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Post by Admin on May 11, 2022 13:22:24 GMT
www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/04/a-royal-history-of-scandals27 April 2022
Trouble in the House of Windsor
New works by the journalists Tina Brown and Robert Hardman question whether the monarchy can survive without radical reform.
By Richard J EvansAs we approach the Platinum Jubilee, celebrating the Queen’s unprecedented 70 years on the throne, we face the prospect of drowning under a flood of new books published to mark the occasion. Among the earliest in the field are the two under review. Apart from their price, their length, and the fact that they both depend heavily on interviews (attributed and unattributed) with members of the royal household, politicians, and people in the know, they could hardly be more different from one another.
Queen of Our Times is Robert Hardman’s third book about the Queen, following Our Queen (2012) and Queen of the World (2018), both linked to television films of the same name. An experienced commentator for the BBC on royal occasions, Hardman is a former royal correspondent for the Daily Telegraph and now writes for the Daily Mail. He knows more than most about the royal family, and has interviewed pretty well every member of it except the Queen herself.
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Post by caseyanne on May 11, 2022 20:09:17 GMT
I figure once QE is gone so is the monarchy. Chucky is a wimp, Billy is a nutter and Hapless is useless.
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Post by kueifei on May 11, 2022 22:22:11 GMT
I figure once QE is gone so is the monarchy. Chucky is a wimp, Billy is a nutter and Hapless is useless.
Yep. William is more feral than nutter and the politicians and aristocracy would sooner burn the nation to the ground than have Meg reign as Queen Controller. There is no place for it anymore and no one has any energy for shouldering people who refuse to stand on their own two feet. Camilla being crowned Queen Consort will finish it all off. There is no way that William will end up being supported to the throne and the system has served its purpose. Politicians do more of the work and royals failed to hold up their end of the social contract.
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Post by caseyanne on May 12, 2022 4:16:34 GMT
Not one person in this family is suitable or capable of being the next monarch. They are either lazy, stupid or grabbers.
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Post by kueifei on May 15, 2022 20:40:44 GMT
Once Camilla sits on that throne as Queen Consort and anointed with holy oil and wearing the crown of Queen Consort, there is just no fixing it. Then everyone will know that the next Queen Consort will in fact be the groupie turned concubine turned mistress turned wife and that the entire WORLD has seen a Queen Consort full frontal. Second, most importantly, the incoming Princess of Wales/soon Queen Consort is someone who has no real relationship with the Church and God and I cannot imagine the Archbishop of Canterbury being able to anoint such a one with the sacred holy oil of monarchs. Not that and retain religious credibility. There is not one reason for the royals to be there since none of them even make the most basic of sacrifices.
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2022 13:01:41 GMT
www.celebitchy.com/787579/david_dimbleby_slams_the_bbc_for_not_questioning_the_power_of_the_monarchy/David Dimbleby slams the BBC for not questioning the power of the monarchy
October 14, 2022
By Kaiser King Charles III, Royals
One of the UK’s most revered broadcasters has revealed the level of control exerted by the British Royal Family over broadcasters’ rights for the Queen’s funeral. David Dimbleby, one of the BBC’s presenters for the huge service last month, told Henley Book Festival, that as he broadcast from St George’s Chapel in Windsor – where the Queen was buried in the final ceremony of the day – the BBC was receiving emails “almost simultaneously” from palace officials, dictating which clips of footage could not be shown in any subsequent broadcast.
During the live broadcast from St George’s chapel, the team weren’t under “any injunctions”, but were simply told “to be courteous and not show the King in floods of tears or dwell on it”.
Dimbleby told the Festival: “Prince George touching his nose, don’t show it. And it went on. Beatrice and Eugenie leaving St George’s, not to be shown. There was this complete list of things that no broadcaster could show because the copyright belongs to Buckingham Palace. I think that’s wrong, just wrong. It’s just interesting how tightly controlled monarchy is.”
Dimbleby also voiced his disapproval for the way the BBC tip-toes around the British monarchy, and refuses to tackle the more sensitive topics of money, privilege and deference. He said the BBC has an “old sore about the monarchy” and will “not go near” controversial topics. Such an opinion is nothing new, but this time it comes from David Dimbleby, for decades the BBC’s face and voice on state occasions. He is also the son of the late Richard Dimbleby, who commentated on the Queen’s coronation in 1953.
