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Post by statkika22 on Nov 10, 2022 21:08:29 GMT
Just found your chatroom today. Very entertaining without the vile abuse from twitter. I like it Got into the crown recently and looking forward to Elizabeth Debicki's performance as Diana. BTW, find it sweet justice that they actress they already cast as Catherine for Season 6 is ... Megan
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Post by Admin on Nov 10, 2022 21:14:24 GMT
Just found your chatroom today. Very entertaining without the vile abuse from twitter. I like it Got into the crown recently and looking forward to Elizabeth Debicki's performance as Diana. BTW, find it sweet justice that they actress they already cast as Catherine for Season 6 is ... Megan Thanks for finding us! Spread the word and there is a lot of buzz around the Crown. What is this about the actress playing Kate? Admin
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Post by statkika22 on Nov 10, 2022 21:24:27 GMT
Just found your chatroom today. Very entertaining without the vile abuse from twitter. I like it Got into the crown recently and looking forward to Elizabeth Debicki's performance as Diana. BTW, find it sweet justice that they actress they already cast as Catherine for Season 6 is ... Megan Thanks for finding us! Spread the word and there is a lot of buzz around the Crown. What is this about the actress playing Kate? Admin Here's the article. Actually, she goes by Meg, I just realized. www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a40880661/the-crown-season-six-prince-william-casting/And thank you for the welcome
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Post by Admin on Nov 13, 2022 3:18:44 GMT
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Post by Guest on Nov 14, 2022 7:17:57 GMT
I only read a little about it. I quickly did not find that story about the Charles and Camilla being each other's one and only true love ever compelling or convincing. Apparently, Camilla knew from quite a young age about her ancestor and Charles' being lovers yet chose to marry and engage in affairs with multiple men then go on to proposition to Charles that they do the same. If they constituted each other's one and only true love, this would not have happened that way, since apparently she knew about him and had had her heart set on having an affair with Charles starting as she had been very young while marrying multiple others. Also, while I have to a certain extent sympathy for Diana, Diana knew what she was getting into in more than one way at more than one time. She was not unaware of the machinations or the prestige and power of the position she took on. My impression from having read a number of biographies about the history of the monarchy there and about her and them is that they were aware of all the machinations. After all, members of the royal family there historically plotted the mortal end of their siblings, all sorts of affairs and the mortal end of their lovers or significant others for political gain. Also, they are a German family. Their name is Saxe-Coburg-Gothe and was until not all that long ago. I read earlier they changed it because it was not good for their image that it was the same name that as a German weapon that was attacking Britain and the Allies and the common people of that and those countries during one of the World Wars. I read earlier they chose Windsor, apparently inspired by a place, supposedly to sound more British. Their name also isn't actually Mountbatten, now the name apparently accused of extreme inappropriateness with children. That name supposedly is originally Battenburg. www.britannica.com/topic/house-of-WindsorThese and other things are what I was referring to when I typed that I think it is a waste of taxpayer-funded money and resources, especially during chaotic times, bad economies, natural disasters, pandemic/health emergencies and a war, to constantly churn out their PR to keep common people in the dark about allegations about their inappropriateness with minors and other inappropriate conduct. They live lives of luxury and churn out PR that they are victims. They use the inappropriateness of one of them to waste taxpayer-funded money to churn out PR that poor, struggling, suffering common people should spend their time sympathizing for and increasing the power of the rest of them. I have true sympathy for actual victims like those children that allegedly were made to engage in all the inappropriateness. Also, their arguments are not logical and seem to pretend that the internet and earlier records do not exist. It is almost as sad a showing as Andrew's TV interview, which apparently he thought he succeeded triumphantly at. Why did the monarch never explain why she supported and covered up Andrew's and therefore Epstein's deeds so long and thus allowed so many more children to be so awfully harmed? Why did she, Will, Middleton, Charles and the entire family never explain why ABC and the specific woman caught on the hot mic said that she could not release the story since this would result in no press access to Will and Middleton? Why did Markle marry into a family about which the statements about Middleton and Will traveling to Middleton's uncle's Ibiza Maison de Bang Bang after he was known and documented to offer girl prostitutes and drugs there had already long been known then turn around and state that she champions minorities and women?
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Post by Guest on Nov 14, 2022 7:33:25 GMT
As I am aware, documentation and allegations about Middleton, Will and MIddleton's uncle Gary's known offerings of drugs and girl prostitutes at the Ibiza Maison de Bang Bang since before Will and MIddleton stayed there, Charles close friendship with Jimmy Savile as well as apparently their ties to those high in government, Epstein's criminal sentence ýet Andrew's continued close friendship with him, Middleton and her yacht job as well as her ties to Emma Sayle and Killing KIttens and Middleton's Sisterhood membership were all public well before Markle became engaged to Harry.
Markle wrote about this family in her blog, took pictures in front of one of their signature buildings, apparently had a book about Diana on her shelf, supposedly watched her wedding--apparently more than once even--and now repeatedly states she has loved, watched and followed Jeopardy and trivia since childhood through now. Harry dressing up as a Nazi was widely covered in the news as I recall. The image I saw was of an extremely large, extremely horrifying, recognizable Nazi swastika he openly wore. Colonialism and the family's history is discussed at least to some extent in school history classes.
Why does no one hold Spotify or, depending on what happens next, Netflix, accountable for repeatedly releasing her untrue statements? These are an awful example for youth, society and everyone. This type of untrue information in media is having a terrible effect on society, elections and democracy. It is also a disastrous message to send to countries that are not yet though might be considering democracy, freedom of speech, free elections and freedom of the press, especially during a war.
I am curious if Spotify is having more success in terms of revenues, profits, subscriptions and reception or less after release of her podcast.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 4, 2022 23:54:38 GMT
The latest season looks pointless. Despite all the scandals, they have made all of this look boring and all about how Diana is unhappy. They never covered Fergie's mess at all. Stupid and pointless. Pointless.
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Post by kueifei on Jun 25, 2023 22:51:38 GMT
I watched the entire series and I wanted to slap Diana senseless; she was warned by Prince Philip that she could do all she wanted to please herself and she blew up her husband's rep anyway. Penny was bringing her cancer stricken daughter on that tropical cruise and Diana whined about how Camilla might as well have been there. Did Diana even know that a little kid was cancer stricken and died shortly or did Diana not care (as usual). HME was portrayed as highly limited, but I cheered when she lectured Diana about the burdens she was putting on William. HME was telling the truth when she was telling Diana that all she and the rest of the BRF wanted was for Diana to be happy and one day be Queen Consort. Camilla in my view should have quietly walked away from Charles and lived an anonymous life. Then there is the fact that Diana should have been less focused on a dishy doctor and more focused on the well being of the woman she was supposed to be supporting at that hospital. She was unreal on how she didn't think that it was the worst possible time to get herself into another crush.
I understand how Philip felt, marrying someone he was distant from and how he was irritated at a wife who was not outside of her limited perspective. Then there is the fact that William was showing strains of having a mother who was talking to her son about stuff that was in fact not appropriate.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 23:36:14 GMT
I watched the entire series and I wanted to slap Diana senseless; she was warned by Prince Philip that she could do all she wanted to please herself and she blew up her husband's rep anyway. Penny was bringing her cancer stricken daughter on that tropical cruise and Diana whined about how Camilla might as well have been there. Did Diana even know that a little kid was cancer stricken and died shortly or did Diana not care (as usual). HME was portrayed as highly limited, but I cheered when she lectured Diana about the burdens she was putting on William. HME was telling the truth when she was telling Diana that all she and the rest of the BRF wanted was for Diana to be happy and one day be Queen Consort. Camilla in my view should have quietly walked away from Charles and lived an anonymous life. Then there is the fact that Diana should have been less focused on a dishy doctor and more focused on the well being of the woman she was supposed to be supporting at that hospital. She was unreal on how she didn't think that it was the worst possible time to get herself into another crush.
I understand how Philip felt, marrying someone he was distant from and how he was irritated at a wife who was not outside of her limited perspective. Then there is the fact that William was showing strains of having a mother who was talking to her son about stuff that was in fact not appropriate.
I didn't know that about the little girl. I must admit I don't remember her story at all. How horrible and tragic.
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Post by kueifei on Jun 28, 2023 15:39:21 GMT
I watched the entire series and I wanted to slap Diana senseless; she was warned by Prince Philip that she could do all she wanted to please herself and she blew up her husband's rep anyway. Penny was bringing her cancer stricken daughter on that tropical cruise and Diana whined about how Camilla might as well have been there. Did Diana even know that a little kid was cancer stricken and died shortly or did Diana not care (as usual). HME was portrayed as highly limited, but I cheered when she lectured Diana about the burdens she was putting on William. HME was telling the truth when she was telling Diana that all she and the rest of the BRF wanted was for Diana to be happy and one day be Queen Consort. Camilla in my view should have quietly walked away from Charles and lived an anonymous life. Then there is the fact that Diana should have been less focused on a dishy doctor and more focused on the well being of the woman she was supposed to be supporting at that hospital. She was unreal on how she didn't think that it was the worst possible time to get herself into another crush.
I understand how Philip felt, marrying someone he was distant from and how he was irritated at a wife who was not outside of her limited perspective. Then there is the fact that William was showing strains of having a mother who was talking to her son about stuff that was in fact not appropriate.
I didn't know that about the little girl. I must admit I don't remember her story at all. How horrible and tragic.
I did watch how Dodi and Kelly were before Diana came along and I think that if Dodi had been with Kelly and not Diana, Dodi would have lived. Diana behaving like a perpetual tragedy queen was galling to say the least and I am sick with disgust at how Diana would NOT see how she looked to other people. She was living the life of a vacation and I am certain that she would have enjoyed life more if she had decided to grow up. Dodi proposing was sweet and meanwhile Diana is being roped in and Kelly was about to get publicly jilted/humiliated. I find it intriguing how the BRF whined nonstop about the series, but it isn't half as bad as it could have been made. There is the fact that it never covered Fergie's mess and it never covered any of the real dirty phone calls Diana made, it just showed her as a perpetually depressed loner who was a victim. I sometimes wonder if whether or not Diana would have benefited from seeing that if her husband had been a regular guy, he would have left her after her refusal to get active treatment for her bulimia and the constant accusations. I have learned that the more a man makes of himself, the more reluctant he is to get a divorce. Charles never wanted a divorce and neither did the monarchy. Even Prince Philip outright permitted her to do as she liked, when she liked, in whatever way she liked, as long as she never broke the code of silence or ended up doing anything treasonous. Both of which she did. Charles was not just any other man and most men would not want a wife who is under-educated and suffering chronic depression and not doing anything to help herself.
Then there was the Ghillies Ball where Diana was dressed in the finest of everything and looked like a slumped over teenager; then there is the other limitless advantages and I understand chronic clinical depression from experience, but I had to pull through it because I wanted to be better, healthier, and happier. She was someone who was spending her entire wasted life resenting other people who were actually people who belonged in her set, in her life and had a right to be there. I'm not just talking about Camilla, I am talking about the set that is there by hereditary right and she had no right to end up not wanting them there. If I had been in her position, I would have been bringing stacks of Shakespeare to that cruise and doing all I can to monopolize my husband's time and I would have been trying to include him in going on jet skis or the speedboat and I would have outright ordered him to fulfill is marital obligations. Resenting Penny being there with a dying little girl is just low and Diana never, throughout this series, realized just how to use her privileged life. Her life as Lady Diana Spencer was not entirely secure since at some point the free ride would have had to end and I am certain that she would have had to decide on a spouse. Then there is the fact that her life as a divorcee was not as advantaged and I wonder if her diplomatic passport was yanked as well.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 23, 2023 18:17:09 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 24, 2023 13:05:33 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 25, 2023 23:17:09 GMT
This is how Camilla is treated at the palace: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbeeq0tZor8&pp=ygURY2FtaWxsYSB0aGUgY3Jvd24%3DThis is how Diana was brought to the palace: www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5EtRyNZiIY&pp=ygUdRGlhbmEgYXQgaHRlIHBhbGFjZSB0aGUgY3Jvd24%3DDiana was brought publicly and respectfully and joyously while Camilla was brought under cover of dark and wearing a skirt up to her bottom and the butler was really aware that she wasn't there as a lady, so much as a lady of the night. Diana met the RF right away, was welcomed in, and was effectively placed in a place in the family circle. If Charles had loved Camilla, he never would have let her be treated that way. Then there is the fact that no man who loves a woman lets her be his mistress. I see clips of how the entire new series tries to justify the affair between Camilla and Charles. There was never anything preventing Charles from marrying Camilla. Charles never respected her. Charles never respected Camilla at all, ever.
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Post by Admin on Nov 26, 2023 1:46:50 GMT
They were, especially the one with Charles. Ironically, been thinking for the longest time for such scenes (haunted by regrets/ghosts/those who have passed away) for my writing and it's kind of remarkable that these scenes were written in and seem so genuine and sincerely done. Kudos to the writers and actors. Very fine acting - brought layers to the characters, who are sometimes caricaturized. There was love there, and those who set themselves solidly in the Diana camp or BRF camp often fail to understand that. EVEN for royalty - they display the same mix of contradictory emotions and feelings we all have. Not one side evil and the other side perfection.Showing Charles as the man he really is - not some ogre who detested Diana and wished her any harm, but a deep-feeling human being. Love, sympathy and perhaps a deep regret that the marriage didn't work out? I loved seeing portrayals with layers. I hope that viewer take something from that or at least ruminate on that.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 26, 2023 3:30:49 GMT
They were, especially the one with Charles. Ironically, been thinking for the longest time for such scenes (haunted by regrets/ghosts/those who have passed away) for my writing and it's kind of remarkable that these scenes were written in and seem so genuine and sincerely done. Kudos to the writers and actors. Very fine acting - brought layers to the characters, who are sometimes caricaturized. There was love there, and those who set themselves solidly in the Diana camp or BRF camp often fail to understand that. EVEN for royalty - they display the same mix of contradictory emotions and feelings we all have. Not one side evil and the other side perfection.Showing Charles as the man he really is - not some ogre who detested Diana and wished her any harm, but a deep-feeling human being. Love, sympathy and perhaps a deep regret that the marriage didn't work out? I loved seeing portrayals with layers. I hope that viewer take something from that or at least ruminate on that. I think Charles loved her with the kind of love that comes from respect. He respected her. He never tried to sleep or dishonor her before marriage and he was the kind of man who might be considered indecisive, but he was in fact careful. He loved her for her help she did give and a lot of people failed to give Charles the type of responsibility that would remove him from Camilla and in my view HME was the same failure as Queen Victoria, both refused to give their heirs any kind of serious responsibilities that would keep them out of trouble and provide a healthy outlet for growth and maturity. I think that had Diana and Charles been less pressured to perform and had been less held back by certain types of protocol, I am certain that their marriage would have been healthier. I think Charles was rendered nonfunctional and I did read that the cameras never recorded how Charles fell apart in the Abbey at the funeral shortly before leaving for Diana's formal burial. The real mess comes from the fact that Charles did not fight for his wife's mental well-being and he should have been more flexible in being less of an asshole about his (immature) distaste for fashionable city life. If he had just been willing to focus on his wife's interests and spend some time or even months at KP indulging his wife's wishes to be a city hostess, I am sure much more would have been better. Charles and Diana were on better terms and I think Diana saw more clearly how much Charles was dedicating himself to, she saw the value of the work, and Charles likely saw how much more she throve in the city and I deep down think there might have been a solid, even romantic reconciliation. If HME was giving Diana official assignments plus access to perks, it's not like Diana was deep frozen. Diana also had her office and huge budget and KP as a residence. I really think that while we've said that Diana should have been booted out after a while, I think that if Diana had survived, Charles would have stepped up and involved in a way that would have likely led to him understanding more about really taking care of his wife and looking after a sincerely vulnerable spouse would have entailed. Second, near the end of her life, Diana was no real active threat and if Diana had continue to make a kind of mess of her life, Charles would have had to step in if only for the sake of his sons. He really did love her, but she was a kind of mess and he was too thick to see all of it from a more mature perspective. If Lady C. is right, Diana was sorting out her bulimia and she was looking healthier and I think Charles and Diana could have reconnected. What the Crown does show are the different ways that Camilla and Diana were viewed. I also do not think it shows that Charles didn't want for Camilla to be accepted, he had to wait until the Queen Mother died and so did Princess Margaret. Second, Camilla had to wait because she had to earn Charles' respect and Charles never fought for Camilla to be Princess of Wales and named as such and second, Charles did get Camilla crowned, but Camilla was still stuck fighting for it. If Charles had loved Camilla, the way he loved Diana (love mixed with respect) then I am certain that had Diana not died or had not been in Paris, Diana and Charles would have continued to bond over their sons and their activities would have crossed at some point in time. IT wasn't just time that would have healed, but a more mature development on both their parts. Diana's death led to a void in Charles that no one believes is there because they refuse to see that he had. Imagine maybe thinking that he could reconcile with his ex-wife after his wife has gotten her issues out of her system and I really think there was a chance. After she died, Diana was gone for good and he would not be able to go back to her or reach out and really ask her to come back to him, come home to her real home and her real way of life and her real rightful place at his side. Diana would have come running back and I am certain that with a more settled personality with mature development, she would have been welcomed back as "HRH" Princess of Wales and even if they had to wait until after the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret passed, that would have been just fine by both of them and I am certain that it would have kept her sons in line. Self-destruction is not inevitable. imagine that kind of love story. Not just an ingenue, but a ingenue divorcee and a prince who lost his princess and go figure, both reconciled after HMQM died and Princess Margaret ended up leaving. Remember, Charles ran to Paris and made sure Diana had a suitable return. He fought for her to have a regal burial and not just be shoveled into the Spencer family vault. He went there himself and he worked to support his sons. He did all he could. If there was no love there, he would have shoveled his wife into the ground and received her coffin via FedEx in England and sobbed on Camilla's shoulder while the coffin was driven via hearse to the Spencer family estate. It's not like he didn't care, it's just that neither of him and Diana were given time and space to develop as a couple. As for HME, that was a great moment and really well done. HME was mistaken as Queen to think that length of service would mean that one formula would always work. The real problem with long term service is that sometimes the staff begins to think they are as the same as the master they are serving. HME was surrounded by elderly people who do not see that there is nothing wrong with someone new on the scene and Diana blew away a lot of cobwebs and was a threat to those who would not separate their profession from their personal life of service. Diaan did expect her staff to know their place and kind of like Meg, Diana was mistakenly viewed as some interloper, not a natural addition to Charles' life. It wasn't just that Diana was unwelcome to the Highgrove set, but that she was unwelcome to people who refused to adjust and adapt, just like Prince Philip was put through. It was natural that HME would marry, but her consort was treated like some invasive presence and he wasn't. I think in some way HME prompted HME to become a more proactive and decisive monarch, but HME failed the test of time.
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