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Post by purple1 on Jan 3, 2021 16:19:27 GMT
^ I guess he is feeling lost and it's easy to understand. Same.
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Post by india on Jan 3, 2021 17:00:16 GMT
I hope Meghan is sweet and kind to Harry
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Post by kueifei on Jan 3, 2021 18:01:20 GMT
I think Meg treats Harry in a very condescending way. Harry likely never sees her upset or frustrated or worked up (she saves that for her private moments). Think of it like Becky Sharp. In the novel, Becky is all sweetness and light, and NEVER sour faced or irritable with Rawdon; however, the author mentions that Rawdon never saw the frustration, the pursed lips in anger that Becky has without him around. Meg is likely a zero-tolerance person with others and plain cutting, but she is not stupid enough to be so around or to Harry since she NEEDS Harry for her title and own security. Meg is an airhead and arrogant, but she is not without cunning. I used to support her since she was mistreated by the British press, but her choices have been bad one round after another. ^ I guess he is feeling lost and it's easy to understand.
Harry is likely hanging around people he has nothing in common with, no roots with. It isn't like he's used to a gypsy personal life. Whatever his travels or partying, he has the ability to return to a place that is home, a family and ancestral history. He is not someone who does not have a lack of family or childhood friends. It is clear that he also has a much more domestic nature than Meg and he strikes me as someone who is frightened in some ways since he has no real ability to make any kind of a life for himself. It's not like he was raised to think on his feet (or think at all) and be resourceful and make something from nothing. Even Invictus was not just something that he conceptualize, but had huge staff and major support. After the hills of England and the palaces/castles/manors that he is used to, it is clear that he will never truly be at home among sun baked stucco or places like The Ivy or new age shops or silly low level film premieres/parties. Hollywood people, the people that Meg pursues friendships with, are basically not people Harry has anything in common with.
He is not at all friends with people like Oprah or Clooney or Serena Williams. He has no history with any of them and certainly does not have any history with Clooney, since Clooney is a man an entire generation older and Amal never moved in his same social circles. It's not like He was ever friends with Serena Williams or ever a buddy with Oprah. He comes from a way of life where history is everything and quite frankly, it strikes me as absurd that he could ever really fit in. No one in Hollywood ever actually 'fits in' mainly since it is an industry loaded with strays in the social sense. Julia Roberts does not come from a grand Hollywood family and Clooney does not come from an upper crust socially prominent California family that would understandably know the Hollywood scene. Seriously, Harry has no one he can trust or reminisce with and it is clear that he may well be uncomfortable with the fact that his wife isn't really making a home for him and their kid. She is not at all forming health family routines/rituals and is running all over the place with Harry as her lackey who also functions as a ticket to places.
Harry is in a situation where he is having to now reconstruct a whole new life in a whole new area and a whole new set of people who are themselves largely transient and strays.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 4, 2021 16:21:20 GMT
I think Meg treats Harry in a very condescending way. Harry likely never sees her upset or frustrated or worked up (she saves that for her private moments). Think of it like Becky Sharp. In the novel, Becky is all sweetness and light, and NEVER sour faced or irritable with Rawdon; however, the author mentions that Rawdon never saw the frustration, the pursed lips in anger that Becky has without him around. Meg is likely a zero-tolerance person with others and plain cutting, but she is not stupid enough to be so around or to Harry since she NEEDS Harry for her title and own security. Meg is an airhead and arrogant, but she is not without cunning. I used to support her since she was mistreated by the British press, but her choices have been bad one round after another. ^ I guess he is feeling lost and it's easy to understand.
Harry is likely hanging around people he has nothing in common with, no roots with. It isn't like he's used to a gypsy personal life. Whatever his travels or partying, he has the ability to return to a place that is home, a family and ancestral history. He is not someone who does not have a lack of family or childhood friends. It is clear that he also has a much more domestic nature than Meg and he strikes me as someone who is frightened in some ways since he has no real ability to make any kind of a life for himself. It's not like he was raised to think on his feet (or think at all) and be resourceful and make something from nothing. Even Invictus was not just something that he conceptualize, but had huge staff and major support. After the hills of England and the palaces/castles/manors that he is used to, it is clear that he will never truly be at home among sun baked stucco or places like The Ivy or new age shops or silly low level film premieres/parties. Hollywood people, the people that Meg pursues friendships with, are basically not people Harry has anything in common with.
He is not at all friends with people like Oprah or Clooney or Serena Williams. He has no history with any of them and certainly does not have any history with Clooney, since Clooney is a man an entire generation older and Amal never moved in his same social circles. It's not like He was ever friends with Serena Williams or ever a buddy with Oprah. He comes from a way of life where history is everything and quite frankly, it strikes me as absurd that he could ever really fit in. No one in Hollywood ever actually 'fits in' mainly since it is an industry loaded with strays in the social sense. Julia Roberts does not come from a grand Hollywood family and Clooney does not come from an upper crust socially prominent California family that would understandably know the Hollywood scene. Seriously, Harry has no one he can trust or reminisce with and it is clear that he may well be uncomfortable with the fact that his wife isn't really making a home for him and their kid. She is not at all forming health family routines/rituals and is running all over the place with Harry as her lackey who also functions as a ticket to places.
Harry is in a situation where he is having to now reconstruct a whole new life in a whole new area and a whole new set of people who are themselves largely transient and strays.
Personally for me I honestly just think he’s not loving his current life but doesn’t want to go back because the firm and the RR will tie him down. So whenever it’s time that will be the perfect time.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 5, 2021 18:26:44 GMT
He won't go back since if he did, William, Kate, and the British press would NEVER let him forget his mistake in messing with Meg. Then he would be assigned the role of the eternally repentant and pathetically grateful younger brother who erred in running off with Meg and it is clear that Kate would then 'take charge of the erring prince' by fixing him up with her sister (who would divorce her husband in a minute if she ended up having a chance) and harry would be at being third rate instead of his previous second rate status. Then he would be hung out to dry, pushed to do more while getting less, and likely even more miserably married.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 5, 2021 21:28:58 GMT
He won't go back since if he did, William, Kate, and the British press would NEVER let him forget his mistake in messing with Meg. Then he would be assigned the role of the eternally repentant and pathetically grateful younger brother who erred in running off with Meg and it is clear that Kate would then 'take charge of the erring prince' by fixing him up with her sister (who would divorce her husband in a minute if she ended up having a chance) and harry would be at being third rate instead of his previous second rate status. Then he would be hung out to dry, pushed to do more while getting less, and likely even more miserably married.
Yet look at the royals right now. They exposed themselves as being useless during the pandemic. Harry was the more popular royal after The Queen and friends I have who live in the UK still love him.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 5, 2021 21:41:14 GMT
He won't go back since if he did, William, Kate, and the British press would NEVER let him forget his mistake in messing with Meg. Then he would be assigned the role of the eternally repentant and pathetically grateful younger brother who erred in running off with Meg and it is clear that Kate would then 'take charge of the erring prince' by fixing him up with her sister (who would divorce her husband in a minute if she ended up having a chance) and harry would be at being third rate instead of his previous second rate status. Then he would be hung out to dry, pushed to do more while getting less, and likely even more miserably married.
Yet look at the royals right now. They exposed themselves as being useless during the pandemic. Harry was the more popular royal after The Queen and friends I have who live in the UK still love him.
The BRF does not think according to logic and quite honestly, Harry would still need to come home and he would be coming home to nonstop mistreatment at the hands of his arsehole family. He would never get any kind of domestic peace.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 6, 2021 8:18:17 GMT
Yet look at the royals right now. They exposed themselves as being useless during the pandemic. Harry was the more popular royal after The Queen and friends I have who live in the UK still love him.
The BRF does not think according to logic and quite honestly, Harry would still need to come home and he would be coming home to nonstop mistreatment at the hands of his arsehole family. He would never get any kind of domestic peace.
As time goes on esp in this decade the firm will be hanging on a thread. Felt like it started in 2020. They need goodwill.
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Post by bonnie on Jan 6, 2021 10:53:02 GMT
^^^^ God, my heart sank. But you're so right! And yeah, if H would ever be back, Kate will do everything to couple H and Pips. Btw there are a lot of articles pushing "Harry we are waiting you back. Just you" narrative. Meghan was never a good choice for royal family. They just don't suit (lol) each other. But this is the same for Kate, Sophie, Fergie, Di... Even Cams (who seems the most adequate in the whole family now). But how disgusting Middletons are!...
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Post by purple1 on Jan 6, 2021 12:10:50 GMT
^^^^ God, my heart sank. But you're so right! And yeah, if H would ever be back, Kate will do everything to couple H and Pips. Btw there are a lot of articles pushing "Harry we are waiting you back. Just you" narrative. Meghan was never a good choice for royal family. They just don't suit (lol) each other. But this is the same for Kate, Sophie, Fergie, Di... Even Cams (who seems the most adequate in the whole family now). But how disgusting Middletons are!... The irony of it all they all want him back. First of all now that he’s gone I hope they felt the gap he created for that family! True don’t think they suit each other at all lol
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Post by bonnie on Jan 6, 2021 12:47:48 GMT
^ Yes, they want him back (maybe Charles mostly) and I think some roots of "william over charles" articles are in that. Charles understands that HM is not timeless, Anne also. I guess Charles considered working W and K and supporting H&M at his reigning (plus their kids) so basically it's 6 adults + 4 (finally 5 I guess) kids - not much but enough for working royals. And finally Charles wouldn't need Wessexes neither Anne. I am pretty sure Charles is just waiting the moment he can invite Harry back - the moment when he can decide everything himself, not obey QE's will. Will and Kate doesn't want Harry come back with Meg. I am sure they want just Harry - married w/ Pips (as kueifei said) or alone but dim and not overshadow W&K. If not - they have Wessexes and I guess they have some kind of an agreement: Ed and Sophie are both working hard, supporting W&K, and if W is really a king over Charles one day - Sophie and Ed will get their DoE no matter what and some money from Sovereign Grant.
"william over charles" is good for w&k, but also really good for tricky wessexes. It's their chance to get a DoE and taxpayers money throught lazy Doolittles.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 6, 2021 15:39:15 GMT
^ Yes, they want him back (maybe Charles mostly) and I think some roots of "william over charles" articles are in that. Charles understands that HM is not timeless, Anne also. I guess Charles considered working W and K and supporting H&M at his reigning (plus their kids) so basically it's 6 adults + 4 (finally 5 I guess) kids - not much but enough for working royals. And finally Charles wouldn't need Wessexes neither Anne. I am pretty sure Charles is just waiting the moment he can invite Harry back - the moment when he can decide everything himself, not obey QE's will. Will and Kate doesn't want Harry come back with Meg. I am sure they want just Harry - married w/ Pips (as kueifei said) or alone but dim and not overshadow W&K. If not - they have Wessexes and I guess they have some kind of an agreement: Ed and Sophie are both working hard, supporting W&K, and if W is really a king over Charles one day - Sophie and Ed will get their DoE no matter what and some money from Sovereign Grant. "william over charles" is good for w&k, but also really good for tricky wessexes. It's their chance to get a DoE and taxpayers money throught lazy Doolittles. Totally agree with you but I find it funny that WK hasn’t done anything in the last 10 years that’s made a positive impact. They are kind of useless and the pandemic showed that. Harry is needed back and I think Charles and TQ knows that tbh. Also the nerve of Kate treating Harry like that when he’s been so helpful to her. He’s a born royal she’s a married royal.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 6, 2021 16:45:54 GMT
Thing is, that HM is so fixated on 'doing nothing' that she is not exerting her will or preference and she's letting WK run wild and I will never get over how she condescends Harry, as if she (Kate) is the one who was born royal. Kate keeps behaving towards everybody as if she's done them a big favor by marrying into that family. She condescends Harry, a prince of the Blood, and basically behaves as if Harry is the newcomer, not her. She is likely the reason that Harry needed someone as ruthless as Meg.
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Post by india on Jan 6, 2021 16:53:13 GMT
I am glad that Harry has Meghan to give him the strength to deal with all of these hideous a$$holes.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 6, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
I admit it, I am glad to. I am not always thrilled with Meg, but I am glad he found someone so tough.
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Post by bonnie on Jan 6, 2021 17:39:47 GMT
^ Yes, they want him back (maybe Charles mostly) and I think some roots of "william over charles" articles are in that. Charles understands that HM is not timeless, Anne also. I guess Charles considered working W and K and supporting H&M at his reigning (plus their kids) so basically it's 6 adults + 4 (finally 5 I guess) kids - not much but enough for working royals. And finally Charles wouldn't need Wessexes neither Anne. I am pretty sure Charles is just waiting the moment he can invite Harry back - the moment when he can decide everything himself, not obey QE's will. Will and Kate doesn't want Harry come back with Meg. I am sure they want just Harry - married w/ Pips (as kueifei said) or alone but dim and not overshadow W&K. If not - they have Wessexes and I guess they have some kind of an agreement: Ed and Sophie are both working hard, supporting W&K, and if W is really a king over Charles one day - Sophie and Ed will get their DoE no matter what and some money from Sovereign Grant. "william over charles" is good for w&k, but also really good for tricky wessexes. It's their chance to get a DoE and taxpayers money throught lazy Doolittles. Totally agree with you but I find it funny that WK hasn’t done anything in the last 10 years that’s made a positive impact. They are kind of useless and the pandemic showed that. Harry is needed back and I think Charles and TQ knows that tbh. Also the nerve of Kate treating Harry like that when he’s been so helpful to her. He’s a born royal she’s a married royal. Yessss, dear, that makes me mad too. Harry was so pleasant to K and that's how she bring it back to him. He was pleasant to her, her sister, her family - didn't mind CC tried to set him up with Pips (I wonder how did Harry ran away from CC and Pips). Middleton's blood - that's what I can say.
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Post by india on Jan 6, 2021 19:00:35 GMT
Harry was probably completely grossed out by The Leatherette Pip Pip. And he probably knew what The Viper was all about.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 6, 2021 23:33:12 GMT
Honestly, I do not think they will be brought back unless William is gotten under FIRM control and it is clear that William is uncontrollable. If M&H could be brought back without any PR gloating, I am certain that they could be brought back and maybe Meg might be brought more into line. There is a balance, but regrettably William is determined to break Harry back into his old role. I also believe that he is someone who will not go back even if he and Meg don't work out. Either way, they have a kid together and Harry owes nothing to his brother. If I had been Charles, I would have set up a trust that releases a certain amount per year and comes with strict conditions that have to be met, or the cash is withheld. I think Harry couldn't take anything anymore and as a result, was choosing to bolt rather impulsively than put up with another round of crazy William who never lets up on being as domineering as possible. He couldn't take it, Meg offered a away out, and he bugged out. I do not blame him. If only William were brought into line instead of indulged, it might be feasible to bring Harry back. It's just William that stands in the way of any kind of reconciliation that preserves dignity on all sides and preserve's Harry's marriage.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 6, 2021 23:59:47 GMT
Thing is, that HM is so fixated on 'doing nothing' that she is not exerting her will or preference and she's letting WK run wild and I will never get over how she condescends Harry, as if she (Kate) is the one who was born royal. Kate keeps behaving towards everybody as if she's done them a big favor by marrying into that family. She condescends Harry, a prince of the Blood, and basically behaves as if Harry is the newcomer, not her. She is likely the reason that Harry needed someone as ruthless as Meg. RIGHT! Yet the firm doesn’t seem to pleased with her and the toffs dislike her and her family. Becareful what you do to others.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 7, 2021 0:07:51 GMT
Thing is, that HM was brainwashed into being an immobile monarch and the Queen Mother was also highly domineering and exerted her influence mercilessly. So as a result, HM has no real assertiveness to her nature. I also believe that there was also that carefully choreographed upbringing that did not enable HM to develop into an assertive, adult woman who would grow into an adult, assertive monarch. Her husband wasn't any help either. The worst thing that was done was to believe that Meg was somehow trash because she wasn't a "Home Counties" type that could be hyped as being 'born and bred' English enough to be good enough for a prince. ANY American would get it in the neck and I am certain that despite our so-called 'alliance' with the UK, there is still a hugely ingrained anti-American streak.
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