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Post by Admin on Aug 14, 2020 12:48:32 GMT
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 23:59:22 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 1, 2020 19:30:55 GMT
This is unreal and apparently her children will be getting titles as well.
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
This is unreal and apparently her children will be getting titles as well.
It's a travesty, actually. For instance, Marie Esmeralda is a REAL princess of Belgium - HER children don't get titles. It's not how it's done. And the old German name (before 1918) was Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha (nothing like not getting the family name right). Edit: Gee, I'm related to the members of this royal house - Should I apply for a title? This is getting outrageous: illegitimate children and those without ANY royal blood now expecting to get the prestige of titles. This world is going to hell in a hand basket... This is not setting a good precedent; hope the former King does appeal this.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 1, 2020 21:49:10 GMT
I just think that this sets a bad precedent. What if Delphine wants to be part of a family that doesn't want her? If she wants to go to family events or state events and isn't invited? She's getting legal recognition, that is great, but what about the personal aspects? This also creates a precedent for others to follow and it is clear that Delphine wasn't truthful when she said that all she wanted was recognition, but no titles.
It is also clear that politicians are now taking away the prerogatives of a Sovereign to decide titles and styles.
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2020 21:57:54 GMT
I just think that this sets a bad precedent. What if Delphine wants to be part of a family that doesn't want her? If she wants to go to family events or state events and isn't invited? She's getting legal recognition, that is great, but what about the personal aspects? This also creates a precedent for others to follow and it is clear that Delphine wasn't truthful when she said that all she wanted was recognition, but no titles. It is also clear that politicians are now taking away the prerogatives of a Sovereign to decide titles and styles. Call me judgmental and uptight, but since when was it noble to be a product of adultery? - yes, not HER fault; the deception and lies come from the parents. She has an equal right to inherit, which is fine, but nobody is "owed" the right to a HRH and title. For what? how are you representing your country? Oh, my mother screwed around with a married man? Ah, yes, the sink to the bottom...
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Post by kueifei on Oct 1, 2020 22:29:20 GMT
You know, this kind of pisses me off. She had full right to legal recognition, but it is clear that an "HRH" should be out of the question. Before the Victorian era, illegitimate kids were titled in their own right and welcomed with open arms by the nobility and did get plum positions and income and no one batted an eye. Thing is, that she was the stepdaughter of a BILLIONAIRE and he by all accounts was an active father, very involved and basically she had a plush life and enjoyed the best that a billionaire's daughter could enjoy. It is also clear that her 'art career' wouldn't be anywhere if not for that billionaire's money and support and it is clear to me that she threw a great life away. She was in fact a noble lady as it is and it is clear that she is pushing too far. The billionaire recently disowned her, but she will inherit a slice of his fortune anyway and it is disconcerting that it isn't enough for her. She threw away a loving, involved father for someone who keeps rejecting her.
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2020 22:45:01 GMT
You know, this kind of pisses me off. She had full right to legal recognition, but it is clear that an "HRH" should be out of the question. Before the Victorian era, illegitimate kids were titled in their own right and welcomed with open arms by the nobility and did get plum positions and income and no one batted an eye. Thing is, that she was the stepdaughter of a BILLIONAIRE and he by all accounts was an active father, very involved and basically she had a plush life and enjoyed the best that a billionaire's daughter could enjoy. It is also clear that her 'art career' wouldn't be anywhere if not for that billionaire's money and support and it is clear to me that she threw a great life away. She was in fact a noble lady as it is and it is clear that she is pushing too far. The billionaire recently disowned her, but she will inherit a slice of his fortune anyway and it is disconcerting that it isn't enough for her. She threw away a loving, involved father for someone who keeps rejecting her. I didn't know that! Some illegitimate children were raised to the nobility, but some were just quietly raised by others and provided with some kind of trust. Others, got mostly nothing. It was rather hit and miss. I am rather miffed about it, too. These people who toss away what they have with both hands - maybe there's a reason her biological father wants nothing to do with her? I don't think she will ever be happy.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 2, 2020 0:20:51 GMT
She is right to be hurt, no one deserves to be treated this way. Yet, she should not have tried for a title and a place in the succession. She had a relationship right until she was twelve, but she had a HECK of a soft landing from that rejection.
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Post by Admin on Oct 2, 2020 13:03:26 GMT
She is right to be hurt, no one deserves to be treated this way. Yet, she should not have tried for a title and a place in the succession. She had a relationship right until she was twelve, but she had a HECK of a soft landing from that rejection. It's like she sought to humiliate and bully the family and who wants to be forced into a relationship with such a person? Her issues were with her father, not the rest of his family. Paola didn't deserve this - both parties in that marriage went through a long stretch of marital discord/infidelity on both sides (apparently), but they reconciled and rebuilt their family. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I don't think adultery needs to be "rewarded".
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Post by kueifei on Oct 2, 2020 15:20:19 GMT
I feel for Philippe in a way. For the first so many years of his life, his father was absent physically, emotionally, and psychologically and all his father's love was going towards someone who was the product of an admitted love affair and there was genuine affection. Delphine had more of a family life than he, Philippe did and I do believe that it hurts him raw. Now the product of that affair and the more loved kid is now getting and "HRH," and might even get a state stipend. If he ends up ratifying her title and sees a dotation placed upon her, it might really enrage him. During twelve years, she had all his father's attention, love, and affection and he didn't get any of it. She had all his everything and I am quite certain that this is more than he might be able to handle.
At least as legitimate heir, he had that much and she wasn't part of that part of his life, but now she's getting an official, legally recognized title that now means that she will be part of this world as well. If she gets an official income and even palace residency, it means that he will have to financially support someone who he believes stole the love of his father for a great many years. Imagine living with someone who symbolizes all that and he might even have to have her at official events. That would mean that there is not one part of her life without her in it. Not one part of his life that is entirely his own. I cannot imagine the hurt and pain he might have.
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Post by Admin on Oct 2, 2020 18:29:32 GMT
I feel for Philippe in a way. For the first so many years of his life, his father was absent physically, emotionally, and psychologically and all his father's love was going towards someone who was the product of an admitted love affair and there was genuine affection. Delphine had more of a family life than he, Philippe did and I do believe that it hurts him raw. Now the product of that affair and the more loved kid is now getting and "HRH," and might even get a state stipend. If he ends up ratifying her title and sees a dotation placed upon her, it might really enrage him. During twelve years, she had all his father's attention, love, and affection and he didn't get any of it. She had all his everything and I am quite certain that this is more than he might be able to handle. At least as legitimate heir, he had that much and she wasn't part of that part of his life, but now she's getting an official, legally recognized title that now means that she will be part of this world as well. If she gets an official income and even palace residency, it means that he will have to financially support someone who he believes stole the love of his father for a great many years. Imagine living with someone who symbolizes all that and he might even have to have her at official events. That would mean that there is not one part of her life without her in it. Not one part of his life that is entirely his own. I cannot imagine the hurt and pain he might have. This is a really thought-provoking post - bringing up King Philippe. From what I understand, it was his sister Astrid who really held her family together, and I know that Philippe was close to his late uncle King Baudouin and aunt Queen FAbiola. Philippe at least has the comfort of his happy marriage and family life. I think there would be limits as to what her (HRH Delphine) rights would be - she's got the empty title now, but she will never be part of the RF as they see it. I for one am not sorry for that. I think that Delphine cannot compete with the likes of the current Queen and from what I read on another post somewhere (I think even on Facebook -this was just recently, but I am not so sure) something to the effect that the ex-King Albert has most of his estate in his wife's name(?) If I could find the discussion, could include it here. Not sorry if he does what to keep as much away from her as he can. Not sympathetic to this seemingly dishonest woman with some kind of odd ulterior motives. Not caring for Delphine and her mother - seems like they are just out to humilate the present family. I don't like her and it's kind of strange as I'm apparently related to her (cannot win them all!)
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Post by kueifei on Oct 2, 2020 20:42:11 GMT
The title is empty, but it is still a slap in the face; I just read on another forum that her kids she had out of wedlock have titles now too and that is plain wrong as well. Nothing good will come of this and if she demands more equality, who knows how that is going to end. I just wonder, how many enemies does King Philippe have that this ruling would happen? He now has the courts against him and he now has the entire judiciary against him and that would mean that among politicians, he has a substantial number of enemies. This could not have gone through without the cooperation of politicians and the judiciary.
Delphine just wanted recognition initially and that should be granted. But she lost her genuinely loving father Jacques in the process and she used to be sole heir to billions of Eros. Billions, not millions. She had an involved father and an indulgent socially prominent mother and had life handed to her on a diamond platter. If anyone knows that you can't have it all, that would be me as well. She had it all, just not all perfectly and she did have a title of her own.
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Post by Admin on Oct 2, 2020 21:47:22 GMT
The title is empty, but it is still a slap in the face; I just read on another forum that her kids she had out of wedlock have titles now too and that is plain wrong as well. Nothing good will come of this and if she demands more equality, who knows how that is going to end. I just wonder, how many enemies does King Philippe have that this ruling would happen? He now has the courts against him and he now has the entire judiciary against him and that would mean that among politicians, he has a substantial number of enemies. This could not have gone through without the cooperation of politicians and the judiciary. Delphine just wanted recognition initially and that should be granted. But she lost her genuinely loving father Jacques in the process and she used to be sole heir to billions of Eros. Billions, not millions. She had an involved father and an indulgent socially prominent mother and had life handed to her on a diamond platter. If anyone knows that you can't have it all, that would be me as well. She had it all, just not all perfectly and she did have a title of her own. Poor Philippe, but then again, there seems to be something very off about Belgian politics. HER children are out of wedlock,too? Some people are really the architects of their own misery; will never be happy with what they have. A certain degree of sociopathy in their natures, it seems. A kick in the face, almost, to the happily married father of 4 (in wedlock) catholic Philippe, methinks.
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Post by kueifei on Oct 2, 2020 23:03:01 GMT
I think the politicians did this to send a message to the RF that they will no longer be in charge of everything anymore. If this is a sign of something, it would mean that the royals are in fact no longer going to decide who does and does not get titles, who does and does not get to be named an "HRH" and it is clear that Philippe is no longer entirely in control. It could well be that the politicians are sick of messy royals constantly making one mess after another. This title could be a sign to the royals that politicians are no longer going to tolerate royals making and drawing out messes for everyone around them to clean up. If Albert had 'fessed up to being the father of Delphine and had admitted to an affair and one that had been long term, I am sure that people would have understood. Instead he lied nonstop and branded Delphine as crazy and it is clear that Albert made this harder than it had to be. So now this happens and now royal prerogatives are being yanked since it is clear that Albert and Philippe are in fact unwilling to keep their business stable and straightforward.
Thing is, that Delphine had best stop now since she has titles for herself and her children and it is clear that this is causing a ton of hassle. If I were the stepdaughter and sole heiress to a billionaire, I would gladly end up keeping my mouth shut and sitting pretty. Or even better, buying a slew of titles for myself and moving to the top of the social heap.
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2020 1:23:03 GMT
I think the politicians did this to send a message to the RF that they will no longer be in charge of everything anymore. If this is a sign of something, it would mean that the royals are in fact no longer going to decide who does and does not get titles, who does and does not get to be named an "HRH" and it is clear that Philippe is no longer entirely in control. It could well be that the politicians are sick of messy royals constantly making one mess after another. This title could be a sign to the royals that politicians are no longer going to tolerate royals making and drawing out messes for everyone around them to clean up. If Albert had 'fessed up to being the father of Delphine and had admitted to an affair and one that had been long term, I am sure that people would have understood. Instead he lied nonstop and branded Delphine as crazy and it is clear that Albert made this harder than it had to be. So now this happens and now royal prerogatives are being yanked since it is clear that Albert and Philippe are in fact unwilling to keep their business stable and straightforward.
Thing is, that Delphine had best stop now since she has titles for herself and her children and it is clear that this is causing a ton of hassle. If I were the stepdaughter and sole heiress to a billionaire, I would gladly end up keeping my mouth shut and sitting pretty. Or even better, buying a slew of titles for myself and moving to the top of the social heap.
I'm guessing she has tons of money and time on her hands - clearly not some struggling artist. She and her children will never be accepted- politicians cannot make somebody family. I wonder if having oodles of money helped her out. Hmmm...
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2020 3:04:02 GMT
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2020 3:19:14 GMT
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2020 23:11:14 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Oct 3, 2020 23:26:08 GMT
I think she should end up living a quieter life than a public one. She is lucky that the reaction is muted since if this were more covered, then it would be clear that there might be a backlash. It is clear to me that she's reached a point where she has it all now and should just go on and make a life for herself away from the Belgian RF.
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