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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2020 1:33:37 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8808003/Prince-Harry-Prince-Williams-feud-began-long-Meghan-came-scene-new-book-reveals.htmlWhat FIRST set the royal brothers at war: Years before Meghan, Prince William brought Prince Harry into his wild set only to leave him to fend for himself after a drugs scandal and infamous costume party shame, explosive new book reveals The roots of Harry and William's rift go long before Meghan came on the scene The brothers struggled with the public break-up of Charles and Diana Harry also felt abandoned by William after his drugs and Nazi uniform shame By ROBERT LACEY FOR THE DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 17:01 EDT, 5 October 2020 | UPDATED: 20:08 EDT, 5 October 2020 Johnty, London, 2 minutes ago This is the biggest load of tosh ... unfortunately the biographer is not really aware of what is going on... but the hype sells the book ... read it by all means but with a large dose of salt ! ReplyNew Comment 17Click to rate TheVineyard, Washington, U.S. Virgin Islands, 2 minutes ago A P.oem by P.hilip L.arkin sums it up: They f' ** k you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. ReplyNew Comment 04Click to rate Purple Coneflower, Around and About, United States, 3 minutes ago Why is nothing ever Harry's fault? First off, the brothers have shared friends their whole lives. Secondly, it doesn't matter if someone introduces you, William did not force Harry into that disgusting uniform or force him to act up. Many of us have stories of tough adolescence where we did stupid sometimes dangerous things. Most people eventually mature and dump any bad influences. This book has some interesting insights, but a lot of it just seems like painful rehashing of what we know or already guessed. ReplyNew Comment 113Click to rate dailyTry, St Albans, United Kingdom, 4 minutes ago This is just skimming on the truth. ReplyNew Comment 25Click to rate nigerian, st louis, United States, 5 minutes ago William did not defend Harry, Kate did not defend Meghan. Stupid couple always about them, dont care about others ReplyNew Comment 235Click to rate Megalita05, Windsor, United Kingdom, 5 minutes ago Harry's real father needs to be revealed. He looks like no one in the family ReplyNew Comment 811Click to rate Sun-luvver, London, United Kingdom, 2 minutes ago Grow up 23Click to rate wag0jam, Fort Worth, United States, 5 minutes ago Harry has found a new mummy now. ReplyNew Comment 619Click to rate express yourself11, Minnesota , United States, 6 minutes ago Love pic 6, both look so happy and handsome! Big difference from pic 1 ReplyNew Comment 04Click to rate L-C, UK, United Kingdom, 6 minutes ago Harry & Meghan has something in common; blame everyone ReplyNew Comment 721Click to rate jessma, opinion, United States, 6 minutes ago What rubbish. They've both had more than most humans are afforded. If one couldn't make do with that, imagine if he had to live with us down here. No pity or sorrow am I feeling. Pull up your big boy pants. You are the one who bit the hand that had fed you. All you had to do was give back. To your home land. Your people. You owed them. Charity begins at home. ReplyNew Comment
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Post by kueifei on Oct 6, 2020 1:36:56 GMT
How disgusting; so Meg isn't to blame and even William is being painted as a less than perfect saint.
Prince William ‘was so furious’ with Harry, he refused to eat lunch with him in January
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Post by kueifei on Oct 7, 2020 1:13:01 GMT
Prince William taking over Harry’s Royal Marines position & it’s another ‘punishment’?
Prince William asked his uncle, the Earl Spencer, to intervene with Harry & Meghan
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Post by Admin on Oct 7, 2020 1:56:56 GMT
Prince William taking over Harry’s Royal Marines position & it’s another ‘punishment’? Prince William asked his uncle, the Earl Spencer, to intervene with Harry & Meghan
Just so we’re straight, let’s go through this: Harry and Meghan wanted to step back from full-time royal work and be able to spend time outside of the UK, while still maintaining some kind of part-time royal status and part-time work. This was seen a deeply criminal to everyone in the palaces, and the Queen and William set about finding ways to punish H&M. The Sussexes can’t use their HRHs. They can’t use any Sussex Royal branding. They had to give up their Commonwealth Youth ambassador roles. Harry was stripped of all of his military honors. And now… months later, Workshy Will is taking Harry’s old position and it’s being called yet another punishment because Harry said “reject hate speech.” Wow. These people are completely deranged and awful.
