|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 15, 2023 2:10:58 GMT
I truly wonder what else Kate will be trying to do when she becomes Queen/if she does. We know the fee-only FUN playground is just the begninning that she and William introduced, for example. wonder what else she'll be cooking up for the public now that she can really feel important. I bet she's hatching those plans and more, but we won't know about it. What we do know is she'll be waiting FOREVER if that's what it takes. A true mover and shaker, that one Kate can plan all she wants, but she is IN OVER HER HEAD in where she was when she married William and she is in over her head now. Point blank, she is not in a position to make any kind of move, much less make plans and I believe that she is sick with anxiety. William himself is weak, vulnerable, and increasingly discredited and she has no way of manipulating or controlling him. He is forty and he is likely taking stock of a life badly lived. He has no real effective anything and he has no real standing and at forty, he is close to the throne, but he lacks allies in his own right. Kate is also with a man who has matured and he is no longer focused solely on good sex or being married to a bad girl who helps him give the double finger to the 'establishment.'
Kate seems to be deteriorating more and more as she rises up and in my view it is clear that he is in fact done with her, done with her BS, and done with her family. He is likely through with playing at being middle class and he is tired of his suburban dynamic. Then there is the fact that there is no point to pretending that he can waste any more time. Kate isn't a supportive wife, she has not been doing her duties, and she is not even trying anymore. She had a huge chance and blew it big time. She has no real place in that family or that station in life.
|
|
joni
Knight/Lady
Posts: 19
|
Post by joni on Sept 15, 2023 16:56:17 GMT
I think losing her looks is a big one. She's really insecure, how can she accept aging?? She probably will treat Charlotte like her alter-ego because she's so insecure as it is, and never gave any thought to being 40. But Charles pays for her twice monthly Bee Venom facials, heavy hair extensions, and botox or whatever else until she can't  that anymore, at which point their sham marriage will be a laughing stock and even the media will give up. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 15, 2023 18:02:34 GMT
I think losing her looks is a big one. She's really insecure, how can she accept aging?? She probably will treat Charlotte like her alter-ego because she's so insecure as it is, and never gave any thought to being 40. But Charles pays for her twice monthly Bee Venom facials, heavy hair extensions, and botox or whatever else until she can't that anymore, at which point their sham marriage will be a laughing stock and even the media will give up. Kate is fascinating to me because we kind of started out in messed up families, but we made different choices at crucial points in our lives. She at a young age bought into all those delusions, she bought into her mother's BS, and she ran after William in the most degrading way after he left her in 2007. Thing is, that I understand so much, what it is to think that this guy or another will rescue you from having to deal with life and developing in what are some majorly painful ways, but it is clear that she in fact ran from it while I embraced it. I chose to forgo men after a point and she latched on to and hasn't let go of William. She came from nothing, but chose to develop nothing and as a result, had nothing to stand on. Thankfully I did the opposite, but with less positive attention. Kate had help, but would not help herself as well. Then there is the fact that she refused to accept that she would be only as secure as she was accomplished.
At forty, for women, we should be in a position where our looks and figure do not matter mainly since for men it is less about lust and more about substance. I think I understand men well. In high school it's all about looks and easy sex, then in uni it becomes about education and training and in young men, a combination of looks, easy sex, and some social standing. At forty, men do get eyeing the younger women, but women should be in a secure enough situation as to where if the man walks, women won't have to rely on looks to land another man in order to survive. Looks admittedly can continue, but it isn't possible to maintain the kind of fresh sexuality that only young women have to offer. Kate never had much by way of looks in the first place, her degree is questionable since she did after all NOT get through school without people talking about her being a cheat and she never used it. She has no real standing of her own since she didn't develop a life of her own and she certainly not even try.
She has no real looks anymore and she has nothing dignified about her at all either. She has literally nothing, is literally nothing, and will lose everything once she loses William for good. At best she will be a tenant while the children are underage and at worst, she will be thrown out with not much by way of a settlement. And then there will not be good press or even a second chance to prove that she was just caught up with a prince and had a good time and is now more than ready to get into the workforce. During her time as consort, she wouldn't even try and she also let her charities dies out because she wouldn't do even annual fundraisers. She spent all these years determinedly self isolating and creating as privileged and disconnected a history as possible and I am certain that she has lost that safe landing that her fellow commoners could provide and since she did nothing for those at the top, she will not have their mercy once the marriage is gone.
The waiting game has failed and she is Princess of Wales now, but it is clear that she is not secure and not stable and not loved and even worse, not respected. She is a walking cliche of a mess of a woman. She has nothing, is nothing, does nothing and it is clear that she is in fact will do nothing. Forty can be a danger age for all women if we in fact do not have ANYTHING of our own. HME is dead and Kate regrettably didn't think beyond HME. HME was not going to last long and I am surprised she lasted as long as she did. HME died and now Charles is in charge and William does not bother to pretend that she matters anymore to him. She is the epitome of what our mothers and fathers told us not to become. Her mother is a powerless nobody and I am certain that Carole will be running for her life, not preventing William from doing anything. Men come into more of themselves at forty. They develop the mind of a full man and have no choice but to look back.
|
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 16, 2023 22:32:40 GMT
i agree with the point about William's age! Being over 40, I agree that men CAN become way more thoughtful, even less selfish to their own needs than in their 20s and even 30s. It's a brain thing. I think that they have a difference of perspective that is great. It's possible William is coming into this phase and looks around at Kate and just doesn't see himself anymore. And she can't sustain their early chemistry and their relationship has never been about change (themselves or the world) but vacationing, making jokes all day, and photo opps with their exploited children. Their song-and-dance has outlived its welcome. Kate trying desperatley to remain relevant is putting the pressure on her kids to 'perform' and behave all the time. No kids that come from an unhappy marriage are naturally happy, especially when parents start using them as pawns or emotional hankercheifs. I came from a sham marriage that leaves scars on me to this day at 35, it really becomes a part of your identity. I believe Kate is using her kids to hold her place as William's wife, and has NEVER given second thought to doing so just to save her own a##. William will have to have good cause to divorce Kate beside "irreconcible differences." She never "puts a foot out of line" as the media loves to say, and she knows she has that hold over him as far as the portion of the adoring public is concerned. Williams doesn't strike me as brave, passionate, or relatable at all. I still feel like K has the upper hand as far as a divorce goes because she manipulates his fears and insecurities behind the scenes best she can so he chickens out at the thought even, so he only keeps it to himself. I think I understand William; he ends up boiling, acts impulsively, and then as a result puts himself in an even worse position. He is likely simmering, angry (as usual), and then he is going to abruptly announce a divorce against all logic. He will file, he will force Kate out, and then he will blow up the delicate balance that he and Kate admittedly established. Thing is, that with Kate gone it will mean that there will be limitless paperwork to process and it would be a huge mess. Kate is kind of worthless, but she has been a fixture and people are used to her being there. And then there would not be any patience if he were to try to excuse his choice to end an ironically functional marriage. I honesty, I think William has a over who is dangling a possible better life and that is why he refuses to work on his marriage. I think he is like his father, he is allowing a lover to flout and humiliate Kate and that would explain why she avoids the palaces. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 16, 2023 23:39:36 GMT
William is like his father in a lot of ways and it is obvious that he is too stupid to see the value of a good situation. Kate is pointless, but she has not walked out and she has let William do whatever he wants and get away with it. At that level, there is more to marriage than mor@l perfection. William is like his father in the area of being foolish with women who promise a different, 'better' way of life and they fall for it. At their level, there is no 'better' at all. It makes sense that William is about to blow up the stable situation he has because that is his inherited nature. Like his mother he takes a functional situation and blows it up. If he ends up divorcing his wife and it comes out that he has had the same out of control lover, there will be no forgiveness. Like his father, he is likely being controlled by a mistress and like his mother, he has a fantasy about some kind of alternate existence.
William and Kate are in their forties and can't afford any kind of disruption. I think Kate is capable of throwing her happiness away for the sake of money and status, but William is like his mother and can't see that he has limitless ways of living an easy life. He refuses to accept that he is in fact the same as others like his social set, his class, and his ancestors. Diana for some reason near the end of her life was the same. I believe William will in fact blow up his current situation, try for a 'better' and 'freer' life, and hit a wall. The difference is, that as a prince by birth he in fact will do more damage than even his mother. If he leaves Kate, he will end up causing chaos in an already out of control time and I am certain that even if he remarries, that new wife will not be able to escape suspicion of having been a mistress who has wrecked that marriage. Imagine another mistress getting the ring. Imagine yet another mistress having to be washed up.
|
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 17, 2023 1:40:51 GMT
I am positive Kate can and will hang on until Louis is 18. All she does is hang on. Maybe until Charlotte is 18. I can't imagine living a life knowing my days are for certan number with a person, rich or not. She is the epitome of obsessed, and it's really unhealthy!!!! I had a cousin who's mom (my non relative aunt on my mom's brothers' side) that pushed her to date this shady guy with a yacht that was from somewhere in the Middle East. The mom was just like Carole. She wanted her daughter to marry rich, and used to dress her up inappropriatley (but I loved when she'd give me her old clothes as a kid at Christmas party. Cutest stuff ever.) Now, the daughter has been to the Betty Ford rehab THREE TIMES for alchohol addiction both before and after her efforts with Mr. Yacht man. Even her Trust Fund cut her off because she coudln't stop spending and drinking, and her mom is pissed that she didn't marry rich. It really goes to show that some people only care about money and I agree that Carole is probably letting go of her control of Kate because she SEES there is no money for her anymore, she probably doesn't care if Kate spirals into alchoholism etc. If she loses William, that's her worst nightmere. Strange Kate always says how 'dear' her family is to her. Who the hell does Kate realistically even have? She has an ongoing relationship with the papparazzi! That's all it ever was. Realistically, Kate will not be thrown in the gutter, but she will not have a luxurious life. I have noticed lately that at long last, the frenzied lifestyle of European royalty is shutting down and governments are cutting them off and after this pandemic, I am certain that there will be a long national discussion about whether or not royals pull their weight or not. I have studied nation building and it is tough and second, if the Tories refused an income for Camilla and removed the Queen's flight while their idol HME was alive, it is not going to get easier for them. I honestly think we are seeing a HIGHLY unusual phenom and realistically the royals of Europe are aware of the situation and do not know how to change or adapt, or they are too stupid to see it. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 17, 2023 17:10:20 GMT
Honeslty it's hard to reason what Kate considers worth it. I have never once seen William act like he has patience for her weather she's walking alongside him. He's all more than willing to talk to anything that moves in her presence, as long as he doens't have to acknowledge her. Her little bum tap at the BAFTA's this year was so cringe. He treats her like a fan that wants a kiss. It's so weird that those types of clips of them show their distance, but go VIRAL on social media with millions FAWNING over the cringe displays of awkwardness after 13 years of marriage. Anyone that has studied Non-Verbal Communication would not really see much more than polite tolerance for the sake of the watching eyes of the public. We all know they are trapped being part of a Royal Family. I hope this isn't waht people think is what married life is all about; pressure, shortness, edginess and impetuousness. The look in Kate's eyes at the Bafta's in that clip was glazed over like she was reexperiencing the same nightmere. Just so tired. I wonder how much luxury will ever be worth it to her. If she socialized more or was socially aware, she may realize that her expectations in a marriage are very very wrong! She obviously marches to the beat of her own drum. That's part of why I believe she is unhealthily anti social, and doesn't pick up on cues from generous married women like Sophie that she sees regularly as far as what a marriage really takes. William is like his father; he married a fan girl instead of an equal. Diana was an aristocrat, but she was a 'fan' of Charles, Diana even had a poster on her wall of him and she never let go of the puppy like adoration and I think that later on, Diana became bigger in the press and Diana as a result thought she was better than Charles. Kate hasn't become bigger than William, since William himself is so deflated lately, but Kate was a fan, not an equal. Kate had William's poster on a wall and like Diana, was able to have direct access to him. William did marry someone similar to his mother and Kate is someone who is not very smart and treated schooling as a way to pass time until landing a man. Kate and Diana had a view of their men that is not healthy and neither Diana and Kate had a goal beyond landing the best title and the best bank account.
For any public figure, marrying a fan is a danger mainly since fans don't view their idols as human, only as idols and human failings are treated as some major letdown. After having affairs of her own, Diana treated Charles' affairs as some mortal blow, he was supposed to be perfect and forever protecting her, and he couldn't 'be', he needed to live life as a human, not a golden calf. Kate wants William to be a combination of pop idol/movie star/prince/limitless provider and William can't cope. He can't cope with being 'big' to the point where Kate and her family think they have a right to William's limitless resources. Ever since coming into his life Kate and her family have been draining him and he is basically a washed up, prematurely ageing mess and I say this with sympathy to William. He is an emotional and psychological wreck and he is clearly not a man who has a wife who is doing her duty. She is not looking after him and she threw all those chances away during the first few years of her marriage. I remember writing on that other forum that Kate's negligence of her husband will prevent her from having a solid bond with her husband and it is clear in my view that there is now nothing of her marriage left because like Diana, she gave the double finger towards involving herself in her husband's interests and as a result, William become emotionally and psychologically isolated. Like Diana, Kate stopped trying or making an effort and as a result, her marriage is dead in all but name.
Unlike Diana, Carole let Kate come to her, but that likely made things worse because by walking out, she is abandoning her husband and taking the kids with her and leaving him with an empty home and no real reconciliation. She is walking out time and time again and she is determinedly almost rehearsing her own divorce. If she makes it to Queenship, she will be on even worse ground because it will only get harder for her since she has no real standing. When moving up in the world, it is clear that it only gets easier if you have built your own pedestal or at least not wreck the people who are providing one for you.
|
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 18, 2023 22:29:13 GMT
I do think her behavior is incredibly spoiled and self-entitled in the way she treats William as well. It's easier to feel that the woman is more victimized but I can see how the problem is both ways. Carole really raised her to do nothing but be a vampire, and what better hosts than the RF and troubled tragic figure of William. Carole taught her that this was her God-given right to live like a spoiled child. Kate behaves like William is too big to fail. THIS is why aristocrats who are filthy rich do not marry nobodies with nothing. One thing we hear all the time is how the rich do not get and stay rich by blowing their cash and I completely understand why. It's the same with life. It's like having a perfect physique and doing drugs and drinking too much and getting into bed with too many men. Eventually the body is a wreck. Aristos know human nature and they know that someone who comes from nothing and chooses to make nothing is trouble. Kate just wants to play all the time and mooch. William regrettably was not raised to turn to people to get people off his neck. Second, Kate is obviously very unstable. If a fully adult young woman is not developing anything in her own right, she is a leech and even in u e growing up in one of the most popularly historical cities in the world and not being interested in the museums and the galleries and imagine living in London and not actually knowing every inch of the National Gallery. Diana robbed her sons of being able to embrace their ancestry and all the people who wanted to help and love and adore them. HME had a direct DUTY to make sure that after Diana was gone, that the princes would be okay and for all that they were in fact celebrities, HME REFUSED to make her grandsons her sole focus and make sure Camilla was not able to distract Charles from his parenting duties. William and Harry should have been brought under HME's jurisdiction and if I had been in charge, I would have had both princes schooled in a place like Balmor@l or Sandringham and i would have ordered that Sir Elton John be cut out and I would have ordered Charles to take up residence in Wales and I would have made sure that my main focus would have been those two boys. HME failed to step in at times when William was desperate for guidance and so was Harry. for some reason I hate HME for that more than her other failing as Sovereign and a human being.
I blame Diana for pressuring her sons to be something that they are not. William is not middle class, never has been and he never will be. Second, like Diana, Kate didn't take her education seriously mainly since she didn't want to go into a profession. Kate just wanted a little and bank account, like Diana and like Diana, Kate refuses to step into basic adulthood. Kate burdens William with her family and her refusal to deal with her issues responsibly. She is a burden. Just because he is rich does not give her a right to drain him. Every time she runs to her mother, she is abandoning him and deliberately hurting him by taking the kids and reenacting his childhood mess. I find it intriguing how Diana and Kate are so alike. Kate is so stupid she might as well have not gone to uni in the first place. William was failed by too many people around him in his post-Diana teen years and young adulthood and I am also angry at my father's generation for pushing William to be something he isn't. he isn't and never was a celebrity or pop star and if people had just let him be his real self, his royal and aristocratic self, he would have ended up stabilizing, becoming healthier, developing healthier, and he would have ended up happier and more fulfilled. When I look at William I see a man who was failed by his family that should have stepped in and put a stop to so much. I hope Diana is happy at having destroyed both her sons.
|
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 20, 2023 2:39:18 GMT
Incredibly well said. Diana and my own mom have a lot in common. One thing was always telling us that my dad doesn't really love us, only gives us anything because he wants to take us away from her. It's called parental alienation. Both my parents did it, and it confused my feelings from a young age. Diana was the princess of this. In fact, my mom was how I ever learned of PD. She was really upset when Diana died. I was 8 and never heard of her and figured she was a psycho like my mom, LOL. I immediatley thought of Diana as a child based on how my mom was talking about her explaining who she was. My opinion on her never changed, and many parents do what Diana did to their kids, it happens everyday. It's a very unfair and painful damage that a parent is inflicting on their kids. Any kid feels it and lives with those messages forever, and it can be hard to relate to loving anyone yourself in a healthy way that doesn't turn sinister due to those early feelings the parent tries to invoke for their own satisfaction at hurting another. (spouse). But I have read a lot about the Queen and watched documentaries that referenced her parenting and was appalled at what I learned about how she treated Charles..... all her kids, for that matter. For example, he had to go to a boarding school he hated, and was beat up and bullied for being a Royal. He wanted to come home, and the Queen didn't show any sympathy at all, and said something along the lines of 'too bad, deal with it. You're doing this for the family.' The BRF is such a wild ride when it comes to abuse. Also a great study in psychology and mental health. i had a horrible childhood. Two of my older brothers got addicted to heroin. I lived with one at home until I was 16 when he went to college. I was just a kid when it started and we had been close but I had to witness all of the chaos that comes with drugs being in the house in a middle class suburb when we had had several years before of happy memories together, even when my parents were seperate for two years like going to the local town carnivals, skiing, getting frozen yogurt on Sunday--there were good times. That brother has been dead since 2011. He moved away after college, and I never saw him again except once at Christmas the year before he died:((( He was fighting this awful addiction since I was only 10 years old and he was only 12 and that destroyed the whole family which was already broken due to the parental abuse in the first place but also a reason he started it, though he never talked about it. It was beyond toxic, and my older brother (much older) got him into it. It was dangerous all around and my parents never helped him with his addiction yet let him blow his Trust Fund on drugs, run away from home, hitchike, etc. and not raise an eyebrow up until he committed suicide after another relapse this time halfway across the country after shutting me out for almost a year. The police called my dad who he'd just spoken to on his phone and had to read him his suicide note. Grimy business. After age 10, my memories of him are somehow hanging around his creepy male heroin friends at our summer house, acting like he hardly knew who I was anymore, not acknowledging me at all, etc. Everything changed. I was heartbroken and had no one to explain this horrible thing called drugs. His selfish actions just about killed me. But somehow, my family-outcasts after his death-included some of the extended family members that we grew up with, spent summers with at my grandpa's estate etc.-- still gets together and do 'normal' things but treat each other horribly the next minute (just like before). I watch from afar, and it's an absolute sick mess. Not many people will ever know what it's like to live with a family member let alone TWO that have a drug addiction. I can say with complete honestly only the BRF reminds me of the type of family dynamics that still haunt me though. How can that be? They are wealthy aristocrats and I was middle class. My family which I'm estranged haven't learned anything from my brother's death, and still point blame at anyone else, even me, even though the research TELLS you how dangerous his condition is, being 25 and out of rehab bc of the statistics. Everything was there for my parents to take control of it, yet they didn't because they're insane. The BRF operates the exact same way. They think they are above everything and that research doesn't apply to them. Their dynamics are just as sickly inhumane, perverse, from childhood abuse, with a constant sense of unreality, nonexistant communication, play acting, denial, and coldness as the norm. House of Windsor is worse than the Clue movie plot. I can still honestly say my long disbelief of my situation and measuring my family against the society I grew up around me and the friends and families that I was close with that the toxicity I see in William's entire family might actually be worse than my own family. I have gone to group therapy and not really had anyone NOT stunned at my own story and the intense cruelty and inhumaness of it all in a cilvilized society and close-knit community, and yet I really find the BRF family theraputic because again, especially absent of an addiction, it's somehow actually worse that the things an addiction brings. Mental health and addiction are so closeley related and the hallmarks of both are played out in the family. I hope that doesn't seem too evil of me, but i think it puts their issues and how it may negatively effect society into some realistic perspective, because while we know he had a rough childhood, he seems like it doesn't apply to him because he's gonna be King. It really goes to show that no matter how much money, fame, or perceived good will you have, abuse and lack of love really just cancels it out! what's money when you have no love? When you only have weird hangerons around you?? Money grows in the stock market yes, but when you're in a family that abuses instead of nurtures, is it really that special when he can't really use it to be happy anyway? It's a double whammy. He doesn't really know what he wants or who he is until recently, so his relationship with money might be changing, but until now, did he even know how to spend it? I think that the Queen made sure to mess with him enough to leave him unable to take care of his own business. My parents did; I never got an allowance or learned how to save or how the stock market works; I had no concept of saving or how to put myself and my health and needs first and how money plays a major role in that concept. It left me feeling hopeless and not knowing how to relate to friends whose parents always put them first............anyway, these things are easy to tell in another person. People like this are vulnerable and not protected, but bartered, pimped by their parents to other people. Enter KATE. She sniffed him out long before she even met him because the Queen sold him out. I still think if William chose not to party so much at the time he was in college, he could have graduated and roamed back into his aristocratic circles again and taken his time and found someone on his level. BUT the Queen was in his way with this, very discreetly so. i also think part of it is that he is just spoiled and decided to behind his fortune to not have to grow, and has absorbed the worst qualities of the people around him including Guy Pelly and i just don't have a lot of sympathy for him. While he may have dated Kate for a time but then moved on, he'd get an understandable pass. But to go 8 years and then marry? No. Everyone has their own mind to rely on, their own brain, unless you're an ADDICT. William just decided he doesn't care, doesn't see a bigger picture in life, and isn't going to give a sh#t. It's easier to be a child and , even though he could have got himself out of his situation of manipulation as i did. I got a lawyer and my parents finally left me alone and stopped trying to take my money away after my brother died, slandering me to family and my brothers' friends and making me feel like I could never go back home or be able to feel like a normal girl again with my old friends like I was some sort of freak when I didn't do anything wrong or enable his addiction like they did for years. i was just a college dropout feeling lost. That's why I'm kind of still laughing he married Kate. He really could have helped himself, and had way more money than I'll ever have, but couldn't see the light. I think his partying indicated alcohol dependency, another thing Kate encouraged and nursed/took advantage of, cuz that's what enablers do. The Queen is the master of this. She's a malignant narcissist. She's the centerpiece of the scheme of family destruction, regardless of what one believes about Diana's death being a hit/British and French government cover up. William has CLEARLY always been in over his head. Like you said what has Kate's job been? Pretend nurse maid, but really just a profiteer off of someone's suffering to boost herself. William will forever be nursing childhood wounds which can happen to anyone that's been through trauma, whether a very public or private one. However, his lack of support system coupled with the Queen's malignant narcissistic governing style over her family rendered him incapacitated as far as fending for himself (finding and acting on love, and an equal at that.) You know the saying, "never date down." Wills missed that memo! I believe the Queen didn't treat either boy as a wealthy aristocrat too, because she hates her family deep down, but they had no choice but to take her abuse. But William is lazy. Very lazy. To the point that again, these issues he refuses to tackle become the ire of his own people (low engagements, etc.) It's also possible that to explain his behavior, the Queen told him if he doesn't do this or that, he'll have to go to a crazy ward and what that would mean for the publicity. I really wouldn't put it past her. |
|
|
|
Post by Thing is on Sept 20, 2023 19:48:26 GMT
I do think her behavior is incredibly spoiled and self-entitled in the way she treats William as well. It's easier to feel that the woman is more victimized but I can see how the problem is both ways. Carole really raised her to do nothing but be a vampire, and what better hosts than the RF and troubled tragic figure of William. Carole taught her that this was her God-given right to live like a spoiled child. Kate behaves like William is too big to fail. THIS is why aristocrats who are filthy rich do not marry nobodies with nothing. One thing we hear all the time is how the rich do not get and stay rich by blowing their cash and I completely understand why. It's the same with life. It's like having a perfect physique and doing drugs and drinking too much and getting into bed with too many men. Eventually the body is a wreck. Aristos know human nature and they know that someone who comes from nothing and chooses to make nothing is trouble. Kate just wants to play all the time and mooch. William regrettably was not raised to turn to people to get people off his neck. Second, Kate is obviously very unstable. If a fully adult young woman is not developing anything in her own right, she is a leech and even in u e growing up in one of the most popularly historical cities in the world and not being interested in the museums and the galleries and imagine living in London and not actually knowing every inch of the National Gallery. Diana robbed her sons of being able to embrace their ancestry and all the people who wanted to help and love and adore them. HME had a direct DUTY to make sure that after Diana was gone, that the princes would be okay and for all that they were in fact celebrities, HME REFUSED to make her grandsons her sole focus and make sure Camilla was not able to distract Charles from his parenting duties. William and Harry should have been brought under HME's jurisdiction and if I had been in charge, I would have had both princes schooled in a place like Balmor@l or Sandringham and i would have ordered that Sir Elton John be cut out and I would have ordered Charles to take up residence in Wales and I would have made sure that my main focus would have been those two boys. HME failed to step in at times when William was desperate for guidance and so was Harry. for some reason I hate HME for that more than her other failing as Sovereign and a human being.
I blame Diana for pressuring her sons to be something that they are not. William is not middle class, never has been and he never will be. Second, like Diana, Kate didn't take her education seriously mainly since she didn't want to go into a profession. Kate just wanted a little and bank account, like Diana and like Diana, Kate refuses to step into basic adulthood. Kate burdens William with her family and her refusal to deal with her issues responsibly. She is a burden. Just because he is rich does not give her a right to drain him. Every time she runs to her mother, she is abandoning him and deliberately hurting him by taking the kids and reenacting his childhood mess. I find it intriguing how Diana and Kate are so alike. Kate is so stupid she might as well have not gone to uni in the first place. William was failed by too many people around him in his post-Diana teen years and young adulthood and I am also angry at my father's generation for pushing William to be something he isn't. he isn't and never was a celebrity or pop star and if people had just let him be his real self, his royal and aristocratic self, he would have ended up stabilizing, becoming healthier, developing healthier, and he would have ended up happier and more fulfilled. When I look at William I see a man who was failed by his family that should have stepped in and put a stop to so much. I hope Diana is happy at having destroyed both her sons.
What makes you think HM didn't try her hardest to be a positive influence? You know HM can't override people's free will and legally make them do things like that right? I get the sense you have previously (or maybe currently) been certified under the mental health act and legally forced to take treatment, based on your mental health recollections. Do you think that people can be made to do things with their lives in a similar way, or something? |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Sept 20, 2023 21:07:26 GMT
Kate behaves like William is too big to fail. THIS is why aristocrats who are filthy rich do not marry nobodies with nothing. One thing we hear all the time is how the rich do not get and stay rich by blowing their cash and I completely understand why. It's the same with life. It's like having a perfect physique and doing drugs and drinking too much and getting into bed with too many men. Eventually the body is a wreck. Aristos know human nature and they know that someone who comes from nothing and chooses to make nothing is trouble. Kate just wants to play all the time and mooch. William regrettably was not raised to turn to people to get people off his neck. Second, Kate is obviously very unstable. If a fully adult young woman is not developing anything in her own right, she is a leech and even in u e growing up in one of the most popularly historical cities in the world and not being interested in the museums and the galleries and imagine living in London and not actually knowing every inch of the National Gallery. Diana robbed her sons of being able to embrace their ancestry and all the people who wanted to help and love and adore them. HME had a direct DUTY to make sure that after Diana was gone, that the princes would be okay and for all that they were in fact celebrities, HME REFUSED to make her grandsons her sole focus and make sure Camilla was not able to distract Charles from his parenting duties. William and Harry should have been brought under HME's jurisdiction and if I had been in charge, I would have had both princes schooled in a place like Balmor@l or Sandringham and i would have ordered that Sir Elton John be cut out and I would have ordered Charles to take up residence in Wales and I would have made sure that my main focus would have been those two boys. HME failed to step in at times when William was desperate for guidance and so was Harry. for some reason I hate HME for that more than her other failing as Sovereign and a human being.
I blame Diana for pressuring her sons to be something that they are not. William is not middle class, never has been and he never will be. Second, like Diana, Kate didn't take her education seriously mainly since she didn't want to go into a profession. Kate just wanted a little and bank account, like Diana and like Diana, Kate refuses to step into basic adulthood. Kate burdens William with her family and her refusal to deal with her issues responsibly. She is a burden. Just because he is rich does not give her a right to drain him. Every time she runs to her mother, she is abandoning him and deliberately hurting him by taking the kids and reenacting his childhood mess. I find it intriguing how Diana and Kate are so alike. Kate is so stupid she might as well have not gone to uni in the first place. William was failed by too many people around him in his post-Diana teen years and young adulthood and I am also angry at my father's generation for pushing William to be something he isn't. he isn't and never was a celebrity or pop star and if people had just let him be his real self, his royal and aristocratic self, he would have ended up stabilizing, becoming healthier, developing healthier, and he would have ended up happier and more fulfilled. When I look at William I see a man who was failed by his family that should have stepped in and put a stop to so much. I hope Diana is happy at having destroyed both her sons.
What makes you think HM didn't try her hardest to be a positive influence? You know HM can't override people's free will and legally make them do things like that right? I get the sense you have previously (or maybe currently) been certified under the mental health act and legally forced to take treatment, based on your mental health recollections. Do you think that people can be made to do things with their lives in a similar way, or something?
HME was Sovereign; the actions of the princes have been having a wider affect on the image of the nation, the nation that they are supposed to be upholding. HME could have ordered them into proper schooling and full time engagements.
|
|
joni
Knight/Lady
Posts: 19
|
Post by joni on Sept 21, 2023 1:52:49 GMT
Nope, I haven't. No one can force you take take mental health treatment unless by a court order. That's never happened.
All I'm saying is you never know what goes on behind closed doors.
|
|
|
|
Post by Thing is on Sept 21, 2023 17:36:06 GMT
Nope, I haven't. No one can force you take take mental health treatment unless by a court order. That's never happened. All I'm saying is you never know what goes on behind closed doors. No worries, I was referring to kuifei. They make a lot of conflicting points, about how William should have been allowed to be his true self, by being forced to by HM etc. They frequently share a lot about how close their own life was to how Kate and William act or whatever, and have shared how they have mental illness and have been hospitalized. A lot of projection. No one in the RF can make anyone do anything. They are powerless, overpaid influencers and nothing more. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Oct 4, 2023 2:08:03 GMT
Jobson: Princess Kate will ‘increasingly step out solo’ while William ‘spreads his wings’
First, Kate has nothing to step into; second, William spreading his wings? How on earth do you talk like that in your forties? He isn't entering his twenties, he is entering his forties and he is entering his second half of his life. This sounds like groundwork for a divorce mainly since Kate can't step out since she has nothing to step into at her age and second, William sounds like he's about to engage in overdue independent development. Second, imagine another Princess of Wales overthrown by a mistress and shoved out while another is promoted as the 'one true love.' One poster on CB suggested that Charles assigned William the title POW to trap William in his marriage to prevent a mess of two princesses of Wales running around and causing drama. Not just the Duchy money, but the title would give Kate more standing and would make a divorce less easy.
If Kate ends up divorced, overthrown by a mistress, it will prove that William is even worse than his father since William wasn't hamstrung by constrictions.
|
|
sanka
Count/Countess
Posts: 295
|
Post by sanka on Oct 7, 2023 6:04:53 GMT
That is interesting point that assigning the POW title to trap him in the marriage. Agree that it makes any divorce less easy plus it is an incentive for Kate to stay in the marriage even if William is trying to push her out. I was wondering why it was so sudden that the title was given to the Cambridges. I thought it may have been a temper  /dummy spit by William to get the title. Also, from the Cambridge perspective it was a dig at the Sussexes. However, I can imagine MM exploding when she heard the news. It is frustrating to see that they both of them have never really set themselves up earlier with solid work. KC had established the Princes Trust in his 20s and had been working diligently in his 30s and 40s. What have the lazy duo been doing? Clearly not much if now one of them has to go solo and the other has to spread his wings sigh - ludicrous. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Oct 7, 2023 22:41:56 GMT
I wish Kate and other royal women would stop wearing business suits. I am sick of them posturing like they know anything outside of swiping a credit card.
|
|
|
|
Post by sparky on Oct 12, 2023 14:31:11 GMT
the thing that bothers me most about Kate is like you said, she doesn't believe the world exists without her. She just coasts along everywhere, along for a ride, doing absolutley nothing to deserve it. What pains me is seeing the hardworking people she visits that try to help make society better, all while acting holier than though like they needs to kiss her a##  For her to lift a finger to pretend to give a flying crap about them just making sure paparazzi are in the right place. She clearly hasn't worked on her interpersonal skills since getting married, and seeing her do the EXACT same song-and-dance with EVERY meet and greet she's been to is like watching a robot, it's mind-numbing. The vids pop up on my YT all the time for some reason. She's incapable of saying anything intelligent beyond "it's so rainy and windy out" or "I don't have a paticularly good singing voice!" like a broken record, devoid of feeling or true emotions regardless of what the function is or where she's at (memorial? same. Women's shelter? same. Local food pantry? same. Grocery store tour? Same) If this is what Britains look up to, I'm afraid for them. I can also tell based on her conversations that she has boundry issues and doesn't respect peoples' boundries when she speaks, like she doesn't care enough to bother getting a feel for a person (or child) before saying like "Here you can have my poppy, it represents all the soldiers who died in the war" or acting way too maternal around other mothers' childrens for a photo opp. She way oversteps respectable boundries but expcets people to cater to her half-a## efforts at 'connecting,'While she may seem pleasent enough, too many people 'ooo and ahh' at her and so the cycle continues of the dog and pony show. People should be smarter than this, it's why I can't really imagine living in Britain. Point blank, she is delusional enough to believe that William is just like her and she is just like William, therefore deserves to live his lifestyle. Uni is not for everyone and William never should have been allowed to go on some Roman Holiday and he has been on holiday ever since. She literally has no comprehension of the position she is in and hasn't grown at all, in fact she has regressed. The Brits might resent it, but the system is so entrenched. It's like the Plantation life of the Old South and it took CENTURIES for it to collapse. She has no sense of boundaries because she was badly raised. She also did not want to learn. There is also something missing in her, something off that is rendering her nonfunctional. She has struggles holding herself together. She reminds me of my old boyfriend, he lacked a lot of discipline and despite five years together, he ended up not at all growing or developing or solidifying and he also got more aggressive and obnoxious after he moved into a place of his own. While we were driving to a video store he was joyous and told me thank God we hadn't married because he would have wanted a divorce. That is what triggered the final stage of inner seething that led me to break up with him. Before I did that he floated the idea of breaking up and he talked about me being some honorary cousin to some bullshit. I was so pissed. It was me that kept pushing the delusion of marriage off and go figure, he wanted to end it once he moved into a place of his own. As Kate moved up she started becoming lazier, more dismissive of a support system that could have helped her and she did get way out of line so much I am amazed that she got away with it. She and her family were out of control and it took legal intervention to get Pippa to back off of Earl Percy. Then there is the fact that Kate just kept flouting HME and how she jetted around more than she went to her offices at KP. Kate has no reason to progress and naturally has gotten lazier since her life goal (royal wag/gold digger) is complete - which was to get married to William and then secure her position as much as possible by spawning the next generation. She can now coast along in life and effortlessly become Queen (if the monarchy isn't removed before then), which realistically could happen soon since Charles is elderly. Even if William divorces her, she will get a decent settlement, will have her name in the history books and will always be the mother of three mainline royal members, one which will be king if the monarchy is still around in the future. The royal PR machine will protect and clean up for Kate because she is William's wife and she has no serious competition, especially as a 'young adult female' face of the monarchy. In addition, Kate looks even better without having to lift a finger due to the very negative press MM gets and looks relatively scandal free when compared to Camilla. Kate being the best high-position female the BRF has to offer to appeal to the general population shows how screwed up and pointless the BRF is. There are royal women who are far better than Kate but they are too old and/or their royal status isn't high enough to bother promoting them. Kate would have been pressured to start working a lot more seriously if Harry married a hardworking (and attractive) woman and stayed in the monarchy. Not that Kate really would end up truly working, since she is a vindictive woman of leisure and a thot, she would just wage nasty PR battles against the woman in a desperate effort to drag her down. Kate has good experience with dragging other women down through her PR teams and media connections to elevate herself because it comprised a significant section of her pre-married life. Any woman who William got interested in or she thought was trying to climb into William's bed got smeared, even Harry's girlfriends couldn't escape, since Waity Katie needed to make herself look like proper working princess material in comparison. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Oct 13, 2023 4:27:05 GMT
Point blank, she is delusional enough to believe that William is just like her and she is just like William, therefore deserves to live his lifestyle. Uni is not for everyone and William never should have been allowed to go on some Roman Holiday and he has been on holiday ever since. She literally has no comprehension of the position she is in and hasn't grown at all, in fact she has regressed. The Brits might resent it, but the system is so entrenched. It's like the Plantation life of the Old South and it took CENTURIES for it to collapse. She has no sense of boundaries because she was badly raised. She also did not want to learn. There is also something missing in her, something off that is rendering her nonfunctional. She has struggles holding herself together. She reminds me of my old boyfriend, he lacked a lot of discipline and despite five years together, he ended up not at all growing or developing or solidifying and he also got more aggressive and obnoxious after he moved into a place of his own. While we were driving to a video store he was joyous and told me thank God we hadn't married because he would have wanted a divorce. That is what triggered the final stage of inner seething that led me to break up with him. Before I did that he floated the idea of breaking up and he talked about me being some honorary cousin to some bullshit. I was so pissed. It was me that kept pushing the delusion of marriage off and go figure, he wanted to end it once he moved into a place of his own. As Kate moved up she started becoming lazier, more dismissive of a support system that could have helped her and she did get way out of line so much I am amazed that she got away with it. She and her family were out of control and it took legal intervention to get Pippa to back off of Earl Percy. Then there is the fact that Kate just kept flouting HME and how she jetted around more than she went to her offices at KP. Kate has no reason to progress and naturally has gotten lazier since her life goal (royal wag/gold digger) is complete - which was to get married to William and then secure her position as much as possible by spawning the next generation. She can now coast along in life and effortlessly become Queen (if the monarchy isn't removed before then), which realistically could happen soon since Charles is elderly. Even if William divorces her, she will get a decent settlement, will have her name in the history books and will always be the mother of three mainline royal members, one which will be king if the monarchy is still around in the future. The royal PR machine will protect and clean up for Kate because she is William's wife and she has no serious competition, especially as a 'young adult female' face of the monarchy. In addition, Kate looks even better without having to lift a finger due to the very negative press MM gets and looks relatively scandal free when compared to Camilla. Kate being the best high-position female the BRF has to offer to appeal to the general population shows how screwed up and pointless the BRF is. There are royal women who are far better than Kate but they are too old and/or their royal status isn't high enough to bother promoting them. Kate would have been pressured to start working a lot more seriously if Harry married a hardworking (and attractive) woman and stayed in the monarchy. Not that Kate really would end up truly working, since she is a vindictive woman of leisure and a thot, she would just wage nasty PR battles against the woman in a desperate effort to drag her down. Kate has good experience with dragging other women down through her PR teams and media connections to elevate herself because it comprised a significant section of her pre-married life. Any woman who William got interested in or she thought was trying to climb into William's bed got smeared, even Harry's girlfriends couldn't escape, since Waity Katie needed to make herself look like proper working princess material in comparison. Kate is now Princess of Wales, but if she keeps flouting Charles or keeps holding off on work, she will continue to lose support and her husband is likely tired of her. Point blank, William isn't around her much anymore and his open rudeness is a sign that he is abusive to her behind closed doors. One painful aspect about Kate, is that she does not understand how she is different from William and how she can't see how William looks at her or can't understand why. She reminds me of myself with an old boyfriend that ended up dumping me and I never understood why I wasn't considered good enough. Now that I understand class differences better, I understand why he is tired of her not fitting in, not opening doors in areas where he needs help, and I understand why he is frustrated with how Kate isn't doing more or even trying,. |
|
|
|
Post by sparky on Oct 13, 2023 5:35:21 GMT
^ Sorry to know about your situation with your old boyfriend but I can assure you that you are alot better than Kate as a person.  Unfortunately for Kate, this entire situation is a consequence of her own making. It's not just a class difference thing in her case, Kate never demanded William respect her and was happy to be a 24/7 on-call mattress and degrade herself for him. William bullied and even cheated on her multiple times during the dating years but she was willing to ignore it to get the ring and royal title. It's clear he never really loved her but just settled with her because there were no other takers. No man, no matter what status he is will respect someone like Kate. William likely could delude himself that he liked her enough when she was younger and was able to somewhat maintain her appearance. However, she is clearly loosing the only thing that William actually liked about her - which is her looks. Kate is now too old to continue to do the naive ingenue married in royal anymore, her incompetence is not cute and she cannot even serve as his eye candy anymore. Her forced transition to look more like a hardworking attractive middle-aged woman, with the pant-suits and slightly less long hair cut isn't working out. She is not a woman of substance and doesn't have the intelligence and connections to navigate royal life and society in general to continue to prop up the BRF. She doesn't understand the power dynamics of the BRF and how to connect with each individual to benefit William, so William will have to struggle alone. It's getting more obvious Charles and William are constantly fighting each other for dominance. Another issue is that Kate wants William to continuously support the Middletons. She is treating this marriage like she is in a romance-novel set in the Victorian/Edwardian era, where the wealthy titled husband would prop up and support the more improvised lower-status wife's family and help them both materially and in the social world. Kate brings nothing beyond her ever-fading looks to the table, she is completely useless and will continue to be useless as a royal wag, and she is too stupid to see that monarchies can be deposed of in modern times. |
|
|
|
Post by kueifei on Oct 13, 2023 6:24:54 GMT
I think I fully agree. Thanks for the compliments. She really, really would not make anything of her time and build her own standing and connections and rapports with others. I think he reminds me of me. I hooked up with one of my exes out of pity and I did convince myself for quite some time that I was happy, but later on I started to really loathe him and resent him and dislike how he was refusing to stop idiocy and just CHILL! She never was exceptionally attractive and I think Kate refuses to see that cute isn't enough for a lifelong marriage. She isn't attractive and men like idiocy in their mistresses, not their wives. Her inability to develop even basic acquisition of adult responsibilities and by the time his mother was 21 she was a skilled mistress of multiple homes. Then there is the fact that Kate doesn't even try. She quaffs fine wines and watches shows and smokes like a chimney and is purposeless. His own mother was doing full time work plus attempting to be a healthily involved mother. Then there is the fact that he has his own domestic and social needs and Kate is not fulfilling them.
I wish royal women would stop wearing business suits. They are not on a business trip they are making appearances and I am sick and tired of royal women wearing suits and trying to equate with REAL businesswomen. It's not like they are in meetings and know what it being talked about even if they are in the room. Then there is the fact that none of them are well educated and almost all of them have never really been embedded in the workforce and many have been out of the formal workforce for up to twp decades. Kate was never in the workforce and I loathe pant suites except with exceptions. She was not at all someone who was in any level, much less an executive level. She isn't really at interesting and none of these consorts belong in a room where we are all told we have to work hard in order to get into. Mette-Marit isn't even a uni graduate and Kate's degree is in art and as for the rest, the less said the better.
She refuses to accept that you don't sit and wait for a new position and you do NOT mess with other members of the tribe. Her work was aimed at not just serving the nation (something she is useless at), but she is certainly required to serve and support other members of the tribe and certainly the Sovereign. She flouted HME and she has been flouting HMC and showed up late and unprepared at his coronation and that was a horrific mess. She should have been working at scouting out and drumming up contacts for the BRF so the BRF could rely on others and continue to expand and support and maintain the ability of the BRF to be well looked after.
This is what is worse. Second, the only reason the aristos supported struggling inlaws is because the aristos knew that they were unable to make any kind of effective living and so it wasn't some kind of major black mark. Second, as you said, William is financing the Midds and their luxury lifestyle and that is unfair to William and grossly unfair to the taxpayer. They are being users and Pippa BLEW that book deal and James, the less said about him the better. Her family both trouble and a burden and have gone a long way towards wrecking the BRF's relations with the aristocracy. The midds are not just using, but they are abusing. Everyone gets perks and benefits, but this is out of control. They have no clue how to stick with a work formula and become self sufficient. |
|
tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton