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Post by Admin on Dec 4, 2022 23:46:13 GMT
I wonder if whether or not this should be up for discussion; Harry is nonfunctional and losing the "HRH" is necessary for Harry to learn consequences the hard way. Harry is lucky to have such a patient father and Meg is plain broken. There is no way that she will end up continuing to function in entertainment with her refusal to accept that she has to follow through with her obligations and her responsibility not to take shots at people who have never done her dirt. Meg is making a final mess of the credibility of an "HRH" and it is clear that she is on a bad way down and will not be developing any real work history and has serious problems functioning at an adult level and getting along well in a stable socially acceptable way. The titles have to be removed and Harry/Meg have to be left to find their own real level. Neither Harry or Meg want to function appropriately. The ducal couple refuse to just work, keep their heads down, and refuse to accept that the free ride is over. Harry's autobiography is bad timing and this is the last thing that King Charles needs. I do not think that this is a good idea, not at this point in time. Harry is clearly self destructive as his mother was later in her life and it is clear that he is trying to destroy himself, but uses Charles as his proxy. There are many discussions that should be going on behind closed doors - enough is enough. Charles needs to finally do something. |
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Post by kueifei on Dec 4, 2022 23:52:05 GMT
I wonder if whether or not this should be up for discussion; Harry is nonfunctional and losing the "HRH" is necessary for Harry to learn consequences the hard way. Harry is lucky to have such a patient father and Meg is plain broken. There is no way that she will end up continuing to function in entertainment with her refusal to accept that she has to follow through with her obligations and her responsibility not to take shots at people who have never done her dirt. Meg is making a final mess of the credibility of an "HRH" and it is clear that she is on a bad way down and will not be developing any real work history and has serious problems functioning at an adult level and getting along well in a stable socially acceptable way. The titles have to be removed and Harry/Meg have to be left to find their own real level. Neither Harry or Meg want to function appropriately. The ducal couple refuse to just work, keep their heads down, and refuse to accept that the free ride is over. Harry's autobiography is bad timing and this is the last thing that King Charles needs. I do not think that this is a good idea, not at this point in time. Harry is clearly self destructive as his mother was later in her life and it is clear that he is trying to destroy himself, but uses Charles as his proxy. There are many discussions that should be going on behind closed doors - enough is enough. Charles needs to finally do something. Charles is already being decisive and I believe that after the coronation and his anointing he will take even more action. Realistically he has enough to process this holiday and there is no way that he (Charles) can handle both sons and their behavior right now. As of now he has to deal with the end of his mother's life, his ascension, and then of course, he has to prepare for his coronation. He has a lot to handle and I do not think there is any chance that he has the stamina to do anything right now. He's an elderly man who has tremendous stamina, but he has personal problems that are just too much. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2022 0:20:49 GMT
There are many discussions that should be going on behind closed doors - enough is enough. Charles needs to finally do something. Charles is already being decisive and I believe that after the coronation and his anointing he will take even more action. Realistically he has enough to process this holiday and there is no way that he (Charles) can handle both sons and their behavior right now. As of now he has to deal with the end of his mother's life, his ascension, and then of course, he has to prepare for his coronation. He has a lot to handle and I do not think there is any chance that he has the stamina to do anything right now. He's an elderly man who has tremendous stamina, but he has personal problems that are just too much. Yes, you are right - this year has been stressful enough for him, but it seems like the Cambs/Sussexes have returned to regular form. I understand he has a lot to handle and two selfish and out of control sons IS too much for any parent to have to handle. I do have sympathy for Charles and hope that he does take some decisive actions, as needed, with each son. I guess I and others demanding he "do something" be a little more realistic. For his age, he does has tremendous stamina, again, you are so right, and I hope that aids him with what he has to deal with. Here's to 2023. |
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Post by kueifei on Dec 5, 2022 1:16:08 GMT
Charles is already being decisive and I believe that after the coronation and his anointing he will take even more action. Realistically he has enough to process this holiday and there is no way that he (Charles) can handle both sons and their behavior right now. As of now he has to deal with the end of his mother's life, his ascension, and then of course, he has to prepare for his coronation. He has a lot to handle and I do not think there is any chance that he has the stamina to do anything right now. He's an elderly man who has tremendous stamina, but he has personal problems that are just too much. Yes, you are right - this year has been stressful enough for him, but it seems like the Cambs/Sussexes have returned to regular form. I understand he has a lot to handle and two selfish and out of control sons IS too much for any parent to have to handle. I do have sympathy for Charles and hope that he does take some decisive actions, as needed, with each son. I guess I and others demanding he "do something" be a little more realistic. For his age, he does has tremendous stamina, again, you are so right, and I hope that aids him with what he has to deal with. Here's to 2023.
