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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:10:19 GMT
Aside: Time to move on - you probably weren't even born when she was alive? Or if you were, you were should know better and MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE?
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:15:33 GMT
Aside: I wonder if f#ke Royal Grannie Carole is spitting hot kittens over this? Did Billy warn her of this possibiitity over vino and cheese toast? What will she have her goons at the Daily Mail and Daily Express write to counter this? I'm SCARED, I tell ya....SCARED. 
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 3:16:30 GMT
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Post by sanka on Feb 6, 2022 3:45:34 GMT
I agree it is time to move on. Diana has been dead for over 20 years now. She was not a saint.
Even if the marriage had lasted Diana I expect that she could have been styled a Queen Consort.
Some of the Diana fans clearly blame Camilla for the marriage not working. However, the marriage was not working because both Diana and Charles were not suited for each other (neither made each other happy). Diana possibly had affairs even before Charles took back up with Camilla.
Anyway....there will be the Diana fans out in force over the announcement by the Queen.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 6, 2022 3:47:45 GMT
Diana has been dead for over 20 years and before that, divorced, and then before even that, the marriage was emotionally and psychologically dead.
I really wish people would face facts about Diana. One, Diana was so upper class that she never even set foot outside of Belgravia, even to do her token babysitter job and when she stepped out, it was to go to Gstaad or to her family estate or to one of the other estates or royal palaces for parties. Second, Diana was not a working class outsider, she was a titled lady since birth (Honorable at birth/Lady after her father became Earl Spencer) and she was someone who had known Charles and the other royal children since she was born. She was mixing with them regularly and she was certainly not a stranger to the fact that royals had a concrete routine and she knew the royal rhythms. I find it cynically bemusing that people think that Diana did not know the royal way of life and didn't know the fact that the royals stayed at Balmor@l or Sandringham for holidays. She was going to balls and receptions regularly even though she had not had a debut. She knew that she would marry a titled man and he would have an estate she would be expected to run. Third, just because they didn't go on a ton of public dates, does not mean that she knew nothing of Charles' life and his interests, she admitted to feigning interest in them to snare the ring. She also knew Charles since her birth and therefore was in no need for a ton of dates that would convince her that he was a catch. He was THE most eligible singleton in the world and it is clear that she was wild about the thought of marrying him. I also remember reading that she knew that she was a possibility as a consort and therefore kept her reputation clean. She had good lineage and never tired of reminding people and liked to drop that fact of her ancestry to people who employed her or ticked her off about things. She liked to remind people that she was 'more' than just 'the help.' She KNEW the royal way of life and she KNEW that there was duties and obligations. Informal life or not, she knew how it would be. Diana didn't really need to get to know how Charles lived his life or what he liked.
Charles was never going to marry outside of his class and neither was Diana. Diana couldn't have functioned as a REAL middle class wife and there is no way that her own ambition was in fact a contributing factor for her to want to marry Charles. Charles was the ultimate catch and was the ultimate title.
As for media coverage, the palace failed to train her how to build a wall around her mind to prevent her from getting caught up in the media coverage. The second failing of the palace was to have her hospitalized immediately once it was clear that she was actively bulimic and the minute she made suicide threats, she should have been hospitalized and placed in a place where she would stay until she was stable and cooperative no matter how long it took. Every single book on mental illness states that suicide threats are a direct cry for help and are to be taken seriously, they are NOT to be dismissed out of hand as 'hysterics' and if she had been hospitalized, she would have likely been disciplined for out of control behavior or tantrums. If she pulled that in a hospital she would be either locked in her room, trailed by a nurse, or she would be forcibly sedated and/or locked in the quiet room. No matter how long it took, she should have been hospitalized. She was failed big time and her projecting her issues onto Charles is something that is the sign of a seriously disturbed personality. She was sick and she was neglected and in some ways overworked in the area of the emotional and psychologically draining experience of having to put on a performance for the public. If someone had emotional collapses as much as she did, she needed rehab, but mainly a hospital.
