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Post by romilly on Sept 5, 2021 7:24:25 GMT
Both Pippa and Meghan bear a strong resemblance to Wallis. In many ways her character similar too.
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Post by india on Sept 5, 2021 12:01:33 GMT
Pippa definitely.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 20, 2021 5:43:56 GMT
I remember watching "The Crown" and in it, Edward explained why he was a supporter of Chamberlain and Hitler and I find it intriguing. No one thought the Holocaust was possible since that kind of organized, industrial mass slaughter was inconceivable. No one other than Hitler or Himmler could have conceived of it and no one other than Eichmann could have carried it out. Then there was the Great War (WWI) and no one wanted another like it. Antisemitism was fashionable and socially acceptable by the upper and lower levels and so it was just there. Not to mention the increasing belief that Edward VIII did do spying and he was sent to the Bahamas to prevent him from being kidnapped. The entire vendetta against Edward VIII was personal mainly since QM was eternally resentful that Edward VIII didn't want to marry her. That somehow Edward VIII owed her a ring and power and he didn't. Then there is the fact that after he was overthrown, he didn't owe anything to the British nation. You can't have it both ways with an overthrown person being driven out, but still doing the same work and making the same sacrifices.
As for Wallis, she was born at the top of the social heap or she NEVER would have ended up getting close to Edward VIII to become his mistress.
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Post by cheryl on Nov 21, 2021 23:40:48 GMT
Edward, like all Windsor men was a weak one. He would have been useless as King. Far too self indulgent, much like Charles is.
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Post by Admin on Dec 15, 2021 14:18:44 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10307757/Edward-VIIIs-1936-abdication-thing-Wallis-Simpson-wanted-says-royal-author.htmlEdward VIII's 1936 abdication was 'the last thing' Wallis Simpson wanted but he had 'a ferocious, obsessive love for her and was never going to let her go', says royal author Anna Pasternak Edward VIII's abdication was apparently the 'last thing' Wallis Simpson wanted British royal author Anna Pasternak told People that it was Edward's bold move Anna claimed Edward had 'a ferocious, obsessive love' for the American socialite By JESSICA GREEN FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 11:09 EST, 14 December 2021 | UPDATED: 11:34 EST, 14 December 2021 
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Post by kueifei on Dec 18, 2021 5:41:54 GMT
I resent how Wallis was called a social climber and for some deranged reason people think that she was low-class. She wasn't. She was not well treated by her family and her first husband nearly beat her to death and she ended up leaving him, which for a woman of her era, took guts. Then she was running with the British elite as a matter of course and as for gold-digging, women back then were almost forcibly banned from having careers. Wallis couldn't just waltz into an unemployment office. The American elite are far more politically powerful and far more anonymous and almost literally impossible to trace/track down/figure out. Wallis was far more better connected in terms of actual concrete power and put bluntly, people keep refusing to accept that the then Duchess of York had out of control ambition. I also think that if the British didn't have such an insanely uppity view of themselves, perhaps the monarchy would be more politically secure if they actually made something decent of themselves and they could court/marry upper class American women and also build better, more energetic lineage.
Edward VIII also made the misstep of not firing his father's ministers and appointing men of his own. If he had fired the former ministers/staff, then he would have had loyalists of his own and would have certainly been able to push back against his devious SIL and would have prevented himself from being overthrown. I find it bewildering that his parents let a psychopathic nanny raise/abuse him and his brother and nothing was done, until major damage was done. The biggest mistake that has ever been made was how Edward VIII was viewed bad because he wasn't this antiseptic mediocrity. His love of jazz, the cosmopolitan way of life was something that was an asset since all world leaders HAVE to be people of the world, not the suburban middle class. I dislike this trend where certain members of the upper class in fact prefer to be as mediocre as possible while at the same time, expecting deference and commanding respect. The Queen Mother was good at appearances, but other than that, she was a complete and utter failure. ]
Overthrowing Edward disrupted the natural progression and HM might well have had twenty extra years to be a wife/mother/heir and maybe even Margaret could have married Townsend. Then things would have remained stable and maybe Charles would have turned out better as well. Maybe Charles could have married Camilla despite Camilla's experience with men and certainly, the Diana era would have been avoided.
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Post by Admin on Dec 18, 2021 18:20:55 GMT
people.com/royals/wallis-simpson-convenient-scapegoat-king-edward-viii-abdication/People Exclusive Wallis Simpson, 'Convenient Scapegoat': Inside the 'Annihilating Burden' of King Edward's Love On December 11, 1936, King Edward VIII announced he was abdicating the throne to marry Wallis Simpson — read from the biography that sheds fresh insight on one of history's most vilified women By Simon Perry December 11, 2021 10:00 AM
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Post by kueifei on Dec 22, 2021 19:23:59 GMT
I wish Edward VIII had exposed the machinations of the Queen Mother. HE might have saved his Crown and might have kept things stable and moved the monarchical system away from emulating middle class mediocrity. Realistically, he was a better king for the position of king rather than his enthralled brother. At least Edward was enthralled to someone who was genuinely upper class and connected to REAL power that could have saved the UK a lot sooner.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2021 14:17:52 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Jan 14, 2022 7:27:02 GMT
I think it was unfair to view Wallis as a loser, or Edward VIII as some loser. Wallis remains the epitome of the stylish lady and Edward is being exposed as a man more sinned against than sinning.
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Post by Admin on Jan 14, 2022 14:20:22 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Jan 14, 2022 16:20:11 GMT
Before anyone knew that the Holocaust was about to go down, everyone wanted a peaceful resolution. No one wanted war, no one wanted conflict, and no one knew that Hitler would follow through on his deranged vision of industrial extermination.
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Post by Admin on Jan 15, 2022 0:10:03 GMT
I think it was unfair to view Wallis as a loser, or Edward VIII as some loser. Wallis remains the epitome of the stylish lady and Edward is being exposed as a man more sinned against than sinning. People are still going by what the impression of them was in 1936/37, you name it. I always like to dig underneath the surface and find out what may have been hidden about these kind of people - the scapegoats, the villified, the forgotten, you name it. It's usually a much different take or story that what has been accepted as the full on truth. I think it's time to start maybe viewing them in another light? A fairer one softened by the years and a review of the parties involved who villified and exiled them. Life and people are never black/white, but varying shades of grey.  |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 15, 2022 0:23:59 GMT
You know, when Edward and others met Hitler before WWII, there was nothing odd about a new government regime and no one knew how bad it would be. People at the top always mix/mingle and Hitler had made it to the top and so he was received accordingly. I also do not think that anyone was clued into the reality of the fact that Hitler was serious about his plan of mass industrialized extermination. He had no real imposing appearance and as far as anyone knew, his inner circle was full of silly looking men who were kind of strays from nowhere. Hitler's grand vision of a grand Germany was par the course of all political rhetoric and antisemitism was wrong, but it was par the course in the upper echelons. That kind of discrimination was socially acceptable and while wrong, it was what it was then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 16:59:53 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 27, 2022 17:17:52 GMT
Wallis was a victim of her era and a victim of the men in her life.
Meg is not.
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Post by sanka on Jun 4, 2023 2:46:16 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2023 13:21:16 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Jun 7, 2023 0:31:09 GMT
Maybe the BRF banned her from Edward. Supposedly HME was visiting and had been brainwashed to loathe Wallis and Edward.
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Post by sanka on Aug 24, 2023 7:28:40 GMT
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tale BS.
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