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Post by kueifei on Mar 7, 2023 3:27:40 GMT
I think this will be a fantastic thread. What will the place of royal families be in the post-pandemic new world? There is no going back and there is no way that royals can continue to do fluff appearances and get lauded for it.
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2023 3:45:40 GMT
I think this will be a fantastic thread. What will the place of royal families be in the post-pandemic new world? There is no going back and there is no way that royals can continue to do fluff appearances and get lauded for it. I hope so, too, and hope the discussion gets away from the usual pro-Cambridge/pro-Sussex back and forth we all can get sucked into. Hopefully, people will get off their lazy behinds and start contributing? Sorry, just a little miffed with life in general. This could be an awesome discussion.
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Post by kueifei on Mar 7, 2023 4:37:35 GMT
I think this will be a fantastic thread. What will the place of royal families be in the post-pandemic new world? There is no going back and there is no way that royals can continue to do fluff appearances and get lauded for it. I hope so, too, and hope the discussion gets away from the usual pro-Cambridge/pro-Sussex back and forth we all can get sucked into. Hopefully, people will get off their lazy behinds and start contributing? Sorry, just a little miffed with life in general. This could be an awesome discussion.
Same here; sick of the BRF.
I think after the pandemic, after the last deaths occur, a lot of people will be either having screaming fights, or they will be seeing therapists and continuing to react emotionally and psychologically from what has been going down. After the 1918 pandemic people in the 1920's went wild and plain nuts and no one discusses the aftershock of WWII. I think a huge part of the anti-war/hippie movement came a time when the hippies experienced the mental trauma that their parents (WWII soldiers and spouses went through) and it is clear that a lot of people are going to take serious stock of society and what has been going on in how nations are being run, whether or not the people at the top are doing their jobs and whether or not the world royalty will be allowed to keep their cash and jewels and their limitless monies.
Seeing royals parade in couture pretending to be solemn and then going to a gala ball looking carefree will not go down well. Vanity tours will have to be curtailed since governments will have to rebuild their economies and a lot of people are going to have to really support medical personnel and help them recover from their miseries. A lot of people will struggle, but medical personnel are going to be BURNED OUT and will need huge rehabilitation and will not at all be in a place to really handle anything without explosions and being seriously unstable. I am not saying this as being their fault, but they will need help and support, not the expectation of groveling and kissing the arse of royalty. Then there is the fact that heads of state will need a huge amount of time to collapse and rehab and rebuild various government organizations. There will be huge internal restructuring and there will be a huge amount of people who will have to reassess their life, life choices, and there is very little chance that the pre-pandemic royal joyride will continue.
A LOT of people will be assessing their governments and the people who work for them and it is clear that there will not be much by way of tolerance. No one will forget that the royals of Europe either did nothing or did just a little bit until giving up and enjoying the plaudits. I do not believe that anyone will care about the silliness of royal sprats or Amalia's whining about not being able to live a class tourism experience in dorm living. No one will want to see royals getting together and partying at a state banquet and it's not like anyone is in the mood for a promotional campaign promoting the next eighteen year old ingenue as a new budding living legend. No one wants to pretend that the Dutch Queen visiting the Swedish royals is required or urgent and it's not like anyone will believe that a member of the BRF going to Denmark is needed. No one will think that the birthday celebration of a royal princess is going to be more important than spending that money on funding some kind of care treatment for medical personnel.
There are going to be even non-medical personnel flipping out and for the next couple of years there will be a lot of nervous breakdowns and a lot of people will need help, not condescension and demands for more sympathy from their public officials.
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
I hope so, too, and hope the discussion gets away from the usual pro-Cambridge/pro-Sussex back and forth we all can get sucked into. Hopefully, people will get off their lazy behinds and start contributing? Sorry, just a little miffed with life in general. This could be an awesome discussion. Same here; sick of the BRF. I think after the pandemic, after the last deaths occur, a lot of people will be either having screaming fights, or they will be seeing therapists and continuing to react emotionally and psychologically from what has been going down. After the 1918 pandemic people in the 1920's went wild and plain nuts and no one discusses the aftershock of WWII. I think a huge part of the anti-war/hippie movement came a time when the hippies experienced the mental trauma that their parents (WWII soldiers and spouses went through) and it is clear that a lot of people are going to take serious stock of society and what has been going on in how nations are being run, whether or not the people at the top are doing their jobs and whether or not the world royalty will be allowed to keep their cash and jewels and their limitless monies. Seeing royals parade in couture pretending to be solemn and then going to a gala ball looking carefree will not go down well. Vanity tours will have to be curtailed since governments will have to rebuild their economies and a lot of people are going to have to really support medical personnel and help them recover from their miseries. A lot of people will struggle, but medical personnel are going to be BURNED OUT and will need huge rehabilitation and will not at all be in a place to really handle anything without explosions and being seriously unstable. I am not saying this as being their fault, but they will need help and support, not the expectation of groveling and kissing the arse of royalty. Then there is the fact that heads of state will need a huge amount of time to collapse and rehab and rebuild various government organizations. There will be huge internal restructuring and there will be a huge amount of people who will have to reassess their life, life choices, and there is very little chance that the pre-pandemic royal joyride will continue.
A LOT of people will be assessing their governments and the people who work for them and it is clear that there will not be much by way of tolerance. No one will forget that the royals of Europe either did nothing or did just a little bit until giving up and enjoying the plaudits. I do not believe that anyone will care about the silliness of royal sprats or Amalia's whining about not being able to live a class tourism experience in dorm living. No one will want to see royals getting together and partying at a state banquet and it's not like anyone is in the mood for a promotional campaign promoting the next eighteen year old ingenue as a new budding living legend. No one wants to pretend that the Dutch Queen visiting the Swedish royals is required or urgent and it's not like anyone will believe that a member of the BRF going to Denmark is needed. No one will think that the birthday celebration of a royal princess is going to be more important than spending that money on funding some kind of care treatment for medical personnel. There are going to be even non-medical personnel flipping out and for the next couple of years there will be a lot of nervous breakdowns and a lot of people will need help, not condescension and demands for more sympathy from their public officials.
This is the kind of discussion we need and hopefully people will weigh in and start getting way more blunt and real. I think a lot of the problem is that the privileged people before the pandemic want or think life has to go back to where it was for them, no strings attached. Life is eternally changed for us all and we are all coping the best ways we know how. People have really changed whether they recognize that fact or not. Will continue more thoughts later...
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Post by kueifei on Mar 7, 2023 17:44:13 GMT
I think a huge amount of problems comes from the fact that no one begrudges royalty 'the good life,' but that they step up in times like this and be there for their nation and not at least mess things up for people. It's not like people are dumb enough to think that royals live a thrifty life, but people do ask that their royals be prepared to step up in times like this. Smart people who would living a down low life, they would not be jet setting or demanding adulation at state banquets for their teenage kids. I remember reading Alex Haley's "Queen" (one of my favorite books) and how it describes how after the civil war, children born of slave/master unions were in fact at first tolerated and sometimes taken in by their families, but after the war, these mixed race kids were cut out pretty ruthlessly. White families did not want to risk sharing what they had left of their estates with their illegitimate kids and rightly slaves started living a life free of their masters and prepped to move on from the plantations.
I think after this pandemic, politicians are going to start cutting royals out of political/diplomatic life and will no longer tolerate royal pretensions to belonging in the political or diplomatic sphere. No more meeting heads of state on whim, no more private meetings with ministers, no more zoom calls with ministers involved in academics while wearing bare feet, and no more heads of state being forced to receive ingenues as equals and no more pretending that Presidents of constitutional republics should have to put up with the idiocy of reigning royals pretending to have anything of substance to discuss. It's not like politicians are getting any help from the royals and fluffy photographs and events are not doing anything for them (politicians) at keeping the economy going and fact is, that the royals are making things harder. They are still jet setting and pretending that their dinner parties are keeping things going, they are not.
I admit I would have loved to dress up and go to state events and spend my time being feted solely because of my social position, who wouldn't? Thing is, that it isn't their life/lifestyle because it isn't their money, it is taxpayer money. They are feted while young because people believe that they are going to make contributions and sacrifices in accordance with their position and these days, they are not. Now they are still partying while politicians and diplomats are struggling to hold things together, struggling to hold society together while society implodes in some nations and explodes in others. I am amazed that the States has held together for so long, but go figure, it's only a matter of time until things get worse. Things are not going to get better and the royals are not contributing. They aren't even prepared to even if they wanted to. None of them are skilled or trained in anything of any benefit and all of them get degrees and then party.
When taking stock comes around, after mourning and who knows how many memorials, a lot of people are going to be stink-eyeing all the royals and maybe even expressing what has been boiling underneath for a very long time. It's not like royals are even aware that the pandemic is burning people out and I sometimes wonder if whether or not it means anything to the royals that even in the wealthy Netherlands, people are hungry.
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Post by sanka on Mar 8, 2023 6:27:11 GMT
Many people reconsidered what was important during and post pandemic. The loss of lives affected most people whether directly (relative, friend, colleague) or indirectly (hearing the numbers of people dying everyday and the number of elderly people confined in Nursing Homes and completely exposed).
Many people don't appreciate the rich and royalty swanning around. Royalty cutting ribbons and just turning up for an hour has no relevance post pandemic. The only way they can survive is to do something meaningful and hard working.
I consider that the Medical Profession during and post pandemic were admired and appreciated for their contribution and selflessness more than royalty and politicians.
I think if royalty around the world doesn't shape up and do constructive/actual work they will become irrelevant and taxpayers will refuse to fund their lifestyle.
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Post by kueifei on Mar 8, 2023 7:38:05 GMT
That alone will be a lot to process; funerals are largely banned and corpses are cremated, disrupting the usual grieving process and then there will be endless memorials in lieu of funerals. Children are dying and I cannot imagine that India and China are processing anything right now. People will need time to grieve and will need time to process and memorialize the lost. Then there is the pain of unresolved and unsaid goodbyes. When people feel the real loss of their children and elderly, people will need someone to blame and people will lash out. The American public blames politicians frequently, but this is different. There will be concrete hate in the hearts of many Americans and there will be demands for careers or even worse, violence. Then there is the fact that royals are sincerely unaware of the magnitude of the realities I have just mentioned.
People are going to want to blame someone and politicians might in fact give the royals up for public demands for heads to roll. Politicians have done it before and they will do it again. Politicians might not be doing anything right now, but they are watching and they are likely seething.
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Post by kueifei on Jul 21, 2023 17:06:22 GMT
Many people reconsidered what was important during and post pandemic. The loss of lives affected most people whether directly (relative, friend, colleague) or indirectly (hearing the numbers of people dying everyday and the number of elderly people confined in Nursing Homes and completely exposed). I consider that the Medical Profession during and post pandemic were admired and appreciated for their contribution and selflessness more than royalty and politicians. I think if royalty around the world doesn't shape up and do constructive/actual work they will become irrelevant and taxpayers will refuse to fund their lifestyle. I think it's too late for that; in the post-pandemic new world order, people will need rest and need a leadership that is prepared, not photogenic. I think the Hollywood mindset will be needed to set aside and I am certain that no one will want any more chaos or drama. There will be serious inquests into the pandemic and how our politicians were not ready for something that they are supposed to have been trained and educated and prepared for. They are irrelevant because in their position, they are supposed to be making the same sacrifices and service that politicians are and it is obvious that most do not want to try, they just want to party in the States. It will require a lot of sorting out, a lot of therapy, a lot of dedication to restructure and rebuild an economy that is currently in ruins and we can't do that if royals are still determinedly running around causing drama, demanding more favors, demanding more freedom, and demanding more influence. There is no way that there will be a place for people who quite frankly, have made nothing of themselves or good use of their time. With royalty so celebritized, there will be no logical place for them in the halls of power and no logical place for them in a society where people want their leadership to do their jobs, not focus on activism and there is no way that anyone will have patience for a airhead royal who isn't pulling their weight.
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