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Post by kueifei on Jan 26, 2021 18:27:02 GMT
I do honestly believe that she was still treated as an "HRH" since that is how people were used to treating her. By all accounts, she was already setting into the jet set way of life and that is not a good kind of life. She could have spent the first few weeks of her life as a divorcee quietly going over things and choosing to just chill and get her bearings and think long and hard about the kind of life she is going to lead given her drastically altered circumstances. She would have been much better off just choosing to do what she could do decompress and have a quiet breakdown inside her home and just somehow get some kind of mental and emotional balance that she previously lacked. She would have been been able to switch gears, adjust to no longer having any kind of official role in government/BRF and try to find a more meaningful life. I do think that she is someone who just did not want to chill, accept her reduced status, and adjust. She started going out as some sort of demi-royal and she would not accept that she was no longer what she used to be. I do believe that her running around seeking charity work and conferences with heads of state is something that is pathetic since before her divorce, she was accepted as an almost equal. Her actions post-divorce in regards to seeking some kind of newly created third version, where she was not an "HRH" or plain celebrity is something that regrettably paved the way for entertainers to seek positions that they are not educated, trained, or really temperamentally suited for. Diana trying to maintain that access while not really having any concrete right to it is something that set a bad precedent. Diana at that point in time was NOT a royal princess, she was a titled Lady, Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor and regrettably it inspired entertainers to think that they too should be able to skip over education and training and also putting in graft to prove themselves. Diana must have truly thought that she had the right to just give the double finger to education, training, and late nights at an office (it is NOT the same as charity conferences) and not tipping off the press on whim. She would have to skip jet set vacations, movie premieres, and she would have had to skip self destructive habits and I am not sure that she would have handled a lot of pressures badly.
Given the decisions she was making, she was headed into a seedier way of life that was something that she should have known better than to get mixed up with. Toying with Hasnat, then toying with Dodi to make Hasnat jealous (which did not work) and it is clear that she really was still behaving like a Daisy Buchanan (Great Gatsby) who went though life without thinking of the mess she would leave behind.
It really frustrates me that she made the bad choices that she did because she really didn't realize that as an ex-official consort, she really did not GET IT that she was not really in a place to have conferences with any head of state. It was not her place to really have much, since she had to real place on the world stage except as a pop cultural icon and it is clear that she was at a point where she really should NOT have been chasing meetings with heads of state and should NOT have been drumming up appearances like some star who was either having a PR crisis or on a downward slide in terms of a career. Like I said, she had two directions to go in, either the jet set life or the life of an upper class socialite who kept her business to herself and lived quietly and sought a new stable routine. It was NOT her place to try to create some new situation that is completely out of thin air and she had no right to try to bully her way into that status without education and actual training. If she had just taken full responsibility and stopped playing games, she would still be alive and would still be at a point where she would be a part of the lives of her sons. She irritates me to no end since it is clear that she really did think that she had a right to a position that did not exist. She was a lot like her ancestor the Duchess of Devonshire, who for reasons I do not know, never really grew up and stopped the self destructive choices.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 26, 2021 20:51:13 GMT
I do honestly believe that she was still treated as an "HRH" since that is how people were used to treating her. By all accounts, she was already setting into the jet set way of life and that is not a good kind of life. She could have spent the first few weeks of her life as a divorcee quietly going over things and choosing to just chill and get her bearings and think long and hard about the kind of life she is going to lead given her drastically altered circumstances. She would have been much better off just choosing to do what she could do decompress and have a quiet breakdown inside her home and just somehow get some kind of mental and emotional balance that she previously lacked. She would have been been able to switch gears, adjust to no longer having any kind of official role in government/BRF and try to find a more meaningful life. I do think that she is someone who just did not want to chill, accept her reduced status, and adjust. She started going out as some sort of demi-royal and she would not accept that she was no longer what she used to be. I do believe that her running around seeking charity work and conferences with heads of state is something that is pathetic since before her divorce, she was accepted as an almost equal. Her actions post-divorce in regards to seeking some kind of newly created third version, where she was not an "HRH" or plain celebrity is something that regrettably paved the way for entertainers to seek positions that they are not educated, trained, or really temperamentally suited for. Diana trying to maintain that access while not really having any concrete right to it is something that set a bad precedent. Diana at that point in time was NOT a royal princess, she was a titled Lady, Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor and regrettably it inspired entertainers to think that they too should be able to skip over education and training and also putting in graft to prove themselves. Diana must have truly thought that she had the right to just give the double finger to education, training, and late nights at an office (it is NOT the same as charity conferences) and not tipping off the press on whim. She would have to skip jet set vacations, movie premieres, and she would have had to skip self destructive habits and I am not sure that she would have handled a lot of pressures badly.
Given the decisions she was making, she was headed into a seedier way of life that was something that she should have known better than to get mixed up with. Toying with Hasnat, then toying with Dodi to make Hasnat jealous (which did not work) and it is clear that she really was still behaving like a Daisy Buchanan (Great Gatsby) who went though life without thinking of the mess she would leave behind.
It really frustrates me that she made the bad choices that she did because she really didn't realize that as an ex-official consort, she really did not GET IT that she was not really in a place to have conferences with any head of state. It was not her place to really have much, since she had to real place on the world stage except as a pop cultural icon and it is clear that she was at a point where she really should NOT have been chasing meetings with heads of state and should NOT have been drumming up appearances like some star who was either having a PR crisis or on a downward slide in terms of a career. Like I said, she had two directions to go in, either the jet set life or the life of an upper class socialite who kept her business to herself and lived quietly and sought a new stable routine. It was NOT her place to try to create some new situation that is completely out of thin air and she had no right to try to bully her way into that status without education and actual training. If she had just taken full responsibility and stopped playing games, she would still be alive and would still be at a point where she would be a part of the lives of her sons. She irritates me to no end since it is clear that she really did think that she had a right to a position that did not exist. She was a lot like her ancestor the Duchess of Devonshire, who for reasons I do not know, never really grew up and stopped the self destructive choices.
If those same heads of states didn’t want her there or invite her then she wouldn’t have gone. You can place blame on them. Diana had the publicity and she reached places not even presidents could. She grew so much awareness in AIDS, Landmines and even Leprosy. But I do agree she found it hard to adjust after being an ex HRH. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 27, 2021 7:11:34 GMT
She was a part of a very different age. During that time, yes, but regrettably, I believe that after a few other administrations, she would have been seen as some other type of person and while she would get air time, she would have been more sidelined as time went by and she would have been unable to charm/manipulate a new generation of diplomats and politicians. After 9/11, if she had been still alive, she would have had to deal with the fact that they would not have at all had time to listen to her latest trendy cause or perspective and it has been clear that she would have struggled with less air time, less attention as things went by. Being mother of a future monarch would have over time been less important, just as William's impending status has become less important. These days the royals do not get primary focus anymore and it is clear that Diana would have struggled with the increasing reality that no one really had patience for her anymore. With the internet and over two new generations since she died, she is not the force that she actually used to be. If she had continued to have flings to make Hasnat or someone else jealous, it is clear that she would have ended up with the inability to really improve her life. After some point, perhaps a President or diplomat would have been uninterested in spending time with her since they had nations to run and as Charles continued to live his life, there is no real way that she would have been able to handle Camilla's ascension in any easy way. She likely would have lashed out and continued to be on fragile terms with the palace and I do think that she would have continued a downward slide. I do not think she would have ended up with the life of some roving ambassador since there is no real such thing and as I said, when she was and "HRH" she was just that, a roving ambassador. I do not think she would have ended up successfully creating and carving out that kind of role for herself and to be honest, she slid down to celebrity activist status and that would have removed any special distinctions that she used to have even further.
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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2021 14:20:47 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9354653/Resurfaced-clip-Princess-Dianas-interview-sparks-astonishing-comparisons-Meghan-Markle.htmlResurfaced clip of Princess Diana saying she lacked 'supporters' within royal household because they saw her as a 'threat' during Panorama interview sparks comparisons to Meghan Markle Clip shared to Twitter by US filmmaker Ava DuVernay in wake of Oprah interview Late princess felt 'establishment' she married into decided she was 'non-starter' One Twitter user said they thought of Diana interview throughout Meghan's chat By HAYLEY RICHARDSON FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 06:32 EST, 12 March 2021 | UPDATED: 07:26 EST, 12 March 2021 A resurfaced clip of Princess Diana's infamous interview with Martin Bashir in which she discusses feeling 'unsupported' by the royal 'establishment' has sparked comparisons to Meghan Markle's bombshell sit-down with Oprah Winfrey.
The Duchess of Sussex told the chat show host she 'couldn't be left alone' and confessed she 'didn't want to be alive anymore' before claiming the Buckingham Palace HR department ignored her plea for help because she wasn't a 'paid employee'.
She claimed she was 'silenced' by Buckingham Palace officials, who told her to always answer 'no comment' because they would 'protect' her, adding: 'It was only once we were married and everything started to really worsen that I came to understand that not only was I not being protected but that they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family, but they weren't willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband.'
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Post by india on Mar 12, 2021 15:06:12 GMT
Diana's interview shows the world what the truth is about how the RF treats people who don't conform. This is right in line with what Meghan said. It is the truth. The RF are liars, racists and hateful people. They did everything to Meghan exactly as she said. She's got evidence. I hope it is secreted away. And I know that they would love to get to her in the Alma Tunnel in Paris. God help Meghan. Please protect her.
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Post by purple1 on Mar 12, 2021 18:11:02 GMT
Diana's interview shows the world what the truth is about how the RF treats people who don't conform. This is right in line with what Meghan said. It is the truth. The RF are liars, racists and hateful people. They did everything to Meghan exactly as she said. She's got evidence. I hope it is secreted away. And I know that they would love to get to her in the Alma Tunnel in Paris. God help Meghan. Please protect her. I’m a firm believer that the royals being exposed is all God’s doing. I don’t think the monarchy will survive. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2021 18:22:51 GMT
Diana's interview shows the world what the truth is about how the RF treats people who don't conform. This is right in line with what Meghan said. It is the truth. The RF are liars, racists and hateful people. They did everything to Meghan exactly as she said. She's got evidence. I hope it is secreted away. And I know that they would love to get to her in the Alma Tunnel in Paris. God help Meghan. Please protect her. I’m a firm believer that the royals being exposed is all God’s doing. I don’t think the monarchy will survive. You may be surprised why. |
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Post by kueifei on Mar 13, 2021 0:34:07 GMT
Diana's interview shows the world what the truth is about how the RF treats people who don't conform. This is right in line with what Meghan said. It is the truth. The RF are liars, racists and hateful people. They did everything to Meghan exactly as she said. She's got evidence. I hope it is secreted away. And I know that they would love to get to her in the Alma Tunnel in Paris. God help Meghan. Please protect her.
Diana couldn't conform since Diana was not mediocre or antiseptic. She did not behave as if the UK is head of a grand imperial empire and the UK is not. The BRF refuses to face or accept this and it is clear that she was a reminder of that. Diana did not fit their image of themselves as a family presiding over a grand imperial empire, so Diana was mistreated. One characteristic is how Charles wanted a dimwitted, virgin bride, but after he got her and she was determined to be a good mother, she got flack for it by staff who should have known their place. No hired help has ANY business lecturing their employer (which is what Diana was) over anything, much less parenting, and it is clear that the staff thought that they were staff to a family presiding over a grand imperial empire. Diana shattered that mindset and of course, the BRF freaked out. Charles had problems accepting that he wasn't heir to a vast imperil empire and as a result, should have been making a sincere effort over his marriage and making sure his wife/kids were being treated as more than accessories grateful to eat any dirt that he saw fit to kick in their faces. He always wanted to look down on Diana and he never at all would chill out and be the kind of man that would stop being so psychotically fixated on propriety.
