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Post by kueifei on Aug 19, 2022 4:41:01 GMT
I bought and read the book and this is the single most important and informative book in recent times. While I dislike how Kate is still portrayed overly positive, I think there comes a point when people have to accept that Meg isn't some victim and throughout many turns in her life she chose the wrong ones. Fact is, that Harry was rightly portrayed as someone who wanted to leave a long time ago and it rightly pointed out that Harry was the scapegoat spare and the BRF should have not allowed that to develop. Harry should not be treated as either disposable or someone who should be the fall guy to make the FFK look perfect and ideal. If the BRF didn't do that, there is no way that Harry would want out and I think that had Fergie not been abused by the press and left unprotected by the palace, that she might have not made one mess after another. Harry was vulnerable and struggling to cope with a preassigned role in his out of control family as the family scapegoat/party prince/ne'er do well perpetual failure. That should not be done and second, if the palace would stop leaving 'spares' (I really hate that word) to drift and fend for themselves, it would be better. Regrettably, HM is such a pathetically passive failure that she refuses to set something up for her 'spares' to step into.
In the book it mentions how HM wanted to bring Harry and Meg under more supervision, but this should have been done long before Harry even met Meg. If Harry had been set up sooner, he wouldn't have floundered. As for Meg being a go-getter, that should have been nurtured. Kate really has nothing to say on camera and she does no speeches now, so why shouldn't Meg speak up if she has anything to contribute? I don't see why Meg's eagerness to do projects is bad and Meg had barely been in her new role before she was getting blasted regularly and Meg clearly wanted to enjoy luxury just like Kate has throughout her dating years with William and her subsequent marriage. What fully condemns her in my view is how she maltreats her father and does not let up on him. Then she leaks that letter that was meant to be leaked and she sues a newspaper for publishing a letter she let slip into their hands. I also wish people would stop pretending that the BRF isn't flush with cash. Biographers really do not at all just be upfront about this for some reason.
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Post by Admin on Aug 19, 2022 12:42:56 GMT
I bought and read the book and this is the single most important and informative book in recent times. While I dislike how Kate is still portrayed overly positive, I think there comes a point when people have to accept that Meg isn't some victim and throughout many turns in her life she chose the wrong ones. Fact is, that Harry was rightly portrayed as someone who wanted to leave a long time ago and it rightly pointed out that Harry was the scapegoat spare and the BRF should have not allowed that to develop. Harry should not be treated as either disposable or someone who should be the fall guy to make the FFK look perfect and ideal. If the BRF didn't do that, there is no way that Harry would want out and I think that had Fergie not been abused by the press and left unprotected by the palace, that she might have not made one mess after another. Harry was vulnerable and struggling to cope with a preassigned role in his out of control family as the family scapegoat/party prince/ne'er do well perpetual failure. That should not be done and second, if the palace would stop leaving 'spares' (I really hate that word) to drift and fend for themselves, it would be better. Regrettably, HM is such a pathetically passive failure that she refuses to set something up for her 'spares' to step into. In the book it mentions how HM wanted to bring Harry and Meg under more supervision, but this should have been done long before Harry even met Meg. If Harry had been set up sooner, he wouldn't have floundered. As for Meg being a go-getter, that should have been nurtured. Kate really has nothing to say on camera and she does no speeches now, so why shouldn't Meg speak up if she has anything to contribute? I don't see why Meg's eagerness to do projects is bad and Meg had barely been in her new role before she was getting blasted regularly and Meg clearly wanted to enjoy luxury just like Kate has throughout her dating years with William and her subsequent marriage. What fully condemns her in my view is how she maltreats her father and does not let up on him. Then she leaks that letter that was meant to be leaked and she sues a newspaper for publishing a letter she let slip into their hands. I also wish people would stop pretending that the BRF isn't flush with cash. Biographers really do not at all just be upfront about this for some reason. Thank you for commenting - and you are right, Meghan is not a victim. None of them are real victims, save for Harry IN PART, as he has clearly been bullied out of his homeland, life, and now royal position. And for what? Attacks and abuse from some shoddy outsider family of NO RELEVANCE. Royal families typically close rank to protect their own, so one has to ask. Why not Harry? Even creepy Andrew gets more mind that poor wastrel 'Arry. Some seriously skewed family dynamics going on - my thing is why aren't more people FIGHTING for the truth to come out? They are not so special that they are above being criticized and held to account. They have squandered their family legacy and are a lot of uncontrollable, dysfunctional users. And yes, the Queen is passive and just seems to be leaving the mess for when after she passes. Things have been well beyond crisis level for years. WHEN is somebody going to stand up openly with the truth? |
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Post by kueifei on Aug 22, 2022 1:16:15 GMT
HM has always been a passive monarch, but for the past so many years she has become officially nonfunctional. She can't control her out of control family and she has been willfully out of touch with a lot of realities, most notably controlling her heirs direct and ignoring that the people she would have relied on for support are not getting any support or protection from her. Harry should have been protected and not allowed to use his resources to go out and party or jet set to film production sets to romp with Meg or who knows who else. William should not have been allowed to deviate from his mapped out life. HM struggles to comprehend that the most recent generation of royalty has not been disciplined or well raised and Charles has been castrated from being far more of a power that he should be. The newer generation has not been raised in the world of royalty and required to accept that jet setting or life of the idle rich is in fact not their place and never will be. They can't behave like jet setters since it isn't their money that they are spending.
This isn't their way of life, a so called profession and dinner at six. Had Harry been better protected and William better disciplined, the trash Midds would not have had a shot with William and would have known it. There is nothing that can be fixed and people with brains know that you DO NOT DUMP ON YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM! Harry should have had his reputation better protected and he should have been kept within palace circles and respected as the backup in case the second in line is harmed. He should have been protected as an asset, not kicked around. If he had been trained up to prepare work as a courtier and treated with the respect that other royals demand, he wouldn't have been such a mess. Then there is the media culture where members of the press are insane enough to think that the princes are their friends or like family and they aren't. There is no way that Arthur Edwards should be expecting Harry to sit with him and have drinks when Harry is NOT his friend and once Harry was married, it was well within right for Harry to focus on his new wife/developing family. I do not see how after being marginalized, that it is surprising that Harry found his wife in a marginalized set and ended up marrying her. If not for the mess that the BRF has been for a long time, Harry would not have even met with Meg, even less dated/married her right away. This book points out that William was better protected and Harry should not have been used as the fall guy for everything William was getting up to.
This book points out how Harry was being misused and it does point out the pathological lying that Meg was engaging on long before she met Harry. Meg's lying, her grandiosity, all of that was pronounced before she landed Harry. I am glad that it is pointed out that she was acting out her delusions of grandeur long before she was involved with Harry. Her UN speech was done in a side auditorium, not the main arena and it is telling that she sincerely thought that she became a peer of genuine diplomats and did believe that her role on SUITS entitled her to throw clout around that she really didn't have. I do not think it is possible that she could stop after a certain point and it is telling that she has gotten caught about lying so much that she could accurately be described as a pathological liar. She has lied about her upbringing, she lied about her 'struggles,' and she lied about her family life and she has lied about her own actual 'role' at the UN. She is so oddly determined to be a victim of the world, yet she wants to be treated with respect. She is a mess and it is clear that she is not in a good place. She likely never will be. This book is probably the single most balanced and adult take and Lady C. was in fact way too biased.
As for Kate's filthy behavior, I do not think the public is ready for it. Maybe Kitty Kelly can end up doing a long chapter about it.
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Post by Admin on Aug 22, 2022 13:07:13 GMT
HM has always been a passive monarch, but for the past so many years she has become officially nonfunctional. She can't control her out of control family and she has been willfully out of touch with a lot of realities, most notably controlling her heirs direct and ignoring that the people she would have relied on for support are not getting any support or protection from her. Harry should have been protected and not allowed to use his resources to go out and party or jet set to film production sets to romp with Meg or who knows who else. William should not have been allowed to deviate from his mapped out life. HM struggles to comprehend that the most recent generation of royalty has not been disciplined or well raised and Charles has been castrated from being far more of a power that he should be. The newer generation has not been raised in the world of royalty and required to accept that jet setting or life of the idle rich is in fact not their place and never will be. They can't behave like jet setters since it isn't their money that they are spending.
This isn't their way of life, a so called profession and dinner at six. Had Harry been better protected and William better disciplined, the trash Midds would not have had a shot with William and would have known it. There is nothing that can be fixed and people with brains know that you DO NOT DUMP ON YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM! Harry should have had his reputation better protected and he should have been kept within palace circles and respected as the backup in case the second in line is harmed. He should have been protected as an asset, not kicked around. If he had been trained up to prepare work as a courtier and treated with the respect that other royals demand, he wouldn't have been such a mess. Then there is the media culture where members of the press are insane enough to think that the princes are their friends or like family and they aren't. There is no way that Arthur Edwards should be expecting Harry to sit with him and have drinks when Harry is NOT his friend and once Harry was married, it was well within right for Harry to focus on his new wife/developing family. I do not see how after being marginalized, that it is surprising that Harry found his wife in a marginalized set and ended up marrying her. If not for the mess that the BRF has been for a long time, Harry would not have even met with Meg, even less dated/married her right away. This book points out that William was better protected and Harry should not have been used as the fall guy for everything William was getting up to.
This book points out how Harry was being misused and it does point out the pathological lying that Meg was engaging on long before she met Harry. Meg's lying, her grandiosity, all of that was pronounced before she landed Harry. I am glad that it is pointed out that she was acting out her delusions of grandeur long before she was involved with Harry. Her UN speech was done in a side auditorium, not the main arena and it is telling that she sincerely thought that she became a peer of genuine diplomats and did believe that her role on SUITS entitled her to throw clout around that she really didn't have. I do not think it is possible that she could stop after a certain point and it is telling that she has gotten caught about lying so much that she could accurately be described as a pathological liar. She has lied about her upbringing, she lied about her 'struggles,' and she lied about her family life and she has lied about her own actual 'role' at the UN. She is so oddly determined to be a victim of the world, yet she wants to be treated with respect. She is a mess and it is clear that she is not in a good place. She likely never will be. This book is probably the single most balanced and adult take and Lady C. was in fact way too biased.
As for Kate's filthy behavior, I do not think the public is ready for it. Maybe Kitty Kelly can end up doing a long chapter about it.
Great analysis as always, KF - these observations should be in a book, IMO. Some kind of book about the observations and critiques of the BRF and why it is such a colossal mess? Something we posters at RG could maybe get going? Just tossing that out there...  |
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Post by kueifei on Aug 23, 2022 18:46:48 GMT
One flaw in the Bower book is how the author says that Kate thought Meg was controlling and manipulative and self-centered with staff.
That is what they are there for.
Staff isn't hired for fun or for companionship or for surrogate family ties. Staff is there to work, follow orders, carry out orders/instructions, and to do it with a smile. Staff isn't there to be taken care of and be in a sinecure like position where there is little work and mainly lounging around. Meg emailing at five in the morning is out of line, but if it's not calls, that is okay since emails are not expected to be answered right away.
I am sick of hearing about how the staff that are hired by royalty actually believe that long term service equals equal status, it doesn't. Staff is there to work and do their jobs and to do them well. Not mouth off to their employers, not judge their employers, and NOT act put out that they are expected to work. The author makes it sound like Meg shouldn't run her own household as she sees fit.
In the States, there are class lines and there are standards and the US is renowned for staff or employees being expected to work hard. It's the standard and employees know their place. The class system is socioeconomic, but also social. The difference is, that mobility is easier and it is considered inappropriate for someone (these days anyway) to live off of their families and expect a fat bank account as an inheritance.
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Post by kueifei on Sept 15, 2022 23:57:11 GMT
I think the book Tom wrote and the book about Lady C. highlights the cultural differences between the US/UK and emphasizes the difference in mindset. In the States, we work hard to live a good life and we make no bones about it. WE do it because we want better and that is the point, to live well. We work for others, we work for ourselves. We do not like others providing it. Lady C. slams new money, but she has no clue the work ti takes to move up the socioeconomic ladder. Tom slams Meg's enjoyment of the luxury life, but he refuses to face the fact that HM plays at being poor; HM isn't thrifty by need, but by a pretense of preference while wearing her own handmade clothes, couture stately gowns, and we all know all about the jewels. We know about the carriages and the thoroughbred horses and antiques and furniture and ancestral estates. It is irritating that Meg's enjoyment of living large is criticized and there is nothing about the fact that none of the Windsors are living in small condos. The Brits might think taxpayer supported luxury is okay for their leadership, but it is not in the US. Our elected officials have luxury, but put bluntly they actually run the nation and no politician would dare be publicly associated with anyone like Kate Nobody Middleton. Or marry someone like Camilla who was playing key parties and developing quite the disgusting past before ripping apart the marriage of someone who married at nineteen. A dynastic match no less.
Harry had a right to 'rush' a marriage since he was nearing forty and so was Meg. So 'taking their time' was not going to be entirely feasible. It was not realistic that Harry and Meg wait ten or so years and neither were university ingenues. If being American is a drawback, or a divorcee, or an actress, it is clear that the problem is with the BRF, not someone like Meg. Meg like all other women was out making a living, not at all able to mooch around and she enjoyed being active. Just because Kate wasn't working, doesn't mean that she is any less cheap; Kate being William's mistress is worse in my view because she was mooching via vacations and she was mooching off of taxpayers if she was in fact exercising at Clarence House or using William's money. It's not like Kate was doing anything for anyone other than her family. If Meg hadn't worked, I am certain that she wouldn't have gone anywhere, much less run into a prince. Kate's family wasn't so affluent that she could afford to be idle, which is why she had a trafficking Uncle paying for all of it. No way could a party tat company provide the ability to keep up with that crowd. The real problem is the culture and mindset; for some reason, it's okay to be idle or even kept, as long as one isn't working, one is 'better' even if the behavior is filthy. Then in the States, if you shark your way up you are celebrated and can continue be celebrated, but if you step too far out of line mor@lly, you can be ruined professionally as well. I know which mindset I prefer. Kate and Meg epitomize those cultural contrasts and it is clear that Meg is stigmatized for earning her living.
I sincerely think the US and UK need to 'take a break' and the US should reassess if whether or not the culture is compatible. Quite frankly in the States, we now know that the UK media at least is seriously hateful and Harry was never going to do better than Meg and just because he didn't marry a loser like Pippa, or some other nobody who wouldn't even TRY to make anything of their lives, he married Meg who had had a full life. Tom had a ton of good points, but he refuses to accept that Harry was not going to marry someone who had no life of their own.
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