US and UK will do well, but we need to sideline the RF and do more social stuff with the elected officials.

I believe that if given the right push, that yes, the RF will end up suffering because of this; it's on the DM now and the fact that the DM is covering this is telling me that the press is no longer going to 'work with' the RF on anything. It will cost the RF dear in the US if this hits the mainstream, I know that much.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 06, 2014, 02:08:00 pm
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I'm not sure about that Kuei Fei; this story seems to have only been reported in the Daily Mail - when Andrew uploaded his selfie on Twitter, that was reported in other outlets such as the Telegraph (a pro-Establishment/monarchist paper). I'm sure you've already noticed the convenient timing - this story has been released on the eve of W/K's Antipodean tour, and the latest chapter in Harry/Cressida appeared on their site a few hours later, receiving top-billing - classic snowjob techniques which leads me to believe that the media is still at the RF's beck and call. But they're not suppressing the story altogether like they would have done in the past, which I suppose is progress.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2014, 02:15:40 pm
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vimeo.com/89249712 (http://vimeo.com/89249712)
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March 2011. FBI to reopen investigation into disgraced banker Jeffrey Epstein following Mail on Sunday revelations about sexual exploitation of teenage girls + links with high-profile individuals, incl Prince Andrew.

This is from 3 years ago and I can't find one word about it anywhere now in any other major news outlet. I could be missing something but there seems to be a major smack down with this and the media when it comes to PA. That's just not cool.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 06, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
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^ Our best hope is that an outlet like the Guardian picks this story up and runs with it like they're doing Charles's suppressed letters to to govt ministers. I'm surprised the US media isn't reporting on this as it concerns a US citizen and the RF has no influence over foreign press. (They'd probably run it if they could somehow link it back to Kim Kardashian though.)

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2014, 03:52:50 pm
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^I agree. This really confuses me that the US media hasn't run with this. I'll keep an eye out. Perhaps they're waiting for Virginia Roberts' statements in court and the eventual civil suit?

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 06, 2014, 04:42:24 pm
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Quote from: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 12:32:57 am
in every way I believe it is in the best interests of the US to ally itself with the UK. And like may Americans I place a high value on this friendship. But - the price of this alliance seems to be that we have to cover up for every slimy dumb thing that members of the RF do. When those cover ups include something as vile as this guy Epstein - it sickens me.
How about instead of covering up for these fools - these fools clean up their act? It has been said before that they have no incentive to clean up because there are never any consequences. This is true -Brits - please apply some consequences to these creepy people who associate with pedophiles!!!

Now at least Epstein is on the sex offenders list so people know what he is. But he served no jail time and his slimy associates served no jail time. And it appears he got away with this because of the RF and specifically because it would have involved slimy Andrew. Geez- at least HM could police her own slimy family members.

Then consider that Andy is still on the loose traipsing around on private holidays in Asia doing heaven only knows what. That he is still influencing another generation of Royals - namely Harry. What is wrong with these people? Have they no decency? No common sense? At best both Charles and Andrew have demonstrated terrible judgment when it comes to people by associating with Epstein and Saville. And it could be worse than simply bad judgment. And with regards to both Saville and Epstein it appears that their relationships with royals - PC and Andrew - allowed them to get away with their vile activities. This is simply unacceptable. How can Andrew even show his face in the UK given this? Why is their no investigation into the role PC may have played protecting Saville from prosecution?


And then we watch these two march down the aisle at Westminster as if they were upright Christians. Geez - the hypocrisy.

:goodpost:

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 06, 2014, 05:19:26 pm
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Revelations and allegations point to the royals being up to their eyeballs in this.
During a visit by the Queen and Prince Philip to Canada they selected children to go on a picnic with them and they were never seen again! This strory has been around a long time. I can supply a link to this story for anyone interested.
Just been reading about the horrendous accounts of kidnapping, murder and torture of children. I am not going to supply the link because of it's horrific nature, but I'm really feeling very angry right now.
The elite have connections to every corner of the world, including the Middle East, children are being killed and tortured in snuff movies to satisfy a religious doctrine of satanic proportions.

My goodness, seedy, slippery customer, Andrew is bad enough, I’m having trouble getting my mind around the frightful news, apparently Queenie has been named in an International alleged paedophile Ring.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 02, 2015, 11:03:02 pm
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In 2006 when this first came up - and it is a long story - the belief was Epstein got off light because the Queen was about to make a visit to Jamestown commemorating the first English colony in the now US. The story was in all the papers and TV so it would have embarrassed the Queen during her visit so the plea bargain was arranged.

Or so it was claimed in the papers.

Do recall that Epstein made a 1 million dollar gift to Andy to pay off Fergie's debts.

This is why I have no use for either Andy or Fergie. At the very least Andrew attended the parties - was pictured with young girls draped on his arm at the parties - and he was aware of what Epstein was into and did not seek to stop it. I think at least ethically if not legally this makes him an accomplice. Yet he accepted serious money from him and continued his friendship with him even after the plea bargain. The man is a disgrace and should have been forced to retire from public life - that he did not have sex with any of the girls at least he claims - does not remove his culpability in what was a very ugly affair.



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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 11:32:18 pm
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He knew what was going on though, no way did he NOT know what was going on. He socialized with the man who was known to be mixed up with that vile actions. His daughters need to stop leeching off of the monarchy as well. They have no business making Charles' job harder, who has enough problems with his sons.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 02, 2015, 11:35:37 pm
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The BRF will work some serious mojo and this will disappear from the media

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: windsor2 on January 03, 2015, 12:00:25 am
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I'm not sure they can this time. I think that if Epstein's facing a long jail sentence or interference with his lavish lifestyle, then I beleive he'll throw Andrew and others under the bus. According to the VF story, he has info on those who the girls mess with to blackmail them. Umm, he must have something on Andrew and would use it to be left alone from the authorities, so I guess the royals will use their mojo to get Andrew out of this.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 03, 2015, 12:04:49 am
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there were all sorts of fat cats involved in this - the girls claim prime ministers and politicians etc - so it wasn't just Andrew and clearly there were lots of reasons to let Epstein off easy along with saving the Queen from embarassment.

But it seems to me what the RF does not get is that even if Andrew did not have sex with any of these girls - he participated in the parties and knew what was going on. He was close friends with a man who engaged in procurement of underage girls for a sex trafficking ring. That in itself is damning.
He accepted large sums of money from this man to get his ex wife out of her constant state of debt which goes to show yet again what a liability Fergie is. Yet both of them enjoy the Queen's favor.

How Andrew escaped public censure over this the first time round is beyond me - how anyone could excuse even his attendance at the parties is beyond me. So it seems to me that he will once again escape any censure over this newest revelation. But it is like water on a rock - these sorts of things wear away at the reputation not just of Andrew but the whole family and the monarchy. The RF needs to get it together and stop being so tone deaf to the impression this kind of ugly stuff creates. Clean it up.

It is the fed prosecutors who are the object of this suit - so Andy is unlikely to be called to testify or be charged. But one wonders who else was involved in all this.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 12:49:16 am
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The BRF has to be the one single family that has one member after another embroiled in a mess.
Quote from: Fly on the wall on January 02, 2015, 11:35:37 pm
The BRF will work some serious mojo and this will disappear from the media

I don't think so; these days, the BRF doesn't intimidate anyone and any kind of cover-up leaves them vulnerable.

Look at how the BRF couldn't stop the spread of those photos of Kate buck-naked on the balcony in France; all over the DM, all over the world tabloids, all over the internet. This is going to be on public record no matter what the BRF tries to cover up and lately, victims are no longer just rolling over and being silent.

The man is named in a lawsuit and chances are the court will send a request that will turn into an order for him to appear. If he refuses, he'll get slapped with a warrant.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 12:51:58 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to .

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 03, 2015, 03:46:20 am
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agree Rosella - Andrew needs to pursue a quiet life out of the pubic eye - he should under no circumstances represent the Queen at events. Not everyone is so blasé about this kind of scandal.

But I doubt he'll do that - the Queen won't confront it and his ego won't allow him to do it.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 03:51:24 am
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Quote from: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 12:51:58 am
Quote from: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to .

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.

I don't know; these days scandals can't be smothered and all someone has to do is go on an interview and talk. Lately the BRF is on the defensive more than they are on the offensive.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 11:46:18 am
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There's no way this can be stopped IMO.
They can try to drag it along for years and years but it will not go away.
Not even a prince can get away with pedophilia or other crimes so there will be an investigation.
Remember the Spanish princes who faces trial for fraud after years and years of stalling.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 03, 2015, 12:25:59 pm
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Quote from: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 12:51:58 am
Quote from: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to .

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.

I agree . . . Bill Clinton has been named in this mess as well. The Clintons are notorious for making all their scandals simply "go away". Hillary was in charge of making the "bimbos" from Bill's life go away, so I expect she'll get to work on this one because she's running for president.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Ariel on January 03, 2015, 01:14:15 pm
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i'm sorry but even if they try to make it go away - Andrew is a s**bag and deserves to rot in hell. but prison first. an american prison. where he can be in the company of people like him. pedophiles. not only were these girls under age but they were slaved. and he knew that. and this is not the first report about him doing such despicable things. he deserves to be brought in court and sentenced. same with Bill Clinton - its about time we get rid of this low life. they should't allow such people in senate. Hillary will never get my vote. a woman should have self respect and dignity and ditch such s**mbag of a husband. instead - she's covering for him. yuk

Andrew should be registered as a sex offender and treated as the criminal he is.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 01:28:12 pm
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Quote from: Ariel on January 03, 2015, 01:14:15 pm
i'm sorry but even if they try to make it go away - Andrew is a s**bag and deserves to rot in hell. but prison first. an american prison. where he can be in the company of people like him. pedophiles. not only were these girls under age but they were slaved. and he knew that. and this is not the first report about him doing such despicable things. he deserves to be brought in court and sentenced. same with Bill Clinton - its about time we get rid of this low life. they should't allow such people in senate. Hillary will never get my vote. a woman should have self respect and dignity and ditch such s**mbag of a husband. instead - she's covering for him. yuk

Andrew should be registered as a sex offender and treated as the criminal he is.

Andrew isn't on trial, this is a civil case, not a criminal one and he hasnt been put on trial or found guilty. He shouldn't remain a senior royal, in my opinion, because of the rancid company he keeps, but it is innocent before being proven guilty in all courts in Britain, the US and Commonwealth countries, isnt it?.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 02:11:43 pm
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895366/Prince-Andrew-lobbied-government-easy-Jeffrey-Epstein-Palace-denies-claims-royal-tried-use-influence-help-billionaire-alleged paedophile-2008-police-probe.html
Pressuring the US government to get Epstein out as soon as possible so he allegedly could get more"massages" from girls as young as 12.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 04:11:55 pm
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I see the DM is afraid of publishing the comments here.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 04:26:11 pm
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I can see why.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Ariel on January 03, 2015, 04:34:58 pm
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Quote from: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 01:28:12 pm
Andrew isn't on trial, this is a civil case, not a criminal one and he hasnt been put on trial or found guilty. He shouldn't remain a senior royal, in my opinion, because of the rancid company he keeps, but it is innocent before being proven guilty in all courts in Britain, the US and Commonwealth countries, isnt it?.

when there is smoke there is fire.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Val on January 03, 2015, 04:49:32 pm
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 04:11:55 pm
I see the DM is afraid of publishing the comments here.

Usual MO and the story takes the heat off the Medds et al allegedly sneaking off to another sunshine holiday the day after Boxing Day.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 03, 2015, 05:05:25 pm
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^ It's only a matter of time.

I'm beginning to wonder what their going to pull out of their arses to distract from this scandal with Andrew. Maybe a scare and a few days in the hospital for Waity? This would also justify a vacation and work stoppage for the dastardly duo.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 11:53:18 pm
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Yeah, sure, a man who hangs around a alleged pedophile and goes to alleged pedophile parties is innocent of any kind of such misconduct.

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The first full account of the masseuse at the center of the explosive Prince Andrew 'sex slave' drama... but is she telling the truth?

Prince accused of abusing 'Jane Doe 3' at orgy where she was 'sex slave'
Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, whose story was first uncovered in 2007
She told extraordinary story of three years working for billionaire Epstein
Said that she was paid to give erotic massages to tycoon and associates
Claimed Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert, acted as his 'madame'
Palace has emphatically denied Prince had relations with underage girls
Now the most complete story yet of this young woman can be published

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895735/The-account-masseuse-centre-explosive-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-drama-telling-truth.html#ixzz3No0Y86b7

I'm saying that Andrew had his own 'fun' and I bet at some point it'll come out. The Enquirer has broken such stories in the past and I'm certain that at some point Andrew will be outed. She was groomed and used.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Freya on January 04, 2015, 12:09:52 am
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It sounds as if he is trying to brazen it out. This girl must be very brave to take on the establishment like this. She is bound to receive money for her story but it's a huge risk if it's untrue.

There were parties with Russian "models" and it all sounds a very sleazy.


I don't know how much more sleaze that the RF can take. The Queen has carried out her duty as Head of State brilliantly but she has neglected her role as a mother.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 12:33:05 am
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Quote from: Fly on the wall on January 03, 2015, 10:58:40 pm
phil dampier @phildampier ·
According to reports Prince Andrew is due home Sunday from ski-ing holiday in Switzerland. Will he lie low or come out fighting?

Nick Sutton @suttonnick ·
Mail on Sunday front page - Andrew: No, I did not have sex with that girl #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dQvnzIYAAhE2I.jpg:large

Sound familiar to anyone?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs)

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 12:33:46 am
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Quote from: gingerboy24 on January 03, 2015, 10:25:13 pm
Maybe, who knows. Rather suspect it would be from the American side first though if they want to protect Clinton so badly.

Not if part of the plan is to mess up Hilary's upcoming presidential bid.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 12:42:39 am
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If this truly blows up the way it has potential to, the only way to not damage relations is for the PM/Parliment to publicly distance themselves from the Firm. Not doing so will make it look like they are guilty by association and were somehow covering for them. The republicans will have a field day with this.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 01:00:31 am
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Think this is all signalling the end of the monarchy really, first Charles with Saville and now this!

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: MelissaRose on January 04, 2015, 01:05:36 am
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Quote from: india on January 03, 2015, 07:18:06 pm
I don't know about that. He is the Queen's favorite child. She will protect him at all costs.

Why is that though? He seems the most useless! Should be Anne or Charles really...

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:32:43 am
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Quote from: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 12:42:39 am
If this truly blows up the way it has potential to, the only way to not damage relations is for the PM/Parliment to publicly distance themselves from the Firm. Not doing so will make it look like they are guilty by association and were somehow covering for them. The republicans will have a field day with this.

I'm sure the Republicans are livid about the victimized kids and writing one editorial after another and publishing on their websites.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Adeline on January 04, 2015, 01:33:14 am
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I truly hope that these allegations about Andrew aren't true. Because if they are true, it's sickening and disgusting to think that he was doing this to girls not much younger than his own daughters.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:36:23 am
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Quote from: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 12:33:05 am
Quote from: Fly on the wall on January 03, 2015, 10:58:40 pm
phil dampier @phildampier ·
According to reports Prince Andrew is due home Sunday from ski-ing holiday in Switzerland. Will he lie low or come out fighting?

Nick Sutton @suttonnick ·
Mail on Sunday front page - Andrew: No, I did not have sex with that girl #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dQvnzIYAAhE2I.jpg:large

Sound familiar to anyone?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs)

Sounds perfectly familiar.

Andrew is finished.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 01:40:21 am
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She shouldn't run anyway. Why take on the headache of being president when she could sit back on her millions and enjoy being a grandmother.
He sounds like a complete bore and would go after young girls who don't know much. This lady would be beyond nuts to make up a story such as this. Anyway, Wills must be relieved that he can carry on being lazy because the press is now on Andrew's back.
^^I think that the alligations could very well be true. Lets say that he didn't have sex with any of them, he was still around them, maybe feeling them up and taking massages from them. It's still sleezyness anyway. i think that the so called upper class have a very odd way of looking at sex. i don't think that they have any feelings because they seem to have affairs like it's nothing.
^yeah, Bill Clinton really made a mess of it when he looked at the camera and lied about never having sex with that woman. Eugenie's bunking off work hanging out with the waster Cressida and I guess Fergie and Andrew are also entow swanning around the fancy ski resort.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:42:53 am
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He could be an accessory to a crime, since he knew about the criminal acts, but failed to notify the police and cooperate with law enforcement.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 01:46:38 am
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Whichever way you look at it, he's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Little wonder Kate with her Uncle Gary was allowed to get this far, they're all in the same sleazy mud pit together. :thumbsdown:

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Adeline on January 04, 2015, 01:47:22 am
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Could this Andrew scandal be the one that finally opens the floodgates to everything else the RF has covered up?

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 04, 2015, 01:53:29 am
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This lady would be beyond nuts to make up a story such as this

I agree Windsor, and that is why I tend to believe her.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 02:05:22 am
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Perhaps. This could also be the lightening rod that changes the way they treat the princes and how they relate to the press. The princes shouldnb't be protected by the courtiers, HM and MI5/6. Even if this story goes away, Andrew's still scared imo. Unlike Clinton who has some redeeming qualities and talent, Andrew has neither in order to build his rep back. He's useless and his finished, imo.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:26:52 am
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There is no way that anyone can protect Andrew, not even HM or the intelligence officers of the British services. First, this is an attack on a US citizen. Second, this is an assault on US soil and Epstein is now officially a known alleged pedophile. Andrew will have to be offered up if the UK is going to sustain relations with the US as allies.

As for not protecting the princes, that has to end. It's not right that the courtiers keep getting so much dumped on their shoulders and end up covering up something as heinous as this. I never understood why the BRF protects the members of the royal family from their crimes, if they are committed.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:28:16 am
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Right. Most sexual abuse victims don't admit unless they have the truth on their side. Look at how Cosby has fallen. It only took a few brave women and then all the others came out.
Quote from: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 01:46:38 am
Whichever way you look at it, he's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Little wonder Kate with her Uncle Gary was allowed to get this far, they're all in the same sleazy mud pit together. :thumbsdown:

Any bets that an Uncle Gary expose is next?

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:34:13 am
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^ Fingers crossed!

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:37:30 am
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First, of course he didn't have sex with 'that' woman, since he wasn't messing around with a woman, he was messing around with a child.

Harvard law professor named alongside Prince Andrew in 'sex-slave' case accuses alleged victim of 'making up stories'

Jeffrey Epstein was jailed for soliciting girls for underage prostitution
Woman said she was 'forced' to have sex with Prince Andrew at parties
Her lawyers claim he lobbied US government against Epstein's prosecution
Alan Dershowitz, also named in paper, claims they are 'made-up stories'
The royal issued a strong denial of ALL the 'categorically untrue' claims
Alleged victim hit back by saying she would not be 'bullied into silence'
'She was told to give the prince whatever he demanded by Epstein'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895366/Prince-Andrew-lobbied-government-easy-Jeffrey-Epstein-Palace-denies-claims-royal-tried-use-influence-help-billionaire-alleged paedophile-2008-police-probe.html#ixzz3NogC6Clv

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:39:14 am
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This could get really ugly, really quickly. As much as I *despise* that this happened in the first place, as someone who has worked with abused children, I'm elated that this is being exposed.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02::10 am
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It's getting worse by the minute; the DM is releasing one round of news and information after another.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3NohNI6iO

I'm surprised the DM is being so open and informative about this.

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Post by: danifaul on January 04, 2015, 04:03:53 am
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I remember Fergie failing to show for breakfast at Balmor@l when the toe sucking was front page. Guess tomorrow is Prince Andrews turn #Ouch

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Buckingham Palace normally buries its head in the sand & waits for potential scandal to blow over. Aides are coming out fighting this time.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 04:23:28 am
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WTF's wrong with HM? She's raised idiotic spoilt children wh use their social standing to get away with everything and scoffs at being told they did something wrong. Let's say he did nothing sexual with the girls which is highly unlikely, imo, he's still brefriending a known pedifile and taking money from him. HM should really tell this fool off and strip him of that honor she gave him a while back to show she supported him. I think that she needs to put her foot down somehow because it'sll look really bad for HM to pat this twit on his head and try and make this go away. It'd be great f she unleashed years of pent up frustration at how she protected her kids but they turned out to be mostly spoilt people who expects her to bail them out of the trouble they get themselves into. This is the one time she can't expect to make this scandal go away by calling in favors.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kit on January 04, 2015, 04:32:39 am
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IMO, if it's true that Andrew is a creep it explains his relationship with Fergie.

She moves back in bc he's a pervert. She traded access to her girls (I'm not suggesting anything other than custodial rights) for a roof over her head. How embarrassing would it have been for HM's son to lose custodial rights to Fergie? It would also explain HM's tolerance for Fergie's behavior over the years.

She's still around bc she's a good cover for him not moving on and finding a new wife. Since he apparently likes young girls.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: CarryingOn on January 04, 2015, 04:38:23 am
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Just gotta wait and see. I'm certainly going to :cookie:

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 04:40: am
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Quote from: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 04:23:28 am
WTF's wrong with HM?

She refuses to face these things head on like an adult.
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She's raised idiotic spoilt children wh use their social standing to get away with everything and scoffs at being told they did something wrong. Let's say he did nothing sexual with the girls which is highly unlikely, imo, he's still brefriending a known pedifile and taking money from him. HM should really tell this fool off and strip him of that honor she gave him a while back to show she supported him. I think that she needs to put her foot down somehow because it'sll look really bad for HM to pat this twit on his head and try and make this go away. It'd be great f she unleashed years of pent up frustration at how she protected her kids but they turned out to be mostly spoilt people who expects her to bail them out of the trouble they get themselves into. This is the one time she can't expect to make this scandal go away by calling in favors.

She's a weak Queen, she refuses to understand that kicking Andrew to the curb would in fact SAVE her dynasty.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 04:57: am
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read the story told by the Queen's cousins Margaret Rhodes - she thinks this makes her look good - these people have no idea they are clueless.

Andrew can have all the support in the world from the Queen (did the Palace dictate that article to the Telegraph?) but his reputation is done now.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 05:26:28 am
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Epstein has been a known alleged pedophile and sex trafficker since 2007. What is new here is that four of his victims - have filed suit that their rights as victims were ignored - that Epstein used his powerful personal connections to get a easy plea bargain. So his personal relationships are now an issue and what those people did to help him - if anything - is an issue. So Andrew and others not named yet - if it can be proved that Andrew or others attempted to intervene on Epstein's behalf - then it is likely the women win their case. Wonder when this gets to court.

Somehow I do not think Andrew tried to intervene with the US Justice Dept to get Epstein off - he is not important enough in the RF to have that sort of influence and one hopes he is not that stupid.

And how can this girl prove he had sex with her? Unless it is verified by one of the other four claimants? Most of the other girls have had financial settlements with Epstein and signed non disclosure agreements.

The RF had best not misjudge the public mood - this could very easily start to look like David against Goliath - these poor exploited women against powerful wealthy men. Easy to see who the public will back.

What is interesting is that two of the women went to court to prove they had the right to sue the federal prosecutors for violating their rights as victims - and the court agreed. So now they are getting ready to sue the prosecutors who gave Epstein the easy plea. I wonder if this means the sealed documents from the plea bargain will now be opened? That would be interesting.

As for this affecting the US UK alliance - not a chance. Too important. Now people who would have ordinarily been seen in public with Andrew will not shun him publically - but he is unlikely to be invited to state dinners at the White House. But was he ever?

I would not believe everything said in that Telegraph article - read between the lines perhaps. HM has to show support for him - to throw him to the wolves is to admit he did wrong. They will try to ride this storm out. But that doesn't mean Andrew is not going to suffer any consequences. I'd say - the important part of that article is about whether he continues in his duties. See over time if his schedule changes then we'll know the truth about how the Queen reacted to this.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 05:32:30 am
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Thing is, once this takes off in the US, I'm certain that it'll get buku coverage; with the Cosby scandal fresh, I'm sure that the public will be fascinated with this one too.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 05:41:16 am
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Quote from: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 05:26:28 am
Epstein has been a known alleged pedophile and sex trafficker since 2007. What is new here is that four of his victims - have filed suit that their rights as victims were ignored - that Epstein used his powerful personal connections to get a easy plea bargain. So his personal relationships are now an issue and what those people did to help him - if anything - is an issue. So Andrew and others not named yet - if it can be proved that Andrew or others attempted to intervene on Epstein's behalf - then it is likely the women win their case. Wonder when this gets to court.

Somehow I do not think Andrew tried to intervene with the US Justice Dept to get Epstein off - he is not important enough in the RF to have that sort of influence and one hopes he is not that stupid.

And how can this girl prove he had sex with her? Unless it is verified by one of the other four claimants? Most of the other girls have had financial settlements with Epstein and signed non disclosure agreements.

The RF had best not misjudge the public mood - this could very easily start to look like David against Goliath - these poor exploited women against powerful wealthy men. Easy to see who the public will back.

What is interesting is that two of the women went to court to prove they had the right to sue the federal prosecutors for violating their rights as victims - and the court agreed. So now they are getting ready to sue the prosecutors who gave Epstein the easy plea. I wonder if this means the sealed documents from the plea bargain will now be opened? That would be interesting.

As for this affecting the US UK alliance - not a chance. Too important. Now people who would have ordinarily been seen in public with Andrew will not shun him publically - but he is unlikely to be invited to state dinners at the White House. But was he ever?

I would not believe everything said in that Telegraph article - read between the lines perhaps. HM has to show support for him - to throw him to the wolves is to admit he did wrong. They will try to ride this storm out. But that doesn't mean Andrew is not going to suffer any consequences. I'd say - the important part of that article is about whether he continues in his duties. See over time if his schedule changes then we'll know the truth about how the Queen reacted to this.

Yes, Cate it will be all hands on deck to help support this awful man, son, brother, father, in this emergency situation. However, one can't imagine Charles being impressed at all, and increasingly it is his voice that is heard in family conferences. Nor can I imagine the Queen being anything other than appalled.

If his schedule decreases over the next few months and his air travel is restricted we will know Andrew has received his come-uppance. (Frankly, if I never heard of him or Fergie again it would be absolutely no loss.) With few friends left Fergie might even have to live within her budget. Now that would be something to see!

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 06:25:27 am
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It would be the most hypocritical thing ever for them to pat Andrew on the head and tell him they'll get him out of this one when Harry got a major dressing down with the whole Vegas thing, unbelievable. That family makes me sick!!! :ick: Seriously Harry, Zara, and Peter are the only sane ones there. Not all that sure on the Yorkie girls.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 06:36:53 am
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Why are they protecting him? They're only going to take a nice large wrecking ball to the dynasty if this continues.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3Npe3BH8K
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Ghislaine Maxwell with Jeffrey Epstein (left) at Sandringham in 2000 and at an event in New York in 2010

Invited to Sandringham?

Circumstantial evidence has been piling up and I am certain that at some point something is going to pop out and the Windsors will be (deservedly) toasted.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 08:25:36 am
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Why are they protecting him? They're only going to take a nice large wrecking ball to the dynasty if this continues.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3Npe3BH8K
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Ghislaine Maxwell with Jeffrey Epstein (left) at Sandringham in 2000 and at an event in New York in 2010

Invited to Sandringham?

Circumstantial evidence has been piling up and I am certain that at some point something is going to pop out and the Windsors will be (deservedly) toasted.


They were invited to Wood Farm Sandringham as Andrew's guests, not to the big house as the Queen's. And that was in 2000.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 08:30:04 am
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Quote from: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 06:25:27 am
It would be the most hypocritical thing ever for them to pat Andrew on the head and tell him they'll get him out of this one when Harry got a major dressing down with the whole Vegas thing, unbelievable. That family makes me sick!!! :ick: Seriously Harry, Zara, and Peter are the only sane ones there. Not all that sure on the Yorkie girls.

Who's saying they'll get him out of anything? The family being supportive of a son, brother, father who is in trouble, while probably being devastated at his behaviour, isn't the same as trying to 'get him out of' something.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 06:40:34 pm
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I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused. There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow. I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow.

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Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Val on January 04, 2015, 06:47:49 pm
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The UK public are baying for blood after the Saville scandal and Westminster cover ups. The RF are going to have big trouble making the Andy accusations go away, especially when there are witnesses to him being at poolside parties with naked girls and others coming forward to support the girl and her claims.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 08:51:00 pm
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but Andrew is not being legally charged with anything and it is likely the statue of limitations has run out.

Jane Doe (Virginia) wants to be part of the lawsuit against the federal prosecutors who cut the deal with Epstein so she has had her lawyer file a brief describing why she too was a victim and hence should be part of the civil suit. The court has to rule on this. This is how Andrew's name came up - in the brief filed describing her experience as a victim. It is unlikely anyone else is going to be prosecuted for this. That is the whole point of the lawsuit - that the girls rights as victims were denied when the fed guys cut the easy plea bargain with Epstein and did not prosecute others involved.

But - it is likely that when they get to trial the sealed documents from the original investigation will now be made public and the names of the men involved may come out. The worse thing that will happen to Andrew and this is bad enough - is his reputation is dirt now. There has been no announcement from the prosecutors office that more indictments would be made or that a criminal investigation is going to be reopened. This is a civil suit against the federal prosecutors not a criminal charge against Andrew or others.

Plus because Andrew is not going to be put on trial he also has no way to defend himself other than to deny it or engage in some legal wrangling the way the other named guy - Dershowitz is.

The criminal prosecution ended in 2007 - Epstein went to jail then. Dershowitz was his attorney then. At that time there was a belief stated in the newspapers that Epstein got off so easy because of his powerful friends.

The papers have not made it clear yet when this civil suit will come to court - it must be soon. So when that happens all the gruesome details will be coming out and in the media. The result of that trial at most is that the federal prosecutors will have to pay damages to the victims. That will discourage other fed prosecutors from cutting plea bargains like this.

Andrew is not going to jail for this - but his reputation is toast.


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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 04, 2015, 09:01:29 pm
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Apparently Epstein had hidden cameras in the bedrooms to film his 'friends' with under aged girls. There are said to be several copies circulating so I wonder how BP will deal with any featuring Andrew as he must have been the prize guest.
To date BP have 'categorically denied his involvement'. The butler at Palm Springs is alleged to have said that Andrew was frequently seen at the pool parties with naked girls. Others have come out to support the girl involved with Andrew.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
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You know, during the Affair of the Necklace, Marie Antoinette was not on trial literally, but she was damaged beyond repair after this.

If videos circulate and Andrew is in one of them, the palace will look even worse than it does now.

Andrew doesn't have to be on trial for him to be damaged. Other people support this girl, he's in big trouble no matter what. No one will want him around anymore.

If Andrew is found out to have intervened in 2007 to get Epstein a light sentence, he'll be drive out of Britain, no matter how much the Queen loves him.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 09:37:14 pm
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Andrew hasn't been charged YET. Big difference when you're dealing with a civil suit. It's step one for a PA. If evidence comes out during investigation that is not known at present leaves any US prosecutor the right to make a charge. Dershowitz would do and say anything to save himself and destroy anyone's name the process is all I meant about that loose cannon.

Andrew's credibility is shot on the public stage and I do wonder what other info is out there. There has to be or it would have been a buy out by now.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 04, 2015, 09:54:39 pm
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Quote from: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 06:40:34 pm
I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused. There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow. I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow.


Just curious but why do you think he's a scumbag?

P.S I have no background in law so I only know he's a lawyer.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 10:21:46 pm
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Palace takes unusual step to deny Prince Andrew underage sex claims
Duke of York returns from skiing holiday in Switzerland as Buckingham Palace lawyers are said to be assessing legal position
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Aides stepped up a highly unusual royal operation launched on Saturday to categorically deny the claims. Prince Andrew personally decided to issue a strong denial while still in Verbier.

He approved a statement, extraordinary in its frankness for a member of the royal family, which vehemently denied “any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts” and added: “The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

In an attempt to stem the flow of sordid allegations Buckingham Palace on Sunday wrote to editors reminding them of their responsibilities under the Independent Press Standards Organisation code and the law. Palace lawyers were also said to be closely reviewing coverage and “assessing the legal position in respect of Sunday’s newspapers”.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/04/prince-andrew-denies-underage-sex-claims-buckingham-palace

Britain’s Prince Andrew is a royal footman.

A 30-year-old former teen “sex slave” has shared with the National Enquirer the sleaziest details of her alleged romp with Queen Elizabeth’s second son — featuring a toe-sucking session — when she was only 17.

The prince, whose other titles are Duke of York and, more colloquially, “Randy Andy,” has vehemently denied the accusations.

But the accuser, Virginia Roberts, insisted in an interview published Saturday by the Enquirer that her tryst with the prince was paid for by her purported pimp, billionaire financier-turned convicted alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who she said hired her as his “sex slave.”

She claimed in the interview that the fancy footwork happened in the London home of socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.

“Ghislaine played one of her favorite guessing games,’’ Roberts told the tabloid.

“She asked Andrew how old he thought I was. He guessed 17.

“They all kind of laughed about it, and Ghislaine made a joke that I was getting ‘too old’ for Jeffrey.”

pagesix.com/2015/01/04/teen-sex-toy-reveals-prince-andrews-royal-foot-fetish-report/

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Authorities in the United States apparently tried to protect the prince from scandal back in 2008, by giving Epstein a sweetheart plea deal according to a second report, in the Sunday Times of London.

“Please do whatever you can to keep this from becoming public,” a former senior counsel to then-President George W. Bush wrote in an e-mail to the US Attorney prosecuting Epstein.

Buckingham Palace denied the allegations.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 10:36:47 pm
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No 17 year old should have to endure this.
A stray child given a "home" by a conniving alleged pedophile and then Andrew allegedly doing his business on her underage body. :ick: :ick:

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 10:41:30 pm
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The law's strange because he could be guilty and had sex with her but she could've used a fake name. So when he denies having sex or anything else with Virginia, he's telling the truth.

If Andrew had sex with my daughter when she was under age he should be prosecuted, says father of Virginia Roberts
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html

The episode of Sherlock Holmes called The Woman dealt with a sex scandal involving the British royal family. Sherlock's conclusion was to just pay the holder of the incriminating pictures whatever they demanded money wise. The holder of the pictures wasn't into selling them but using them as insurance that she's not be harmed by anyone. I imagine that Epstein has a lot of damning evidence on Andreww and all the others that have used his sick service and like the woman, will use them as leverage.
I'm not sure if this girl can get paid off for her silence as it seems to be way out of her hands.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 10:58:59 pm
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Would someone PLEASE explain what is wrong with the mothers that they aren't watching their daughters, or are handing their daughters over?

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Alexandrine on January 04, 2015, 11:06:34 pm
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^Add the fathers to that equation. In the article where she explains her life in the DM it was said that she had ran away from home.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 11:11:07 pm
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Was likely dysfunctional and I do think Andrew was playing around, he's no innocent when he hangs around a procurer and alleged pedophile on a regular basis.

Silence of the Epstein women: Former top model among several female employees of billionaire who refuse to answer questions on Prince Andrew 'sex slave' allegations

Ex-model among women staying silent on dealings with Jeffrey Epstein
Adriana Ross also refused to answer questions about Prince Andrew
She was hired by billionaire Epstein and worked at his mansion in Florida
Ross was asked if Prince slept with under-age girls but did not comment
Two other female employees of Epstein also refuse to answer questions

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896591/Silence-Epstein-women-Former-model-female-employees-billionaire-refuse-answer-questions-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-allegations.html#ixzz3NthDll1n
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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: CarryingOn on January 04, 2015, 11:23:26 pm
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‘Mr Epstein seemed an upstanding kind of guy. She would go to his house in Palm Beach but always come home. When he started flying her all over the world we just thought what a life she was having … All Virginia ever said was that she was hired to give massages.’

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A grown a$$ man hired your underage and uncertified daughter to give him "massages" and flew her around the world just to get "massages" when he can afford to go to the creme of the crop of masseuses in world renowned hotels and massage parlors and your antennae didn't go up at all, not once :-!!! I just don't understand it!

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 04, 2015, 11:26:02 pm
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Apologies if someone has already posted this link. But an interesting viewpoint . . . .

baptonbooks.tumblr.com/post/106952181991/jackleg-lawyering-im-pure-and-simple

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 11:28:35 pm
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‘Mr Epstein seemed an upstanding kind of guy. She would go to his house in Palm Beach but always come home. When he started flying her all over the world we just thought what a life she was having … All Virginia ever said was that she was hired to give massages.’

:- :- :-

A grown a$$ man hired your underage and uncertified daughter to give him "massages" and flew her around the world just to get "massages" when he can afford to go to the creme of the crop of masseuses in world renowned hotels and massage parlors and your antennae didn't go up at all, not once :-!!! I just don't understand it!

The man is obviously not filled with common sense, the perfect target for a predator.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 05, 2015, 06:33: am
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The Duke of York continued to see Jeffrey Epstein after the New York investment banker was convicted of sex offences. This seems unwise, to say the least.
His supporters might say this proves Andrew is a loyal person who does not desert friends who are in trouble. Alternatively, he might not have considered Epstein’s offences serious or his character especially bad.
Or he did know Epstein was a sleazy individual, but saw no reason why that should affect their friendship, which included entertaining Epstein at Windsor Castle, Sandringham and Balmor@l.

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Why would Epstein lend out his 'sex slave' to the great, the good and the brainy?
Because, we are told, this meant he could subsequently 'blackmail' those who had pleasured themselves with Ms Roberts.
Epstein is said to have obtained the deal via ‘significant social and political connections.’ He was a friend of Bill Clinton, whose wife, Hillary, is considering running for the presidency in 2016.
Prince Andrew and Clinton are said to have helped Epstein in his discussions with prosecutors.
read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2896597/PETER-MCKAY-scandal-s-far-sex.html
exactly :angry:
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The hidden cameras
Miss Roberts claims she was ordered by Epstein to have sex with rich and powerful friends so he could blackmail them or exert pressure on them afterwards.
Court documents filed in Florida also state that photographs of Miss Roberts and other victims of Epstein “were taken with hidden cameras set up in his home in Palm Beach.
“On the day of his arrest, police found two hidden cameras and photographs of underage girls on a computer in the defendant’s home.”
The Duke of York is said to have visited the Palm Beach residence and enjoyed daily massages from young women when he was a guest of Epstein.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11324606/Prince-Andrew-prepares-for-grim-year-ahead-as-sex-abuse-claims-refuse-to-go-away.html
I seem to be reading an episode of law & order SVU

again .... I hope the victims find justice, and peace.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 07::10 am
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this just gets more nauseating - we need a total investigation into this whole affair - the subversion of justice for these girls - the harassment of the prosecution - what this guy got away with is just amazing

these are articles from an journalists investigation of the whole mess - note that after he got out of so called "jail" Epstein threw a party for Andrew


www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/20/jeffrey-epstein-billionaire-alleged pedophile-goes-free.html


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www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/25/jeffrey-epstein-how-the-billionaire-alleged pedophile-got-off-easy.htmlhttp://

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/22/jeffrey-epstein-alleged pedophile-billionaire-and-his-sex-den.htmlhttp://

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 05, 2015, 07:47:02 am
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Copies of the films taken by the hidden cameras are allegedly already circulating and could be the downfall of PA. What better ammunition for Epstein to hold if its true he filmed for blackmailing purposes? How can BP 'categorically deny the allegations against PA' - they weren't there and only have his word!!!

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Post by: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 04:10:37 pm
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The Queen was NOT introduced to Prince Andrew’s 'sex slave': Palace vehemently denies Virginia Roberts' father's claim she met Queen while on trip to London with alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein
The Queen has today emphatically denied she met the woman who claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew while under-age.

Buckingham Palace responded after Virginia Roberts' father Sky, 58, said his daughter was introduced to Her Majesty while visiting London with alleged paedophile billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Mr Roberts said: ‘Virginia told me a few years back that she met Prince Andrew when she went to London and she also said while they were there she met the Queen … [Virginia] had been flown to London by Jeffrey. He would fly her all over the world and she would give him massages on his private jet.’

The claim of a meeting with the Queen has not been made by Miss Roberts herself. A Palace spokesman said: ‘There is nothing to suggest that this claim is true. We have no record of such a meeting.’
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html

How 'Team Andrew' consoled Prince in luxury 22-room hideaway: Duke closeted with ex-wife Fergie, Harry's former lover Cressida Bonas, his daughter Eugenie and her bar manager boyfriend Jack when scandal broke

Prince Andrew was tucked away with his closest friends and family in an opulent £22,000-a-week Swiss chalet when the sex scandal broke.

The Queen's son heard news of the serious challenge to his reputation while staying in the exclusive ski resort of Verbier with his former wife Sarah Ferguson and their younger daughter Eugenie.

Prince Harry’s ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas, a close friend of Eugenie, and Eugenie's boyfriend, nightclub boss, Jack Brooksbank were also staying with the family.

Located in one of the most exclusive and remote parts of Verbier, the chalet boasts seven bedrooms, its own heated indoor swimming pool with an opulent entertaining area and a sauna.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896994/The-remote-holiday-home-Prince-Andrew-staying.html


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Richard Palmer @royalreporter · 10h 10 hours ago
If Andrew was a politician, he'd be dead meat now. He faces so many questions about his conduct, is it time for a form of public inquiry?
Britain's royals seem determined to carry on as normal but it's difficult to see a taxpayer-funded future for @thedukeofyork at the moment.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 04:29:01 pm
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Yes, sure, and I'm the Easter bunny.
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We have no record of such a meeting.’

Of course not, if it's unofficial and of course, the protection officers don't note the meeting down via royal order.

Prince Andrew the 'Playboy Prince': Every woman the Duke has ever been linked to ... including 'lesbian porn film' star Koo Stark, Courtney Love and a Playboy model
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2896968/Prince-Andrew-s-colourful-romantic-past-revealed.html#ixzz3NxtlGRaV
Quote from: Val on January 05, 2015, 07:47:02 am
Copies of the films taken by the hidden cameras are allegedly already circulating and could be the downfall of PA. What better ammunition for Epstein to hold if its true he filmed for blackmailing purposes? How can BP 'categorically deny the allegations against PA' - they weren't there and only have his word!!!

I think BP is about to end up having huge egg on their face over this. It's not like they can constantly deny if they end up being exposed as liars yet again.

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Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 05:04:02 pm
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896986/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-nightmare-deepens-Duke-faces-fresh-wave-lurid-claims-sex-underage-girl-Virginia-Roberts-plans-tell-memoir-alleged-trysts-home-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html

t was reported this morning that Prince Andrew is likely to speak to the Queen over the phone today as she remains at her country retreat of Sandringham, Norfolk.

No running home to mommy !


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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 05:20:23 pm
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How silly that they make this sound like Andrew has been a victim of a deranged woman, when he's not someone who is in a situation to decide much of anything anymore. He's so obviously making himself out to be a martyr and I sincerely hope his trade role and public life are in fact yanked from him.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 05, 2015, 05:40:04 pm
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Quote from: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 04:10:37 pm

The Queen has today emphatically denied she met the woman who claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew while under-age.

I wonder if ER is having another memory lapse like she did during the Burrell court case - very conveniently remembered something at the 11th hours which meant the court case was halted?

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 06:26:26 pm
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Nothing will halt any court case in the US.

Since a book is being released, I'm certain that this will end up making this into even more of an issue. It'll spread and there will be demands for justice.

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Post by: YooperModerator on January 05, 2015, 06:30:42 pm
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Quote from: Emperor on January 04, 2015, 09:54:39 pm
Quote from: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 06:40:34 pm
I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused. There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow. I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow.


Just curious but why do you think he's a scumbag?

P.S I have no background in law so I only know he's a lawyer.

Look him up sometime. He's a blowhard who will shill for anything or anybody. He backed OJ Simpson, for instance, yapped about it on CNN forEVER and did major damage to the whole case - he wasn't alone in that. He's an attention wh#re and completely unprofessional in many instances. Claus von Bulow is another case that comes to mind. The desperate-wealthy go to Dershowitz but that would not keep him from dragging anybody else down that would hurt him in any way. Just my .02 of course.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 06:32:49 pm
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Is this story picking up in US legit news outlets.

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Post by: Emperor on January 05, 2015, 06:38:24 pm
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Quote from: Freya on January 05, 2015, 03:27:03 am
The RF are so hypocritical. Diana was advised to not align herself with AIDS charities yet Andrew can befriend a despicable man who pimps out under age girls.


When did this happen? Any links :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: bignono bignono bignono bignono

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 06:49:25 pm
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blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/01/exclusive-prince-andrew-will-not-host-government-reception-in-switzerland/
Gee, maybe it isn't such a good idea to let an alleged child rapist and staunch supporter of a convicted sex offender represent the UK government. :wopedo:

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Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 06:49:52 pm
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'Andrew is a great man, the best in the world': Fergie comes out fighting for her prince on slopes as she says York family 'is a tight unit' and will back duke to the hilt over claims he slept with 'underage sex slave'
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‘He is the greatest man there is. It was the finest moment of my life in 1986 when I married him. He is a great man, the best man in the world.’
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896986/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-nightmare-deepens-Duke-faces-fresh-wave-lurid-claims-sex-underage-girl-Virginia-Roberts-plans-tell-memoir-alleged-trysts-home-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html
She's still at that expensive resort that she can't pay for. She needs her connection to the royal family to make money off endorsing nonsense in America. I think she should keep her mouth shut. I'm sure Andrew's advisors have called her to tell her to zip it.

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Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
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It was the woman's father who made that claim - so either he got confused or his daughter let him believe that such had occurred. The woman has not claimed to have met the Queen.

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Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 11:54:20 pm
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The girls silenced by Andrew's friend the sex abuser: As Fergie leaps to defend the Duke, new shock in US court papers
Ten questions the Palace MUST answer
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3NzgS3GU8
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Post by: YooperModerator on January 06, 2015, 12:05:22 am
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5 Jeffrey Epstein’s former handyman Juan Alessi alleges that Prince Andrew attended naked swimming pool parties at the billionaire’s Florida mansion in the early 2000s and was treated to regular massages by a harem of adolescent girls there.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzknil1A
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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 06, 2015, 12:47:25 am
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Happy :thumbsup: that the journalist Guy Adams continues.

remember:
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@guyadams 2 de jan
@oliverburkeman Ah, but I am rendered cynical by their cynical efforts to supress my piece earlier this year (aided by Harbottle & Lewis)
1- about Ms Roberts say
2- about Ms Roberts
3- about Ms Roberts
4- about Ms Roberts
5- But did the Prince indeed ever stay at Epstein’s Florida home? If so, why? Did he share its swimming pool with naked young women? Did he ever receive massages from young women there?
6-Despite the scrutiny it attracted, the Palace has never explained the exact nature of Prince Andrew’s relationship with Epstein.
Were they purely social acquaintances? Or did they ever have wider business or financial links? Did the Prince have any idea of his criminal behaviour?
7- In response, you have said that ‘the Duke would never interfere in an active legal case and did not do so in this case’.
But while he may not have ‘interfered’, did he discuss Epstein, formally or informally, with any person connected with the U.S. government, or U.S. authorities, during the period from 2005-2008 when his friend was under investigation?
8-Official records show that Andrew also met with Sir David Manning, the then UK ambassador to Washington, in September 2006, and also with the then Foreign Office minister Kim Howells in July 2005.
Was Jeffrey Epstein’s case discussed at any of those meetings? And did the Prince raise his case, formally or informally, with any person connected to the British government?
9- After this was revealed by the Press in 2011, Ms Ferguson admitted that accepting the money had been ‘a gigantic error of judgment’.
Was Prince Andrew aware of this gift? Did he help solicit it? And has the tainted money since been returned to Epstein?
10- Why did the Prince choose to continue his personal relationship with Epstein — by then a convicted alleged paedophile — at this time? How many meetings did he have with Epstein following his conviction? And when did he last speak or meet with him?
good questions and important
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzq9AVPa

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 01:55:05 am
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yup - important questions some answered

1.Ms. Roberts appears to have led a respectable quiet life as a typical wife and mother of three kids in AUS since leaving Epstein

5. The above mentioned Juan Alessi has testified Andy was at the FLA home and he was seen there by others. Alessi also testified that Andrew was present at pool parties with many naked adolescent women. The maid and Alessi testified Andy received daily massages.
6. The Prince attended a party held in his honor and hosted by Epstein at Epsteins Manhattan home immediately after Epstein was released from jail.

8. The ministers involved claim the records are wrong and they did not meet with Andy or that Epstein was not discussed.
9. A spokesperson for Fergie was asked yesterday (?) if the money was returned - they replied - "no comment". There is a belief Fergie got much more than the 15,000 pounds. It is not known if Andy was aware of the gift although he met with Epstein shortly before she received the money.
10. That is a very good question - his spokespersons have said - after Andrew was photographed walking in Central Park with Epstein - that the Prince would never be photographed with Epstein again - they did not say he would not see Epstein. So no one knows if Andrew has in fact seen Epstein since that 2010 photo. The claim is made Andy maintained his relationship with Epstein because he is a very loyal guy. Furthermore - he feels indebted to Epstein because Epstein is the person who persuaded Andrew to wear jeans - it is claimed until then Andrew never wore jeans. Andrew's spokesperson also said that Epstein was the person who helped Andrew learn how to relax.


more questions:

1. did Epstein manage any of Andrew's investments?
2. did Andrew reimburse Epstein for flights taken on Epstein's private plane?
3. Who funded the private plane which took Harry to the Pelly's Miami bachelor party?
4. Did Epstein benefit financially from any knowledge Andrew had as UK Trade Ambassador?

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 06, 2015, 02:20:24 am
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Andrew is done. I have no doubt of his guilt, but this is coming out now for a reason. Someone wants him destroyed.

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Post by: Rosella on January 06, 2015, 04:52:15 am
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Quote from: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 01:55:05 am
yup - important questions some answered

1.Ms. Roberts appears to have led a respectable quiet life as a typical wife and mother of three kids in AUS since leaving Epstein

5. The above mentioned Juan Alessi has testified Andy was at the FLA home and he was seen there by others. Alessi also testified that Andrew was present at pool parties with many naked adolescent women. The maid and Alessi testified Andy received daily massages.
6. The Prince attended a party held in his honor and hosted by Epstein at Epsteins Manhattan home immediately after Epstein was released from jail.

8. The ministers involved claim the records are wrong and they did not meet with Andy or that Epstein was not discussed.
9. A spokesperson for Fergie was asked yesterday (?) if the money was returned - they replied - "no comment". There is a belief Fergie got much more than the 15,000 pounds. It is not known if Andy was aware of the gift although he met with Epstein shortly before she received the money.
10. That is a very good question - his spokespersons have said - after Andrew was photographed walking in Central Park with Epstein - that the Prince would never be photographed with Epstein again - they did not say he would not see Epstein. So no one knows if Andrew has in fact seen Epstein since that 2010 photo. The claim is made Andy maintained his relationship with Epstein because he is a very loyal guy. Furthermore - he feels indebted to Epstein because Epstein is the person who persuaded Andrew to wear jeans - it is claimed until then Andrew never wore jeans. Andrew's spokesperson also said that Epstein was the person who helped Andrew learn how to relax.


more questions:

1. did Epstein manage any of Andrew's investments?
2. did Andrew reimburse Epstein for flights taken on Epstein's private plane?
3. Who funded the private plane which took Harry to the Pelly's Miami bachelor party?
4. Did Epstein benefit financially from any knowledge Andrew had as UK Trade Ambassador?

I don't know about the other answers to your questions but the Daily Fail at the time of the Pelly weeding reported that Lizzy Wilson (and presumably her family, the Holiday Inn heirs) placed a private plane at the disposal of Harry and whoever else of Guy's friends who had need of it. I can remember thinking at the time about Guy winning the jackpot in a financial sense with his choice of bride.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: terrajoule on January 06, 2015, 05:02:45 am
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"Known by the company you keep". Smarmy lot. :ick:

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 05:06:23 am
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^^ I am glad to read that Rosella - that it was to Miami - which is close to Epstein's home - made me suspicious.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 05:23:30 am
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Quote from: YooperModerator on January 06, 2015, 12:05:22 am
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5 Jeffrey Epstein’s former handyman Juan Alessi alleges that Prince Andrew attended naked swimming pool parties at the billionaire’s Florida mansion in the early 2000s and was treated to regular massages by a harem of adolescent girls there.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzknil1A
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Never underestimate the hired help. NEVER.

Slightly off topic your comment reminded me of a programme that I saw recently about Catherine the Great. Apparently she had specially designed tables which connected to a pully system and the guests ordered directly from the kitchen. This meant that there was never any servants in the room to see or hear what was going on.

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SXuNo7ci5E4

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 06:28:10 am
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Yeah, I remember that. It helped the guests and attendant courtiers speak far more freely.
Quote from: LadyLaura on January 06, 2015, 02:20:24 am
Andrew is done. I have no doubt of his guilt, but this is coming out now for a reason. Someone wants him destroyed.

Yes; I do think lately the House of Windsor has taken an unusual amount of blows and I do admit that this coming out now, someone has it in for Andrew.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 08:51:31 am
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I think the reason it is coming out now in the UK is because the brief identifying Andrew as one of the guys who slept with this particular woman was filed on 12/30 and the UK tabs have been keeping track - the brief would be a public document, they saw it, they published.

This lawsuit is not about Andrew - it is about some of the victims who are ticked off that Epstein got off so easy. It is about influence peddling. Andrew is peripheral damage. The focus in the UK is on Andrew of course.

Now the UK tabloids may have it out for Andrew and they may therefore be playing this up. But the lawsuit itself is not about Andy and the lawsuit is an ongoing affair.

Wait til this gets to court. Then it will really be big.

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Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 09:35:33 am
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:wopedo:What a surprise!
Fergie introduced the alleged sex offender Andrew to Ghislaine Maxwell.
www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/550433/Ghislaine-Maxwell-Prince-Andrew-sex-abuse-scandal

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Post by: kolkomilko on January 06, 2015, 10:30: am
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I agree with LadyLaura, someone do wants him destroyed. But who? And why just know? And what about these „victim girls”? Where have they been until now? Did they have parents? So it is a complicated case with many questions.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 06, 2015, 12:00:43 pm
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Quote from: kolkomilko on January 06, 2015, 10:30: am
I agree with LadyLaura, someone do wants him destroyed. But who? And why just know? And what about these „victim girls”? Where have they been until now? Did they have parents? So it is a complicated case with many questions.

Andrew is a rude and boorish man who is not popular with the British public nor the media in Britain. His distinctly charmless manner has put a lot of people off over the years, including the staff at Windsor and BP. So the press haven't had much compunction about going after him, nor is he gaining much sympathy from anyone. Plus, with Fergie at your side sticking up for you, who needs enemies.

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Post by: Val on January 06, 2015, 12:04:45 pm
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Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc. Some say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW. It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.

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Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 12:12:57 pm
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Very likely indeed.
It could be a Manson warning what will happen to Wimpo/Chuck if they try to step out of line.

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Post by: gingerboy24 on January 06, 2015, 12:47:27 pm
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This might sound unrelated, and indeed you may well think so, and if that is the case mods please feel free to move it to whichever thread you deem to be appropriate.

I came across this, and thought it appropriate in the light of the current allegations re prince andrew. It would appear that a penchant for the younger members of society is pretty rife in the rf, including Mountbatten and a possible reason, other than IRA, as to why he was killed by a bomb blast.

No idea if all this true, and I know a lot do not care for Chris Spivey or Greg Hallett, but they are generally very good researchers. Only throwing it into the equation, not saying if right or wrong.

Please be aware that, as ever, Mr. Spìvey´s wording can be very strong.

chrisspivey.org/who-murdered-mountbatten/



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Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 01:38:00 pm
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There is also the UK high ranking alleged paedophile ring that is under investigation at the moment. Jill Dando's murder still unsolved.

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Post by: Snowdrop on January 06, 2015, 06:32:50 pm
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^^ @ Val - PA may well have done some very good works but nothing can be good enough to counteract the current allegations which would appear to have more than a grain of truth. However, even if these were proved to be false, IMO he keeps some very dubious company ..... from corrupt Russian oligarchs to convicted paedos - and this a man who, as ER's son, could mix with the highest in the land; mind you, that's not saying much these days

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Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 06:46:24 pm
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Thankfully David Cameron is staying out of this mess.

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Post by: Val on January 06, 2015, 06:49:29 pm
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Good point especially as he usually rushes in and brown noses the RF. I have been a Tory supporter all my life but no longer knowing what I do now.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07:03:12 pm
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I do think that Cameron has decided to save his own skin instead of protecting the Windsors/Yorkies. I bet you anything his political advisers staged an intervention and told him to stay out of his and told him to think of his own political career. One thing if it's a petty press imbroglio and this is way beyond the pale.

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Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 06, 2015, 07:03:55 pm
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Quote from: Val on January 06, 2015, 12:04:45 pm
Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc. Some say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW. It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.

Me upon reading this...

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Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 07:07:19 pm
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Whilst the case is not directly against PA the fallout will surely mean the end of any kind of public duty. I cannot see how he can hope to continue.

Charles is very quiet over it. I wonder if Charles has been unhappy for some time about Andrew's contacts and the "balcony thing" was part of it. PA will certainly not be on the balcony now.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07:30:35 pm
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I often wonder if Charles knew about this, didn't quite know how to tell the public, but then this happened and now Charles can be entirely justified in his idea of a slimmed down monarchy. He can point this out and be taken seriously.

I am sure that the children's charities are disgusted and will drop him, no matter what and no charity will want him associated with them.
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Quote from: Val on January 06, 2015, 12:04:45 pm
Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc. Some say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW. It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.
Me upon reading this...
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I think that is the next step. This is test time for when the press decides the time is right to expose the Middletons in all their criminal glory.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 06, 2015, 07:35:32 pm
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as arrogant Andrew and above the law the RF think they are he will still be out and about. Now the court of public opinion he will be getting dirty looks from now on. As for the other men involve in this i hope they all get their day. its pretty sicking seeing all the Victim blaming going on with this case,and to be honest i have feeling this wont go anywhere yeah it's hot now ,but what about two weeks from now?


Quote from: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 06:46:24 pm
Thankfully David Cameron is staying out of this mess.


yup I'm surprise too he hasn't added his two cents in,but its still early he might pipe in when the dust clears .

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07::10 pm
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In a few weeks a book might come out, or the date of release will be announced and then the public will have detailed accounts of all that went on. Andrew will likely try to make some public appearances and that won't go down well. I am sure that there won't be any kindness felt towards him and no cheering. HM will be forced to figure out how to get her son back on the public role track (yes, she is just that deluded to try) or get rid of him via public appearances. I'm sure that no matter what, Andrew is indeed toast. Dirty looks, as for the rest, they'll be named. Clinton, Mick Jagger, all vile.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 06, 2015, 07:59:00 pm
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with all these names coming out pretty high profile people they will try their hardest to get this buried,and the women name get dragged , but from the public minds it will still be there.

sadly this woman and other women involve wont get the justice they deserve cause you have people in this society that protects abusers because of power, money and fame.Epstein should not be walking around a free man

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 08:02:14 pm
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It will be a lot harder for this man
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to get access to children now that he's allegedly exposed.

Maybe Chuck can recommend some new "friends, given his untarnished reputation in that regard.
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With child rapist Rolf Harris.
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With mass alleged pedophile Saville who destroyed at least 500 children's lives.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 08:36:51 pm
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AnaBolena I do hear what you are saying about the credibility of Ms. Roberts and it may be in her case that sex slavery is not the right way to describe her experience. Child sexual abuse perhaps? Child prostitution?

I would just add though that men like Epstein prey on girls who are troubled to begin with. The 14 year old whose stepmother reported this to the police and got the ball rolling on the investigation was in a school for troubled girls, Roberts parents had divorced and her mother had moved to another state - Roberts was a runaway too.

Furthermore - these pigs use money, their authority as adults, drugs, alcohol, glamorous trips and psychological manipulation to entrap these girls. The girl may not be locked up in a house but these other factors seduce them along with fear of retribution and a perverse sort of love for their abuser.
And often they have either absent parents or parents who are obviously not ideal. It seems Roberts parents were convinced she was simply a paid masseuse for Epstein and closed their eyes to the obvious other connotations.

It is common to destroy the credibility of these girls who do come forward with their murky troubled pasts - but even when it is true that they may not have been ideal kids - they still were kids. But we should also remember that even if Roberts credibility is iffy - 102 girls have come forward and admitted to being part of Epstein's sex ring. Epstein is known to have imported three 12 year olds from France through a modelling agency as a birthday present to himself. 40 girls have received one million dollars in damages apiece and signed non disclosure agreements. The man - and his associates - is a monster.

The Express (I think) has reported that it is rumored Epstein may have had an association with Mossad the Israeli intelligence agency or the CIA. Epstein is known to have had relationships with Israeli government officials including a Prime Minister. We know from the investigations in the UK that MI5 had used alleged pedophile rings as a means to blackmail people into giving them information and spying for them so this may be another example of that sort of tactic. It could explain why Epstein got off so easy and why he so called "jail" time was such a farce. I wonder about Savile in this regard too.

I used to think all the talk about alleged pedophile rings was conspiracy stuff. Now it is clear that it was true and those people who have been dismissed as tin foil hat types were right. The core of our system is rotten and I have nothing but admiration for those four women and their attorneys who are challenging the rot. It takes courage to take on the powerful especially since we know the girls will be slut shamed and threatened. Dershowits is already trying to threaten and intimidate the attorneys by seeking to have them disbarred.

Even if Andrew did not have sex with any of these girls (we should remember that another girl did claim Andrew groped her) his association with this guy is deplorable and for that alone he should be made persona non grata.



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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 08:38:30 pm
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No way would any business want Andrew as a trade envoy, meeting with them. It would leak out and the business would be known to willingly do business with a suspected alleged pedo.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 10:56:57 pm
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Good point KM about Charles now having an excuse for slimming down the Monarchy. It's been handed to him on a plate.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 07, 2015, 12:59:33 am
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For me, they're all pretty out of touch with reality on a daily basis and completely untouchable so anything goes, I guess. Quite distasteful.

As for those mentioned in the Civil suit, it all hinges upon what the judge allows into court. If there is evidence that any member mentioned in the proceedings had sex with anyone underage it goes to trial immediately after the civil case. That's the way it works in the US and there is no immunity. So, no one's out of the woods yet.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 07, 2015, 01:32:41 am
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Good.

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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 02:06:40 am
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yes they are completely out of touch - really do not know how to gauge the public mood.


The article in the Wall Street Journal which talked about why the civil suit was filed explains all --


they are not looking for money - so using that as a means to discredit the 4 women in the civil suit won't fly

what they want is for the plea bargain to be declared null -

then with enough public outcry - then the feds or state of Fla will prosecute Epstein and company

Alan Dershowitz makes it sound like their lawyers are flight by night types but they are not - one is a former federal judge the other is a well known advocate for victim's rights

Andy is in for a long time with these revelations coming out over and over -

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