Charles is an experienced athlete and all athletes know not to push themselves past a certain point. Charles will not push himself past a certain point he has to process his grief and heal and he needs to be able to adjust to being a literal Sovereign, a head of state. He just lost a loyal supporter (Lady Susan) and it is clear that the monarchical way of life is unraveling and he has no clue on how to save it.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2022 2:16:39 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 5, 2022 2:45:35 GMT
I think this is inevitable. Harry refuses to stop and like Diana, he is escalating. Losing his "HRH" is up to King Charles, but it is up to Parliament to strip the ducal titles.
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Post by sanka on Dec 9, 2022 7:48:36 GMT
As mentioned I don't subscribe to Netflix nor I have any intention for that streaming service.
I have looked at some articles about the fantasy program of the Harkles yesterday.
Once again, it seems they have change their story to suit their agenda. I really wish one of them had enough brains to write what story they tell down and do a refresher course once in a while. Alternatively, search the web on themselves and listen to what they have spouted previously. It can't be that difficult. Surely, they can't think that people don't notice.
Further support of the events of yesterday and next week's programs for the 'titles' must be stripped! HRH must be stripped and with a bit of luck there is some weaving that 'Prince' cannot be used for commercial purposes. Basically plain old Henry and Rachel Meghan, or H and RM.
I know it can't happen, but I am sure the British public would prefer they do not have a surname associated with the UK e.g. Windsor, Mountbatten-Windsor, Wales, Sussex, Dumbarton etc. Surely, they can go and register another surname to suit their agenda as they no longer want to be associated with either family (except Doria). I am sure the other Ragland relatives wouldn't like them choosing Ragland as a surname.
Titles, HRH must go! Time for some action by Parliament and the King.
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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2022 19:25:48 GMT
As mentioned I don't subscribe to Netflix nor I have any intention for that streaming service. I have looked at some articles about the fantasy program of the Harkles yesterday. Once again, it seems they have change their story to suit their agenda. I really wish one of them had enough brains to write what story they tell down and do a refresher course once in a while. Alternatively, search the web on themselves and listen to what they have spouted previously. It can't be that difficult. Surely, they can't think that people don't notice. Further support of the events of yesterday and next week's programs for the 'titles' must be stripped! HRH must be stripped and with a bit of luck there is some weaving that 'Prince' cannot be used for commercial purposes. Basically plain old Henry and Rachel Meghan, or H and RM. I know it can't happen, but I am sure the British public would prefer they do not have a surname associated with the UK e.g. Windsor, Mountbatten-Windsor, Wales, Sussex, Dumbarton etc. Surely, they can go and register another surname to suit their agenda as they no longer want to be associated with either family (except Doria). I am sure the other Ragland relatives wouldn't like them choosing Ragland as a surname. Titles, HRH must go! Time for some action by Parliament and the King. I'm just astounded about all the family bashing overkill so to speak - Harry is too deluded to know that once you get something out on social media, it can never be taken back. Royal or not this is shocking and bad on so many levels. How would any member of that family feel about some of the things they related? If I were them I'd sue for slander and invasion of privacy and go forward with a press statement that would socially decimate them plus all their brought forward lackeys who aim to step in without knowing all the facts. Who is this niece of Markle's? The daughter of Sam who was b@nging a man twice her age when she was 15? This Suits' producer? Doria Ragland slagging Thomas? Oh,that is rather rich - the alleged unloving mother and expunged felon? For a lot of scheming sewer divers who seemingly have a lot of clutter in their closets, they sure have some nerve sticking their unnecessary and unwanted 2 cents into the matter. What nerve!!! All in all such a pathetic and ugly situation that was very poorly managed - I cannot see any going back and salvaging much if anything. Still floored and just disgusted myself with so many. There is talk out there from even Sussex supporters that this went too far. |
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Post by kueifei on Dec 10, 2022 0:33:52 GMT
As mentioned I don't subscribe to Netflix nor I have any intention for that streaming service. I have looked at some articles about the fantasy program of the Harkles yesterday. Once again, it seems they have change their story to suit their agenda. I really wish one of them had enough brains to write what story they tell down and do a refresher course once in a while. Alternatively, search the web on themselves and listen to what they have spouted previously. It can't be that difficult. Surely, they can't think that people don't notice. Further support of the events of yesterday and next week's programs for the 'titles' must be stripped! HRH must be stripped and with a bit of luck there is some weaving that 'Prince' cannot be used for commercial purposes. Basically plain old Henry and Rachel Meghan, or H and RM. I know it can't happen, but I am sure the British public would prefer they do not have a surname associated with the UK e.g. Windsor, Mountbatten-Windsor, Wales, Sussex, Dumbarton etc. Surely, they can go and register another surname to suit their agenda as they no longer want to be associated with either family (except Doria). I am sure the other Ragland relatives wouldn't like them choosing Ragland as a surname. Titles, HRH must go! Time for some action by Parliament and the King.
After Charles is crowned, chances are Charles will finally have that authority; there is no way that Charles has the full authority and after Charles is crowned, realistically the titles will be lifted and a terrible precedent will be set. Parliament can then start removing titles via legislation and now Harry is being instrumental in the empowerment of an activist MP to go after the wealthy nobility, even the ones who follow the rules and do dedicate themselves. It starts with the royals and could reach the nobility. There will be nothing stopping an activist MP from taking titles in the name of social justice. There will be nothing stopping the nobility from having their money and even ancestral properties seized in the name of social justice.
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2022 14:10:06 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 17, 2022 7:56:52 GMT
I think it would be a humanitarian act.
Harry is unable to balance being a government official with being a working man in the States. It's impossible. With the removal of his titles, it will remove him from attachments to the UK that he and his wife have so clearly turned their backs on. Harry has gone too far and he is past the point of no return. A reconciliation and reinstatement would trigger huge hostility from the public that doesn't want him back and does not want him even if he left Meg. It is HIM that isn't wanted back, not just Meg.
Harry has failed to take responsibility and it is clear that he and Meg are out of control, spiraling, and the loss of his title would be a wake-up call that is needed for him to face certain hard facts. Like his mother, he is trying to create some mythical new role from scratch and in my view it is a farce. No one shoudl have it both ways.
By removing the "HRH" there will no longer be a possibility for them to get special agent protection, plus he prefers to life the life of a pampered decadent aristocrat and so let him do just that.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 20, 2022 1:06:41 GMT
Charles won't do it: King Charles will invite the Sussexes to his coronation & he won’t remove their titles
Let the system sink then. I cannot fathom how much Harry is getting away with, along with his wife. It is clear to me that he is determined to wreck everything and let Harry and Meg continue to cause all this trouble, keep making people put up with him since Harry's rank entitles him to certain social sets (regrettably) and people will have to suffer Meg as well. I do not think that there is any point to pretending that they are worthy of it or that Charles will put a stop to this dysfunction at the top and at least spare the upper echelons from having to put up with them.
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Post by Admin on Dec 20, 2022 1:44:26 GMT
Charles won't do it: King Charles will invite the Sussexes to his coronation & he won’t remove their titles Let the system sink then. I cannot fathom how much Harry is getting away with, along with his wife. It is clear to me that he is determined to wreck everything and let Harry and Meg continue to cause all this trouble, keep making people put up with him since Harry's rank entitles him to certain social sets (regrettably) and people will have to suffer Meg as well. I do not think that there is any point to pretending that they are worthy of it or that Charles will put a stop to this dysfunction at the top and at least spare the upper echelons from having to put up with them.
To date, the BRF has allowed both princes to destroy the institution and betray the public trust. WHY? A lay person could ask? Why are they allowed to go further, and further, and further with their accusations and claims? Something is very, VERY grievously wrong; some destructive secrets are being kept under wraps, IMO. Of course, you may know where I stand in all this. I am beyond livid and frustrated with the apparent cover-up and continued betrayal. Something HAS to be done - with BOTH couples, but we know that in stripping one couple's titles and privileges will leave to stripping the other's. We all can surmise that if the Sussexes get stripped of anything, they would unleash some serious sh#t that would make the House of Windsor cave in like a house of cards. The system WILL sink if nothing continues to be done. It's beyond the crisis point...well beyond. It's quite dire. |
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Post by kueifei on Dec 20, 2022 2:01:19 GMT
Charles won't do it: King Charles will invite the Sussexes to his coronation & he won’t remove their titles Let the system sink then. I cannot fathom how much Harry is getting away with, along with his wife. It is clear to me that he is determined to wreck everything and let Harry and Meg continue to cause all this trouble, keep making people put up with him since Harry's rank entitles him to certain social sets (regrettably) and people will have to suffer Meg as well. I do not think that there is any point to pretending that they are worthy of it or that Charles will put a stop to this dysfunction at the top and at least spare the upper echelons from having to put up with them.
To date, the BRF has allowed both princes to destroy the institution and betray the public trust. WHY? A lay person could ask? Why are they allowed to go further, and further, and further with their accusations and claims? Something is very, VERY grievously wrong; some destructive secrets are being kept under wraps, IMO. Of course, you may know where I stand in all this. I am beyond livid and frustrated with the apparent cover-up and continued betrayal. Something HAS to be done - with BOTH couples, but we know that in stripping one couple's titles and privileges will leave to stripping the other's. We all can surmise that if the Sussexes get stripped of anything, they would unleash some serious sh#t that would make the House of Windsor cave in like a house of cards. The system WILL sink if nothing continues to be done. It's beyond the crisis point...well beyond. It's quite dire. King Charles has just announced that he will be surrendering to Meg's abusiveness from hereon and there will not be consequences for insolence or insubordination. Treason will also go unpunished and there are no consequences to any kind of behavior that will justify retaliation. So now Meg and Harry can REALLY ramp up the drama and indulge in the histrionics with knowledge that there will not be any kind of consequences. It's not like Harry and Meg are sane enough to respect authority, but this is something else. Meg will take this as vindication and Harry in my view is too stupid for me to figure out. After the coronation there will be a flurry of articles about how Meg was victimized and the same old same old will be effectively be rehashed. This will not go good and Harry and Meg will demand far more perks and far more privileges.
I'm stunned that this happened. Charles might has well have declared the Sovereign a doormat and the nation ripe for the taking.
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Post by Admin on Dec 20, 2022 2:28:13 GMT
www.celebitchy.com/797374/king_charles_will_invite_the_sussexes_to_his_coronation_he_wont_remove_their_titles/THIS, from CB, is very, VERY dumb: "King Charles really is so dumb – for months now, Charles has been doing this “let’s wait and see” game about whether the Duke and Duchess of Sussex would be invited to his coronation. He’s been playing the same stupid game about whether he’ll remove Lili and Archie’s royal titles too. The play here, from a PR perspective, should be magnanimity not pettiness. Charles should go overboard to be seen as a generous and loving father and grandfather. That way, if Prince Harry refuses anything or turns down invitations, it will look like Harry is the petty one, like Harry is the one forcing the estrangement. Charles and his people are not chess players, they’re incapable of thinking three moves ahead, let’s just say that. Anyway, Charles must have been pleased that Harry didn’t call him out too hard in the Netflix series, because Charles is now making it known that the Sussexes will be invited to the coronation."1) The onus wasn't on KC to have to constantly react to what Harry and Meghan unleashed in the media. I see no stupidity on his part, but loads on Harry and Meghan's. Loads, Kaiser. 2) Lili and Archie don't HAVE any titles, and I'm sure with his mother dying and his becoming King, Charles had better things to be concerned about? You know, it's not all about "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets". The entire planet seems fed up with having to indulge this girl's petty vindictiveness. What, Kaiser, she didn't get enough out of abusing the loving parent who raised her and and didn't reportedly drop her like a safe, and now wants to take on a foreign country and it's monarch? Just curious, what is the concern of the UK and Commonwealth to you types, anyways? Living vicariously through a spoiled and over-indulged American girl who seems to hate EVERYBODY now? 3) KC is beyond magnanimous here; he seems EXTREMELY GRACIOUS AND ACCOMODATING. Too much so. What MORE do you Sussex stans want or expect of the man? Are Meghan and Harry NEVER wrong? 4) Charles should go overboard too be seen as a generous and loving?...WHAT more can he or should he have to do? Honestly... 5) Sorry, it's Harry the dim-witted Spencer and angry, embittered and destructive Meghan who are the ones incapable of thinking about anything save themselves. 6) KC should be grateful he, the citizens of the UK and Commonwealth aren't subjected to more abuse? Is that your real point? 7) I would suggest you remove this from Celebitchy - it's very poorly written and rather ridiculous, too. 8) You draw the conclusion that KC is a happy man after all that Harry and Meghan have said and done? Must have been "pleased". HOW? 9) ARE YOU F#CKING SERIOUS?  ?? |
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Post by sanka on Dec 20, 2022 3:00:11 GMT
I agree that the titles should be removed. I wished they had been removed sooner. For KC to turnaround now and remove the titles it will come across as petty and can you imagine the mega whingefest from the Cali duo....we would have to suffer more. MM must be ropable that the alleged children have not received titles. PH has claimed they were happy to relinquish the titles on Megixt - well why didn't they take him up on it then. There is currently a Bill going through the UK Parliament on Removing Titles bills.parliament.uk/bills/3289Although the Bill gives the Monarch the power to remove the Titles it does also provide for the removal by the Monarch following a recommendation of a joint committee of Parliament. I am wondering if KC is waiting for this to be fair and reasonable given that is his own son. If a Parliamentary committee recommends the removal due to the damage to the UK and the Monarchy then all win both sides (Parliament, the Royal Family, the UK and the Commonwealth). The losers will be the Sussexes where they will be humiliated through their own doing bagging everyone. Even though having an Act where Titles can be removed could be used for purposes other than that intended, I think in this circumstance it is needed by the Monarch to support the removal of the Sussex title. It will effectively put others in their place should they decide to go rogue. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 20, 2022 3:48:00 GMT
Aside: Gosh these people truly do NOT get it...
Harla A Brazen Hussy says:
December 19, 2022 at 8:47 am
While I trust M&H to make the best decision for their family, I truly hope that they don’t attend this coronation or William’s investiture but spend the day celebrating their boy. What I’m definitely not looking forward to is months and months of will they/won’t they coverage.
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December 19, 2022 at 10:00 am
@harla A Brazen Hussy
Ditto to everything you say! My sincere wish and hope is that H&M do NOT attend the coronation.
But I wonder what kind of calculations they will have to factor into their decision-making. Altho the monarchy is a long-game scam, with their time measured in decades and centuries, I really hope H&M draw on the fact that this 1000-yr-old institution has NEVER had this kind of issue to deal with before now. King Edward’s abdication is NOT an example of the Sussexes situation.
The key difference here is the notion of independence and freedom. H&M are forging a new and different path and to a great extent, the institution is on the backfoot. H&M are operating in the real world so I hope they allow themselves to be guided by that.
With all the bowing and scr#ping that is expected to go on, with references to god-ordained rights etc., I hope H&M hold firm to the fact that, with the exit of the queen, they should no longer allow habit to trump their dignity and self-respect.
They should only send their congrats and RSVP/decline-with-regret.
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NotSoSocialB says:
December 19, 2022 at 10:37 am
H said unequivocally that while they do not expect proper accountability, that they ( H&M) are moving on with their lives, so I suspect that there are no f*cks left to give from them. I don’t expect them to let loose all the sordid details bc BP/KP know that there are receipts, and specific pushback against H&M’s receipts would be devastating for the RF. They really are finished and all they can do is hiss innuendo obliquely at H&M as a result. The Sword of Damocles hangs over the heads of all four of them and their dirty-deed doing underlings. It’s only a matter of time before one of them steps on the proverbial rake, a la Wile E. Coyote.
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The Recluse says:
December 19, 2022 at 3:13 pm
I hope they stay home too. It’s going to be nightmare for them between the press, the protocols, the little grey men who work for these royal factions, and Bulliam and Keen rubbing their positions into their faces with all the curtseying and so forth. Considering that Chuck hasn’t said “Boo” about his consort’s dubious friend inciting violence against his daughter-in-law, that alone should keep Harry and Meghan at home.
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DouchesOfCambridge says:
December 19, 2022 at 3:20 pm
Charles made it out ok after the documentary, but I hope Harry reserved the best for him in his book. The Sussexes dont give 2 shz if they’re invited or not to the coronation, they dont give a shz if the take away the titles. From the comments that can be read on the royal family’s IG accnt – those that can be read – and they have closed the comments on the last posts – it’s also so clear the fad4 DO NOT have the support of the public and that they’re going down.
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Post by Admin on Dec 20, 2022 3:50:56 GMT
Aside: Some of these Sussex stans are truly unbelievable...
Cel2495 says:
December 19, 2022 at 8:49 am
F*ck him! He is a sorry excuse of a human being. I hope after this last horrible article written by his friend JC, Meg and H don’t ever see these people again. They don’t have to place nice anymore. Queen Eliza’s is dead… the hell with all of them.
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molly says:
December 19, 2022 at 3:41 pm
I hope that when the press office for Charles reaches out to Harry for a formal RSVP to the coronation, Harry just sends back to links: one to the JC article and one to the party where Camilla has him over for lunch. (And maybe for good measure, a buzzfeed listicle article about every time Piers Morgan was a creepy lunatic to Meghan too.)
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Post by Admin on Dec 20, 2022 3:53:08 GMT
Aside: Poor, POOR Meg...in the history of the world, when has any female been subject to SO much tragedy? HOW can she even BEAR it?  nancy says: December 19, 2022 at 8:50 am I just really don’t meghan to feel like she has to go spend time with these people. they hate her. there is no other reason camilla would keep being friends with piers morgan and jeremy clarkson. she must say the most hateful things behind closed doors and just laugh about the actual security risks that meghan and harry face. and if she does that, and we know william has been awful, charles just – ignores it? ignoring it is almost as bad. Reply Selene says: December 19, 2022 at 9:17 am I think this Jeremy Clarkson comment has broadened the chasm between them, and like you, I believe that Meghan shouldn’t go. And in the name of it being once in a lifetime event, I hope Harry doesn’t feel he has to either. Reply Julia K says: December 19, 2022 at 1:18 pm @selene; this not only is a once in a lifetime event, it will most likely be the last coronation ever for England.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 20, 2022 4:32:01 GMT
With this new bill, the aristocracy is going to burn the House of Windsor to the ground for this. Now Parliament can strip titles and once Billy the Prince is in power, he can use that as a weapon to bully and subjugate the entire aristocracy with threats over his ability to strip them of their titles and estates and who knows what else. If the aristocrats lose the titles, the estates could be forfeited to the Crown. Then there is the fact that all it takes is enough activist MP's to gang up on 'hereditary privilege' and take a wrecking ball to everything that the aristocracy and those who have earned peerages through merit. The dukedoms in the North are descendants from the warrior class and they will literally be enraged over this. Imagine if the British equivalent of AOC gets in charge and spitefully decides to take a wrecking ball to the aristocracy. The Magna Carta was created to prevent this and now the Sovereign on down will be able to undo all that they and other Englishmen have fought for. All that gone. In these VERY bad times, now it can take a well circulated petition to have this law enacted; just think, a phalanx of university students can circulate a petition and it WILL have to be debated and Parliament can simply utilize the preexisting law that is about to be established. With that, the end of the monarchy, end of the peerage, end of the descent of heirs to have rights to their ancestral estates and incomes and other professional privileges. If Charles had not announced this, if he had removed the "HRH" at least, this bill would not have been created or prevented. There is no way that this can be reversed.
I find it stupefying that no one in the House of Windsor is smart enough to see beyond their personal views, wishes, or relationships. Charles' inaction has just set the ball rolling for the elimination of the entire monarchical way of life with either a well circulated petition, or a majority vote by activist MP's. The aristocracy is now officially politically castrated and in defense and there is no way that the House of Lords can prevent this. The House of Commons has been taking power year by year and it is clear that this time for real, the monarchy is now at a point of no return and has no protection from abolishment. Once Parliament removes the titles of Harry and Meg, the precedent has been set for the removal of the titles of others. Charles' inaction and permissiveness with his out of control second son and his maniacal consort has now handed Parliament the consensus and public justification/support to take even more control from the royals.
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