That fun dance that Diana did for Charles was not done in front of the general public (I think that would have been too much), but it was for their own set and it was something that was a way of Diana showing off what Charles had and no man really would. He then goes to the wrong person (Camilla) for guidance on his marriage problems (a bonehead move if there ever was one) and it would have been obvious that a mistress isn't the one a man should go to if he is having serious marital problems. I mean really, that much should have been obvious. I do not know if Charles quite understood what that was doing to his young wife's mental health and the mantra of 'carrying on' and inflating the actual status of the BRF is something that was bad mentally and emotionally. The BRF exists with it's own addition issues, most noticeably an inflated view that lasts until the ugly reality kicks in and the kind of frustration and anger that kicks in once someone faces the reality of their own mediocrity. The BRF has had serious problems facing the fact that they are NOT the imperial family that they used to be and they clearly have problems living with themselves. Diana was special in so many ways and reminded the BRF that in many ways, they were not special or personally exceptional.
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Post by purple1 on Mar 13, 2021 13:07:40 GMT
Yep Diana was and still is special and they hate the fact she out royals them.
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Post by kueifei on Mar 14, 2021 0:50:11 GMT
Thing is, that as wife, Diana should NOT have been expected to care about how the mistress felt about anything. I mean really, if a woman signs on to being a sidepiece, she has no business mentioning the wife, much less asking her lover to chastise the wife for getting good press.For some psychotic reason, Charles worried about Camilla's feelings than Diana's success. Every new success meant that Diana was successfully mainstreaming the monarchy and kind of making it easier for the monarchy to mingle while at the same time maintaining boundaries and general decorum. She had an innate dignity that reminded people of the importance of boundaries and preferred to be a princess as a princess should be; she dressed perfectly for each locale/culture and it is clear that she loved the travel and kudos (as EVERY woman who marries in does). I also think that she (and others) preferred a less antiseptic approach. As for ordering staff around dictatorially., OF COURSE she's going to do that, since that is what the staff is there for, to do as they are told!
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Post by Admin on Apr 2, 2021 14:19:47 GMT
www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1418165/princess-diana-musical-netflix-release-date-controversy-royal-news-latest-ontAside: Diana, the musical? There were 3...in this opening dance number?Diana: The Musical gets Netflix release date amid rumours of controversial scenes NETFLIX is set to release a musical based on the life of the late Princess Diana later this year. By OLIVER TRAPNELL PUBLISHED: 04:28, Fri, Apr 2, 2021 | UPDATED: 07:57, Fri, Apr 2, 2021 It is set to launch on the world’s largest subscription-based streaming platform on October 1, 2021.
The biographical show will debut on Broadway in December when live-audiences are allowed to return to theatres.
In a statement, the production said: “The chance to share our show, first with Netflix’s global audience, and then welcoming a live audience back on Broadway, is something we’ve all been dreaming about for more than a year.
“We could not be more thrilled to finally share both the film and the Broadway musical with the world.”
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Post by kueifei on Apr 3, 2021 5:51:41 GMT
This is kind of funny?
Will there be reenactments of Diana puking in a toilet bowl, maybe in a ballet style arc of her back and maybe waving her hands instead of clutching the bowl? Or will she be singing psychotic operettas in lieu of screaming obscenities during the part that depicts her harassment of the Hoare family?
That said, I kind of resent how Diana is now getting even more coverage despite the fact that she has been dead for nearly thirty years now. I just want to vent, to be honest.
I am really feeling resentment over the fact that she had it SO GOOD, but was never willing to pull together and maintain her mental health. She was sick, but she could have pulled herself together and made more of an effort. She was not at all equipped to deal with that antiseptic family, but I sincerely think that if she had been more proactive and personally responsible, that she would stop lashing out at Charles who was part of the problem, but not the root cause of her main issues. I mean really, where was Diana in all of this when she was harassing Hoare, or wrecking the Carling marriage, or screwing the King of Spain who was married to Queen Sofia. Diana was unhappy about being cheated on, but she soon started up with many men who were married men and damaged the wives who she mistreated. I honestly think that I am frustrated thinking about all her resources and her refusal to use them constructively. I am mentally ill myself and I daresay that she didn't have to experience restrictions on time or resources and she didn't even have to wait in line to see anyone.
I am angry that she seemed to revel in being a victim as well. A victim dressed in couture, loaded up with jewels before she was twenty-one, and she was someone who could buy two pairs of every show in her wardrobe in order to avoid having shoes that were too scuffed in public and she was someone who had never really had to work. She led a wonderfully advantaged life and had a great time living it up. Her supporters who support her loony behavior during her post-divorce life mentioned how she hadn't had her fun, but let's be realistic, she did have fun getting the VIP treatment and was in fact living a limitless life as a princess consort. She surely wasn't 'not' having fun while going on private jets and shopping sprees and time with her children and on plush trips.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2021 18:11:23 GMT
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Post by india on Apr 4, 2021 22:05:46 GMT
Why is this coming out now? Because of Harry's interview with Oprah?
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Post by kueifei on Apr 14, 2021 15:45:54 GMT
I think it's coming out since no month is complete without a "Diana the Victim" headline. Ever since The Crown, the world has been regularly reminded of how a 36 year old high school dropout of no exceptional accomplishments before marriage lived an unhappy life in palaces and private jets and couture and priceless ancestral jewels. Then there was the daily crucifixion of haute cuisine, limos, private black cars, and helicopters and limitless staff and endless money to throw at designers and the fawning headlines. Then invitations to events that most do not even know about (and never will) and then there is the fact of the misery of top level security. I mean really, she NEVER had a shot at a good life. Throw in the memberships to clubs that most do not know exist and we are dealing with a real human tragedy.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 17:09:02 GMT
I think it's coming out since no month is complete without a "Diana the Victim" headline. Ever since The Crown, the world has been regularly reminded of how a 36 year old high school dropout of no exceptional accomplishments before marriage lived an unhappy life in palaces and private jets and couture and priceless ancestral jewels. Then there was the daily crucifixion of haute cuisine, limos, private black cars, and helicopters and limitless staff and endless money to throw at designers and the fawning headlines. Then invitations to events that most do not even know about (and never will) and then there is the fact of the misery of top level security. I mean really, she NEVER had a shot at a good life. Throw in the memberships to clubs that most do not know exist and we are dealing with a real human tragedy. I like how you put it all - it is a human tragedy, isn't it?  Shame she was never able to break out of that sense of victimhood. |
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Post by kueifei on Apr 14, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
Thanks.
You know, it steams me mad that people think Diana lived a life of disadvantage and deprivation. Thing is, that if not for her wealth, if not for her connections, she would be no different than any other loser who ended up in the gutter due to dropping out of school and indulging in one self destructive act after another. She didn't feel like completing her education or completing her marriage so she threw both away and didn't even feel like improving herself after her marriage to a man who enjoyed reading and other cultural cultivation. If she had made an effort at self improvement that she did at whining and self destructiveness, she would not have had that divorce and eventual accident. She ushered in the era of whining about one's lot being acceptable for hyper-privileged royals and how EVERYONE i supposed to commiserate with their lot in life.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2021 4:09:23 GMT
Thanks. You know, it steams me mad that people think Diana lived a life of disadvantage and deprivation. Thing is, that if not for her wealth, if not for her connections, she would be no different than any other loser who ended up in the gutter due to dropping out of school and indulging in one self destructive act after another. She didn't feel like completing her education or completing her marriage so she threw both away and didn't even feel like improving herself after her marriage to a man who enjoyed reading and other cultural cultivation. If she had made an effort at self improvement that she did at whining and self destructiveness, she would not have had that divorce and eventual accident. She ushered in the era of whining about one's lot being acceptable for hyper-privileged royals and how EVERYONE i supposed to commiserate with their lot in life. A lot of wasted potential - making it about her failed marriage and not how absolutely perfect she had it elsewhere - opportunity, acclaim, attention, super privilege, family, friends, never having to struggle or want for anything, etc. And yes, she was essentially a high school dropout/trust fund baby who slacked off. To have a smidgeon of what she was handed...I cannot understand the whining and self-destruction. She had choices and in some cases, blew them big time. |
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Post by india on Apr 28, 2021 10:55:36 GMT
Diana was a bright light but at the same time she was a very flawed person.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2021 12:41:41 GMT
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton