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Post by Admin on Nov 15, 2021 13:50:04 GMT
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Post by Admin on Nov 15, 2021 13:55:51 GMT
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Post by Admin on Nov 15, 2021 13:56:35 GMT
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Post by Admin on Nov 15, 2021 14:02:08 GMT
Aside: In case he doesn't know the truth...
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Post by kueifei on Nov 15, 2021 22:55:28 GMT
Why can't people just blame Diana for getting mixed up with Bashir since she was the one who was needed to make it happen. IF she had welshed out, she would likely still be married and the war against her husband would have been actively defused. I also think that if Diana had been held responsible, she would have been chastened in a way that would have prevented more destruction. The "War of the Waleses" was largely one sided and Tina Brown mentioned in her book that Diana had to take her war with her husband into consideration as a factor in her decision making process, but that was one-sided since after all, she did the Morton book and Charles retaliated with his book and interview and basically Diana escalated. No one pointed a gun to Diana's head and made her do the interview. It's not like Diana was nineteen and unaware that actions have consequences. I also sincerely think that I would have persoanlly preferred to strip Diana of the title "Princess of Wales" and tell Diana that if she needed money, there were her rich boyfriends who would pay her way. The Bashir interview was all Diana's doing and it was the result of manic escalation that was digging Diana's grave long before she ended up dead in a Paris underpass. She was addicted to drama, she escalated each chance she got, and it killed her. She was damaged as a kid and early marriage was the last thing that she needed at nineteen, but it was done and she refused to take steps that would have gotten and kept her healthy and functional. She was 100% responsible for Bashir and the resulting divorce (after delivering a MAJOR insult to the nanny Tiggy) and she was 100% responsible for her choices after the divorce. She also let her ambition dig her grave as well. She had the ambition to overthrow her husband and use her son via a Regency and that likely did permanent damage to William in ways that were not detected and treated.
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Post by Admin on Nov 16, 2021 14:12:58 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Nov 16, 2021 15:48:24 GMT
How many more times are people going to give Diana the excuse to prevent her from being held responsible for her actions? This was all her doing and as someone who has had mental troubles in the past, Diana is not someone who was without resources and time to work effectively on her own mental health. If Diana had been sick, truly mentally disconnected, she would not have been so cunning in pulling off the Bashir interview and she would not have rehearsed, and she would not have then proceeded to release it on the day of the Gunpowder plot. She would also not have lied about what she was up to to her staff and I quite frankly get sick of hearing how a 35 year old woman was basically given every excuse, as if she were a nineteen year old ingenue instead of a fully grown woman of the world who was used to taking up with multiple lovers.
I just have to update this:
As someone who has experience in the issue of mental illness, if Diana had been sincerely sick, she would not have been able to pull off that kind of long term planning. I speak from experience when I say that if I get sick, common sense and any kind of connected planning goes out the window.
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Post by cheryl on Nov 21, 2021 23:13:59 GMT
I was around when Charles and Diana got engaged and then were married. She was a very naive 19 year old, who had never slept with a man. She was thrown in at the deep end. Charles was still in contact with Camilla, and Diana became paranoid. I'm not sure I wouldn't have at that age. Had The Queen stepped in instead of throwing up her hands and saying Charles was impossible, things might have been different. I was in London when Diana died and was there for her funeral, it was awful to see William and Harry walking behind her coffin. I lost respect for Charles and for Diana and don't have respect for Camilla. The RF are on it's last legs.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 23, 2021 1:41:12 GMT
I think the one thing that was part of Diana's undoing was how she thought she was hot stuff, despite the fact that she hadn't really ended up being anything other than hot, young, titled, and if she hadn't copped such an attitude, she might have ended up alive and still a Princess of Wales. She did amazing work for AIDS victims, but thing is, that she really did begin to think she was better than her husband and knew more than her own MIL, who was also her Sovereign. Her 'empowerment' came from her husband's money and the taxpayer money and her looks came from the best makeup and couture that money could buy. She had the freest possible ride and while she was understandably wounded, she was not exceptional in that she was a young wife/consort, there were many who were married off at much younger ages throughout history. She really did think she could bring the entire system of monarchy to heel and she really did think that she would become an ambassador/peacemaker despite no qualifications or genuine mental stability.
Tina Brown was right in that Diana did inaugurate the era of entertainers as activists and did end up setting up the mindset that entertainers had a right to a seat at the table despite not studying or even working for it. Diana, a secondary school dropout, managed to get private meetings with heads of state; meanwhile people who study like crazy and make huge sacrifices still struggle to get more than a form letter response. What entitled Leonardo DiCaprio to a meeting with a President or a Prime Minister or getting in on conferences with diplomats? Makes me seethe.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 4:43:53 GMT
How many more times are people going to give Diana the excuse to prevent her from being held responsible for her actions? This was all her doing and as someone who has had mental troubles in the past, Diana is not someone who was without resources and time to work effectively on her own mental health. If Diana had been sick, truly mentally disconnected, she would not have been so cunning in pulling off the Bashir interview and she would not have rehearsed, and she would not have then proceeded to release it on the day of the Gunpowder plot. She would also not have lied about what she was up to to her staff and I quite frankly get sick of hearing how a 35 year old woman was basically given every excuse, as if she were a nineteen year old ingenue instead of a fully grown woman of the world who was used to taking up with multiple lovers. I just have to update this:
As someone who has experience in the issue of mental illness, if Diana had been sincerely sick, she would not have been able to pull off that kind of long term planning. I speak from experience when I say that if I get sick, common sense and any kind of connected planning goes out the window.
Thanks for sharing that.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 25, 2021 4:56:50 GMT
How many more times are people going to give Diana the excuse to prevent her from being held responsible for her actions? This was all her doing and as someone who has had mental troubles in the past, Diana is not someone who was without resources and time to work effectively on her own mental health. If Diana had been sick, truly mentally disconnected, she would not have been so cunning in pulling off the Bashir interview and she would not have rehearsed, and she would not have then proceeded to release it on the day of the Gunpowder plot. She would also not have lied about what she was up to to her staff and I quite frankly get sick of hearing how a 35 year old woman was basically given every excuse, as if she were a nineteen year old ingenue instead of a fully grown woman of the world who was used to taking up with multiple lovers. I just have to update this:
As someone who has experience in the issue of mental illness, if Diana had been sincerely sick, she would not have been able to pull off that kind of long term planning. I speak from experience when I say that if I get sick, common sense and any kind of connected planning goes out the window.
Thanks for sharing that.
Thank you! You are very welcome and I am SO GLAD I find so much tolerance on this forum. I am sick of mental illness being a catch-all; Diana likely had Narcissistic Personality Disorder and maybe Histrionic Personality Disorder and the thing with personality disorders, is that it is part of who that person is. Mental illness is just a chemical imbalance and is something that is just your physical health being out of whack like diabetes or something else. Diana was someone who (near the end of her life) sincerely believed that she could be a real ambassador for the UK and be a peacemaker and so and and so forth and that is how far she was gone in terms of narcissism. Despite being the Princess of Wales and already being a 'roving ambassador' for her nation, she really did think that she could be some kind of diplomatic therapist and be some kind of third thing that she was in fact just making up as she went along.
It makes me angry mainly since she stupidly inaugurated (as I've posted before) the era where entertainers are suddenly entitled to be part of things that they do not study for, do not educate themselves for, and certainly, are NOT stable enough to know anything about, much less be involved in, even less make decisions affecting the lives of millions. Diana bridged a gap between celebrity and royalty and it is WRECKED royalty mainly since royals really, sincerely think they know more and make more sacrifices than diplomats, or politicians, or anyone else who is actually on the ground DOING the actual work. I also resent how royals are obsessed about 'being global' instead of focusing on improving the lot of their people. Now we have nitwits spouting off about AIDS or trafficking (the York princesses of all people attending sexual violence summits are irony in action) or climate change when their people foot their bills is a slap in the face.
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2021 5:36:11 GMT
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sandirankaduwa/diana-spencer-movie-musicalCULTURE & CRITICISM Why Are We Still So Obsessed With Princess Diana? Recent art about the late princess exploits and oversimplifies the royal’s trauma. Picture of Sandi Rankaduwa Sandi Rankaduwa BuzzFeed Contributor Posted on December 6, 2021, at 10:47 a.m. ET She’s not treated as a real person in these varied mediums, but more as an abstract concept: a victim and martyr — an idol we can project onto. The production might’ve gelled more if it were pointedly satirical or campy, but it has too much earnestness — not to mention a weird, false sense of profundity.
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2021 5:37:57 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 16, 2021 15:09:30 GMT
Despite the fact that she never wanted to lose Charles, she never let up on him and never actually did anything to accommodate him or learn his interests. She sulked, made herself puke, insulted him in front of staff and allegedly hit him with a bible; just hitting someone with ANYTHING is assault and within a marriage, that is domestic violence. When you read about how she belittled his every interest, mocked him, then proceeded later in the (near end of) marriage to smear his reputation to a point where she blew up the unquestioned reality of hereditary succession, she was being pretty deranged and for someone who wanted to save her marriage, she certainly was making bad choices. When you throw in the tantrums and demands that her SOVEREIGN and in-law justify their own way of life/routines for her, it is clear that not one thing in the world would have made her happy. According to hospitalization criteria (and I do speak from experience) threatening suicide is enough to get someone locked up and so is self harm. Then there is the pathological lying and deception and it is clear that she needed to be locked up until she was stabilized, no matter how long it took. And then there will be the fact that "Her True Story" has been outed as a pack of lies and people buy the Netflix version as gospel. Quite bluntly, Diana's per-appearnce nerves just ticked me off. She just would not let up on herself or others around her. She married young, but in her way of life, she was not out of line with her way other women were. It is not like Diana was foreign to her own way of life and put bluntly, she made a terrible choice to try to indulge in 'normalcy.' She made the bad choice to make people believe that you can be part of that way of life and that the royal life is not all different from 'normal life' yet the reality (something Diana had problems accepting) is that it is impossible since the royal way of life is in fact paid for by taxpayers.
What made Diana cheap in the end, was how she threw away her different way of being to try to be 'normal,' but she was in the end just a beck and call good time girl. Her wedding dress was perfect for a Princess since a Princess is NOT supposed to be dressing like every other bride at her wedding and was not supposed to be wearing a tube dress at her wedding in nuptial mass in Westminster Abbey of all people. She threw away everything that made her special and exceptional and chose instead to be a silly little celebutante and inaugurate the era of celebrity activism where she wasn't so much one of many, but she was becoming the epitome of an era that has damaged the ability for geopolitics to be treated as seriously as it deserves. There are a TON of people whose life's passion involves studying, getting an education, and researching exhaustively, but they can't get access and meanwhile, a moron entertainer gets access despite having nothing intelligent to say. Charles could easily discuss innovative farming and speak about helping the struggling youth, but since he lacks charisma, he lacks the ability to connect like his ex-wife. Instead of facilitating and supporting Charles' work, Diana tripped him up every chance she got. Is it any wonder he got sick of her, that the 'establishment' ended up cutting her out and getting fed up? If I had been HM, I would have announced that Diana would be known as "Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor" and would no longer be addressed with any styles/titles that would denote a connection to the BRF. Then I would end up kicking her out of KP and tell her to use her own settlement to get a place of her own or hook up with one of her rich lovers and have them foot the bill. If she had pulled any of those power plays, I would have told her that if she refuses to consent to a divorce and drags this out, I would have told her to suffer and pawn her jewels and I would have thrown her out of her huge palatial suite and into a handful of rooms, maybe three or four basic rooms and told her to move out if she didn't like it. I mean really, for the palace to support Diana in the way that she did, plus income for her office maintenance, Diana should have been far more grateful. Once Diana started acting out in the way that she did, I would have ended up choosing to yank visitation with the boys until she straightened up.
As for her death, I think her fans have troubles accepted that Diana was no longer important to much of anyone in geopolitics. Diana being murdered by a government would encourage her fans to believe that Diana was more important than she actually was at that point in time and it is clear that she was just someone that officials were indulging, but expected her to go away at some point in time into the Siberia of celebrity irrelevance. Her fans can't cope with the fact that she was no longer important to really anyone other than the press that was making money off of her and second, Diana was having problems accepting the loss of official status that ended up coming from the divorce she wanted so badly. I also think that Diana freaked out at how the palace called her bluff many times and ended up making it clear that she would not bully them and she was shocked that after the divorce, that a lot of people were no longer going to receive her. If she had lived up to and past 2001, she would not have been able to adapt to a world that was in fact moving on past coddling entertainers and pretending to take the idiots seriously. Diana died in a car accident that was preventable and she died in an accident that is a cheap ending to a life that would have been so much better if she had made better choices.
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Post by Admin on Jan 23, 2022 16:40:47 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Jan 24, 2022 6:06:55 GMT
I find it bitter that Diana thought so little of hereditary privilege despite the fact that everything she had was because of hereditary privilege. She really was brainless enough to blow up the previously unquestioned principle of hereditary birthright, but if not for it, she would be a nobody. Charles was Prince of Wales by birthright and the only reason that he was able to provide her with a privileged lifestyle that came with being his wife/consort. Then Diana gave birth to William, enhancing her stature and she ended up being enhanced because of the fact that William was in fact there by birthright, not accomplishment. Diana's Ladyship title came from her birth, not her accomplishment of successfully looking after a guinea pig.She gave the double finger to the very establishment she came from and who (up until Panorama and Andrew Morton) had her back every step of the way. Biographers all agree (with the exception of Andrew Morton) that the courtiers did all they could to help and did all they could to help her along. Even HM gave in all the time not wanting to upset Diana. Diana was loved and wanted and was someone who was welcomed with open arms and now she blew it all up. Her son is delusional enough to think that he can overthrow his father with no real consequences and Harry is running around Hollywood and likely running out of money and he has completely lost his dignity and respect.
What grates the most, is how Diana decided to shred Charles' rep all over the world mainly since she didn't get to remain and "HRH" and be crowned as Queen Consort despite being the ex-spouse. In my view, it was a naked power grab and I loathe how Diana didn't see that by questioning hereditary right and such, that she was allowing enemies of the monarchical system to justify it's removal. By admitting adultery with Hewitt she was bringing into question the legitimacy of her second son and then of course wrecking Harry's peace of mind. Then outing Camilla and wrecking Camilla's marriage and then proceeding to wonder WHY Camilla ended up moving in on Charles more intensely now that Camilla no longer had a man to support her financially or even a home left. I mean really. After Andrew Morton and Panorama, she justified/validated every little thing that the tabloids said, therefore choosing to empower the tabloids and permanently damage the ability of the palace to protect her and her sons from tabloids/media that was becoming increasingly out of control.
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:01:25 GMT
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:02:55 GMT
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:04:53 GMT
Aside: Diana didn't come from royal stock; she came from a quite latter-day enobled family. And look at them today - nothing special or especially noble with either their merits or characters. Yes, and nothing really noble about Camilla, either - her GGG(?) grandmother was nothing more than a glorified prostitute and neglectful mother. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_family
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2022 1:09:02 GMT
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