She should have been undergoing therapy to learn how to block off what the media was saying about her and she should have been under constrictions in the area of accessing columnists who were violating professional boundaries in taking a personal approach to their attempts to get information. She should have been required to make and sustain a treatment program and regrettably she was given a huge amount of power she was not trained and educated to handle responsibly. She should not have had power to hire/fire her staff and she should have been under monarchical supervision to end up learning the ropes. In his book, Jephson wrote the plan he had for Diana to be brought back in the royal fold and a huge part of it was removing a lot of power that she admittedly had before she was ready for it. The palace has failed in that they are not training royals to build walls around their minds in regards to dealing with the press and the monarchical system has failed in that they do not tell their heirs that if their girlfriends get pissy about media scrutiny, that they do NOT belong in the royal way of life where scrutiny is a basic part of life. They do not belong if they can't handle media coverage responsibly and it is clear that there is a serious attitude problem with media relations. Diana behaved like a tease with the press, calling them up and then getting worked up over coverage. That much is established.
As for Camilla, Camilla should have been nixed after Charles married and I think Diana didn't care about Camilla, but started to care when it was clear that Camilla wasn't going away. I also think that Diana was wrong to nuke Camilla's marriage by outing Camilla as Charles' mistress. I also think that since Camilla lost her means of support, that Charles was right to step in. Camilla, like Diana, was not raised to handle money and was not raised to have a profession. Diana didn't see that Camilla, while married, wasn't a concrete threat, but after the Wales marriage died, that Camilla would move right in. Camilla should be known as Princess of Wales and HM is right to designate Camilla as Queen Consort since Diana fans shouldn't be able to decide how the living should live their life. Diana is dead and shouldn't be able to control Charles or Camilla and I am certain that Camilla will do just fine. Diana's generation refuse to accept that Diana was instrumental in the destruction of her marriage and life and titles have a right to go on. Near the end of her life, Camilla was ensconed and living a stable life and Diana refused to set up a stable life for herself. Diana was running with cheap types and after nuking Charles, no decent man or family would have her.
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 20:15:06 GMT
Aside: But, but, but...it's ALL about Diana?
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2022 3:22:18 GMT
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2022 14:30:20 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Feb 8, 2022 17:54:20 GMT
I watched the film "Spencer" on Hulu and I was mystified at how pointless Diana's complaints were. I found it bemusing that members of the armed forces were carrying in the gourmet food as if they were lackeys and I dislike how this film tried to turn three days of pampering into martyrdom. If you're so loaded that you can afford to indulge in that kind of angst, you are a spoiled brat. She was burdening staff with her problems when staff has enough problems of their own, plus work duties during the holidays.
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2022 4:36:13 GMT
Aside: Maybe because Catherine of Aragon was foreign born and had very royal and powerful relatives? For instance, her nephew was Holy Roman Emperor?
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Post by kueifei on Feb 16, 2022 6:32:33 GMT
She never really got it that her 'all about HER work' was just a mist and her happy ever after was a chimera and always would be until she faced certain hard facts about herself and her life. She was never going to end up with a good man until she realized the loss she had had after blowing up her marriage and she wouldn't face the fact that she had to work at making a real life of her own and making sure her sons had a stable mother figure in their life who put them first, not herself and her latest boyfriend. If she had just left men alone, left married men strictly alone, and started to actually mature, then I am sure she would have ended up better off, her situation would have stabilized, and she would have lived past 36. She didn't put her sons first in the way she should have. She should have stayed single, stayed chaste for at least three or four years, quietly lived and contemplated her life choices, and admitted to herself that she was not special in the way that her precious tabloid acolytes told her. If she had been honest about her love of her privileges and her own preference for high status, plus her use of various lovers, she would have ended up more mature and she would have either saved her marriage or saved her life at least. She left her sons behind to go messing with one increasing loser after another and I think if she had lived, she would have ended up making it harder for her sons to have a genuinely good time with her. She was obsessed with the worst things anyone should be and she was easily bought, for all that she was a wealthy and secure woman in her own right. She should have been a LOT LESS childish about media coverage and she should have stopped playing games with the press and acting outlandish in front of cameras she should have been used to. She spent much of the rest of her life looking for an 'end' that ended any need to make any kind of unique effort on things other than her looks.
I read Tina Brown's book sometimes and I find it unreal how she introduced the idea that education and qualifications do not matter and all it takes is a good audience and a relationship with the media. Diana did introduce celebrity activism in a way that it had no business being. Celebrities used to have their causes and charity work, but Diana took it to the level of delusion that manifests in entertainers actively trying to be part of geopolitics in a way that makes me seethe. Jolie, Clooney, DiCaprio, all of them followed Diana's lead and I am angry that after her divorce, she was still received by heads of state and she did NOT belong there. After her divorce, she did a lot of things that should have been beneath her, things that she should have been better than to do. Messing with Carling was bad enough, but it was worse in that she stalked Hoare and pressured Hoare to leave his wife/daughter for her and run off to her delusional 'happy ever after.' Then she managed to land Hasnat, but she wasn't a Pakastani Pathan and she refused to stop messing with his life (professional and otherwise). What gets me is how she didn't form any real life of her own; she wanted Hasnat to ditch his work, friends, home life in favor of being globe trotting dolts and she really did not see the value in a steady, stable, routine life and didn't even TRY to get help to calm herself into settling into an academic life, get qualifications, and spend her days doing routine meetings and routine work and coming home to her palatial palace spread and be insanely grateful at all she had. The belief that she was left alone and unloved is BS and she had limitless resources to complete her education and develop a career of her own that would have brought her substance that she craved. Yet she didn't and now people with real education and experience and qualifications are shoved aside because they are not photogenic enough for a highly celebritized media.
She always put her sons second or third and the idea of her living in another nation is something that would have made her relationships with her sons impossible. If she had ended up being unable to live in the UK (unlikely really) then her sons would have been under more stress to commute and I sincerely wonder if whether or not she ever took into consideration that her global dreams would result in her being more uprooted and distracted from them. Her need for a daddy figure robbed her sons of a mother that they needed during that critical time in their development. The last thing on her mind should have been another boyfriend, her first focus should have been her sons. Unlike her portrayal in the media and women's magazines, she was a horrible role model in that she ran after all these men and would not at least keep her legs closed until the dust settled after the divorce and her son's perspectives was the first she would consider ever. She should have thought of them before going after Hoare, or getting into bed with Carling, or even THINKING of any global role. If she had done that, she would be alive and there wouldn't be a pair of messed up ducal couples. Diana NEVER should have messed with ANY man until her sons were of age to understand relationships and NEVER should have even THOUGHT of another marriage or boyfriend. She failed to really respect herself and I cannot imagine the damage all that scandal did.
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Post by Admin on Feb 16, 2022 13:13:34 GMT
She never really got it that her 'all about HER work' was just a mist and her happy ever after was a chimera and always would be until she faced certain hard facts about herself and her life. She was never going to end up with a good man until she realized the loss she had had after blowing up her marriage and she wouldn't face the fact that she had to work at making a real life of her own and making sure her sons had a stable mother figure in their life who put them first, not herself and her latest boyfriend. If she had just left men alone, left married men strictly alone, and started to actually mature, then I am sure she would have ended up better off, her situation would have stabilized, and she would have lived past 36. She didn't put her sons first in the way she should have. She should have stayed single, stayed chaste for at least three or four years, quietly lived and contemplated her life choices, and admitted to herself that she was not special in the way that her precious tabloid acolytes told her. If she had been honest about her love of her privileges and her own preference for high status, plus her use of various lovers, she would have ended up more mature and she would have either saved her marriage or saved her life at least. She left her sons behind to go messing with one increasing loser after another and I think if she had lived, she would have ended up making it harder for her sons to have a genuinely good time with her. She was obsessed with the worst things anyone should be and she was easily bought, for all that she was a wealthy and secure woman in her own right. She should have been a LOT LESS childish about media coverage and she should have stopped playing games with the press and acting outlandish in front of cameras she should have been used to. She spent much of the rest of her life looking for an 'end' that ended any need to make any kind of unique effort on things other than her looks.
I read Tina Brown's book sometimes and I find it unreal how she introduced the idea that education and qualifications do not matter and all it takes is a good audience and a relationship with the media. Diana did introduce celebrity activism in a way that it had no business being. Celebrities used to have their causes and charity work, but Diana took it to the level of delusion that manifests in entertainers actively trying to be part of geopolitics in a way that makes me seethe. Jolie, Clooney, DiCaprio, all of them followed Diana's lead and I am angry that after her divorce, she was still received by heads of state and she did NOT belong there. After her divorce, she did a lot of things that should have been beneath her, things that she should have been better than to do. Messing with Carling was bad enough, but it was worse in that she stalked Hoare and pressured Hoare to leave his wife/daughter for her and run off to her delusional 'happy ever after.' Then she managed to land Hasnat, but she wasn't a Pakastani Pathan and she refused to stop messing with his life (professional and otherwise). What gets me is how she didn't form any real life of her own; she wanted Hasnat to ditch his work, friends, home life in favor of being globe trotting dolts and she really did not see the value in a steady, stable, routine life and didn't even TRY to get help to calm herself into settling into an academic life, get qualifications, and spend her days doing routine meetings and routine work and coming home to her palatial palace spread and be insanely grateful at all she had. The belief that she was left alone and unloved is BS and she had limitless resources to complete her education and develop a career of her own that would have brought her substance that she craved. Yet she didn't and now people with real education and experience and qualifications are shoved aside because they are not photogenic enough for a highly celebritized media. She always put her sons second or third and the idea of her living in another nation is something that would have made her relationships with her sons impossible. If she had ended up being unable to live in the UK (unlikely really) then her sons would have been under more stress to commute and I sincerely wonder if whether or not she ever took into consideration that her global dreams would result in her being more uprooted and distracted from them. Her need for a daddy figure robbed her sons of a mother that they needed during that critical time in their development. The last thing on her mind should have been another boyfriend, her first focus should have been her sons. Unlike her portrayal in the media and women's magazines, she was a horrible role model in that she ran after all these men and would not at least keep her legs closed until the dust settled after the divorce and her son's perspectives was the first she would consider ever. She should have thought of them before going after Hoare, or getting into bed with Carling, or even THINKING of any global role. If she had done that, she would be alive and there wouldn't be a pair of messed up ducal couples. Diana NEVER should have messed with ANY man until her sons were of age to understand relationships and NEVER should have even THOUGHT of another marriage or boyfriend. She failed to really respect herself and I cannot imagine the damage all that scandal did.
Here's hoping her sons, family, friends and most strident Diana stans read this and get a hint. Bravo. You summed it up perfectly. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2022 9:33:24 GMT
The worst cultural influence that Diana did have, was the idealization of femininity being defined as a woman being dependent and infantile well past the age where that kind of behavior is normal. At 25, she should have made her peace with her choice to marry Charles, fully realized all her advantages, and she should have been smart (and mature) enough to see that she had limitless resources that would allow her major spheres of independence and for a woman who was loaded with resources, she was pathetically dependent in so many areas. The whole point of those privileges is to enable the royals to be independent at the earliest possible age and Diana refused to do that, to grow and mature beyond wanting to be taken care of. By 30 she should have been a fully contributing part of Charles' life and she should have been spending time volunteering at the Prince's Trust, promoting Save the Children in the press, and should have been obtaining treatment (and cooperating) for her issues and coming to terms with the reality that she had a great life and could help other women get treatment for bulimia and dealing with mental health issues. I also believe that she failed to do her part as a wife in her constant refusal to support Charles' hobbies and interests and she failed as a mother to raise her sons to see the good life they had and should have groomed them to accept that there are areas of life where they never will truly belong. There are a ton of women who would benefit from having a fraction of her resources, but she took those resources and misused them for her own pathetic vanity. The whole point of her role as consort was to support Charles in his work and it wasn't asking too much that she contribute at least eight hours of her day in his office at his side helping things along. If she had, her marriage would have survived even Camilla's machinations.
Diana promoted the ideal that if a person is privileged, then they should be cared for and coddled and if a person is disadvantaged, they should be more self sufficient. Diana was highly privileged and still demanded more coddling and this view has manifested it in a lot of middle/upper middle class families where parents refuse to demand that their kids develop self sufficiency and instead want their kids carried through uni and then carried through life. It has manifested in that the modern royals demand more perks and more privacy and more freedom, despite everything they already have. It has led to a cultural split and it is unfair that struggling people are supposed to feel sorry for the hyper-privileged and under-worked. Even worse, Diana promoted the belief that it's 'boring' or 'old fashioned' to enjoy work, to enjoy responsibility, to step up and take on challenges. There are able bodied middle class kids who prefer to take out loans rather than make material sacrifices and prefer to have their debt paid off rather than exercise basic self respect and civic duty by working in trade and paying it off. That the absolute feminine ideal is to land that one rich guy who will pay your way through life, just like Kate managed. There are a lot of women who could use a real break and help, but since they are not privileged enough in the eyes of the mainstream society, they are supposed to just tough it out like good little plebs.
She was not someone who should have been getting away with complaining about her lot in life and what "the Crown" didn't cover is how living with bulimia or anyone who is unstable is a frightening experience. As for Camilla, Diana could have wormed Camilla out if she had had the brains to see that Camilla was only able to exert a hold over Charles insofar that Charles felt isolated emotionally and psychologically. If Diana had seen Charles for a lot of what he really was and spent time reading with him or just being eager to learn from him, Camilla would have eventually been dislodged. If I had been in Diana's shoes, I would have gotten footage of Camilla running around Highgrove and then shown it to the world, and then proceeded to try to get Parliament to get Camilla under control or OUT of Charles' life one way or another. I find it disgusting that Camilla was allowed to undermine the main pillar of the monarchical system, that is, undermining the marriage of the Prince and Princess of Wales. Diana refused to grow, learn, and adapt emotionally and psychologically and if she had, she would have realized just how vulnerable Camilla was in certain areas. If Diana had helped with speeches, promoted the Trust, and engaged in projects with Charles, there would have been a better marriage and respect that Diana craved would have been earned and maintained. It wasn't sexual wiles that attracted Charles (most men do NOT like their wives 'out there' sexually) and it wasn't press pressure (that Charles likely resented and then hated) it was brains and also sophistication and also his work that attracted him. I do think that Camilla could be dislodged, if only Diana gave Charles something that didn't go to someone else.
The worst thing she did to her sons, was raise them with the belief that everything they did outside of palace protocol was fun. Waiting in line to them was fun, mooching around and watching the telly was 'fun' and not doing appearances was fun instead of fulfilling. She should never have raised them to think that she knew what normalcy was and she never should have raised them to think that they had a right to want more than what they already had. She should have raise them to have a better attitude towards attending official events and should have raised them to revel in going to banquets and overseas tours and should have raised them to avoid overthinking their stations in life and just focus on the present and all its privileges. Neither prince should have been raised with any illusions about middle class life/struggles and should have been set straight out how there is no real place for them in the middle class mainstream. William should have been raised by Diana to take pride in his place in history and to maintain links with the courtiers who do want him to succeed and should have raised Harry to basically explore areas of life where he would think he would like to help. Jet setting did neither prince any favors and Diana really did fail them in their adolescence. I also believe that if Diana had remained chaste for just three or four years, she would have gone in a very different direction. She would be alive, she would had tidied herself up, and she would have been a better mother figure for her sons who were messed up by the divorce and other scandals.
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2022 17:56:29 GMT
The worst cultural influence that Diana did have, was the idealization of femininity being defined as a woman being dependent and infantile well past the age where that kind of behavior is normal. At 25, she should have made her peace with her choice to marry Charles, fully realized all her advantages, and she should have been smart (and mature) enough to see that she had limitless resources that would allow her major spheres of independence and for a woman who was loaded with resources, she was pathetically dependent in so many areas. The whole point of those privileges is to enable the royals to be independent at the earliest possible age and Diana refused to do that, to grow and mature beyond wanting to be taken care of. By 30 she should have been a fully contributing part of Charles' life and she should have been spending time volunteering at the Prince's Trust, promoting Save the Children in the press, and should have been obtaining treatment (and cooperating) for her issues and coming to terms with the reality that she had a great life and could help other women get treatment for bulimia and dealing with mental health issues. I also believe that she failed to do her part as a wife in her constant refusal to support Charles' hobbies and interests and she failed as a mother to raise her sons to see the good life they had and should have groomed them to accept that there are areas of life where they never will truly belong. There are a ton of women who would benefit from having a fraction of her resources, but she took those resources and misused them for her own pathetic vanity. The whole point of her role as consort was to support Charles in his work and it wasn't asking too much that she contribute at least eight hours of her day in his office at his side helping things along. If she had, her marriage would have survived even Camilla's machinations.
Diana promoted the ideal that if a person is privileged, then they should be cared for and coddled and if a person is disadvantaged, they should be more self sufficient. Diana was highly privileged and still demanded more coddling and this view has manifested it in a lot of middle/upper middle class families where parents refuse to demand that their kids develop self sufficiency and instead want their kids carried through uni and then carried through life. It has manifested in that the modern royals demand more perks and more privacy and more freedom, despite everything they already have. It has led to a cultural split and it is unfair that struggling people are supposed to feel sorry for the hyper-privileged and under-worked. Even worse, Diana promoted the belief that it's 'boring' or 'old fashioned' to enjoy work, to enjoy responsibility, to step up and take on challenges. There are able bodied middle class kids who prefer to take out loans rather than make material sacrifices and prefer to have their debt paid off rather than exercise basic self respect and civic duty by working in trade and paying it off. That the absolute feminine ideal is to land that one rich guy who will pay your way through life, just like Kate managed. There are a lot of women who could use a real break and help, but since they are not privileged enough in the eyes of the mainstream society, they are supposed to just tough it out like good little plebs.
She was not someone who should have been getting away with complaining about her lot in life and what "the Crown" didn't cover is how living with bulimia or anyone who is unstable is a frightening experience. As for Camilla, Diana could have wormed Camilla out if she had had the brains to see that Camilla was only able to exert a hold over Charles insofar that Charles felt isolated emotionally and psychologically. If Diana had seen Charles for a lot of what he really was and spent time reading with him or just being eager to learn from him, Camilla would have eventually been dislodged. If I had been in Diana's shoes, I would have gotten footage of Camilla running around Highgrove and then shown it to the world, and then proceeded to try to get Parliament to get Camilla under control or OUT of Charles' life one way or another. I find it disgusting that Camilla was allowed to undermine the main pillar of the monarchical system, that is, undermining the marriage of the Prince and Princess of Wales. Diana refused to grow, learn, and adapt emotionally and psychologically and if she had, she would have realized just how vulnerable Camilla was in certain areas. If Diana had helped with speeches, promoted the Trust, and engaged in projects with Charles, there would have been a better marriage and respect that Diana craved would have been earned and maintained. It wasn't sexual wiles that attracted Charles (most men do NOT like their wives 'out there' sexually) and it wasn't press pressure (that Charles likely resented and then hated) it was brains and also sophistication and also his work that attracted him. I do think that Camilla could be dislodged, if only Diana gave Charles something that didn't go to someone else. The worst thing she did to her sons, was raise them with the belief that everything they did outside of palace protocol was fun. Waiting in line to them was fun, mooching around and watching the telly was 'fun' and not doing appearances was fun instead of fulfilling. She should never have raised them to think that she knew what normalcy was and she never should have raised them to think that they had a right to want more than what they already had. She should have raise them to have a better attitude towards attending official events and should have raised them to revel in going to banquets and overseas tours and should have raised them to avoid overthinking their stations in life and just focus on the present and all its privileges. Neither prince should have been raised with any illusions about middle class life/struggles and should have been set straight out how there is no real place for them in the middle class mainstream. William should have been raised by Diana to take pride in his place in history and to maintain links with the courtiers who do want him to succeed and should have raised Harry to basically explore areas of life where he would think he would like to help. Jet setting did neither prince any favors and Diana really did fail them in their adolescence. I also believe that if Diana had remained chaste for just three or four years, she would have gone in a very different direction. She would be alive, she would had tidied herself up, and she would have been a better mother figure for her sons who were messed up by the divorce and other scandals.
I really believe you should write a book. Seriously - this is brilliant. |
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Post by kueifei on Mar 16, 2022 3:06:30 GMT
I sincerely think that Diana kind of ended up like any other woman who makes one bad choice after another and in a very literal sense, she hit a wall at near forty. She was a woman who was spiraling. Hasnat wouldn't have married her, but her attempts to make him jealous only had to have cheapened her. Whenever I read about her, I keep seeing a woman who sometimes spoke about female empowerment (needing a career rather than a man) I am reminded of those housewives who spout about feminine empowerment, but do not realize that they themselves are not empowered at all. Diana was dressed and coiffed excellently and it came from her husband's bank account. She had a platform, but it came from her husband's titles. She had media coverage, but it was because of who she married. She was not empowered and her areas of empowerment were in fact very minor and by association, not in her own right. I find myself chagrined that she had all that she did, but for some reason, people didn't think her life was fun and interesting and literally historical. She was moved into the literal history books the minute she married Charles. Then she screwed it all up for an independence that was ephemeral and a complete sham. She had no real profession and had no real concrete qualifications and she reminds me of women we read about who leave their husbands and are actually surprised by the fact that she didn't get the 'big launch' that she thought she would. Diana really did think for a while that the palace would fund a rival court, rival royal, and rival agenda and she did believe that she would become a diplomat and make peace among nations without realizing that she didn't have not just qualifications, but credibility. She did not at all have any proven stamina in the area of completing her studies and sticking with serious pursuits. After her marriage, she could have continued studying and could have continued building an intellectual mindset and could have easily gained a lot of cred if she had just stopped the vanity and the self destructiveness. She should have also done her part to stop making so many spiteful acts. She spent so much of her time hating her husband and his family and then who knows who else that it is clear that much of her hurt was inside her head and of her own making.
Thing is with the self destructive, is that it is a lie that they only hurt themselves. In that vortex that was her never ending self inflicted pain, she hurt Charles daily until he stopped living with her and got fed up and it is clear that she hurt her sons to the point where they really did think that even after she died, it was their job to take care of her instead of just healing with her death and honoring her memory and living a good life. She hurt the people who truly tried to help her (the courtiers and HM and Prince Philip) and did horrific damage to the ability of each prince to trust and get help from the Establishment that would always WANT to be there for them. I know what it is like to live with someone who is making you PAY for making them into something other than a louche loser (my dad, last I will ever say right now) and Charles made Diana into a historical fixture and she made him suffer for it. I sincerely wonder how anyone would think that Diana would end up in a concrete geopolitical situation when people were watching her make a spectacle of herself in her spare time. It is clear that she was going to end in a bad place one way or another and there is nothing that the palace could do to stop her. Diana humiliated herself with various men, but she hurt her sons in that she was cheapening herself during a point in their development that they NEEDED a positive, constructive, female figure in their lives. During adolescence, kids develop an idea of a 'good woman' from the behavior of their mother or any other influential female figure in their lives. If their mother is messed up, it will mess up their idea of what a 'good woman' is and it is clear that Diana did NOT do a good job. She never should have been showing so much of herself off and if she had been more modest and living a quieter life, instead of what she chose, chances are her sons would be better off and she would be alive.
She wanted respect, but she wanted everyone to feel sorry for her. She wanted a life without Charles and got it, but never found a decent man since the majority of them were taken and by 36, she was past the age where she was behaving (like an eternal ingenue) and she would not stop messing with one guy after another. She started to hit a wall 'professionally' because she had no profession and geopolitics is not BEGGING for under-educated women with no concrete resume or concrete qualifications to work in that area. If she had gone into acting, she would have gladly fit in for a while, but her lack of ability to meet a demanding schedule where REAL money is on the line would have caused her to fail. I have said a lot of things about entertainers, but you HAVE to avoid the self destructive vortex that Diana eventually chose. After losing her "HRH" she was reduced not just socially, but in the press since the press is notoriously abusive to those who are 'famous for being famous' and Diana didn't really think that she would be required to get off her fanny and stop making herself puke or act out. In my view, fame is impossible if you in fact do not have much to back up an image or 'brand.' She was a flimsy little ornament that was good for appearances, but nothing else. She had all these grand plans that were good ones (documentaries about one critical issue or another), but I wonder how long that would have lasted if she had in fact lived. With her mess of a personal life, she was becoming increasingly discredited and she was a train wreck, fascinating to watch, but upsetting as well. She wasn't a fame addict, she was a drama addict and like most addicts, never come to a good end unless they take tough steps and get out of that mess. Diana however lacked that kind of stamina and self honesty. She was a celebrity, not a celebrity royal and her main focus was preserving her 'brand,' not her reputation or much of anything else. BY the end of her life she was being stripped of all respect and she was doing much of it to herself. She got into bed with Hoare, engaged in psychopathic stalking behaviors, and then messed with Carling and wrecked that marriage. Then with Dodi he was in fact engaged, but go figure, didn't stop Diana. I do not know if whether or not Diana did in fact see that the world would have been moving on without her and would have ended up fed up with her.
As for financial independence, that came from her marriage settlement and came from the taxpayer. She didn't even have a real home of her own, she was living at KP and I wonder how much Diana realized that her lack of willingness to get a concrete life of her own resulted in the sleazebags that she ran with. Most men around her age were engaged in a profession and didn't have time for her histrionics and didn't want to drop their work and soothe her emotional orgasms. Or the continued BS surrounding her delusion of globetrotting humanitarianism where she would pose, have an emotional collapse at a refugee camp, and then her husband would 'do her work' at the expense of having a life of his own.
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2022 3:21:24 GMT
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2022 3:22:00 GMT
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2022 3:22:23 GMT
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2022 3:22:48 GMT
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tale BS.
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