Dimbleby, now retired, said the BBC “would not go near things like the power that the palace has to change taxation legislation” or whether it was right for the Duchy of Cornwall not to pay capital gains tax.
“All those issues are never touched by the BBC because I think they feel their viewers will not like it — a visceral feeling. I think it is wrong and these things should be properly examined. It is not discourteous to question, it is not rude, it is important, because the way we are governed is important and the way our constitution works is important.”
[From The Independent & Deadline]
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2022 13:04:39 GMT
www.celebitchy.com/787579/david_dimbleby_slams_the_bbc_for_not_questioning_the_power_of_the_monarchy/ Some comments: Snuffles says: October 14, 2022 at 7:43 am This is just a test run. Soon they will be burying all kinds of news that is “unflattering” to the royal family and conservatives. King Charles is turning into King Jong-Un. UK will become another Hermit Kingdom that no one wants to associate with. Reply Dee says: October 14, 2022 at 8:07 am Lol they already do all that now. When Louis had his  , there was a moratorium on calling it a or even using that word when talking about it. All of a sudden, there were all these thinkpieces about how kids acting out is a sign of intelligence, how all mothers go through it, but scant mention of why that was suddenly a topic of discussion at that time. It was…curious. I think, at certain moments when there is a big “royal event” going on and international media is interested, the “value” of royal coverage goes up and so the BBC then goes overboard to ensure near-exclusive access. So we get strange decisions like this. They need to just get some kind of set policy down so they don’t come off looking like state propaganda Reply equality says: October 14, 2022 at 7:  am I don’t see a problem with asking that some things be cut out. George is a child and Eugenie is a private citizen who pays her own way. The bigger question is why there are never probes into “money, privilege and deference”. Reply Becks1 says: October 14, 2022 at 7:51 am It’s not that they “asked,” its that the BBC was “told.” That’s a fundamental difference in my opinion. Reply Woke says: October 14, 2022 at 7:45 am I think most Brits love the status quo. The portion of the British population that want to see those changes is truly small. An institution that receives public funding but is basically covered like a soap opera lol. Never an in depth reporting on what they actually do. Reply Becks1 says: October 14, 2022 at 7:50 am Honestly, if the Crown wants to own the footage, then the Crown needs to pay for the funeral. The Crown is clearly invested in preserving the image of the Royal Family as “above” mere mortals – which makes sense, this whole thing falls apart if people realize that George is a 9 year old kid who might need to scratch his nose during a funeral service, or that charles is a son who might mourn his mother, or that someone had to leave for whatever reason. It was a funeral. There was nothing that happened that would bring down the monarchy in itself, nothing that was embarrassing for the royals (outside of their treatment of H&M) etc. And dimbleby is absolutely right that the BBC should be talking about the monarchy in more objective terms. It’s not disrespectful to say “well is this how it should be?” or “does the audience know about this?” Reply Woke says: October 14, 2022 at 7:59 am My thing is is there truly an appeal for reporting about that family in more objective terms ? I’m not so sure. Reply Becks1 says: October 14, 2022 at 8:09 am I think there’s more of an appeal than some might realize. I think allowing the royals to control their own narrative for decades has been detrimental and the press should be fair and objective and take some of that narrative back. I’m not saying the BBC needs to start slamming the royals on a regular basis, but what’s wrong with a story about how much control the royals have over the funeral footage, even though the government paid for it? What’s wrong with a story about how the Duchy doesn’t pay capital gain taxes? Give people a more complete picture and then let them decide if they’re okay with the royal family or if they want changes. ML says: October 14, 2022 at 8:39 am Okay, in the NLs King WA was booed a couple of times in public recently. He was asked about it, and did a pretty good job of stating that it doesn’t bother him that much, since he sees it as directed at his function and not his person so to speak. I think showing some of the human parts benefits how you see a RF. Most people want to relate to public figures nowadays, not view them from afar. Mslove says: October 14, 2022 at 7:54 am Is he saying the peasants think it’s rude to question the many ways the monarchy is cheating it’s subjects? The biggest racket on the planet is on Salt Island, y’all. Reply ML says: October 14, 2022 at 7:57 am Probably some of this is due to the invisible contract. Obviously, the blurred line between covering the royal family as a family vs a firm has also had an impact. It will be interesting to see what happens now that the RF is losing popularity and the BBC’s fawning coverage is being made me re transparent. Reply Snuffles says: October 14, 2022 at 8:02 am Charles is aiming to completely control the royal family (particularly his and Camilla’s) image in the UK. Hell, he’s trying to extend it beyond the UK too but his reach doesn’t go that far. It’s only been a month and he’s already over reaching. Reply ML says: October 14, 2022 at 8:16 am Well, @snuffles, to be fair to the t’ird, his mummy did it. Unfortunately for him, mummy isn’t there anymore.
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2022 13:09:22 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 15, 2022 19:04:33 GMT
There is no future; this is not just anti-monarchist talk, it is a concrete reality. The past three or so generations of royals have insisted on living like trust fund kids, stereotypical trust fund kids, but it's not their money and it is not family money, it is taxpayer money. All of them have refused to dedicate themselves to getting proper training and preparation for a life of civic duty and public service and the worst part is, they don't even want to try. There are young adults who do this all the time and would LOVE to volunteer and help charities move up in terms of prestige and prominence and these idiots do not even want to try anymore. CP Victoria is useless, the future Queens of Spain and Belgium and Netherlands are a joke, and the current generation does not even want to try to behave well or step up. William insists on living like a deranged version of aristocrat while on the taxpayer dime and the consorts are even worse. Prince Daniel is the best of them, but he is clearly terribly ill and it is clear that he was treated like dirt when he was the boyfriend of Victoria. I would NEVER have waited so long, so publicly.
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Post by Admin on Oct 15, 2022 19:34:39 GMT
There is no future; this is not just anti-monarchist talk, it is a concrete reality. The past three or so generations of royals have insisted on living like trust fund kids, stereotypical trust fund kids, but it's not their money and it is not family money, it is taxpayer money. All of them have refused to dedicate themselves to getting proper training and preparation for a life of civic duty and public service and the worst part is, they don't even want to try. There are young adults who do this all the time and would LOVE to volunteer and help charities move up in terms of prestige and prominence and these idiots do not even want to try anymore. CP Victoria is useless, the future Queens of Spain and Belgium and Netherlands are a joke, and the current generation does not even want to try to behave well or step up. William insists on living like a deranged version of aristocrat while on the taxpayer dime and the consorts are even worse. Prince Daniel is the best of them, but he is clearly terribly ill and it is clear that he was treated like dirt when he was the boyfriend of Victoria. I would NEVER have waited so long, so publicly. The future Queen of the Belgians is a good, intelligent young woman, too. She and her siblings were brought up very well. royalcentral.co.uk/europe/prince-gabriel-of-belgium-gives-first-public-speech-182447/ |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 30, 2022 0:26:15 GMT
There is no future; this is not just anti-monarchist talk, it is a concrete reality. The past three or so generations of royals have insisted on living like trust fund kids, stereotypical trust fund kids, but it's not their money and it is not family money, it is taxpayer money. All of them have refused to dedicate themselves to getting proper training and preparation for a life of civic duty and public service and the worst part is, they don't even want to try. There are young adults who do this all the time and would LOVE to volunteer and help charities move up in terms of prestige and prominence and these idiots do not even want to try anymore. CP Victoria is useless, the future Queens of Spain and Belgium and Netherlands are a joke, and the current generation does not even want to try to behave well or step up. William insists on living like a deranged version of aristocrat while on the taxpayer dime and the consorts are even worse. Prince Daniel is the best of them, but he is clearly terribly ill and it is clear that he was treated like dirt when he was the boyfriend of Victoria. I would NEVER have waited so long, so publicly. The future Queen of the Belgians is a good, intelligent young woman, too. She and her siblings were brought up very well. royalcentral.co.uk/europe/prince-gabriel-of-belgium-gives-first-public-speech-182447/
Very nice, but that isn't helping her nation right now. I'm feeling resentful because of my own struggles, but because it's as if royals get all the kudos and are exempt from having to prove themselves. They at eighteen have people cheering their existence while others slave their guts out and get no recognition. Just more burdens and more responsibilities and MAYBE a piece of cheap scrap metal for their many years of hard work and genuine self sacrifice.
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Post by Admin on Oct 30, 2022 0:36:58 GMT
Very nice, but that isn't helping her nation right now. I'm feeling resentful because of my own struggles, but because it's as if royals get all the kudos and are exempt from having to prove themselves. They at eighteen have people cheering their existence while others slave their guts out and get no recognition. Just more burdens and more responsibilities and MAYBE a piece of cheap scrap metal for their many years of hard work and genuine self sacrifice.
I totally get it. I'm burned out and resentful as I always feel I'm carrying other people's weight in addition to my own job and wondering why my efforts arent more recognized. |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 30, 2022 1:05:02 GMT
Very nice, but that isn't helping her nation right now. I'm feeling resentful because of my own struggles, but because it's as if royals get all the kudos and are exempt from having to prove themselves. They at eighteen have people cheering their existence while others slave their guts out and get no recognition. Just more burdens and more responsibilities and MAYBE a piece of cheap scrap metal for their many years of hard work and genuine self sacrifice.
I totally get it. I'm burned out and resentful as I always feel I'm carrying other people's weight in addition to my own job and wondering why my efforts arent more recognized.
I recognize them on this forum.
As for the recent generation of heirs/heiresses I believe that they are a joke. All that adulation and they haven't been made to prove their worth. So fed up. Like Maria Olympia of Greece getting parents telling her how proud they are of her as if THEY were the ones slaving their guts out in a hospital.
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Post by Admin on Oct 30, 2022 1:44:08 GMT
I totally get it. I'm burned out and resentful as I always feel I'm carrying other people's weight in addition to my own job and wondering why my efforts arent more recognized. I recognize them on this forum.
As for the recent generation of heirs/heiresses I believe that they are a joke. All that adulation and they haven't been made to prove their worth. So fed up. Like Maria Olympia of Greece getting parents telling her how proud they are of her as if THEY were the ones slaving their guts out in a hospital.
I appreciate that. Thank you!!! I see the efforts of posters like you who always have interesting perspectives to relate, so that keeps me going. The burnout comes from the world in general. What is MO of Greece up to now? www.instagram.com/olympiagreece/?hl=enGoodness! http://instagram.com/p/CeT8XGoMocp |
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Post by kueifei on Nov 29, 2022 0:52:32 GMT
I recognize them on this forum.
As for the recent generation of heirs/heiresses I believe that they are a joke. All that adulation and they haven't been made to prove their worth. So fed up. Like Maria Olympia of Greece getting parents telling her how proud they are of her as if THEY were the ones slaving their guts out in a hospital.
I appreciate that. Thank you!!! I see the efforts of posters like you who always have interesting perspectives to relate, so that keeps me going. The burnout comes from the world in general. What is MO of Greece up to now? www.instagram.com/olympiagreece/?hl=enGoodness! http://instagr.am/p/CeT8XGoMocp
Monarchy won't have a future; no one wants to carry them anymore and they prefer to put off full time work as much as possible; it's not their money, it is taxpayer money and none of them are willing to settle in and where a person comes from is no longer cause for celebration. It's becoming non-U to brag about coming from money or coming from privilege. After a certain age a person is supposed to grow out of that and make much of their lives. Diana promoted monarchy and it was chic to be thrilled over how a young woman came from so much, like Diana was. Diana was lauded for coming from money, being young, and being beautiful. Yet now, if she had still lived, she would be passe and no one would have energy for her antics or who knows what else. Monarchical supporters support monarchy because (in my view) they like to live out such fantasies of being part of their privileged lives and Diana was maestro at convincing women that they were enjoying her life just as much as she was. There were women who cooed over her like Diana was THEIR daughter, or friend, or sister and it was pure bupkis. My own mother for some reason defended Diana all the time and I was side-eyeing her as we watched the funeral, wondering why my mom was crying about this. Diana was not the friend or sister of her fans and her fans were not living her life with her. She was the one living it, not them. Diana was the one married to a crown prince, not them. Diana was the one wearing couture and jewels, not them.
Monarchy has no future because royals do not get education, training, and then prefer to work, they are partying on taxes at clubs and running with third-rate types. A great many of them are nothing but trouble and prefer to mooch and now that almost every crown prince is in fact married to a loser, none of them will hold their thrones easily. I think that during this pandemic, however hard, politicians are going to have to continue to make hard choices even if it means removing more royals from their thrones. They are not contributing and they are not even pretending to remember that there isn't a pandemic. They keep talking about themselves and what they want and people are just supposed to shoulder them for decades, waiting for them to deign to make a contribution. Realistically, politicians will have to make a choice, to shoulder the royals or shoulder the nation and the politicians will choose to shoulder the nation. The Greeks did not overthrow the monarchy, the monarchy overthrew the elected prime minister and that triggered a backlash that resulted in the Junta and all that was on Constantine. After all that Constantine fled instead of fighting the fascists. He left the Greek nation to suffer. So really, why do the Greek royals keep clinging?
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Post by Admin on Nov 29, 2022 2:02:54 GMT
Monarchy won't have a future; no one wants to carry them anymore and they prefer to put off full time work as much as possible; it's not their money, it is taxpayer money and none of them are willing to settle in and where a person comes from is no longer cause for celebration. It's becoming non-U to brag about coming from money or coming from privilege. After a certain age a person is supposed to grow out of that and make much of their lives. Diana promoted monarchy and it was chic to be thrilled over how a young woman came from so much, like Diana was. Diana was lauded for coming from money, being young, and being beautiful. Yet now, if she had still lived, she would be passe and no one would have energy for her antics or who knows what else. Monarchical supporters support monarchy because (in my view) they like to live out such fantasies of being part of their privileged lives and Diana was maestro at convincing women that they were enjoying her life just as much as she was. There were women who cooed over her like Diana was THEIR daughter, or friend, or sister and it was pure bupkis. My own mother for some reason defended Diana all the time and I was side-eyeing her as we watched the funeral, wondering why my mom was crying about this. Diana was not the friend or sister of her fans and her fans were not living her life with her. She was the one living it, not them. Diana was the one married to a crown prince, not them. Diana was the one wearing couture and jewels, not them.
Monarchy has no future because royals do not get education, training, and then prefer to work, they are partying on taxes at clubs and running with third-rate types. A great many of them are nothing but trouble and prefer to mooch and now that almost every crown prince is in fact married to a loser, none of them will hold their thrones easily. I think that during this pandemic, however hard, politicians are going to have to continue to make hard choices even if it means removing more royals from their thrones. They are not contributing and they are not even pretending to remember that there isn't a pandemic. They keep talking about themselves and what they want and people are just supposed to shoulder them for decades, waiting for them to deign to make a contribution. Realistically, politicians will have to make a choice, to shoulder the royals or shoulder the nation and the politicians will choose to shoulder the nation. The Greeks did not overthrow the monarchy, the monarchy overthrew the elected prime minister and that triggered a backlash that resulted in the Junta and all that was on Constantine. After all that Constantine fled instead of fighting the fascists. He left the Greek nation to suffer. So really, why do the Greek royals keep clinging?
Great commentary, as usual. It's hard to keep up with you, KF.  I think the public more or less just goes along with the narrative set by the media and what is commonly known about the royals - most wouldn't even care about the likes of a MO even if her antics were explained to them in detail. In my family, it's old history books and royal biographies that get read and talked about, and not just the standard Morton, Kelley, or Junor, etc, "tomes". There's no fawning worship as we (My Mom and I) can be critical and have healthy back and forth banter about royals and almost any other topic. It's a healthy back and forth engagement, and I welcome someone I can chat with. I miss my email chats with "romilly" as she always was there to back me up and was a kind and funny lady to boot. Not too many people in this world want to talk about royal matters, and even fewer seem to know or what to discuss what really could be going on. I find these lightweight current day royals to be very disappointing and shallow as hell - my course of study right now is researching a common ancestor of most of them. Literally - you wouldn't believe what I have unearthed about past royals and how I find the present crop to be especially maddening, because they have never suffered a whit yet and seem to expect so much for doing little or next to squat for others. And trust me, lay people think Diana had the tragic story? This ancestor had a story that, at least in my estimation, was a hundred times WORSE. People really have NO idea - I literally feel the comparison every day as I continue with my research yet feel I cannot set them straight. "Gee, what I could tell you!" |
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Post by kueifei on Nov 29, 2022 2:53:48 GMT
Many of them have the mindset of snotty suburbanites and are clearly badly raised. Amalia whining about 'having' to move from a suburban palace to a city palace and do not get me started about how the dethroned dynasties are trying to come back to their former status. They are supposed to be better, have better, do better, and they aren't. William is drifting along, Kate is about to make a fool of herself at a second Christmas concert, and she will be continuing to not see her marriage dissolving. The worst thing, is that all of this is a farce. Maxima prefers not to present herself well anymore and her being barefoot is just so wrong. Not in a public photograph. I believe that their refusal to behave with dignity is something that they are going to regret. I sincerely hope that they continue to make fools of themselves.
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton