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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2020 23:20:14 GMT
In fairness to Meg, most actresses are D-List; most of them have either mediocre or middle of the road careers and I do believe that she did well. The odds are horrifically fantastic and it is clear that she did do well for herself. I also believe that she did make something good of her time as a royal and her only misstep was to want to go global before establishing herself in Britain and with the British people. I do believe that also she was unprepared for the actuality of the viciousness of the press and also what went down behind closed doors. I do believe she was subjected to a lot of out of line mistreatment and it is clear that it was tough enough in public, but to come home and have to put up with it is something else entirely. I think Kate was a huge part of it and I am certain that Meg thought that since they were in the same family and similar positions, that they would get along great, but Kate decided to be a class-A witch, just to get in good with the Toffs, but of course, the Toffs do not consider her to be one of their own. The over-whelming majority of actors don't have the success she enjoyed. If one is a actor, one typically needs another job to pay the bills due to the it being a very unreliable source of solid work. In hindsight, it does appear that all the bashing over and blaming of the Press was all just a smoke-screen for what I think we all know is going on behind the scenes -but of course, the Press is a very convenient scapegoat. I never bought the "oh, the big bad Press is racist, etc" pity party, and if anything, they should have tried to get the Press on their side, because due to VERY reliable sources, the Press does get what IS going on, but they are presently gagged. I do think the present bashing of Meghan and Harry in the DM, and other social media sites are well-beyond hateful and ridiculous, but don't blame the Press at large, I would love to , blame the Cambridge Flinging Doodoo PR team, members of certain families, and paid online thugs. One day...and one day soon, people are going to be so surprised we were right...all along. Higher ups KNOW, despite some wanting to cover things up.
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Post by kueifei on Aug 28, 2020 0:27:50 GMT
The press is kind of a bought and paid for entity; with enough cash, you can get any kind of press you want. Want good press, pay the right pens and you will get it? Want to ruin someone, pay enough and you will get the smear job done. I do think it is indicative of a major power struggle that William and Kate were able to orchestrate an overthrow of a blood prince and basically do so possibly over the objection of HM and Charles. Thing is, that Meg likely had good ideas and I do believe that she would have contributed big time to helping the monarchy along if only she had had fair treatment from the press and zero mistreatment behind closed doors. HM went out of her way to help Meg and Charles really open the wallet for couture from DIOR and so many other areas. It is clear that she really wanted to do and try new things and she was doing bread and butter engagements as well, so there was no real reason to object to wanting to do new things. both were well down the line and one of the perks of being lower down the line is the fact that they are no supposed to be bound to do antiseptic engagements and be bored beyond imagining.
Thing is, now that Kate has driven a blood prince and his consort out, I do believe that Kate and William just made a TON of enemies on the inside. Kate messed with the rightful succession and also at the same time, made a lot of insiders nervous about their own bloodline positions. If Kate and overthrow a prince, what is to say that she and William will not try to overthrow any of them as well? Kate has been having her press hounds bash the aristocracy since 2007 and she has been determined to paint herself as a victim who is forced to not work and she keeps using HM to justify her lack of work (the Malta BS) and it is clear that she is out of control. She drove out two people who were making up for her lack of work and didn't seem to realize that Meg was in fact someone who could have been a TRUE friend. Meg came in wanting to work and make something of herself and it is clear that Meg was just eager to pitch in and make the most of her role. One comment on Celebitchy mentioned that Kate slagged Meg off to the Toffs thinking that she, Kate, would get an 'in' with them and yet Kate was still socially rebuffed. The Toffs might not like Meg (not that they had a chance to get to know her), but it will never mean that Kate is one of them.
I do believe that Charles is STEAMING MAD that Harry was driven out; Harry was supposed to be part of the slimmed down monarchy and now because she wanted Meg out, Kate drove Harry out and I think a huge part of the reason that Charles funds Harry generously is because Charles knows the real deal and is very likely completely homicidal. I cannot imagine how bad it will get at Sandringham when all will be at the Christmas festivities and Haryr won't be there and will not be able to attend and it will all be because Kate's hateful vindictiveness and William's arrogance that HM won't be able to see her grandson and great grandson. She will have to deal with a terrible mess, an ongoing media drama, and she will have to deal with the fact that her grandson William and his wench wife have now gotten a taste of successfully overthrowing the sacrosanct succession. I do believe that Charles is STEAMING mad that his son is driven out and so was a consort that he was likely fond of and I do think Meg did do her best to get along with the BRF.
Meg wasn't the reason that Harry walked, I know that much and it is clear that she and Harry were subjected to some kind of horrors if it would trigger Harry walking out on the only life he has ever known. SOMETHING exceptional must have gone down and basically triggered that final walkout. I am just sick of Meg being blamed for all of it.
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Post by india on Aug 28, 2020 1:21:42 GMT
OMG KF that was the most on point comment ever made about the maelstrom that the Jealous Vindictive Guttersnipe Kate has made. She drove that bus full steam ahead and she will have to suffer the consequences. I seriously hope that Charles lays into her common low rent a$$. She deserves to be dealt with harshly and as far as I am concerned it should be done publicly.
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2020 1:37:56 GMT
The press is kind of a bought and paid for entity; with enough cash, you can get any kind of press you want. Want good press, pay the right pens and you will get it? Want to ruin someone, pay enough and you will get the smear job done. I do think it is indicative of a major power struggle that William and Kate were able to orchestrate an overthrow of a blood prince and basically do so possibly over the objection of HM and Charles. Thing is, that Meg likely had good ideas and I do believe that she would have contributed big time to helping the monarchy along if only she had had fair treatment from the press and zero mistreatment behind closed doors. HM went out of her way to help Meg and Charles really open the wallet for couture from DIOR and so many other areas. It is clear that she really wanted to do and try new things and she was doing bread and butter engagements as well, so there was no real reason to object to wanting to do new things. both were well down the line and one of the perks of being lower down the line is the fact that they are no supposed to be bound to do antiseptic engagements and be bored beyond imagining. Thing is, now that Kate has driven a blood prince and his consort out, I do believe that Kate and William just made a TON of enemies on the inside. Kate messed with the rightful succession and also at the same time, made a lot of insiders nervous about their own bloodline positions. If Kate and overthrow a prince, what is to say that she and William will not try to overthrow any of them as well? Kate has been having her press hounds bash the aristocracy since 2007 and she has been determined to paint herself as a victim who is forced to not work and she keeps using HM to justify her lack of work (the Malta BS) and it is clear that she is out of control. She drove out two people who were making up for her lack of work and didn't seem to realize that Meg was in fact someone who could have been a TRUE friend. Meg came in wanting to work and make something of herself and it is clear that Meg was just eager to pitch in and make the most of her role. One comment on Celebitchy mentioned that Kate slagged Meg off to the Toffs thinking that she, Kate, would get an 'in' with them and yet Kate was still socially rebuffed. The Toffs might not like Meg (not that they had a chance to get to know her), but it will never mean that Kate is one of them.
I do believe that Charles is STEAMING MAD that Harry was driven out; Harry was supposed to be part of the slimmed down monarchy and now because she wanted Meg out, Kate drove Harry out and I think a huge part of the reason that Charles funds Harry generously is because Charles knows the real deal and is very likely completely homicidal. I cannot imagine how bad it will get at Sandringham when all will be at the Christmas festivities and Haryr won't be there and will not be able to attend and it will all be because Kate's hateful vindictiveness and William's arrogance that HM won't be able to see her grandson and great grandson. She will have to deal with a terrible mess, an ongoing media drama, and she will have to deal with the fact that her grandson William and his wench wife have now gotten a taste of successfully overthrowing the sacrosanct succession. I do believe that Charles is STEAMING mad that his son is driven out and so was a consort that he was likely fond of and I do think Meg did do her best to get along with the BRF.
Meg wasn't the reason that Harry walked, I know that much and it is clear that she and Harry were subjected to some kind of horrors if it would trigger Harry walking out on the only life he has ever known. SOMETHING exceptional must have gone down and basically triggered that final walkout. I am just sick of Meg being blamed for all of it.
You outlined it ALL. Thank you for this! There has to be a reason why Charles, in his own way, cannot or will not cut the cord with Harry. Yes, Harry was supposed to be part of the slimmed down Monarchy and look what Willy and Kate and friends did. Drove out the 3rd in line. Yes, Megs was never the reason he left, even though the Cambridges and their paid crew want to portray Harry as a hen-pecked lost boy who wouldn't listen to reason. What is being "revealed" in public is just a tiny sliver of ice off a colossal iceberg. But we are not wrong, are we, as to what may REALLY be going on, eh? (for MO forum) We know what the exceptional must be
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Post by kueifei on Aug 28, 2020 3:32:12 GMT
I do think that Charles is going to always quietly fund them and will likely end up protecting them as King; Archie will get the title of Prince after Charles becomes King and I am certain that there will be a lot of push back against William. Imagine someone like your own son overthrowing the succession and flouting your and the Sovereign's preferences at every turn. I am dead sure that Charles is still having reeling heaves at how all this has happened and I am dead sure that the aristos are homicidal. One of their own was driven out and there will be very little feeling of surety this holiday season and I wonder if Kate will try to spend time with her own family instead of at the BRF's set. Princess Anne must be feeling murderous and I do not think that they have been restrained in private. There is no way that Charles hasn't been screaming the walls down and I am certain that ever single courtier has been getting drunk to cope with he seismic shift in everything. All of those carefully mapped out plans have been blown up because of William and Kate's machinations and now they have to figure it all out from scratch and have to literally restructure the ENTIRE monarchy and find out how to get WK to WORK and fill in that gap.
None of this is Meg's fault. Meg ended up coming in at a tense time and was clearly in over her head. Harry and her decided to bolt and Meg got unfairly scapegoated just like Wallis Simpson. Meg would have been married to a billionaire and anyone Harry married would have been crucified and would have been mistreated by Kate. There is something about Kate that just can't stop herself from going after one woman after another. She has this inability to just stop making enemies via her machinations. She had all the freedom to choose her own schedule and chooses not to work; she had the prince, but ditched him in Angelsey to shop in London; she is not supposed to wear black, but does it all the time now. She has Diana's ring, but bashes Diana all the time. It's like she hates the entire aristo world, but wants to be one of them and accepted like some long lost member. Now this wench has been responsible in driving out a blood prince and his consort, but puts it out there that she misses being able to turn to him. She has been trying to act like Meg should be abandoned by her own husband and left with a child and no means of support. I am certain that Kate would prefer that and basically rejoice in making Harry lick her wedges and grovel before William, humbly penitent for falling in love with a woman who they didn't approve of.
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Post by bonaventure9 on Aug 28, 2020 7:47:37 GMT
<In relation to the comment about JM and the court case further up>
It's moments like this that I'm reminded of a line from Lion King song "Be Prepared".
"Of course, quid pro quo, you're expected to take some duties on board ... " Them hyenas only stood by Scar long enough, and when he 'ditched' them, well, they tore him from limb to limb...
^ "It's like she hates the entire aristo world, but wants to be one of them and accepted like some long lost member." I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's that validation she's looking for.
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Post by india on Aug 28, 2020 11:00:08 GMT
Maybe Charles will take his revenge on Surrokate for this and the fraudlings. Now wouldn't that be something?
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Post by kueifei on Aug 28, 2020 14:36:38 GMT
You know, after this, Charles will likely do things that will make his ancestors proud; I mean in terms of ruthlessness. Meg came in being pretty laid back and did a ton of work her first year and oddly, that wasn't good enough for Kate. Although, Kate and William are not the ones in charge of that dynasty and no one owed Kate anything.
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2020 17:07:50 GMT
You know, after this, Charles will likely do things that will make his ancestors proud; I mean in terms of ruthlessness. Meg came in being pretty laid back and did a ton of work her first year and oddly, that wasn't good enough for Kate. Although, Kate and William are not the ones in charge of that dynasty and no one owed Kate anything. I won't disagree. How they (Cambridges, etc) think the world turns on what they think is mind-boggling. Ironic that the one couple that has done it's best to destroy the Monarchy and, imo, the Succession, etc is the one that still gets the best PR, but that's for another thread. Yes, Meghan did try her first year, but we know that didn't last before the problems started popping up.
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Post by kueifei on Aug 28, 2020 17:45:20 GMT
All that abuse was way out of line. Meg took the hits, because Meg was Harry's wife; as for loving the press and doing pap walks, that is the usual promotional routine for all actors and actresses. I also think that Meg never should have been expected to serve as the family scapegoat and never should have been harassed during her pregnancy with those filthy photos of her kid being compared to a chimp. Or the other forms of mistreatment and hostility. Like over the avocados, that was so brainlessly dramatic. At the very least, Meg was working and maintaining friendships and quite honestly, I think she didn't realize just how illogical her situation would become. No one (least of all me) kind of liked her, but there were things that were so out of line in that situation. Kate snubbed Meg at the Commonwealth service and that was out of line in a CHURCH and she had no RIGHT to act like she (Kate) and William were about to face the Nazi Blitz without their support.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 1, 2020 2:00:08 GMT
Prince Philip, 99, is 'very disappointed' by Meghan Markle's failure to 'support the monarchy' and can't understand why she prioritised having 'her voice' over helping Harry in his duties, royal expert claims
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2020 4:25:19 GMT
Prince Philip, 99, is 'very disappointed' by Meghan Markle's failure to 'support the monarchy' and can't understand why she prioritised having 'her voice' over helping Harry in his duties, royal expert claims Oh, methinks Phil knows the TRUE score and I somehow doubt that she's his biggest concern at the moment. I smell a Daily Mail's usual sh#t-stirring scapegoating Meghan and Harry piece.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 1, 2020 4:30:53 GMT
You know, as the husband of the consort, he didn't get abuse the way Meg did. Second, he milked the lifestyle to the full and he also did the stupid thing of introducing Hollywood into royal life and it has been downhill ever since. He was behind that documentary that invaded the privacy of the BRF and it is clear that Philip refuses to see that 'spares' shouldn't stick around just to be a whipping post. Meg did her part and made a sincere effort, but was driven out and it is clear that Harry was getting fed up to the buckteeth with all the BS he had been getting at Kate and William's hands.
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Post by Admin on Oct 18, 2020 14:36:16 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 19, 2020 18:21:04 GMT
Robert Lacey: Duchess Meghan ‘wasn’t made to feel important enough’
I side with Meg on this; since Meg was doing more work her first year and was in many ways more exotically connected, she should have been better protected. There is NO way that Meg should have been wheeled out for a media whipping and then brought back in the palace to put up with more mistreatment from Kate/William. Zero right. This whole "spare's wife as whipping post' should NEVER have been allowed or tolerated.
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Post by Admin on Oct 20, 2020 3:22:40 GMT
Robert Lacey: Duchess Meghan ‘wasn’t made to feel important enough’ I side with Meg on this; since Meg was doing more work her first year and was in many ways more exotically connected, she should have been better protected. There is NO way that Meg should have been wheeled out for a media whipping and then brought back in the palace to put up with more mistreatment from Kate/William. Zero right. This whole "spare's wife as whipping post' should NEVER have been allowed or tolerated.
No, no way should she have been whipping post for Billy/Katie. She didn't marry to get that kind of treatment - who would? The fact she didn't stay long attests to how poisonous and abusive that atmosphere must have been. But... if she didn't feel "important enough"? -she was a new family member; an outsider still, really. She was not going to go from new bride to most important member of "royalty", just like that. Or ever. In the grand scheme of things she was just another family member and why should she have had the expectations of super special treatment? Lots of members of royal houses get married nowadays to non-royals - it's not such a big spanking deal anymore.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 20, 2020 5:20:46 GMT
I really wish HM had sorted out things after Diana died and groomed Harry for some kind of position as a courtier, not as a co-power and I also believe that Charles should not have been allowed to make any plans in regards to the monarchy while HM is alive. I do not believe that Charles should have planned on some kind of anything since there is no guarantee that things will go one way or another since once he is Sovereign the situation will be radically different. I also believe that as for Meg, Meg should have been made to spend one year getting groomed for the role as consort to the second son of the Heir, not allowed to kind of rush right in and start trying to decide things. I do not believe she knew how to handle the slow paced life of a royal duchess and it is not appropriate to call up someone at five in the morning or text anyone with suggestions. I do not believe that Meg should have been made to feel important. She should have made a sincere effort to fit in, fall two steps behind, and also NOT mouth off about anything without prior approval. She isn't there to be adored and feted, she is there to serve the nation. She isn't there to be the center of attention or 'enlighten' anyone.
You know, William just recently launched Earthshot and it isn't something that is fully established; William taking over the Royal Marines and lastly, they are not boys. They are not children and haven't been 'boys' for nearly two decades.
Second, the Windsors have always had their 'causes' that enable them to find fulfillment in full time charity work. It is clear that William is trying to be the creator of a prize he wants to turn into the equivalent of the Nobel Prize, but it just isn't happening. He really does think that he can say that something is important, thus it will become so. His entire level is celebrity, not anything serious and it is clear that if he has Shakira as a 'council member,' then it can only mean that this is the level of which the rest of the world views him as a part of.
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Post by Admin on Oct 20, 2020 12:39:42 GMT
Nothing to lose - she "could" win some inkling of respect back if she does, and then doesn't hold back. Let er rip.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 20, 2020 16:42:22 GMT
There is something seriously wrong with her if she is always 'falling out' in regards to her set. Jessica owes Meg nothing really and Meg needs to STOP with the lawsuits.
Robert Lacey: Duchess Meghan’s ‘American advisers rubbed people up the wrong way’
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Post by kueifei on Oct 20, 2020 21:44:01 GMT
Meghan Markle says 'bad voices' on social media are 'so loud and so damaging' that she's quit her accounts for her own self preservation - while Prince Harry decries the 'global crisis of hate'
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