***********At the very least...people are starting to call it like it really is. But Billy taking over the Royal Marines position? Insulting... bluemoonhorse says: October 6, 2020 at 9:46 am JMO but I’m thinking the Royal Marines will be super disgusted by this if it comes to pass. I doubt William will find many there who will welcome him (of course they will be polite). But gosh, that’s a dirty blow. Reply Merricat says: October 6, 2020 at 9:50 am No standing ovations for William, unless he specifically commands it, which I would not put past him. Reply bluemoonhorse says: October 6, 2020 at 9:53 am I expect he will, but you cannot command hearts.  Mignionette says: October 6, 2020 at 11:43 am @merricat The Baftas stone silence will forever be etched in my mind. It just goes to show that there are those in the know amongst the patronages, but they are forced to pay lip service to the Royals to keep the funding rolling in. windyriver says: October 6, 2020 at 12:27 pm @mignionette, said something like this the other day. Regardless of what agenda the media or family push, the people on the ground know what’s what – that William and Kate are full of hot air, vs the real impact of having Harry or Meghan involved with an organization. |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 7, 2020 4:17:46 GMT
This is kind of freaking me out. William is acting like a co-Sovereign instead of a devoted subject of his Queen and it is clear that William is determined to make his brother 'suffer' for leaving a toxic situation. He seems crazier and crazier by the month.
Prince William was the driving force behind Harry’s delinquency in their teens
So basically William was the one leading Harry astray and not the other way around, as marketed for decades. This is horrific. I kind of understand sibling rivalry, but this is just plain malicious. One thing to deal with media hype, it is another to actually live it out behind closed doors and wrong-foot your own brother like this.
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Post by india on Oct 7, 2020 13:57:56 GMT
William is one evil sick individual. He thought he had the right to torture his younger brother incessantly. What a monster! I hope there are major repercussion from this. I am so glad Battle of The Brothers is finally exposing the truth. We all suspected this about William. I can't wait to read it when it comes out on October 20th.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 8, 2020 23:18:35 GMT
Robert Lacey: Prince William & Harry have ‘so much pain and trauma’ |
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2020 22:33:26 GMT
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2020 22:35:11 GMT
Robert Lacey: Prince William & Harry have ‘so much pain and trauma’  |
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2020 22:38:50 GMT
Some Celebitchy comments:
JT says:
October 8, 2020 at 10:56 am
William hasn’t been prepared for his role as king other than saying he will be king. His insecurity and the embiggening articles come from the fact that he is unprepared and everyone knows it. He’s been coasting his entire life, raging at everyone and it’s time to cash that check now that Harry is gone. This is why they need Harry to carry the monarchy and have been begging him to come back. Did anyone catch that army officer saying how much them military community needs him on the heels of Will potentially replacing Harry? The RF and the BM know that Will and Kate are severely lacking and it’s going to get harder to cover it up.
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lanne says:
October 8, 2020 at 11:38 am
The RF is in exactly the position they deserve to be. They lost their 2 best ambassadors of their own doing, and I believe they know that, and they are panicking. This entire situation has been grossly mismanaged, from the Queen (who needs to retire–she’s done her duty) to Charles (more concerned with his own position and popularity than his sons) to the courtiers (a bunch of racist, passive-aggressive “plus royale que le roi” types who think seniority and badges on their coats mean everything and lack the ability to function in a 21st century world). I think they all know that William and Kate can’t handle their roles on their own, but their petty jealousy has gotten them exactly what they asked for. They want to be King and Queen to be fawned over and bowed to, but they don’t want any of the responsibility of the job.
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2020 22:39:31 GMT
More CB:
Amy Bee says:
October 8, 2020 at 10:54 am
I’ll continue to say that I think the closeness between Harry a William is a myth. They haven’t been close for a very long time and when Diana died, there was no one to prevent the Royal Family from treating Harry as an inferior to William.
All Harry wanted was to be in the Army and to do charity work on the side, the Royal Family didn’t want that, so he had to leave.
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Mignionette says:
October 8, 2020 at 11:21 am
I don’t think it is a myth. I think Harry loved Bill and knew he manipulated him but loved him just the same. That’s what kept them bonded. I do believe however that the scales fell off his eyes when his brother endangered both his wife and unborn child. At that point Harry had his heart broken but grew up and took back is power. The less than 100% compliance would have been seen as an attack by a narc like Bill. In some senses Meg and Harry’s backgrounds are so similar that it’s understanding they found solace in each other.
