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Post by kueifei on Jun 23, 2023 17:53:24 GMT
I like how they unabashedly enjoyed the good life and how they lived life to the full. Best educated, trained, prepared, and as a result, could get away with openly enjoying all the perks. Imagine how rich the tabloids would be today if in fact the Georgian royals were running everything.
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Post by Admin on Jun 23, 2023 23:20:43 GMT
I like how they unabashedly enjoyed the good life and how they lived life to the full. Best educated, trained, prepared, and as a result, could get away with openly enjoying all the perks. Imagine how rich the tabloids would be today if in fact the Georgian royals were running everything. They had STYLE back then, I agree. They had their own sleaze-bag press back then, too, though.  |
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Post by kueifei on Jun 24, 2023 3:22:07 GMT
The press was what it was and thankfully it was a lot more open and royals were less sensitive about image and didn't sue the press. They KNEW that their position had a prince and they paid that price with a sincerely good attitude. The Georgian royals didn't sue all the time and I think it is a huge benefit of extensive education and training that they were not worked up over image. Second, mistresses might have been known, but the Georgian monarchs were street smart to know that ditching a Princess Consort would NOT be stood for and second, mistresses knew that if lines were crossed, that there would be no forgiveness. Even Alice Keppel knew her place and it was NEVER anywhere near areas of Alexandra's sphere. We know that they had mistresses, but there are no records of them antagonizing the true wife. They knew how to behave, they did not let kids on the balcony, and their consorts at least kept to their place and so did their heirs.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 3:57:16 GMT
The press was what it was and thankfully it was a lot more open and royals were less sensitive about image and didn't sue the press. They KNEW that their position had a prince and they paid that price with a sincerely good attitude. The Georgian royals didn't sue all the time and I think it is a huge benefit of extensive education and training that they were not worked up over image. Second, mistresses might have been known, but the Georgian monarchs were street smart to know that ditching a Princess Consort would NOT be stood for and second, mistresses knew that if lines were crossed, that there would be no forgiveness. Even Alice Keppel knew her place and it was NEVER anywhere near areas of Alexandra's sphere. We know that they had mistresses, but there are no records of them antagonizing the true wife. They knew how to behave, they did not let kids on the balcony, and their consorts at least kept to their place and so did their heirs. The public then, too, was more open about heckling and tossing rotten fruit at Prinny (in particular) for his behaviour towards his wife, the later Queen Caroline (denied access to her own Coronation!) I'm aiming to visit some old castles and haunts on my pending research vacation. The very places where these ancestors lived, holidayed, entertained, held their audiences, and just plain lived out their lives and played their roles in history. I don't know why modern royals (well, not all, mind you, thank goodness!) scorn their ancestors pasts - I love going back in time/history and just immersing myself in that old world. Hopefully I can get some great photos and share them here on RG. I wanted to add to my earlier post, and just weigh in about how those old figures patronized artists/scientists/musicians and other figures of great merit, etc and celebrated THEIR accomplishments and contributions to both court and country. Princes and even princesses were finely educated and every aspect of their upbringings was carefully monitored. They ALL had roles and places not only in their courts, but even in their own families. Younger sons were still educated very well, and many went into the military or clergy, etc - many younger sons were called to rule if their elder brothers died before married/having any heirs. I haven't read of or personally found an account of an elder brother lording it over his younger brothers and/or sisters, as least not to the extent we see today. Of course there were exceptions, but there was a firm acknowledgment that theirs was a set pattern of life ordained by their high ranking and family (tribe?) status. They were actually brought up to have a sense of "nobless oblige" or even altruism. Royal history is downright astonishing and epic and I have to shake my head about how little people really know about some figures. The same rehashed nonsense (sometimes) about the same figures keeps getting passed down and yet, there were so many stories and truly interesting royal figures who have all been forgotten. I cannot help, knowing what I have discovered and learned over the years, feeling so demor@lized about the current crop of royals. If people knew more about their (the BRF's, in particular) ancestors, they would be stop this fawning worship over this generation of pure dunces. |
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Post by kueifei on Jun 24, 2023 4:40:01 GMT
The press was what it was and thankfully it was a lot more open and royals were less sensitive about image and didn't sue the press. They KNEW that their position had a prince and they paid that price with a sincerely good attitude. The Georgian royals didn't sue all the time and I think it is a huge benefit of extensive education and training that they were not worked up over image. Second, mistresses might have been known, but the Georgian monarchs were street smart to know that ditching a Princess Consort would NOT be stood for and second, mistresses knew that if lines were crossed, that there would be no forgiveness. Even Alice Keppel knew her place and it was NEVER anywhere near areas of Alexandra's sphere. We know that they had mistresses, but there are no records of them antagonizing the true wife. They knew how to behave, they did not let kids on the balcony, and their consorts at least kept to their place and so did their heirs. The public then, too, was more open about heckling and tossing rotten fruit at Prinny (in particular) for his behaviour towards his wife, the later Queen Caroline (denied access to her own Coronation!) I'm aiming to visit some old castles and haunts on my pending research vacation. The very places where these ancestors lived, holidayed, entertained, held their audiences, and just plain lived out their lives and played their roles in history. I don't know why modern royals (well, not all, mind you, thank goodness!) scorn their ancestors pasts - I love going back in time/history and just immersing myself in that old world. Hopefully I can get some great photos and share them here on RG. I wanted to add to my earlier post, and just weigh in about how those old figures patronized artists/scientists/musicians and other figures of great merit, etc and celebrated THEIR accomplishments and contributions to both court and country. Princes and even princesses were finely educated and every aspect of their upbringings was carefully monitored. They ALL had roles and places not only in their courts, but even in their own families. Younger sons were still educated very well, and many went into the military or clergy, etc - many younger sons were called to rule if their elder brothers died before married/having any heirs. I haven't read of or personally found an account of an elder brother lording it over his younger brothers and/or sisters, as least not to the extent we see today. Of course there were exceptions, but there was a firm acknowledgment that theirs was a set pattern of life ordained by their high ranking and family (tribe?) status. They were actually brought up to have a sense of "nobless oblige" or even altruism. Royal history is downright astonishing and epic and I have to shake my head about how little people really know about some figures. The same rehashed nonsense (sometimes) about the same figures keeps getting passed down and yet, there were so many stories and truly interesting royal figures who have all been forgotten. I cannot help, knowing what I have discovered and learned over the years, feeling so demor@lized about the current crop of royals. If people knew more about their (the BRF's, in particular) ancestors, they would be stop this fawning worship over this generation of pure dunces. If I were a royal I would spend all my time attending all the banquets, all the receptions, all of the ceremonies like State Opening of Parliament and I wouldn't miss out. The real anger I feel is how they could be living glittering lives of privilege and accomplishment and they throw it all away, all the time. Diana and Charles should have been attending all the State Openings and not missing out on them. Back then royals were educated and trained, but also drilled in that they did not belong in various areas of life and I dislike how they invade public places despite having vast grounds/gardens that were created to give them space and entertain themselves and still stay out of the way of the general public. I would be throwing and hosting grand balls and having a fun time meeting with genuinely interesting people. I would be spending all my time working to make sure that sibling rivalry was kept to a minimum and if I were a mother of heirs, I would be making sure that their education mainly involved picking the finest minds and ordering that a specific curriculum be set up and I would develop a symbiotic dynamic among the kids and quite frankly, I dislike how neither prince went to state banquets until later in life. "Spares" were treated as valuable assets and not discarded and neglected. It's not like today where they are given second rate education/training and I dislike how William was allowed to lord it over his brother. Or how Fergie was abused by the press and the palace would NOT get the dynamic worked out.
