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Tudors
Oct 16, 2020 23:33:16 GMT
Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2020 23:33:16 GMT
youtu.be/IFm4AE1Hm4YQueen Mary and Queen Elizabeth Mary was a short-lived, little-favoured Catholic and Elizabeth was a long-reigning, all-admired Protestant. However, Henry VIII's daughters have more in common than meets the eye.
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Post by kueifei on May 28, 2021 15:43:01 GMT
One of the most violent dynasties ever to rule England. I also sincerely think that Anne Bolyen was the worst person to have married Henry VIII. She literally went after Katherine of Aragon nonstop and persecuted Mary Tudor up until Anne's execution. Henry VIII also invented and perfected judicial murder and eventually judicial regicide under Anne's tenure as mistress and eventual queen.
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2021 16:03:21 GMT
One of the most violent dynasties ever to rule England. I also sincerely think that Anne Bolyen was the worst person to have married Henry VIII. She literally went after Katherine of Aragon nonstop and persecuted Mary Tudor up until Anne's execution. Henry VIII also invented and perfected judicial murder and eventually judicial regicide under Anne's tenure as mistress and eventual queen. I agree, but then again British history is full of extreme violence and those warring dynasties. Henry VIII was nothing more than a sociopathic murderer, in my estimation. Mary Tudor's treatment as a young woman was pure child abuse. My heart goes out to the victims of this particularly murderous dynasty.
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Tudors
Jun 22, 2021 17:38:09 GMT
Post by kueifei on Jun 22, 2021 17:38:09 GMT
What irritates me is how Anne Boleyn as canonized since she was the mother of Elizabeth, but it is forgotten the way Anne ripped England apart and smashed so many lives. Sir Thomas More was an internationally revered humanist and he was executed for not recognizing Henry as the equivalent of Pope and how who knows how many others suffered. When Katherine of Aragon was thrown down, Anne would NOT STOP urging Henry to continue to terrorize and torment Katherine and Mary despite the fact that when Henry started showing interest in Anne, Katherine started being especially nice and was not mean to Anne at all; Katherine knew that it was Henry doing the pursuing and that Anne was a woman who didn't have much by way of choice. So many forget that the reason Anne had so many enemies is because Anne had some kind of demon in her that seemed to urge her on to destroy every little thing that triggered her. If Anne had not been executed, she would have ended up likely wanting more and more and more people murdered. It was nonstop. After Katherine and Mary were disinherited, neither had any real place in Henry's feelings. I 'get it' that Jane was a homewrecker, but Jane was not a homicidal maniac and would not have urged Henry to murder all of his political opponents. All that horrific rebellion (Pilgrimage of Grace) was a result of Anne's determination to wipe out the old English ways.
Then Elizabeth came along and despite her popularity and the public support she had, she then started her own genocidal reign and the railroaded and imprisoned Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth had no real just cause to hold Mary essentially a hostage for nineteen straight years.
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Post by cheryl on Nov 22, 2021 6:15:16 GMT
The British people despise Anne to this day, we have long memories. Camilla will never be popular either. The people like to have favourites and there is always a baddie. You are right about Elizabeth and Mary, Queen of Scots, she wasn't an English person and yet she was charged with treason. It has become increasingly obvious to historians that the casket letters weren't written by Mary, but by William Cecil and his ilk to force Elizabeth to sign Mary's death warrant.
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Jan 15, 2022 5:53:25 GMT
Post by kueifei on Jan 15, 2022 5:53:25 GMT
Mary Stuart was just reacting after being imprisoned; if Elizabeth had ended up receiving and then sending Mary to France, I think a HUGE conflict was able to be avoided. I also think that locking up Mary was the worst possible way for Elizabeth to deal with Mary, although Mary did start it by announcing that Elizabeth in her view was a usurper. Just goes to show that Mary should have accepted that Elizabeth was wanted by the people and had been crowned and anointed. Then Mary did end up making bad choices although any Scottish monarch never had it easy in ruling the fractious Scots. Then Elizabeth did fund rebellion against Mary as much as she could and did work to sow unrest.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 11, 2023 16:28:23 GMT
Mary Boleyn wasn't a bad woman; she was no different in that situation, you can't say no to a king and she said 'yes,' and managed to survive Henry VIII's reign and quite frankly, she had no point to anyone. She shouldn't be considered some failure because she didn't break up a royal marriage.
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2023 18:42:18 GMT
Mary Boleyn wasn't a bad woman; she was no different in that situation, you can't say no to a king and she said 'yes,' and managed to survive Henry VIII's reign and quite frankly, she had no point to anyone. She shouldn't be considered some failure because she didn't break up a royal marriage.
She seems like an innocent victim of circumstances. I will watch the video later. For now cannot understand why people always want to link historical characters to Bill and Harry - they hardly appreciate their ancestors as it is? Diana didnt even want Charles to name Harry, Albert, which would have been a nice tribute to a truly worthy ancestor. Maybe good thing they didnt as Albert was a remarkable and intelligent man and I personally don't see that brilliance in either of Diana's boys. There, now back on topic lol
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Post by kueifei on Feb 12, 2023 0:05:23 GMT
Mary was from an era where royals did divorce, but there were barriers and no one ever really crossed them. Mary wasn't some stupid tart who didn't know how to play her hand. Anne played and messed with people where she was in over her head. Anne made the mistake of deluding herself that she was an equal just because a king agreed to marry her and Mary was someone who probably saw what was underneath all that royal geniality. She saw the ruthlessness and she saw just exactly how vicious monarchs get when crossed.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2023 0:18:00 GMT
Mary was from an era where royals did divorce, but there were barriers and no one ever really crossed them. Mary wasn't some stupid tart who didn't know how to play her hand. Anne played and messed with people where she was in over her head. Anne made the mistake of deluding herself that she was an equal just because a king agreed to marry her and Mary was someone who probably saw what was underneath all that royal geniality. She saw the ruthlessness and she saw just exactly how vicious monarchs get when crossed. Henry VIII was a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. Ruthless and cruel beyond belief - she spared herself and didn't play with fire. Good for her that she managed to survive that evil ogre.
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Feb 25, 2023 19:28:16 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Feb 25, 2023 23:36:06 GMT
Mary was from an era where royals did divorce, but there were barriers and no one ever really crossed them. Mary wasn't some stupid tart who didn't know how to play her hand. Anne played and messed with people where she was in over her head. Anne made the mistake of deluding herself that she was an equal just because a king agreed to marry her and Mary was someone who probably saw what was underneath all that royal geniality. She saw the ruthlessness and she saw just exactly how vicious monarchs get when crossed. Henry VIII was a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. Ruthless and cruel beyond belief - she spared herself and didn't play with fire. Good for her that she managed to survive that evil ogre.
I hate how Anne Boleyn is held up as some femininity icon, along with her borderline sociopath daughter Elizabeth. For some reason Anne stealing Henry VIII and destroying the Catholic connection to England was somehow seen as empowering. Feminists would not do to Katherine what Anne did to Katherine. Elizabeth danced on Mary Tudor's grave and then chose to overthrow and imprison Mary Stuart and then Mary Stuart reacted against it like anyone else would. Renouncing her crown for freedom would in fact be anathema to anyone in that position and it's not like Mary Stuart had any clue to be anything other than a monarch. Elizabeth and the rest of the Tudors would not stop attacking Scotland and predictably the Scots did not like it. That whole dynasty is from a jumped up Welshman who overthrew the House of York/Plantagenet and say what you will about that dynasty, the Plantagenet knew how to rule and up until Edward IV came along, knew what it took to make a kingdom. I DO NOT GET why these kings marry these commoners who bring nothing but baggage and problems along with them. Elizabeth Woodville prevented Edward from marrying a princess who would have brought a cast iron alliance and Anne Boleyn ripped England apart even more.
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Post by Admin on Feb 26, 2023 1:06:23 GMT
Henry VIII was a horrible, horrible excuse for a human being. Ruthless and cruel beyond belief - she spared herself and didn't play with fire. Good for her that she managed to survive that evil ogre. I hate how Anne Boleyn is held up as some femininity icon, along with her borderline sociopath daughter Elizabeth. For some reason Anne stealing Henry VIII and destroying the Catholic connection to England was somehow seen as empowering. Feminists would not do to Katherine what Anne did to Katherine. Elizabeth danced on Mary Tudor's grave and then chose to overthrow and imprison Mary Stuart and then Mary Stuart reacted against it like anyone else would. Renouncing her crown for freedom would in fact be anathema to anyone in that position and it's not like Mary Stuart had any clue to be anything other than a monarch. Elizabeth and the rest of the Tudors would not stop attacking Scotland and predictably the Scots did not like it. That whole dynasty is from a jumped up Welshman who overthrew the House of York/Plantagenet and say what you will about that dynasty, the Plantagenet knew how to rule and up until Edward IV came along, knew what it took to make a kingdom. I DO NOT GET why these kings marry these commoners who bring nothing but baggage and problems along with them. Elizabeth Woodville prevented Edward from marrying a princess who would have brought a cast iron alliance and Anne Boleyn ripped England apart even more.
Quite frankly, I'm bored rigid with tales and stories of the Tudors (not good discussions that are on RG, though, just the family lol), as the focus on them has been done to death (pardon the pun?) - they were all ruthless and surely sociopathic in their own ways. Not an inspiring family to have to re-visit over and over again. Henry's son Edward VI, had all the makings of a true sociopath, apparently. www.historyextra.com/period/tudor/edward-vi-forgotten-tudor-king-henry-son-legacy-death-when-how-did-he-die/Edward VI: why the forgotten Tudor king had the makings of a monster The son Henry VIII always wanted is often maligned as a sickly child – but does he deserve this reputation? The real Edward VI, writes historian Tracy Borman, was a hearty lad who could have been as terrible as his father had he not met his untimely death in 1553 (aged 15) www.factinate.com/people/42-tragic-facts-edward-vi-doomed-son-henry-viii/Chilling Facts About Edward VI, The Doomed Son Of Henry VIII History portrays Edward VI as the feeble and ultimately doomed son of Henry VIII, but the truth is so much darker than that. Far from a weakling, even as a boy, Edward proved nearly as twisted as his rotund father—and his gruesome end was likely a blessing for England. Don’t believe us? Dive in and find out for yourself.
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Post by kueifei on Mar 9, 2023 18:13:21 GMT
What I find shocking is how Katherine of Aragon was treated. As Infanta of Spain and daughter of the legendary "Catholic Kings of Spain" she was brought to England and Henry VII whined all the time about her dowry and after the death of her first husband Prince Arthur of Wales, she was first kind of ignored and then she was made to wait in poverty for an official engagement and then after that, she was subject to constant humiliation by living off of the 'charity' of a laggardly miser king and made to wear and re-wear older and too worn clothes. She had to eat rotten meat and she had to put up with piling up debts and being abused by creditors. She then had to deal with Henry VIII's constant infidelities (nothing unique) and the deaths of children that wasn't likely entirely her fault. Then after Henry VIII falls for Anne Boleyn, Katherine was told that he wanted not just a divorce, but an annulment and wanted Katherine to admit that she had been Henry VIII's unwitting long term mistress and their daughter, the first official female Princess of Wales in English history in her own right be bastardized. AS if that wasn't cruel enough, Henry VIII ends up parading Anne as his legitimate 'wife' and robs Katherine of the most basic comforts, let alone the trappings of a proper Queen who was also a Princess of Spain. So it's not like even the fact that she was a decent human being mattered or had shared so much of his life.
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