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Amy Bee says:
October 8, 2020 at 11:37 am
Nah, the scales fell off a long time ago. Remember, Harry was always portrayed as the bad prince and William was the good prince long before Meghan came on the scene. He was always used by the family including William as the scapegoat and was never protected by the family. I just think having a family just gave him the confidence to do what he wanted to for a very long time and that was to leave the family.
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2020 22:40:49 GMT
And even more CB:
Seraphina says:
October 8, 2020 at 10:55 am
It really is a shame how this relationship has come to this point. I agree that their upbringing must have really scarred them: one has a divine ordained purpose in life and the other is left to figure it out and used as a scapegoat. I would love to hear a psychological view on that type of child rearing and it’s implications within the family. Add to it that they lost a loving mother who understood the balance they needed. I know Diana had her faults, but losing a caring and loving mother is enough to deal with at a young age and added the toxic environment of the BRF…..not too surprising how we have come to this.
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Oh says:
October 8, 2020 at 12:02 pm
“It really is a shame how this relationship has come to this point” Looool RF and the British people loved Harry when he was their clown, even when he did horrible things like wearing a Nazi costume , they still loved him , and I didn’t see someone demanding him to lose his title at that time – -and yes, I know he was not the Duke of Sussex at that time but no one was asking him to lose His Royal Highness- … William used to love Harry when Harry was mess without a goal. When Meghan coming on the scene, everything changed … If William was a nice person and welcomed Meghan as a sister he never had, like what Harry did for kate I’m sure the situation will change now … I just feel sorry for Meghan , it hurts when your husband’s family treats you as a foreign intruder
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Seraphina says:
October 8, 2020 at 12:40 pm
@oh, I meant more of a brotherly connection relationship. I have a brother and as we have grown older, we have been there for one another and we have become even closer and grown to value one another.
bluemoonhorse says:
October 8, 2020 at 12:06 pm
Add in a distant father, a grandmother matriarch who despised your mother, and an abusive grandpa. Dysfunction station.
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SKF says:
October 9, 2020 at 6:25 am
Yeah my colleague and friend went to Eton and was in Harry’s house. He said that when William was there, a constant fuss was made over him and he had a large security detail all around the school. When William left, the fuss and security all left. Harry has his very small detail (essentially one person I think?) and that’s it. He apparently wryly commented on it a fair bit, how he was the “extra”, the unimportant one, the one no one cared about. His family and everyone else drummed it into him his whole life – that his brother was special and he was not and he basically lived to support his brother. That would definitely mess you, and your dynamic with your extra special brother up.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 13, 2020 0:51:40 GMT
The BRF had their chance when they had Meg on board; all that had to be done was let Meg and Harry carry on, but first of course, connect with the UK and then end up going global, but only AFTER their presence was firmly established in the UK. The only real flaw that Meg had was her determination to be as global as Princess Di, but even Diana had to cover the UK before she was able to really get the leverage to do more global work in her own right. I think that if there was any friction, it was because Meg was (wrongly) determined to be a global player despite resigning her UN Ambassadorship and making the mistake that thinking that she would be allowed to mingle with heads of state, without the stature. Meg also needed to be broken into how things were done in the palace and it is clear that she didn't quite understand that you can't just snap fingers and get what you want. All the palace had to do was put a stop to Kate's troublemaking and STOP William's pot shots at his brother via the press.
Exactly! He keeps going on about being future King, but he is not at all prepared and it is clear that he is losing ground by the hour. At this age, he is close to being a first British Prince to be grossly uneducated and horribly unprepared and has zero connection to the public and perhaps even the elite is sick of him as well.
Exactly. HM clearly has lost control of her family and no one really listens to her (not that she even tries to speak up) and Charles is fixated on making Camilla Queen Consort. The courtiers are worked up about small stuff, while worrying less about the fact that the BRF is on bad terms with the public and it is clear that they cannot stop the Middletons from looting the very palace storage facilities that hold priceless antiques and who knows what else they've taken. The BRF is out of control and for some reason, HM refuses to give Charles the power, authority, and backing to clean that mess up and make it easier for the monarchy (and the nation that depends on them) move along. At the risk of being flamed, HM seems psychologically incapable of holding herself together anymore.
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Post by Admin on Oct 13, 2020 1:44:33 GMT
The BRF had their chance when they had Meg on board; all that had to be done was let Meg and Harry carry on, but first of course, connect with the UK and then end up going global, but only AFTER their presence was firmly established in the UK. The only real flaw that Meg had was her determination to be as global as Princess Di, but even Diana had to cover the UK before she was able to really get the leverage to do more global work in her own right. I think that if there was any friction, it was because Meg was (wrongly) determined to be a global player despite resigning her UN Ambassadorship and making the mistake that thinking that she would be allowed to mingle with heads of state, without the stature. Meg also needed to be broken into how things were done in the palace and it is clear that she didn't quite understand that you can't just snap fingers and get what you want. All the palace had to do was put a stop to Kate's troublemaking and STOP William's pot shots at his brother via the press.
Exactly! He keeps going on about being future King, but he is not at all prepared and it is clear that he is losing ground by the hour. At this age, he is close to being a first British Prince to be grossly uneducated and horribly unprepared and has zero connection to the public and perhaps even the elite is sick of him as well.
Exactly. HM clearly has lost control of her family and no one really listens to her (not that she even tries to speak up) and Charles is fixated on making Camilla Queen Consort. The courtiers are worked up about small stuff, while worrying less about the fact that the BRF is on bad terms with the public and it is clear that they cannot stop the Middletons from looting the very palace storage facilities that hold priceless antiques and who knows what else they've taken. The BRF is out of control and for some reason, HM refuses to give Charles the power, authority, and backing to clean that mess up and make it easier for the monarchy (and the nation that depends on them) move along. At the risk of being flamed, HM seems psychologically incapable of holding herself together anymore.
Nobody would flame you here for stating your opinions. Thanks for posting! Lanne is wrong, though, about the 2 best ambassadors (bit of a stretch there), but it's very clear things are severely and have been unraveling for ages and backing the Cambs is not the way to go. You are so right about certain things going on behind the scenes and that HM and Charles clearly don't have their priorities in order. What the Middletons are allegedly doing is atrocious, too, but they are using Hapless Billy for all they can squeeze out of him. Rotten souls. |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 16, 2020 4:24:32 GMT
I believe that much of this comes down to the fact that neither were raised or trained or educated to end up being adults. They were allowed to get mixed up in with the media and regrettably were not (forcibly in needed) made to toe the line.' Harry was never required to complete his education via a degree (in one form or another) and he was never MADE to live on base while in the military. I understand other officers get homes of their own, but Harry is someone who basically should have been made to make sacrifices and not jet off to Las Vegas and other posh clubs. Harry also made the same bad choice as his brother, thinking that it was an obligation for women to ship themselves in for 'inspection' and seeing how they put up with press abuse. Decent young women are out working and building their own lives and meeting/marrying decent young men. They are not messing with fire by risking the best years of their lives on a proposal that might or might not happen.
As for William, he is out of control. He made the horrific choice to treat his brother as second class and mistreat Meg via press abuse and who knows what else in regards to what went on behind closed doors. He also was allowed to domineer over his brother in ways that were out of line, while expecting his brother to meekly accept being a whipping post.
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Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2020 22:05:03 GMT
I believe that much of this comes down to the fact that neither were raised or trained or educated to end up being adults. They were allowed to get mixed up in with the media and regrettably were not (forcibly in needed) made to toe the line.' Harry was never required to complete his education via a degree (in one form or another) and he was never MADE to live on base while in the military. I understand other officers get homes of their own, but Harry is someone who basically should have been made to make sacrifices and not jet off to Las Vegas and other posh clubs. Harry also made the same bad choice as his brother, thinking that it was an obligation for women to ship themselves in for 'inspection' and seeing how they put up with press abuse. Decent young women are out working and building their own lives and meeting/marrying decent young men. They are not messing with fire by risking the best years of their lives on a proposal that might or might not happen.
As for William,he is out of control. He made the horrific choice to treat his brother as second class and mistreat Meg via press abuse and who knows what else in regards to what went on behind closed doors. He also was allowed to domineer over his brother in ways that were out of line, while expecting his brother to meekly accept being a whipping post.
I can't for the life of me understand why the British RF has remained rather archaic in it's standards yet sloughed off considerably by not ensuring these men were raised with a sense of duty towards others; a mor@l obligation, a sense of noblesse oblige, even. Sure, they are not the only daft princes out there, but standards for the BRF certainly haven't evolved with the times. I wonder why that is? Nobility and royalty in, for instance, mainland Europe and elsewhere seem to have a sense of duty, discretion or quietly live their lives away from the glare of the celebrity limelight. We have colossally spoiled, angry, and mean little b#tch "princes" who have no care for anything but how THEY are feeling each and every moment. Their lives are not so tragic; they have not gone through anything that millions of other children have not gone through. Nobody jumps on the sympathy bandwagon for THEM, but we are supposed to feel for Willy and Harry because their mother unfortunately died almost 30 years back? Tired of working their mother's life and legacy into their own pity party narratives. Grow up and get over yourselves, boys. |
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Post by kueifei on Oct 17, 2020 0:23:08 GMT
Quite honestly, the biggest misstep that has been made was when the BRF became to British-centric and wouldn't get to know their own empire. All that was done is that they mooched off of the taxes that they demanded be paid. Neither William or Harry were required to go overseas for their education and spend time in various Commonwealth countries. William was encouraged to be in Britain instead of the US or any other one of the sixteen Commonwealth countries and get to know the wider world. Harry was allowed to get away with frequenting the London clubs and after William graduated, his entire life was centered on clubbing with his 'military service' as an afterthought. His mai focus was burying himself in Kate's skirts and unfortunately the world watched, the heads of state around the world watched. Harry was even more neglected.
Yet, a huge problem with this is this idea that the spare is supposed to be the whipping post of the elder brother and his consort. I think Harry leaving was the best possible solution and he does seem better off. Clearly William and Kate, like most abusers, didn't think the abused would have the guts to walk and never come back. It also didn't occur to William and Kate that Harry had had more than enough and had gotten fed up not just with the public narrative, but the BS that was going on behind closed doors. I do think that WK acted out the press narrative behind closed doors, making one joke after another, teasing Harry and Meg about 'their place,' and it wouldn't surprise me if Kate demanded a curtsy from Meg (and got it) and ended up pulling rank at every chance. Precedence, deference, and snide 'jokes' at various times.
Now William is without his whipping post and Kate is without her scapegoat and it is clear that both are unsure on how to handle this. William gets worked up over Harry's business ventures and Kate continues to preen about being the favorite of the tabloids, but even that will fade once the new latest hot thing comes along. Even the aristos are no longer really hiding their contempt for her and after that TATLER lawsuit, it is clear that there won't be any more sincere deference. Cool courtesy will be the attitude of the day, if she is EVER invited to anything after all of this.
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Post by romilly on Oct 20, 2020 5:57:04 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 20, 2020 7:47:30 GMT
This has actually been an eye--opener; up until the pandemic, the media was fawning all the time about how glorious and brave and dutiful William was and the comments were instep with all of it. Now the comments are getting worse and I daresay it's about time! He is still making stupid calls and either distracting medical workers to make asinine calls to give asinine, condescending 'thanks.' If I were a medical worker who was overworked and dealing with an apocalyptic situation, I would not want some alcohol soaked dolt 'congratulating' or 'thanking' me as if either carried any real weight or significance. Kate calling up the medical workers is just stupid since she likely hasn't the foggiest idea that her title isn't substantial enough for a phone call to even mean anything to anyone and it's not like they do it on the sly, they insist on telling the press.
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Post by Admin on Oct 25, 2020 16:37:01 GMT
www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/10/royal-tabloid-controversies-robert-lacey-battle-of-brothers#intcid=_vanity-fair-bottom-recirc_77f839c0-9773-4152-b981-1f5aae5288ea_text2vec1 "William and Harry were both wild partiers in high school. In the early 2000s, Harry had a reputation for being an out-of-control partier, a period Lacey returns to when trying to figure out when William and Harry first began to fight. William was responsible for turning the basement at Highgrove House into what Lacey calls a “disco rumpus room” called Club H, pouring Harry his first shots, and introducing him to marijuana at Eton, though Harry did continue to party after William graduated. Insiders who spoke to Lacey said that Harry resented that William never got the type of negative headlines he did, and was even convinced that Charles’s press officer was feeding the stories to newspapers to make him look bad." "Harry did give the palace 10 minutes notice before announcing their royal exit, leading to acrimony and meltdown in the palace. According to Lacey, emotions ran high inside the summit where Harry would negotiate his future with William, Charles, the queen, and a few aides. William was so angry that he refused to join for lunch beforehand, and told friends that he didn’t want to be around to hash out the details. However, a palace insider told Lacey that the decision to strip Harry of all his palace-bestowed honors, like honorary military appointments, was not inevitable and may have been the result of vindictiveness on behalf of Young, the queen’s palace secretary. It also wasn’t inevitable that they be stripped of their ability to use their HRH titles or royal status in order to seek financial independence, but Lacey believes that their impulsive behavior over the last year had made the queen less forgiving than she might have been when she made her decision."
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton