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Post by Admin on Sept 26, 2021 15:23:06 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 27, 2021 1:15:40 GMT
I think much of this can be summed up as being a result when a fan marries their idol and they can't handle the mundane reality. Diana and Charles were from the same upper crust background, both were from prominent families, and both had humanitarian intentions while loving the good life. Diana herself was not someone who preferred budget stuff and regrettably, neither was honest enough about themselves to be able to bond as adults. Neither was willing to accept that they loved their positions and loved the luxuries that they were able to enjoy.
Diana idolized Charles, but she wouldn't accept that under the media veneer, there was a man who genuinely wanted to live a laid back, humdrum life and didn't understand the reality (too late realized) that his new wife didn't want to marry the way of life, but wanted the lifestyle. She was not at all content to live the way of life she was surely fully familiar with and should have accepted as natural. She wasn't (in my view) a fame addict, so much as she became addicted to the fame and liked the narrative that the press created in regards to her way of being. Instead of accepting that much of her hype was overblown and caricature (as it always is) she ended up deciding to live that narrative and suddenly that narrative became her personality, the reality by which she chose to live her life. She never developed a way to pull herself out of it. Then suddenly she was a victim, had never had any clue of the royal way of life, and then ended up going nutzo and unable to settle into the mundane routine of day to day life and was suddenly making herself sick and refusing to mature; I think that many of her reactive behavior was in fact a trait of someone who is resisting their own mature development. If Diana had settled into the royal routine of life and had not gotten addicted to her own narrative, she would have matured, continued to mature, into the aristo who became a royal and had kids and did her charity work with the amazing zest that she took to it. She however suddenly kept regressing to someone she would have outgrown a long time ago (that abandoned little girl whose mother was fleeing an abusive marriage, not just dumping her kids) and if she had issues, talked with a therapist and had her treatment and gone on to live a blissful life. But like Daisy Buchanen of Great Gatsby, she spent much of her time pitying herself and yet, didn't have the guts to leave the marriage until she had thoroughly trashed her husband/BRF and gotten a fat check. She also couldn't handle the fact that like a lot of people, famous people, Charles had interests that weren't loaded with drama and didn't want to get worked up over things he knew he couldn't change. I think Diana was done a disservice when she wasn't shepherd into working for the Prince's Trust and she would have made a FINE asset, but she was left adrift with independence and power that she was not ready to handle maturely.
As for Charles, he liked having a wife that was a huge asset, but he refused to grow out of being a mommy figure. He had NO RIGHT to dump the burden of support on a 19 year old kid and no 19 year old should support/sustain a 31 year old adult. In parenting books, you are NEVER supposed to get a kid to support the parent. I also think that he had no right to not use his stupid brain and get his dolt mistress to accept that it wasn't the job of his WIFE to take the feelings of the mistress into consideration. It never is. Being a mistress come with the hazard of being hated. I also believe that it is and should be clear that he made the BAD CHOICE of marrying a clueless ingenue who adored him, but in reality adored the position and like a rock star marrying an obsessed fan, has no business marrying someone who was clearly not seeing things with a clear focus. I think Charles was railroaded and I also think that he had no business not growing more before marrying. He should have been living in Wales and making his household there and bonding with his people, the people of Wales, not being buried in the shires where Camilla was distracting him and also the other women in that set. I also firmly think that he should have been living in Wales as a kind of Viceroy or reigning prince and also spent time being told to court the types that would be cosmopolitan and fully willing to adhere to the royal routines and ways of life, NOT an ingenue who had no life experience. It was the WORST possible decision to want someone young they thought they could mold and manipulate. I also think that Camilla should have been kept in her place and not at all allowed to have ANY say at all in who he would marry.
Fundamentally though, the real problem was the media. The media clearly thought that they had a right to dictate the situation and make choices about Charles' choice of consort and it is clear that the press literally shoved themselves into the relationship by demanding photo ops instead of just backing off and letting the couple behave with dignity. If they had not been pressured to 'perform,' things would have worked out easier. The press was the third person in the marriage, not Camilla. Diana also had her lovers as well so I can't judge Charles 100%. The press was the reason they married and the press was the reason that it fell apart. For some reason the press in the UK has been allowed to assign itself the role of matchmaker or match-breaker. I also think that the press, the old 80's/90's guard has a very real delusion that somehow they are guardian angels of the royal family and they are not. I do not believe the press really knows anything about boundaries anymore and none of the scandals would have happened if the press wasn't so determined to control the people they are only supposed to be writing about.
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Post by cheryl on Nov 22, 2021 0:05:42 GMT
Diana was too young for marriage to a man in his 30s with more than 2 married mistresses. She was prepared to do her duty and was probably the best Princess of Wales the UK ever had, she was a worker. She took on many unpopular charities .. homeless, AIDS, Leprosy and terminally ill children. Charles wanted his cake and eat it too and the pair began to despise one another. He was jealous of her popularity and the fact she didn't stroke his ego, Camilla did that. After Harry was born Charles basically went back to Camilla who still there for him. Diana at age 23 began to take lovers, and the rest is history.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 19, 2022 22:19:59 GMT
I think they would have had a great life if they had been assigned to live in Wales and travel to London only for holidays and major events (Opening of Parliament/Trooping of the Color) and I think the marriage would have succeeded. As Prince and Princess of Wales, it would have been better and it would have been far more sensible. Charles would stretch his wings better and Diana would have been a mini-Queen and likely thriving. Charles could have run the Trust far more effectively and I am certain that Camilla would have been unable to doink Charles since she would have been required, as APB's wife, to remain in Gloucestershire and she would not have been able to travel to Wales all the time to sleep with Charles and Charles would be too busy and distracted to basically meet up with Camilla. It's not like Charles or Diana NEEDED to be in London and there was no real place for them to grow and work together as a couple. If they had lived in Wales, Charles would have been too busy reigning as a Prince of a Principality and Diana would have been busy doing appearances and the London press would have been too busy with other stories and of course, it would have been too expensive to stay in Wales all the time.
Living in Conwy Castle would have given Charles and Diana a huge place of their own and would have provided Diana with the cosmopolitan surroundings she liked, plus she would be a mini-queen and that would have suited her ego. Plus it would have had a royal presence in the North, but regrettably that chance was missed.
What Diana and Charles needed was time, space, less pressure, and less hassle about adhering to a Victorian order that was long dead. Diana didn't have to do a full schedule right away, what she needed was down time and a chance to go from living in a palace and then reaching out in her own time and she needed to reconnect with friends and maybe some of her family. I also do not think that Diana should have been ordered about by 60 year olds or argued with by staff. 60 is too old to 'handle' a newly arrived ingenue princess and second, Diana was doing her job as wife/mother by providing heirs and a huge POINT of having a wife who becomes a mother is to make sure she is able to do her job as wife/mother. In the beginning Diana was putting William's needs first and foremost and she had every right to. She gave up her YOUTH to be a marital breeding machine and she should NEVER have been hassled about wanting her children nearby. If I had been so lucky as to be able to be a young wife/mother, if I had been in her situation, I would have rightly expected to be able to spend time with my CHILD and be able to bond. for palace courtiers to try to take away the reason she was even marrying into that family, is a huge slap in the face considering the very real sacrifices Diana was making. She was NINETEEN and oddly, she was pressured to behave as a 39 year old.
As for Charles, he should have been more mature than to let the press get inside his head. He was Heir, he was a man of experience, and he was a man who had had press coverage since his conception. So really, he should have no real need to get center stage or really anything else. I mean really, he is HEIR and he is whining like an actor who is afraid that a lack of coverage will cost him work. He marries a teen and wonders WHY the teen acts like a teen?
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