Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 28, 2011, 06:00:25 am
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Quote from: Yooper on April 28, 2011, 04:10:52 am
It IS a desecration and the Archbishop knows it, the BRF knows it, WE know it and the majority of thinking people everywhere knows it. Now all I have to do is not have a nightmare of Waisted in the nude tonight or tomorrow and we're all good.
What a mess, huh?
Then why isn't anyone DOING anything? Why did they jsut sit there? Just for that, the RF DESERVES TO disintigrate.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Yooper on April 28, 2011, 06:05:21 am
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Sigmund Freud said it best, "There's no such thing as unintentional or an accident."
They have pushed the self-destruct button and have no one to accuse.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 28, 2011, 06:33:22 am
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I wonder if HM is going to just let everything self-destruct so that she can't be blamed. :think:
It's stretching the imagination, but I wonder if she's trying to let William destroy his image so that Charles will be more liked. It's working for me. :June:
Anyone else with my on this conspiracy?
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Yooper on April 28, 2011, 07:24:37 am
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Well, let me answer your question with a question, which is really annoying, I know, but...
What would you do? Would you fight every step of the way and cause friction or let it unfold and see what happens? HM knows this is going to be a mess, but she is smart enough to not want to be the focus of blame, which is exactly what would happen. PW knows his grandmother and I read recently that he lied to her that all was well when it wasn't.
Now. That means one Truth. He also knows the decision was wrong or he wouldn't have lied (gosh I wish I could remember - give me time but I think it was aboutthe Middletons), but, nevertheless, he lied. What that means to me is he is already embarrassed about his in-laws. Or, he's a bounder with no compunction to play both sides. Honestly? I don't think he's that shrewd. He's struggling and HM knows it, that's why she's giving him plenty of rope to hang himself. Nothing else makes sense unless HM has dementia.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 28, 2011, 07:37:26 am
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Where did you read that he 'lied' to his grandmother?
My goodness, the plot thickens. :runforhills:
I think we may have underestimated HM. And, thanks agreeing in part to my submission. I do wonder though if she can't help but wonder at the possible silver lining for Charles? Has William been sacrificed for a more immediate cause - Charles? :think:
There may not be a monarchy if Charles and Camilla cannot be sold to the public. I know, it's risky and unlikely, but still, I don't think there is anything else in the stores. :cookie:
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Yooper on April 28, 2011, 07:50:38 am
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June - tomorrow I'll dig around about the 'lie', but it had to do with something the Middletons wanted for the wedding and he said that it was going to be all right, but it ended up not being all right, not really. That's all I can remember. It had to do with the reception? It's in all of this somewhere.
At any rate, he went in to HM and said something to the effect that he had taken care of it and it wouldn't be like that, but it ended up being exactly like that. Anyway, he lied to her. And what that tells me is that he is ashamed, on some level, of the Middletons already. Who wouldn't be? Who wouldn't lie about them to save some face? I don't blame him at all. But, the real point is, he respected her opinion more. That's what matters.
As a mom, I know this stuff. They have to live with the lie and then go back and tell another lie to the people they lied about and it's all about keeping peace. But, to me, it means he was too embarrassed to tell the truth. The minute you become embarrassed about something, no matter how trivial, you start questioning your choices. Especially to HM. My God!
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 28, 2011, 08:00:53 am
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Thanks. Actually, I know the story well myself ... I experienced this "playing both ends, trying to spare embarrassment bit" and the whole thing imploded. IMO, he's not being true to himself and his fears - I've seen it all before. It won't last IMO, it can't, it's not possible of the human mind.
I have always thought that William will start to exert his true feelings sooner than everyone thinks. IMO, Kate's hold over him is tenuous at best; just you wait and see. The same can be said of the Middletons; IMO, he's been using them as a crutch for his own needs, insecurities and frailties, but that will also cease when he so chooses to act. He's just not that stable, IMO, especially not when he feels responsibility of any kind. He's shown that many times. He's loyal to his friends because they don't make demands on him and support him.
IMO, he plays games of evasion as a coping mechanism. He will snap though once married to someone is IMO incapable to fulfill this role, as Waity is. IMO, she's not capable of even being a stay-at-home wife and mother to anyone, let alone take on this role. She's utterly useless, IMO.
And, to further my rant for the day ... all those men who say "William is lucky" wouldn't hold that view if THEY had to financially support Waity and her high maintenance ways, IMO. They are just looking at her IMO superficial charm from a distance and this is what royals thrive on - illusion. :June:
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Spitfire on April 28, 2011, 01:50:39 pm
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Just to add to the confusion....Westminster Abbey is a Royal Peculiar (!) which means its jurisdiction comes from the Monarch and not from the Bishop of London in whose diocese it is sited. The Abbey is governed, in eccelesiastical terms, by the Dean and Chapter of Westminster. The Archbishops of Canterbury and York - the two most senior churchmen in the Church of England - have no power in the Abbey. In fact, they, and other non-members of the Chapter of Westminster, have to be invited by the Dean of Westminster to preside at a service in the Abbey. The Archbishop of Canterbury may have reservations about turning the Abbey into some kind of Lord of the Rings film set, but his views would be ignored! Being a Londoner, I have sat in the Abbey on many occasions when the light filters through the Medieval stained-glass windows and makes kaleidoscope patterns on the ancient and much-worn tiled floor. Nothing should be allowed to detract from that beauty and that of the rest of the Abbey. Heathens!!
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 28, 2011, 02:18:05 pm
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Thanks Spitfire - I wasn't aware of the hierarchy of the Church of England. My father was christened C of E, but converted.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: danifaul on April 29, 2011, 01:41:42 am
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pic:
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: The Chocolate Princess on April 29, 2011, 02:02:27 am
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thanks dani for the pics :hug:
the chairs are facing not the altar, but the aisle -like in a catwalk fashion show :unsure:
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: caribbean_lady on April 29, 2011, 02:06:41 am
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^ It does look like a catwalk. I wonder if there's gonna be a red carpet or a blue one like Andrew & Fergie's wedding..
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: DrWonderWoman on April 29, 2011, 02:09:57 am
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Thanks for the pics! I think it looks pretty.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 29, 2011, 02:15:20 am
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The trees obscure the seriousness of the situation; this isn't some chintz hallmark wedding and Kate should not be turning this into some 'theme' wedding. Without the trees, I would be impressed, but it's taking a beautiful setting and turning it into a joke. Does the Midds have something on HM that we should know about?
I once suggested that William invites Kate to past events to show teh world how unsuitable she is, but the rest of the world doesn't seem to get it; I wonder if this marriage will be made to prove a point, that commoners just aren't the right stuff for royal marriage.
It's not like she's shown herself capable of the slightest restraint and I don't see how she's going to do anything other than damage the image of Britain abroad. The positive feelings are coming from people who just want a party and reason to celebrate and have some fun wearing silly costumes.
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He's shown that many times. He's loyal to his friends because they don't make demands on him and support him.
William will start expecting a return on everything he's given her and he will expect it in full.
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I have always thought that William will start to exert his true feelings sooner than everyone thinks. IMO, Kate's hold over him is tenuous at best; just you wait and see.
You're quite right; William is a prince and a man who will expect a well run household. Kate has shown she's energetic enough in her campaign and I am quite sure that he will expect ehr to continue to exert that same level of energy in her duties and household errands.
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The same can be said of the Middletons; IMO, he's been using them as a crutch for his own needs, insecurities and frailties, but that will also cease when he so chooses to act. He's just not that stable, IMO, especially not when he feels responsibility of any kind.
I have to admit, I am the same way; I too grew up with demanding parents and I get irritable at times with people who are eager to dump everything on me. He is giving her this ring to finally shut up and then of course, get on with her life and not lean on him; since he's the prince, it will be HER job to be the support system.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: delilah on April 29, 2011, 02:19:03 pm
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I'm really scared to admit it, but I like the way it looks with the trees. I understand that it is a very breathtaking Abbey, but I still think it looks pretty. :shy:
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: benign on April 29, 2011, 02:20:32 pm
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^why scared? you like you like :hi:
but i have to disagree though... the tress made it looked cold to me, a bit of color would have been nice...
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 29, 2011, 02:24:04 pm
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After viewing on television, I have one word: HIDEOUS.
Sorry, but those trees looked ridiculously out of place, IMO. :thumbsdown:
Money cannot buy class.
KF: thanks for your commentary. :thankyou: However, Kate doesn't look too energetic to me.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: delilah on April 29, 2011, 03:14:48 pm
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June,
I might have to agree a bit with you. It it was just the first part of the church with the trees, it would be nice, but when they did a birds eye view, I didn't like it. I guess I can kind of see what she was trying to do, but..I think if they had some sort of giant flower trees, that would have looked better. I don't know...cherry blossoms would have looked nice; something blooming and very ethreal.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Ella on April 29, 2011, 03:23:14 pm
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I didn't like the trees. I get that you can't just up and put mature trees in a church easily, but they were too small enough to give the effect I think they were going for and they were too big to ignore.
If the trees were big enough to make a kinda archway effect, it'd be okay and could have been really beautiful. As they were? It looked like the local home and garden store was using the church for storage.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: June on April 29, 2011, 03:32:53 pm
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delilah: thank you. :thankyou:
It doesn't bother me at all if people liked them - everyone is free to think their own way. I just personally thought they were out of place. But we all have differing views on things like this.
Ella: great description. :thumbsup: Who tries to plant trees in an historic church? :-
She might have been better just trying to create some delicate archway, with flowers - a really nice idea, btw. But it was overdone and an eye-sore, IMO.
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Title: Re: Workmen create Kate's indoor forest at the Abbey
Post by: Alexandrine on April 29, 2011, 05:40:26 pm
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I didn't like the decoration either. Imo something more understated would have looked better. Maybe they wanted it to look different so it wouldn't looks as when Di's funeral.
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