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Post by kueifei on Jun 8, 2023 21:28:06 GMT
Did she ever think to give her pelvic area a rest?
I sincerely think there is no point to pretending that Diana was ever faithful. If she was messing with Mannakee or messing with the other men while married to Charles, no wonder Charles turned to Camilla. I know this is horrifically sexist of me to say, but I believe that Diana had no right to be so righteous when she was messing with all these men, mostly while still legally married to Charles. I didn't know of the others and this puts more into perspective.
I think what Diana hated more than anything else, was being just like everyone else of her class and background. She had a difficult point in her life with the divorce of her parents, but still saw her mother almost all the time and had a mother that wanted her in her life. Her mother never rejected her. Then when looking back Diana decided to call it something else, blowing up the situation and making it seem that she and her brother were torn from a screaming mother's arms. As if Diana and her sisters and brothers were collected by a dour coachman from their helpless and impoverished mother. Quite the opposite likely.
Childhood. Tina Brown paints a more logical and realistic picture of her life. A Winnie-the-Pooh type of life and she was right to describe Diana as largely no different than other privileged girls. After her grandfather died Diana became "Lady Diana" and moved into the huge huge Althorp estate. She socialized with other privileged types and she associated with childhood chums whose ancestry she knew in detail. She even spent her time with the royal family. She blew it up to sound as if she lived in a house where the father was hostile to her (opposite) her stepmother was a monstrous philistine who snatched all she could from her stepchildren and sabotaged her relationship with her father, quite the opposite.
Teen years. No different than any privileged type for her era. She came into funds, invested in a Central London equivalent of a private penthouse and she also ended up working to pass time until she could find a husband. She also ended up never really 'working' outside of Belgravia and that is saying a lot and she had a Coutts bank account. Diana's work consisted of coddling kids from equally privileged backgrounds and so she really was not someone who was even interested in anything other than what her life in her bubble was like for anyone. She never even had to pretend to need additional education and qualifications. Yet she promoted herself as being part of the same working classes as everyone else and pulled it off magnificently.
Twenties. Married into the BRF and had the full support of the establishment and public and national treasury. Proceeded to decide to see what she believed, not the other way around and proceeded to engage in adultery and whining, despite the fact that her husband was the one to blame in her eyes. Then there is the fact that she was bathed in adulation, swimming in cash while bedecked in jewels that were both ancestral and pieces that cost as much as a four bedroom home to maintain. Then there is the fact that she had couture for night events while dining with the most powerful people in the world and even had dinner with the Queen of Saudi Arabia herself (who the public NEVER sees) and it is clear that she was feted for all the things that other people get blasted for. Yet for her, this was a TERRIBLE slog and a HUGE burden and a HUGE daily crucifixion.
Thirties. Full blown self destruction. She announced to the world about her husband's adultery, promoted overthrowing Charles and the monarchy in general, and then proceeded to attempt to take on the world with no qualifications and no stability. It's not like she didn't already have a roving ambassador status as a result of being married to her husband. The way she spun it, she was a 'liberated woman' who ended up being freed from the 'shackles' of her marriage and she was planning on taking the world by storm. Go figure, she literally hit a wall. The reality of her post-divorce life was unstable, berserk, and it was loaded with raunchy behavior that wasn't entertaining or exciting or tragic, it was raunchy and she really degraded herself. She was clearly a woman who threw all her self respect away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 1:29:22 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Jun 12, 2023 17:52:55 GMT
If Diana had lived, she would have been the female Leo DiCaprio, basically still famous, maxing out social media, but she would be struggling to find a real place for herself in a world that is not at all oriented toward the uneducated and the myopic. DiCaprio does not do social media to my knowledge, but he is last of a generation of celebrity that didn't require education/training to get good roles and for a high point in the 90's and first decade of this new century, celebs were even coursing into politics, being feted by other foreign heads of state. Thing is, that even before the pandemic, it was waning down and it is clear that no one wants stupid people at the top just because they are marketable. Diana was heading for a wall before she literally hit one. After the accident, if she had lived, Charles would have nursed her back to health, surely, but thing is, that Diana would not stop escalation and she would not stop making her life harder on herself.
Diana kind of reminds me of Betty Broderick, someone who wanted to be a wife/mother, but would not see that her husband wasn't owned by her and even after a while, Dan didn't owe her anything anymore. After Charles married her, Diana was overburdened, but she was someone who was in fact protected by the people she was taking shots at all the time. Diana was always taking shots at the courtiers who worked hard to arrange her events, arrange her press, arrange her general life and she also would not see that people around her always had their own lives and responsibilities. She would not accept that Charles' preference for Camilla was lust and it was clear Camilla was pulling things, but Diana had all the ammo if she had been willing to make the effort. Diana would not see that her idea of a partnership in her marriage was one where she was mentally adding up what she felt she was owed and then proceeding to make Charles suffer for it. Like Betty she didn't want to do much with her life, but she felt that Charles 'ruined' her life in her late teens/early twenties despite the fact that she herself had no interest outside of her privileged life. She had literally no exposure to anything outside of Belgravia or Earls Court or anywhere outside of highly privileged environments.
Diana, like Betty, thought that by doing some kind of formula (something I am guilty of) that she would get something in exchange, without realizing that she already had everything. Betty murdered her former husband while Diana just ruined Charles' reputation and the reputation of the family that let her in. Diana tallied her successes and used it as leverage against her husband instead of being grateful and she stupidly thought that she was the one who built the royal bubble. Instead of tallying up her successes like a business partnership or looking at her minor drawbacks as traumatic experiences, she could have just stacked it as substance behind the status and continued to build on that. If she had built her mind and maturity, she would have had the respect from others that she clearly craved.
Then her dating years.
She divorced Charles and shredded his rep in the process and even her most sincere supporters mention how she was always going into bed with various men. Then she ran into Hasnat and could have had a great chance with him, but regrettably she blew it by pestering him to give up his life that he had worked hard to build in his own right. Then there is the fact that he would marry a Pakistani Muslim and Diana didn't know this, but Muslim men execute wives that they even suspect of adultery. Diana likely did not impress his family by acting immature, like an immature child and there is no way Diana had the inbuilt sexual self control that Muslim wives are required to have just to survive. I do not think Diana would have landed a high value man unless she realized that she needed to get education, training, and grow up out of her childhood. Like DiCaprio, I think she would be gone to seed, kind of a wreck, and badly embittered by Camilla's ascension and Charles being crowned. Diana would have likely started up trouble and continued to humiliate her sons. If she had ended up living and being required to use her own money to get a home of her own, she would have flipped at that and (as usual) accused the BRF of trying to make her life harder by forcing her to be self sufficient.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2023 22:59:21 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jun 26, 2023 0:39:07 GMT
Couldn't resist...
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Post by kueifei on Jun 27, 2023 1:22:32 GMT
The man is mental. Elton did however sell a record amount of discs after her funeral.
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Post by kueifei on Aug 16, 2023 1:53:19 GMT
This makes me steaming mad:
Levin: Queen Camilla ‘showed little interest in any job, let alone a career’
How frustrating.
Camilla was not raised to be much of anything other than responsible wife, mother, minor chatelaine. I dislike how Camilla always got an easy ride (by riding on her back) while Diana was a work horse. Diana was unable to stabilize because Camilla WOULD NOT LET UP and would not remain in her place. Camilla is the reason Diana was unable to stabilize and I am angry at how Camilla is decreasing her duties at a point where they should be increased. If Diana were crowned, she would be expected to do her duty and put a smile on her face. Camilla always got the light load and I am angry that Camilla is yet again getting more breaks than Diana.
Diana is in a cold premature grave and her two sons were placed second because of Camilla and this sow has the nerve to pose as an earthy type.
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2023 17:22:56 GMT
This makes me steaming mad:
Levin: Queen Camilla ‘showed little interest in any job, let alone a career’ How frustrating.
Camilla was not raised to be much of anything other than responsible wife, mother, minor chatelaine. I dislike how Camilla always got an easy ride (by riding on her back) while Diana was a work horse. Diana was unable to stabilize because Camilla WOULD NOT LET UP and would not remain in her place. Camilla is the reason Diana was unable to stabilize and I am angry at how Camilla is decreasing her duties at a point where they should be increased. If Diana were crowned, she would be expected to do her duty and put a smile on her face. Camilla always got the light load and I am angry that Camilla is yet again getting more breaks than Diana.
Diana is in a cold premature grave and her two sons were placed second because of Camilla and this sow has the nerve to pose as an earthy type.
Some of Levin's crap: www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1100157-fun-loving-lazy-camilla-changes-herself-for-king-charlesThere are no words about the BP having to prop up the laziest and nastiest excuses for royal spouses nowadays. I am literally going to be in Europe shortly to research a real princess who had 2 sons and was written out of the family narrative for over 200 years. I can't EVEN deal with these types anymore. Total low-brow and useless women all in it to enrich themselves - where is the justice?
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Post by kueifei on Aug 18, 2023 20:00:24 GMT
Diana handed the BRF a pop cultural media empire and they blew it; for a harlot like Camilla to be crowned is a huge slap in the face to women who make very real sacrifices. In fact, Camilla is the reason feminism in the second wave happened; mistresses are becoming wives at an alarming rate and it is clear that there isn't any real security in marriage anymore and second, even more worrisome, is how second wives demand that the husbands dump not just the wife, but the kids as well. Camilla caused William and Harry to be placed second and that is unforgivable. Camilla IS the reason that Diana was at a loose end and second Camilla wasn't looking for acceptance, she was looking for validation. She was looking to have the world approve of her going from mistress to wife. She wants the world to tell her that being a mistress was okay, that being the second wife is okay, that it wasn't her fault that the Wales marriage broke up. She is still seeking it even to this day! that is why she wanted to be known as Queen, that is why she wanted to get crowned and that is why she hired her relations as attendants. She can't cope with the realities that she damaged the marriage of a crown prince and princess and also humiliated her nation and her children. Camilla never paid the dues and second, if Charles had been more of a man and less the perpetual little boy, he would have marshaled his support to shove Camilla out. Diana had a right to her peace of mind being protected against Camilla and second, the minute Camilla leaked stuff about his marriage problems, that affair should have been terminated. He should have matured beyond being a mama's boy.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 3, 2023 1:18:10 GMT
I wish Diana had been smarter about her situation.
1. The monarchy did not want a divorce; Diana's situation was HIGHLY secure and while Camilla was an out-of-control mess, there were a great many areas that Camilla could not touch.
2. Diana had the courtiers on her side. A lot of them hated Camilla and looked down on Camilla. Second, they were supportive of Diana and wanted her to be strong and independent and successful and thriving. 3. All Diana had to do was reach out to a handful of wives of ambassadors and politicians and Camilla could have been quickly fixed. The Highgrove set was in fact not powerful in ways that Diana's many female supporters were. Diana never developed the ruthlessness of many political wives do in order to not just handle their lives but enjoy them. 4. Diana should have grown up and accepted that her advantages outweighed her disadvantages. She was not someone who was living in poverty or without connections and in "The Crown" Prince Philip did tell her that she could do anything, make any arrangements, as long as she did not raise her voice against any member of the BRF. Not a bad deal. 5. She could win Charles over if she stopped the self-destructive behavior and choices. All she had to do was delve into her life and I think her therapist was grossly irresponsible for focusing on her decidedly idyllic childhood instead of focusing on coping methods and personal responsibility. 6. If she had developed her mind and matured like others have to and start respecting rules and boundaries, she would have won her husband over. She would not at all be dead if she had kept the press at bay and not allowed the press corps to think they are part of her family. 7. Fancying herself some kind of pop culture feminist icon when she was nothing of the sort. She was a Princess Consort of Wales, had never even wanted to work out of necessity or pleasure and everything she had come from the men in her life. Wrecking her husband's reputation and shattering the credibilty of the succession was not an act of an empowered woman.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 13, 2023 2:13:46 GMT
Was Diana ever really happy? What was it about her that wouldn't let her be happy with her privileged lot in life? She wasn't someone who had nothing and no one to turn to. She always had someone and she was never happy and she always had resources and she wasn't happy. How many times do I have to see Princess Diana documentaries on YouTube or elsewhere talking about her 'tragic life.'
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2023 14:17:30 GMT
Was Diana ever really happy? What was it about her that wouldn't let her be happy with her privileged lot in life? She wasn't someone who had nothing and no one to turn to. She always had someone and she was never happy and she always had resources and she wasn't happy. How many times do I have to see Princess Diana documentaries on YouTube or elsewhere talking about her 'tragic life.' Tragic life? Oh, pu-leeze.
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2023 15:13:41 GMT
Was Diana ever really happy? What was it about her that wouldn't let her be happy with her privileged lot in life? She wasn't someone who had nothing and no one to turn to. She always had someone and she was never happy and she always had resources and she wasn't happy. How many times do I have to see Princess Diana documentaries on YouTube or elsewhere talking about her 'tragic life.' Tragic life? Oh, pu-leeze. I will expand on this but later. I don't have much free time lately.
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2023 20:53:14 GMT
Tragic life? Oh, pu-leeze. I will expand on this but later. I don't have much free time lately. It would be nice if other posters weighed in, too, and posted? These are great posts and just waiting for feedback. It beats by far the worthless, ignorant nonsense we see on other forums. KF knows a lot about Diana, etc, so chime in, folks. We are really the only forum where free speech really is supported?
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Post by kueifei on Dec 18, 2023 8:47:29 GMT
I think we're the only forum that is point blank blunt.
As for Diana, Diana's life was a lie in so many way, but not the way she or her fans saw it.
Lie#1: You can be a young and undereducated kindergarten assistant and still live in Central London in a penthouse. Lie#2: You can be a young and undereducated kindergarten assistant and land and marry a prince. Lie#3: Coming from as much as possible while making as little of yourself as possible is a desirable way to be, the ULTIMATE way to be. Forget about schooling, forget about training, forget about maturing, just do nothing and be nothing and having rich family to pay your way is the ultimate ideal and if you don't have that, you are a loser. Lie#4: You don't need to get education and training to get audiences with heads of state. All that matters is that you have money, are famous, and know how to market yourself. Education and training aren't important and only 'square and boring' losers bother with that 'heavy furniture.' Lie#5: Be a complete screwup. Roll your eyes at state banquets, sit badly at state banquets and treat it all like none of it matters since no matter what, society will be required to accept you no matter what you do or how you behave. Dress badly and make fun of the event with other people to show how much better you are and how hip you are. Lie#6: Spend your time as madame misery guts and make it clear that your life is pointless and miserable and how bored you are and how 'aware' you are compared to people who dress and behave well. Pretend to know so much more than older people of experience and pretend that you belong around people that are not in fact your own kind and don't have your privileges, but you can truly be one of the peasantry. The film "Titanic" mastered this quite well. Lie#7: Meeting you might be the culmination of a lifetime of hard work and sacrifice, so cheapen the event with bad jokes and goofy behavior and ignore the dignity of your station in life. It's all cool and shouldn't matter to the guest despite the fact that the guest was hoping for a serious and respectful host. Lie#8: No matter what, you matter more. You should be the center of attention and you should be center stage. Forget about the event, forget about the guest of honor. It should always be about you and your feelings and your pain. Lie#9: Divorcing a future head of state has no repercussions. You can walk out of your marriage and think that there are no aftereffects, no residual dynastic trauma, or national humiliation. Fact is, when Diana walked out, she was walking out on her nation. She was walking out on her future role as Mother of the Nation. By leaving she lost her ability to help so many in need and that "HRH" did in fact have an impact on that. She was walking out on her nation. Lie#10: After shattering your husband's reputation internationally, shattering the reputation of the family that you married into and did take you in, you are still entitled to courtesy and kindness and indulgence from those around you. You deserve the best and you deserve all that you demand including being crowned alongside your former husband despite being divorced and no longer legally the Princess Consort of Wales. After a legal divorce, you can still use the title as a kind of surname and not be required to scale back your status and trappings that go along with it. You should be able to still have a public role and platform and some kind of diplomatic status. She couldn't even sustain her role as Princess Consort of Wales and chose to attempt to manipulate politicians to give her something that would now have to be earned. Lie#11: The media is to blame for responding to her phone calls and provocations. The media is always to blame. Lie#12: It is okay to mess with married men and try to convince them to leave their own wives and families. Screaming into a phone incoherently is an acceptable way of trying to attract a married man back to you. Lie#13: It is okay to try to pull someone off of a track that they are happy on and it is clear that disrupting their careers and stable lives is okay. Have a relationship with an Middle Easterner and deny them publicly, and that is a serious form of humiliation to anyone of Eastern heritage. Shriek about how it is 'so funny' that one is in a relationship with someone even though Diana was seeing him frequently and hostessing at KP. Lie#14: In having two adolescent sons it is perfectly acceptable to pose like a dumb blonde sexpot and mess with many men and being a bought and paid for sugar baby will not have an effect on their view of 'good women' and their own healthy mental development. Remember, being a 'liberated woman' is in fact what makes a happy woman and a happy woman makes a good mother.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 13, 2024 6:23:33 GMT
I hope Diana is happy now at least. At least she is in fact wrecking the BRF from beyond the grave through her sons. She ended up bearing two sons who are ruining themselves . William is a spiraling mess and Harry is clearly disgracing himself in Hollywood.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 14, 2024 23:20:06 GMT
This is what I have been looking for: We’re All Stuck In This System | The Crown (Jonathan Pryce, Elizabeth Debicki)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAeDB_rhgrwI have been looking for this and I wish Diana had used what brains she had left. What Prince Philip says is that she can do and have and indulge, but never raised your voice or hand against the BRF. This is life in a nutshell and Jackie O. followed it. Diana did not and now she's raised two sons to do the same. Diana was someone who should have known by then what the way of life is. If Diana had followed that, she would be Queen Consort and she would be easily able to maintain some control over her own sons.
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Post by Guest on Jan 21, 2024 22:09:30 GMT
Edit: This post was moved to Diana, Princess of Wales - Myth, mystery and truth
Diana was flawed in many ways though she stood on and was respected for her work. In addition, she had spontaneous, endearing presence--called je ne said quoi. She demonstrated sympathy and empathy. She had a lovely voice and manner of speaking. She dressed well and thoughtfully, put thought and diligence into the work and did the part and role with respect to the public. She had good manners generally. She was very young and very pretty without makeup.
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