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Post by Admin on Sept 25, 2022 15:09:29 GMT
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Post by Admin on Sept 25, 2022 15:19:13 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Sept 25, 2022 17:03:44 GMT
HM never understood what it is to be second born and treated as second rate. She failed to understand that Harry should have been better protected sooner and should have ended up being on a better track while William should have been more disciplined and raised more toughly. There is no excuse for this recent pampering of heirs presumptive or apparent and Harry should have been the one who was receiving more involved guidance and education tailored to his disability. William is the one who should have been exposed more at a younger age to tougher rigors and a more restrictive education. There is no excuse for Harry to have been left adrift. Harry should have been getting an education tailored to his unique place, not lumped in with kids who might inherit, but still have ill-defined destinations and still have to carve that out. I am of the view that royals NEED palace schooling because they need an environment where they will grow into, not this idiocy of letting them pretend that they have to work to pull together a life of their own. Besides, by bypassing uni and going into the military, Harry developed street smarts and was wise on how to handle Pippa's troublesome behavior and he knows how to handle Crazy Kate. No one had any right to leave Harry adrift like he was.
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Post by nyetochka40 on Sept 26, 2022 8:09:32 GMT
Why Harry wasn't enrolled in a good vocational school instead of more academic Eton? He would have been happier as a car mechanic, queen was trained as one during WWII.
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Post by kueifei on Sept 26, 2022 14:25:09 GMT
Why Harry wasn't enrolled in a good vocational school instead of more academic Eton? He would have been happier as a car mechanic, queen was trained as one during WWII. Exactly! Because HM would have had to break new ground and she was psychotically neurotic about tradition despite the fact that honest labor is tradition as well. HM refused to meet the needs of Harry because in her deluded mind, 'spares' are useful until the main heir has children of their own and then spares are of no importance. HM was stupid in this way, I choose to believe that much.
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Post by india on Sept 26, 2022 21:16:11 GMT
Why Harry wasn't enrolled in a good vocational school instead of more academic Eton? He would have been happier as a car mechanic, queen was trained as one during WWII. Exactly! Because HM would have had to break new ground and she was psychotically neurotic about tradition despite the fact that honest labor is tradition as well. HM refused to meet the needs of Harry because in her deluded mind, 'spares' are useful until the main heir has children of their own and then spares are of no importance. HM was stupid in this way, I choose to believe that much. Elizabeth was stupid in a lot of ways.
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Post by kueifei on Sept 27, 2022 14:42:20 GMT
Exactly! Because HM would have had to break new ground and she was psychotically neurotic about tradition despite the fact that honest labor is tradition as well. HM refused to meet the needs of Harry because in her deluded mind, 'spares' are useful until the main heir has children of their own and then spares are of no importance. HM was stupid in this way, I choose to believe that much. Elizabeth was stupid in a lot of ways.
HM was uneducated formally and she was never required to learn street smarts; having had neither, she was a failure of a woman and a failure of a monarch. Once the hype surrounding her death and 'life' dies down, a cold analysis will show that it was a position wasted on the wrong woman. The Queen Mother has a lot to answer for in eternity for overthrowing Edward VIII and HM was the epitome and cultural enforcer of celebration mediocrities being in positions of power. HM did nothing for no one and allowed staff to cross over into personal boundaries. She was a broken woman who preferred to break other women and 'patriarchy' feminist perspective aside, she always chose the troublemaker over the victim. Case in point, Prince Andrew. She treated her husband fairly dismissively and made the bad choice to retain staff from the former reign instead of replacing them. Edward VIII made the same mistake, but he was overthrown. I do not believe that HM ever wanted to reach out and engage and assert herself and she chose values incompatible with the times. Hard work and self sacrifice is not uniquely Victorian. Or uniquely British. HM sought out specialness instead of exceptionalism because she knew deep down that there was nothing exceptional about her except luck.
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2022 15:48:49 GMT
Elizabeth was stupid in a lot of ways. HM was uneducated formally and she was never required to learn street smarts; having had neither, she was a failure of a woman and a failure of a monarch. Once the hype surrounding her death and 'life' dies down, a cold analysis will show that it was a position wasted on the wrong woman. The Queen Mother has a lot to answer for in eternity for overthrowing Edward VIII and HM was the epitome and cultural enforcer of celebration mediocrities being in positions of power. HM did nothing for no one and allowed staff to cross over into personal boundaries. She was a broken woman who preferred to break other women and 'patriarchy' feminist perspective aside, she always chose the troublemaker over the victim. Case in point, Prince Andrew. She treated her husband fairly dismissively and made the bad choice to retain staff from the former reign instead of replacing them. Edward VIII made the same mistake, but he was overthrown. I do not believe that HM ever wanted to reach out and engage and assert herself and she chose values incompatible with the times. Hard work and self sacrifice is not uniquely Victorian. Or uniquely British. HM sought out specialness instead of exceptionalism because she knew deep down that there was nothing exceptional about her except luck.
Currently studying some of the Queen's ancestors and cannot get over how unprepared and badly educated she was. Just the complete difference with the merits of them and the current BRF.Her ancestors were epic in their accomplishments but were actually scorned and overlooked because of them. It pays to have modern celebrity culture supporting you.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 9, 2022 1:45:18 GMT
HM was uneducated formally and she was never required to learn street smarts; having had neither, she was a failure of a woman and a failure of a monarch. Once the hype surrounding her death and 'life' dies down, a cold analysis will show that it was a position wasted on the wrong woman. The Queen Mother has a lot to answer for in eternity for overthrowing Edward VIII and HM was the epitome and cultural enforcer of celebration mediocrities being in positions of power. HM did nothing for no one and allowed staff to cross over into personal boundaries. She was a broken woman who preferred to break other women and 'patriarchy' feminist perspective aside, she always chose the troublemaker over the victim. Case in point, Prince Andrew. She treated her husband fairly dismissively and made the bad choice to retain staff from the former reign instead of replacing them. Edward VIII made the same mistake, but he was overthrown. I do not believe that HM ever wanted to reach out and engage and assert herself and she chose values incompatible with the times. Hard work and self sacrifice is not uniquely Victorian. Or uniquely British. HM sought out specialness instead of exceptionalism because she knew deep down that there was nothing exceptional about her except luck.
Currently studying some of the Queen's ancestors and cannot get over how unprepared and badly educated she was. Just the complete difference with the merits of them and the current BRF.Her ancestors were epic in their accomplishments but were actually scorned and overlooked because of them. It pays to have modern celebrity culture supporting you.
I think the Queen could not cope with anything anymore; she was too old to be put through what Harry/Meg put her through, not just the willful exile, but the stuff like the book, interviews, then the use of "Lilibet" when HM instructed her family not to use it since it was a pet/family name and she wanted the use of it to end. Thing is, that if Harry and Meg had toughed it out for the last years of Philip's life and HM's reign/life, it would have been far better handled and their choices respected. Even worse, was the way that Meg and Harry behaved after Philip died, hard-balling a grieving elderly woman who was clearly thrown big time.
You DO NOT do that to your elderly and there is no reason that Harry should have made those demands on HM when she lost the mainstay of her life. Philip was iconic, a literal fixture by his side and the worst thing about this is how the Sussex stans cheered them on. No one has a right to question why people don't do certain stuff, you just don't. You do not hardball elders and you do not hardball a grieving woman. Harry had no right to it.
I've been critical of HM, but the way that Harry and Meg behaved after they got out was out of line. One thing I dislike is how Meg would not settle into life in the UK and at least stay within the Commonwealth, she was always going to as many trashy jet set places that had nothing to do with the well being of the Commonwealth. Why was Meg consorting with the Clooney's or DiCaprio or Oprah when all Meg had to do was find an area of the UK/Commonwealth, stay there, and do good works until HM died and then proceed to do something different in regards to the new reign?
I believe HM was hurt and critical, but not in a hotheaded way. More along the lines of a woman who is unable to process the illogical trajectory of their actions. HM was not capable of coping with what went down in 2020 and it is clear that she shouldn't be blamed for it. Even after that she still welcomed Harry back. She left the door open. HM likely was upset, but too exhausted and old to handle it and after Philip was gone, she was broken and it was only a matter of time. I think Charles and the rest of the royal staff saw her hurt and inability to cope and I hope Charles plays hardball with his second son as well as the first.
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