The real problem is not a lack of education, the Windsors are just not smart. Prince Philip was smart, but HME was not well trained or educated or required to step and stay outside of her safe spaces.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 12:14:21 GMT
The public then, too, was more open about heckling and tossing rotten fruit at Prinny (in particular) for his behaviour towards his wife, the later Queen Caroline (denied access to her own Coronation!) I'm aiming to visit some old castles and haunts on my pending research vacation. The very places where these ancestors lived, holidayed, entertained, held their audiences, and just plain lived out their lives and played their roles in history. I don't know why modern royals (well, not all, mind you, thank goodness!) scorn their ancestors pasts - I love going back in time/history and just immersing myself in that old world. Hopefully I can get some great photos and share them here on RG. I wanted to add to my earlier post, and just weigh in about how those old figures patronized artists/scientists/musicians and other figures of great merit, etc and celebrated THEIR accomplishments and contributions to both court and country. Princes and even princesses were finely educated and every aspect of their upbringings was carefully monitored. They ALL had roles and places not only in their courts, but even in their own families. Younger sons were still educated very well, and many went into the military or clergy, etc - many younger sons were called to rule if their elder brothers died before married/having any heirs. I haven't read of or personally found an account of an elder brother lording it over his younger brothers and/or sisters, as least not to the extent we see today. Of course there were exceptions, but there was a firm acknowledgment that theirs was a set pattern of life ordained by their high ranking and family (tribe?) status. They were actually brought up to have a sense of "nobless oblige" or even altruism. Royal history is downright astonishing and epic and I have to shake my head about how little people really know about some figures. The same rehashed nonsense (sometimes) about the same figures keeps getting passed down and yet, there were so many stories and truly interesting royal figures who have all been forgotten. I cannot help, knowing what I have discovered and learned over the years, feeling so demor@lized about the current crop of royals. If people knew more about their (the BRF's, in particular) ancestors, they would be stop this fawning worship over this generation of pure dunces. If I were a royal I would spend all my time attending all the banquets, all the receptions, all of the ceremonies like State Opening of Parliament and I wouldn't miss out. The real anger I feel is how they could be living glittering lives of privilege and accomplishment and they throw it all away, all the time. Diana and Charles should have been attending all the State Openings and not missing out on them. Back then royals were educated and trained, but also drilled in that they did not belong in various areas of life and I dislike how they invade public places despite having vast grounds/gardens that were created to give them space and entertain themselves and still stay out of the way of the general public. I would be throwing and hosting grand balls and having a fun time meeting with genuinely interesting people. I would be spending all my time working to make sure that sibling rivalry was kept to a minimum and if I were a mother of heirs, I would be making sure that their education mainly involved picking the finest minds and ordering that a specific curriculum be set up and I would develop a symbiotic dynamic among the kids and quite frankly, I dislike how neither prince went to state banquets until later in life. "Spares" were treated as valuable assets and not discarded and neglected. It's not like today where they are given second rate education/training and I dislike how William was allowed to lord it over his brother. Or how Fergie was abused by the press and the palace would NOT get the dynamic worked out.
The real problem is not a lack of education, the Windsors are just not smart. Prince Philip was smart, but HME was not well trained or educated or required to step and stay outside of her safe spaces.
No, this current crop is just not bright at all and shows little to no real regard or passion for learning for it's own sake. Mixing with the Spencers was going to drag down the potential of any heirs because there has never been any known intellectual being or truly remarkable person in that clan. Plus, children are said to get their intelligence from their mothers. Smart Mom, smart kids.  |
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Post by kueifei on Jun 24, 2023 14:48:49 GMT
If I were a royal I would spend all my time attending all the banquets, all the receptions, all of the ceremonies like State Opening of Parliament and I wouldn't miss out. The real anger I feel is how they could be living glittering lives of privilege and accomplishment and they throw it all away, all the time. Diana and Charles should have been attending all the State Openings and not missing out on them. Back then royals were educated and trained, but also drilled in that they did not belong in various areas of life and I dislike how they invade public places despite having vast grounds/gardens that were created to give them space and entertain themselves and still stay out of the way of the general public. I would be throwing and hosting grand balls and having a fun time meeting with genuinely interesting people. I would be spending all my time working to make sure that sibling rivalry was kept to a minimum and if I were a mother of heirs, I would be making sure that their education mainly involved picking the finest minds and ordering that a specific curriculum be set up and I would develop a symbiotic dynamic among the kids and quite frankly, I dislike how neither prince went to state banquets until later in life. "Spares" were treated as valuable assets and not discarded and neglected. It's not like today where they are given second rate education/training and I dislike how William was allowed to lord it over his brother. Or how Fergie was abused by the press and the palace would NOT get the dynamic worked out.
The real problem is not a lack of education, the Windsors are just not smart. Prince Philip was smart, but HME was not well trained or educated or required to step and stay outside of her safe spaces.
No, this current crop is just not bright at all and shows little to no real regard or passion for learning for it's own sake. Mixing with the Spencers was going to drag down the potential of any heirs because there has never been any known intellectual being or truly remarkable person in that clan. Plus, children are said to get their intelligence from their mothers. Smart Mom, smart kids.
So basically HME not getting any semblance of education and training broke that cycle. This is what happens when you marry a nobody, like "Bertie" did Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 15:07:45 GMT
No, this current crop is just not bright at all and shows little to no real regard or passion for learning for it's own sake. Mixing with the Spencers was going to drag down the potential of any heirs because there has never been any known intellectual being or truly remarkable person in that clan. Plus, children are said to get their intelligence from their mothers. Smart Mom, smart kids. So basically HME not getting any semblance of education and training broke that cycle. This is what happens when you marry a nobody, like "Bertie" did Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.
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Post by kueifei on Jun 25, 2023 13:48:29 GMT
I wish people would have seen royalty different in William's childhood; for some reason it became okay for royals to cross lines and go into places they do not belong. It's like "Titanic" where Rose was partying in third class without realizing that the third class people partied hard because they were always overworked and for Rose this was a way of life she never really comprehended. Royals should not be mixing with staff, they should not be pretending to be normal uni students while disrupting the usual flow of student life with their heavily guarded presence, and they should not be pretending that they have a right to a say in their own profession. William as a young boy should have been raised with the knowledge that getting career advice was pointless since his profession was mapped out and it is clear that neither prince should have been partying in clubs that even if they were exclusive to the general public, they were still putting themselves at a risk of running into types who could harm them. Royals refuse to stay where they belong and that is in their palaces and on extensive grounds. IF I had all that I would be making the most of my privileged setting and would be happy to stay out of the way. Before the tyranny of QME there was a complete unquestioning acceptance of the best education possible and royals didn't play at being middle class. There was a difference, but royals stayed out of the way. After Edward VIII was overthrown and driven out, it is clear that education and training became second to PR and regrettably it has stayed that way. I wish the Georgian royals were reigning. They reigned with a love of life and they loved their role and maybe even their people and their people picked up on all of this, that is why their reigns were so popular and so effective. Even Queen Victoria wasn't as well educated, but she did learn Hindi and did all she could to shore up her own limitations. Queen Victoria did not put up a front of being a regular middle class housewife.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 15:23:36 GMT
I wish people would have seen royalty different in William's childhood; for some reason it became okay for royals to cross lines and go into places they do not belong. It's like "Titanic" where Rose was partying in third class without realizing that the third class people partied hard because they were always overworked and for Rose this was a way of life she never really comprehended. Royals should not be mixing with staff, they should not be pretending to be normal uni students while disrupting the usual flow of student life with their heavily guarded presence, and they should not be pretending that they have a right to a say in their own profession. William as a young boy should have been raised with the knowledge that getting career advice was pointless since his profession was mapped out and it is clear that neither prince should have been partying in clubs that even if they were exclusive to the general public, they were still putting themselves at a risk of running into types who could harm them. Royals refuse to stay where they belong and that is in their palaces and on extensive grounds. IF I had all that I would be making the most of my privileged setting and would be happy to stay out of the way. Before the tyranny of QME there was a complete unquestioning acceptance of the best education possible and royals didn't play at being middle class. There was a difference, but royals stayed out of the way. After Edward VIII was overthrown and driven out, it is clear that education and training became second to PR and regrettably it has stayed that way. I wish the Georgian royals were reigning. They reigned with a love of life and they loved their role and maybe even their people and their people picked up on all of this, that is why their reigns were so popular and so effective. Even Queen Victoria wasn't as well educated, but she did learn Hindi and did all she could to shore up her own limitations. Queen Victoria did not put up a front of being a regular middle class housewife. Essentially they are still Georgians, but a watered down, commoner infused hybrid. lol. Sorry. Back they, royalty married only royalty and the biggest mistake was having Charles pick a Spencer (sorry, Diana, it's your family mostly) to have heirs with. Look at the result - EACH son inherited the Spencers' most annoying but long-standing family characteristics: an inflated sense of their own importance, untrustworthiness, disloyalty, and extreme self-centredness. There is no long-standing sense of REAL altruism and certainly no intellectual or schloarly giants in that entire clan, and this would be going back generations. A load of traitors, wife-beaters, drunks and people who even turned on their own family when they backed the "wrong" side. Screaming hypocrites, too. Yes, those wicked Georgians sure had their sense of fun and all, and they certainly paid a certain cost for it, but none would have betrayed the family or the system for anything. |
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Post by kueifei on Jun 25, 2023 15:37:17 GMT
I wish people would have seen royalty different in William's childhood; for some reason it became okay for royals to cross lines and go into places they do not belong. It's like "Titanic" where Rose was partying in third class without realizing that the third class people partied hard because they were always overworked and for Rose this was a way of life she never really comprehended. Royals should not be mixing with staff, they should not be pretending to be normal uni students while disrupting the usual flow of student life with their heavily guarded presence, and they should not be pretending that they have a right to a say in their own profession. William as a young boy should have been raised with the knowledge that getting career advice was pointless since his profession was mapped out and it is clear that neither prince should have been partying in clubs that even if they were exclusive to the general public, they were still putting themselves at a risk of running into types who could harm them. Royals refuse to stay where they belong and that is in their palaces and on extensive grounds. IF I had all that I would be making the most of my privileged setting and would be happy to stay out of the way. Before the tyranny of QME there was a complete unquestioning acceptance of the best education possible and royals didn't play at being middle class. There was a difference, but royals stayed out of the way. After Edward VIII was overthrown and driven out, it is clear that education and training became second to PR and regrettably it has stayed that way. I wish the Georgian royals were reigning. They reigned with a love of life and they loved their role and maybe even their people and their people picked up on all of this, that is why their reigns were so popular and so effective. Even Queen Victoria wasn't as well educated, but she did learn Hindi and did all she could to shore up her own limitations. Queen Victoria did not put up a front of being a regular middle class housewife. Essentially they are still Georgians, but a watered down, commoner infused hybrid. lol. Sorry. Back they, royalty married only royalty and the biggest mistake was having Charles pick a Spencer (sorry, Diana, it's your family mostly) to have heirs with. Look at the result - EACH son inherited the Spencers' most annoying but long-standing family characteristics: an inflated sense of their own importance, untrustworthiness, disloyalty, and extreme self-centredness. There is no long-standing sense of REAL altruism and certainly no intellectual or scholarly giants in that entire clan, and this would be going back generations. A load of traitors, wife-beaters, drunks and people who even turned on their own family when they backed the "wrong" side. Screaming hypocrites, too. Yes, those wicked Georgians sure had their sense of fun and all, and they certainly paid a certain cost for it, but none would have betrayed the family or the system for anything. QME wanted Diana, along with Lady Fermoy and go figure, QME was instrumental in the destruction of the natural line of succession and instrumental in what will likely be the end of the monarchical way of life. The biggest problem that came from choosing Diana was the belief that she would be too stupid to 'make trouble,' but go figure, Diana was too stupid to see that there were reasons that things were done the way they were and was too stupid to accept that her husband was not like regular men (not just in regards to mor@lity) and was too stupid to see the nuances of human personalities, plus her own flaws. I do not believe that the Georgian monarchs or their heirs were seeking out stupid people and I dislike how the entire Windsor family wouldn't just pursue and marry their own kind. If HME had not married a prince, it would have likely been a brainless idiot with no intellectual capacity at all and the smart men avoided courting her. Then there is the fact that Charles was not wiling to man up and start maintaining a position as a man of the world instead of playing at being a simple country squire. He should NEVER have decided on someone with limited experiences or interests and her undeveloped personality concealed a lot of nasty surprises. Back then like married like and second, the princesses knew that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. Then there is the fact that the royals didn't want to mess with any 'outsiders' outside of staff and it worked a million times better. Prince Philip was a great addition, but he was far too enthralled with celebrity to see that there were other ways of promoting the BRF without bringing in the cameras. He was boneheaded not to see that celebrity was the wrong way to go about it. If Philip had brought in Nobel Prizewinners or brought in industry titans, or intelligent economists, that would have brought more respect and substance rather than media coverage that has not done any good to the reputations of the BRF. Then there is the fact that they do not even respect themselves and the Georgians knew their place and did not show up dressed in cheap frocks or stupid things that made them look cheap. They gave full value.
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