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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2022 17:15:55 GMT
Certainly not Prince Napoleon. He's out - now who is the legitimate contender?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 19:44:32 GMT
Certainly not Prince Napoleon. He's out - now who is the legitimate contender? It sucks that the girls are always overlooked, it's time for France to update themselves to add the girls to the line of succession. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2022 20:08:30 GMT
Certainly not Prince Napoleon. He's out - now who is the legitimate contender? It sucks that the girls are always overlooked, it's time for France to update themselves to add the girls to the line of succession. That may prove a nightmare as they are just going by the lines of Succession had the Monarchy not been abolished. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 20:22:39 GMT
It sucks that the girls are always overlooked, it's time for France to update themselves to add the girls to the line of succession. That may prove a nightmare as they are just going by the lines of Succession had the Monarchy not been abolished. yeah, i understand |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 20:24:07 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Sept 27, 2022 15:03:21 GMT
Do any of these aspiring reigning dynasts ever take the politicians into consideration? Do they think about if whether or not politicians would or should step aside and defer to them? Have they worked out just how it would be if whether or not the politicians would defer as in most reigning nations or if whether or not royals would be the ones to defer? For all their infighting for the primacy of their place, to be considered the top family, they are not thinking of those little details. They are clearly not thinking of being in service to their nation now rather than in some ephemeral 'future' that they keep daydreaming about. The royals of dethroned dynasties keep talking about 'serving' their nation, but nothing is stopping them now and nothing is holding them back. I think the worst thing about HM's reign is how she mixed up being a symbol with actually doing service. There is a difference and HM did really believe that her being a symbol was the same as staying up late nights doing paperwork and there isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 3:15:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 3:19:22 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Mar 5, 2023 10:22:25 GMT
I sometimes wonder why French royals and aristocrats think that a constitutional republic is something that is only temporary and that it is always only a matter of time until the monarchy is restored and the nation will do penance for getting rid of the monarchy. A lot of monarchists seem determined to make the public feel guilty over getting rid of monarchs that were not doing their jobs or they were simply unable and unwilling to delegate. In the French revolution, the Estates Generale was formed and many were eager to try to get the problems of the nation effectively resolved. Yet despite being a timid monarch and a man who was clearly in over his head, Louis XVI refused to work with the Estates Generale and even wrote a treatise against it once he was on the run. That bit of writing was found and it was likely instrumental in his conviction and execution.
The French do not want a restoration and I am sick of the deification of Marie Antoinette as well. She was an archduchess who ended up being unwilling to grow up until it was too late and it is clear that she was too stupid to listen to good advice. She was not smart and stupid people should not be in positions of power. I remember reading in the book by Stefan Zweig that she would not see how the French people had needs of their own and those needs were not being met. In all her biographies, even the supportive ones, she was portrayed as a woman who found it incomprehensible that the French people didn't want to wait for her or her husband to do their jobs in providing peace, security, stability, income, and bread/food for them.
It's not like the French aristocrats or royals talk about how much work they already do for the nation, they sit an talk about how they are ready and eager to serve, but stupidly they are NOT AT ALL choosing to do it now. Get the education/training and get into service to the French instead of waiting for something to be restored that would never be restored. Successive French monarchs wore military regalia despite not doing real military service and the French monarchs after the temporary restoration were in fact inept and still insisted on marrying Germans and who knows who else. They refuse to adjust and adapt and they married foreign (usually German) royals and some commoners and insist on living grandly on taxpayer money, while treating effective help like they are being put out.
I wish the royals well, but this fantasy of being 'back' and becoming a reigning dynasty has to stop. It will never happen and if it comes down to politicians versus royalty, politicians will win because there is a difference between earning and receiving. No one in France wants an upper class that is supported by taxpayer money and no one in France as far as I know wants to put up with a bunch of louts causing trouble and getting away with it because of their titles. No one wants to put up with French princes marrying more Germans and put up with the condescension that German royals and aristocrats are famous for. It's not like the French royals learned that German consorts are not popular in France and in a post-WWII France, a German consort would spark violence.
Imagine being a French WWII veteran or former member of the resistance and seeing a German being set above you.
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Post by Admin on Mar 5, 2023 18:36:42 GMT
I sometimes wonder why French royals and aristocrats think that a constitutional republic is something that is only temporary and that it is always only a matter of time until the monarchy is restored and the nation will do penance for getting rid of the monarchy. A lot of monarchists seem determined to make the public feel guilty over getting rid of monarchs that were not doing their jobs or they were simply unable and unwilling to delegate. In the French revolution, the Estates Generale was formed and many were eager to try to get the problems of the nation effectively resolved. Yet despite being a timid monarch and a man who was clearly in over his head, Louis XVI refused to work with the Estates Generale and even wrote a treatise against it once he was on the run. That bit of writing was found and it was likely instrumental in his conviction and execution.
The French do not want a restoration and I am sick of the deification of Marie Antoinette as well. She was an archduchess who ended up being unwilling to grow up until it was too late and it is clear that she was too stupid to listen to good advice. She was not smart and stupid people should not be in positions of power. I remember reading in the book by Stefan Zweig that she would not see how the French people had needs of their own and those needs were not being met. In all her biographies, even the supportive ones, she was portrayed as a woman who found it incomprehensible that the French people didn't want to wait for her or her husband to do their jobs in providing peace, security, stability, income, and bread/food for them. It's not like the French aristocrats or royals talk about how much work they already do for the nation, they sit an talk about how they are ready and eager to serve, but stupidly they are NOT AT ALL choosing to do it now. Get the education/training and get into service to the French instead of waiting for something to be restored that would never be restored. Successive French monarchs wore military regalia despite not doing real military service and the French monarchs after the temporary restoration were in fact inept and still insisted on marrying Germans and who knows who else. They refuse to adjust and adapt and they married foreign (usually German) royals and some commoners and insist on living grandly on taxpayer money, while treating effective help like they are being put out. I wish the royals well, but this fantasy of being 'back' and becoming a reigning dynasty has to stop. It will never happen and if it comes down to politicians versus royalty, politicians will win because there is a difference between earning and receiving. No one in France wants an upper class that is supported by taxpayer money and no one in France as far as I know wants to put up with a bunch of louts causing trouble and getting away with it because of their titles. No one wants to put up with French princes marrying more Germans and put up with the condescension that German royals and aristocrats are famous for. It's not like the French royals learned that German consorts are not popular in France and in a post-WWII France, a German consort would spark violence.
Imagine being a French WWII veteran or former member of the resistance and seeing a German being set above you.
Granted, but the marrying with German nobility was mostly pre-1918 so I don't have a problem with that. Some consorts may not have been popular, but most were just fellow royals and of the rank necessary for marriage. They were just family, ultimately. During the first half of the 20th century, these couplings and marriages no doubt led to some dynastic and other tension - there are a good many accounts of royal family tensions with family pitted against family. |
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Post by kueifei on Mar 6, 2023 23:52:53 GMT
I sometimes wonder why French royals and aristocrats think that a constitutional republic is something that is only temporary and that it is always only a matter of time until the monarchy is restored and the nation will do penance for getting rid of the monarchy. A lot of monarchists seem determined to make the public feel guilty over getting rid of monarchs that were not doing their jobs or they were simply unable and unwilling to delegate. In the French revolution, the Estates Generale was formed and many were eager to try to get the problems of the nation effectively resolved. Yet despite being a timid monarch and a man who was clearly in over his head, Louis XVI refused to work with the Estates Generale and even wrote a treatise against it once he was on the run. That bit of writing was found and it was likely instrumental in his conviction and execution.
The French do not want a restoration and I am sick of the deification of Marie Antoinette as well. She was an archduchess who ended up being unwilling to grow up until it was too late and it is clear that she was too stupid to listen to good advice. She was not smart and stupid people should not be in positions of power. I remember reading in the book by Stefan Zweig that she would not see how the French people had needs of their own and those needs were not being met. In all her biographies, even the supportive ones, she was portrayed as a woman who found it incomprehensible that the French people didn't want to wait for her or her husband to do their jobs in providing peace, security, stability, income, and bread/food for them. It's not like the French aristocrats or royals talk about how much work they already do for the nation, they sit an talk about how they are ready and eager to serve, but stupidly they are NOT AT ALL choosing to do it now. Get the education/training and get into service to the French instead of waiting for something to be restored that would never be restored. Successive French monarchs wore military regalia despite not doing real military service and the French monarchs after the temporary restoration were in fact inept and still insisted on marrying Germans and who knows who else. They refuse to adjust and adapt and they married foreign (usually German) royals and some commoners and insist on living grandly on taxpayer money, while treating effective help like they are being put out. I wish the royals well, but this fantasy of being 'back' and becoming a reigning dynasty has to stop. It will never happen and if it comes down to politicians versus royalty, politicians will win because there is a difference between earning and receiving. No one in France wants an upper class that is supported by taxpayer money and no one in France as far as I know wants to put up with a bunch of louts causing trouble and getting away with it because of their titles. No one wants to put up with French princes marrying more Germans and put up with the condescension that German royals and aristocrats are famous for. It's not like the French royals learned that German consorts are not popular in France and in a post-WWII France, a German consort would spark violence.
Imagine being a French WWII veteran or former member of the resistance and seeing a German being set above you.
Granted, but the marrying with German nobility was mostly pre-1918 so I don't have a problem with that. Some consorts may not have been popular, but most were just fellow royals and of the rank necessary for marriage. They were just family, ultimately. During the first half of the 20th century, these couplings and marriages no doubt led to some dynastic and other tension - there are a good many accounts of royal family tensions with family pitted against family.
The German RF started WWI and German royals and aristocrats got in big with the genocidal Nazi regime. Much of this restoration fixation is based on this wish for lost grandeur; like it wasn't being paid for by someone else. The problem with royals is that their family infighting damages the ability of their home nations to function. Just look at the Windsors and Spanish. Each time French royals talk about a restoration, the French people react negatively. No one wants the running anything or reigning.
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Post by kueifei on Apr 16, 2023 2:26:42 GMT
I wonder how different things would have been if the Bourbons had not ended up ruling. They were not just corrupt, but lacked the discipline needed to maintain order and make significant self sacrifices. Louis XIV ended up being controlled by his addiction to grandeur and built Versailles and who knows how much that cost the nation. Then Louis XV was paying lavishly for a private brothel and numerous titled/pensioned mistresses and Louis XVI didn't have mistresses, but his wife is a legend for wretched excess. They lacked the stamina for self control and self sacrifice. Second, these days their BS delusions of a returning monarchy and deification of Marie Antoinette/Louis XVI in fact forgetting that no one in France wants a monarchy so this idiotic quarreling is in fact pointless. The Valois had flaws and the Capet are barely studied and I wonder how different things would be if either Valois or Capet had been ruling France.
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Post by kueifei on Apr 22, 2023 17:40:22 GMT
I honestly wonder WHY French aristocrats and royals want there to be a restoration; these days reigning royals are no longer necessary and just get in the way of everyone around them. Yet strangely they are effectively fantasizing about some kind of grandeur that isn't paid for by them. Supporters stupidly think that a reigning family will bring greatness to THEM, but the reality is that royals these days are mediocre and making it clear that they are 'normal just like everyone else.' I don't think dethroned royals and aristos want to make a contribution, but they are seeking some kind of validation that they refuse to develop for themselves. Why would a duchess or countess be allowed to be held up above a brilliant diplomat? Why do former kings/queens want to take back what is not coming back? A lot of people sigh over the royals, but it is clear that royals don't really care about the needs of the public or how to respect a politician or they would not have been overthrown. If the French royalty and aristocracy had done genuine work to improve the situation of the French people, revolution would not have happened. The revolution happened out of acute desperation and it is clear to me that much could have been avoided if the royals had made sincere sacrifices.
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