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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2022 3:29:21 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 3, 2023 21:07:57 GMT
I wonder how supportive the late Queen Mother was if he was smoking so much all the time. I think the late queen mother failed to make her husband maintain good habits since she was too busy drinking and partying and interfering in affairs of state. Sometimes a man smokes or has bad habits because he has a bad wife.
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2023 22:22:51 GMT
I wonder how supportive the late Queen Mother was if he was smoking so much all the time. I think the late queen mother failed to make her husband maintain good habits since she was too busy drinking and partying and interfering in affairs of state. Sometimes a man smokes or has bad habits because he has a bad wife. A lot of smokers in the family, and I just think that may have just been a way to cope, plus there was less understanding about how bad smoking was, though a lot of royal family members succumbed to lung cancer. George ("Bertie") was a highly nervous man and would have needed a lot of reassurance and yes, maybe he wasn't being supported the way he should have been?
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Post by kueifei on Nov 4, 2023 18:11:03 GMT
I think being separated from his brother and there being a rift in the BRF as a result of it triggered a lot of that stress. Edward VIII had never borne his brother ill-will and neither brother had ever been at odds. HMQM was the reason behind the overthrow of Edward VIII and it is telling that Bertie never really coveted anything that had been Edward's and as for Wallis, I wonder how much Bertie's real dislike was and how much was influenced by HMQM. Bertie was such a controllable milksop that I think much of his outrage was mainly his wife's and I resent how royal consorts have become far too domineering. I really am sick of this trend where these consorts and (many of them) nobodies are married to these princes and start pushing people around and getting away with it.
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Post by Admin on Nov 4, 2023 18:30:48 GMT
I think being separated from his brother and there being a rift in the BRF as a result of it triggered a lot of that stress. Edward VIII had never borne his brother ill-will and neither brother had ever been at odds. HMQM was the reason behind the overthrow of Edward VIII and it is telling that Bertie never really coveted anything that had been Edward's and as for Wallis, I wonder how much Bertie's real dislike was and how much was influenced by HMQM. Bertie was such a controllable milksop that I think much of his outrage was mainly his wife's and I resent how royal consorts have become far too domineering. I really am sick of this trend where these consorts and (many of them) nobodies are married to these princes and start pushing people around and getting away with it. It's a bad trend, I agree - Letizia, MT of Luxembourg, and blowsy old Maxima comes to mind, too. No, Bertie didn't seem to be the one to harbour grudges and seemed to be dominated by Cookie in a lost of respects.
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Post by Admin on Nov 4, 2023 19:55:38 GMT
Aside: I've written about it before and will do so again. Royal history is riddled with so-called spares (thinking this a more recent term, but could be mistaken?), 2nd, 3rd, 4th sons, nephews, grandsons, cousins, etc, etc, etc being called to step up. Nothing surprising there. The problem NOW (off topic) is that everybody put their money on William and treated Harry like an after-thought. William only pretends to step up and resents his position probably more than Harry ever did. And we have the situation we have now. Sigh. people.com/royals/why-king-george-vi-was-perfect-spare-brother-king-edward/Why the Last King to Be Crowned, George VI, Was the Perfect Spare to His Brother Edward VIII Read PEOPLE's exclusive excerpt from royal biographer Sally Bedell Smith's new book, George VI and Elizabeth: The Marriage That Saved the Monarchy
By Simon Perry Published on April 3, 2023 03:12PM EDT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 4, 2023 21:33:57 GMT
I think being separated from his brother and there being a rift in the BRF as a result of it triggered a lot of that stress. Edward VIII had never borne his brother ill-will and neither brother had ever been at odds. HMQM was the reason behind the overthrow of Edward VIII and it is telling that Bertie never really coveted anything that had been Edward's and as for Wallis, I wonder how much Bertie's real dislike was and how much was influenced by HMQM. Bertie was such a controllable milksop that I think much of his outrage was mainly his wife's and I resent how royal consorts have become far too domineering. I really am sick of this trend where these consorts and (many of them) nobodies are married to these princes and start pushing people around and getting away with it. It's a bad trend, I agree - Letizia, MT of Luxembourg, and blowsy old Maxima comes to mind, too. No, Bertie didn't seem to be the one to harbour grudges and seemed to be dominated by Cookie in a lost of respects. It was the same way with Hillary Clinton; we didn't elect her; we elected her husband, and I am livid that Hillary wanted to be some kind of co-president and claiming to be some big feminist while mainly reliant on her husband. I resent how consorts go from not making much of their lives to being out of control. Maxima and MT were nothing but idle rich girls until their marriages and now they fancy themselves fit to run a royal household and debate with government ministers? then there is Letizia, banning Queen Sofia from popping in on her grandchildren? At least with Diana, she had the background that showed she was raised to be a proper consort and she was certainly compliant in a great many areas where she was expected to be compliant. One of the biggest flaws of pop feminism (not to be mistaken with second or first wave feminism) is that it encourages women to forget that there are in fact places they do not belong and never will belong. Leti should not be banning her MIL from her grandchildren and should not behave as if family doesn't matter. In a lot of nonroyal families, the best families are tight knit that it isn't the same as a family where there is more individualism. Families that are clannish are already filled with people that have so much self-control that mixing in heavily isn't weird or stifling. Those women that are marrying into these families are so out of control that it is clear that they become controlling to an unhealthy fault. Leti has no right to ban her MIL from the children or from her granddaughter's swearing-in ceremony. This was unfair and this is frustrating. As for Maxima, she is worse since she keeps demanding that the public treat her as co-monarch and second, I dislike MT even worse since she refuses to stop alienating members of the royal court of Luxembourg. I am sick of this feminist bullshit being promoted when it is clear that none of these women believe in self-sufficiency. I am fed up with how Diana and Fergie set a precedent were acting like fools in public or pretending to be actual businesswomen is legit with these pampered good for nothing types. I am fed up with the way so many of these consorts' rip families apart and basically make the lives of their husbands miserable. I used to feel sorry for families caught up in revolution, but not anymore. I'm done. I am fed up with this overdone version of feminism where these women refuse to follow protocol, refuse to dress even the slightest bit nicely, and we are all supposed to put up with their condescension. Ever since the Queen Mother, royal consorts really do believe they should be running things as equals, and I swear I would sooner throw my spouse out of my life than share my professional and social positions that I have earned. I think George VI was a kind of man who was overburdened by a wife that never provided a soft place to land. HMQM would not accept her place and as a result, her husband likely got frustrated and stressed and I think the throne is not so burdensome as an uncontrollable consort. If you look at these crown princes, most of them do not look like men who are happy. Felipe looks positively geriatric; Frederick looks spaced out at best and Guillaume looks older than he is by ten or so years. So many others who married commoner spouses and mediocre careerist women do not look like men who are happy. Fact is, that Grand Duke Henri looks genial, but his wife is freeloading in France, not terrorizing his staff or courtiers or social set. In fact, Guillaume has aged a straight two decades since the time of his marriage only a little over ten years ago. Felipe is only 55 and looks at least sixty and Frederick is rumored to be messing with young women with his wife either uncaring or humiliated. Why can't they just mix with their own kind? If George had married a Danish princess or a Norwegian princess, he would have married well from a family that would be sending in a bride that would know the ways. Prince Philip did a great job as consort and he was a royal prince and he also knew the rules and ways. If 'modern' royals thought less about themselves and more about where they actually do in fact belong, it would be better for everyone. I really would not want to be married to anyone other than an equal and I think he was also burdened with the fact that his spouse would not broaden his horizons or provide him with a comfortable home life or anything that would help him relax in a way that would enable him to let his hair down.
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