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Post by purple1 on Jan 15, 2021 5:47:56 GMT
I feel like we have come to the point that there is no difference between a celebrity and a royal. Gone are the days when there was a clear distinction and to be frank royalty didn't mingle much with celebrities. Even their titles/status are becoming meaningless as the day passes by. Celebrities can team up with charities and bring in 2x as much money to a charity than a royal can. The world will be so different once COVID is over and I don't think royals will be much in demand.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 16, 2021 20:03:30 GMT
I used to not see the difference, but now I do. It used to be that neither mixed and there was a clearly defined line. Diana and Fergie regrettably dissolved a lot of that line and it is clear that they are now kind of one and the same. It is regrettable because a royal princess used to be someone special and it used to be that a prince would marry either a princess or aristocrat that would bring their own pull that would attract funds and genuine help. Celebs can just write a fat check, but it is not the same as the kind of gravitas and history that royals have. Royals never used to freeload off of rich people and with their megabucks, royals really should not be mooching or letting people buy their presence. Royals have gotten it into their heads that the only way for someone to prove that they aren't a user is that they (person in question) can pay their travel bills and basically verify through having big bucks that they aren't some user. Few people are going to have patience for celebrities or royals and it is clear that since royals have proven themselves to be as stupid as celebrities, there is nothing that makes them stand out. When Harry married Meg, that line dissolved and is now essentially gone. One of the royal commentators, defending the match, said that royals and actors are the same and I cannot imagine that went over well with the old guard since the old guard is basically resentful of the implication. The old guard has had to work hard to maintain that distinction and regrettably it's now gone. The more the royals refuse to do anything that is exceptional, the more there is no point to all that taxpayer support.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 16, 2021 21:00:13 GMT
I used to not see the difference, but now I do. It used to be that neither mixed and there was a clearly defined line. Diana and Fergie regrettably dissolved a lot of that line and it is clear that they are now kind of one and the same. It is regrettable because a royal princess used to be someone special and it used to be that a prince would marry either a princess or aristocrat that would bring their own pull that would attract funds and genuine help. Celebs can just write a fat check, but it is not the same as the kind of gravitas and history that royals have. Royals never used to freeload off of rich people and with their megabucks, royals really should not be mooching or letting people buy their presence. Royals have gotten it into their heads that the only way for someone to prove that they aren't a user is that they (person in question) can pay their travel bills and basically verify through having big bucks that they aren't some user. Few people are going to have patience for celebrities or royals and it is clear that since royals have proven themselves to be as stupid as celebrities, there is nothing that makes them stand out. When Harry married Meg, that line dissolved and is now essentially gone. One of the royal commentators, defending the match, said that royals and actors are the same and I cannot imagine that went over well with the old guard since the old guard is basically resentful of the implication. The old guard has had to work hard to maintain that distinction and regrettably it's now gone. The more the royals refuse to do anything that is exceptional, the more there is no point to all that taxpayer support. “ royal princess used to be someone special and it used to be that a prince would marry either a princess or aristocrat that would bring their own pull that would attract funds and genuine help. Celebs can just write a fat check, but it is not the same as the kind of gravitas and history that royals have. ” - Diana besides the Queen is the only one who had that aura and gravitas of a true princess. Kate I believe had t during their hype of the wedding and the birth but it’s gone. It’s true even I’m having a hard time finding the distinction. When I watch videos of Diana with royals I can see the difference. It also doesn’t help when the current royals get all giddy being near celebrities too. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 16, 2021 22:01:48 GMT
Thing is, that royals are not raised the way they should be. Writing thank you cards (a genuine letter not just a form written by someone else) and not mooching would be a good start. Diana was raised from the cradle to take others into consideration and it is clear that she was special in a lot of ways. She just lacked the knowledge that the world of celebrity is often nothing but trouble. Celebs are trying to often latch on to royals in order to just get some kind of security in their insecure career field. Celebs were never treated as equals and it is clear that royals are not well raised to appreciate things about themselves. It's this 'normalcy' upbringing that has had a toxic effect. You don't see Rothchilds or Vanderbilts getting giddy about meeting entertainers and I wonder why Americans are looked down on by European royals.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 16, 2021 22:20:19 GMT
Thing is, that royals are not raised the way they should be. Writing thank you cards (a genuine letter not just a form written by someone else) and not mooching would be a good start. Diana was raised from the cradle to take others into consideration and it is clear that she was special in a lot of ways. She just lacked the knowledge that the world of celebrity is often nothing but trouble. Celebs are trying to often latch on to royals in order to just get some kind of security in their insecure career field. Celebs were never treated as equals and it is clear that royals are not well raised to appreciate things about themselves. It's this 'normalcy' upbringing that has had a toxic effect. You don't see Rothchilds or Vanderbilts getting giddy about meeting entertainers and I wonder why Americans are looked down on by European royals. So you think that it’s now the royals that’s latching into celebrities now? It seems so esp for the launch in the chair the sector. Of course Celebs want to attach themselves but like you said the bubble has been burst with the royal aura and gravitas. None of them will have Diana’s princess elegance aura so it seems like celebs just doesn’t have that much respect for royals now. Do you think them having an HRH is still coveted? It’s funny because when Grace Kelly became a princess her stature was automatically risen but when Markle became a royal it didn’t make a bit of a difference. Yeah the privileges and perks are nice half of the time but since she left sorry to say but no one is running after her. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 16, 2021 23:03:28 GMT
Back then, it meant something to be royal. I just think that marrying Grace was a bad idea and Grace was in many ways a shoddy princess. She never let up on the press and never would just stop doing an interview. Meg was initially a star, but she blew that through being a perpetual victim.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 16, 2021 23:11:16 GMT
Back then, it meant something to be royal. I just think that marrying Grace was a bad idea and Grace was in many ways a shoddy princess. She never let up on the press and never would just stop doing an interview. Meg was initially a star, but she blew that through being a perpetual victim. Back then it did mean being a royal. I felt like during WK wedding to baby births there was meaning but they blew that with their lack of work ethic and honestly having a relationship with the public. I think the way the world is celebrities have a larger and bigger influence(although may change since the pandemic) that these BRF(the most famous of royals) are hidden the shadow. There was a time celebs want to be close and associated with royalty but now things have turned around. What will it take for a princess to have that aura and gravitas of a Diana? Omg I agree she blew that with her always saying she’s a victim and tbh with you she want that great of a duchess. She wanted the celebrity lifestyle but have a title of a princess. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 16, 2021 23:26:32 GMT
In all honesty, I do not think that the House of Grimaldi gained anything by having Grace as a princess. Despite her looks, she was common in a lot of areas and was someone who was a terrible snob and very unprofessional in a lot of areas. It was also an exception, not the rule that royals married commoners. I just think that there is a difference in temperament and thing is, that if royals married the types like Vanderbilts or Astors or Rockefellers, it would actually be something special, but royals (for some reason) prefer the kind of money that entertainers make.
A background of class; a background where there's more than just money and fame. Diana fit the bill early in life and the way she behaved, no one in the press had the guts to talk dirty about her or make disgusting insinuations about her. There were no dirty pics, or sexually tawdry past, no real anything that actually could be used against her. It's not like Diana had a string of lovers or a film where she pretended to be having sex with a co-star. It's not like Diana was someone who had pulled things that would get another person arrested and she was someone who had a history even at that young age of volunteering and doing her bit. It takes genuine self respect, genuine caring, and a genuine work ethic. In our more modern times, it would take a history of honest work, nothing that can be held against a consort and quite honestly, political wives fit the bill all the more than most royals.
Look at Jill Biden or Michelle Obama with her five degrees. Then there's so many others who have class (like Laura Bush) despite not being academic heavyweights.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 0:07:58 GMT
In all honesty, I do not think that the House of Grimaldi gained anything by having Grace as a princess. Despite her looks, she was common in a lot of areas and was someone who was a terrible snob and very unprofessional in a lot of areas. It was also an exception, not the rule that royals married commoners. I just think that there is a difference in temperament and thing is, that if royals married the types like Vanderbilts or Astors or Rockefellers, it would actually be something special, but royals (for some reason) prefer the kind of money that entertainers make.
A background of class; a background where there's more than just money and fame. Diana fit the bill early in life and the way she behaved, no one in the press had the guts to talk dirty about her or make disgusting insinuations about her. There were no dirty pics, or sexually tawdry past, no real anything that actually could be used against her. It's not like Diana had a string of lovers or a film where she pretended to be having sex with a co-star. It's not like Diana was someone who had pulled things that would get another person arrested and she was someone who had a history even at that young age of volunteering and doing her bit. It takes genuine self respect, genuine caring, and a genuine work ethic. In our more modern times, it would take a history of honest work, nothing that can be held against a consort and quite honestly, political wives fit the bill all the more than most royals.
Look at Jill Biden or Michelle Obama with her five degrees. Then there's so many others who have class (like Laura Bush) despite not being academic heavyweights.
It’s amazing to see how much the royals have lost their magic that made them “special”. The pandemic has truly bursted the bubble to those who don’t even follow the royals. The royals have become celebrities with a title that’s it. I think it will take someone special to make royalty beautiful again in a beautiful way. Do you think for example if Kate Middleton were to attend Paris Fashion week with all these celebs and stuff she would be the star because she’s a royal princess? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2021 0:14:55 GMT
I think the topics of royalty and celebrity and have they have interacted for generations would make for an awesome book. There could be case studies on certain royals and discussions about the pros and cons and whatnot.
This is a very interesting thread and thanks for getting it going, folks.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 17, 2021 0:17:07 GMT
If Kate went to Paris fashion week, it would trigger a backlash since Kate has no business promoting Parisian fashion. She would not have any reason to be in Paris at all really and quite honestly, celebs are the only ones who are actually impressed with titles anymore, the lower rate ones that is. The top tier actors and actresses are in fact too busy working to bother with royals.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 0:56:46 GMT
I think the topics of royalty and celebrity and have they have interacted for generations would make for an awesome book. There could be case studies on certain royals and discussions about the pros and cons and whatnot. This is a very interesting thread and thanks for getting it going, folks. Same! I would read that book! |
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 1:06:43 GMT
If Kate went to Paris fashion week, it would trigger a backlash since Kate has no business promoting Parisian fashion. She would not have any reason to be in Paris at all really and quite honestly, celebs are the only ones who are actually impressed with titles anymore, the lower rate ones that is. The top tier actors and actresses are in fact too busy working to bother with royals. Oh really? Not even the top tier A listers don’t care about royals and their titles? Really? It seemed like the likes of Beckham, Oprah, George Clooney want to be in association with them. Diana attended fashion week and it was a big deal but I guess Because she also worked it didn’t matter and she wore a lot of Parisan and Italian fashion. Wow times have changed. I always felt I rather be a royal because they are high status than a celeb and there’s a different kind of aura and respect but I think I mixed it up with Diana’s popularity and star power that mixed it up for me. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2021 1:10:34 GMT
I think the topics of royalty and celebrity and have they have interacted for generations would make for an awesome book. There could be case studies on certain royals and discussions about the pros and cons and whatnot. This is a very interesting thread and thanks for getting it going, folks. Same! I would read that book! Could be a team effort?  |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 17, 2021 1:11:10 GMT
In all honesty, I do not think that the House of Grimaldi gained anything by having Grace as a princess. Despite her looks, she was common in a lot of areas and was someone who was a terrible snob and very unprofessional in a lot of areas. It was also an exception, not the rule that royals married commoners. I just think that there is a difference in temperament and thing is, that if royals married the types like Vanderbilts or Astors or Rockefellers, it would actually be something special, but royals (for some reason) prefer the kind of money that entertainers make.
A background of class; a background where there's more than just money and fame. Diana fit the bill early in life and the way she behaved, no one in the press had the guts to talk dirty about her or make disgusting insinuations about her. There were no dirty pics, or sexually tawdry past, no real anything that actually could be used against her. It's not like Diana had a string of lovers or a film where she pretended to be having sex with a co-star. It's not like Diana was someone who had pulled things that would get another person arrested and she was someone who had a history even at that young age of volunteering and doing her bit. It takes genuine self respect, genuine caring, and a genuine work ethic. In our more modern times, it would take a history of honest work, nothing that can be held against a consort and quite honestly, political wives fit the bill all the more than most royals.
Look at Jill Biden or Michelle Obama with her five degrees. Then there's so many others who have class (like Laura Bush) despite not being academic heavyweights.
It’s amazing to see how much the royals have lost their magic that made them “special”. The pandemic has truly bursted the bubble to those who don’t even follow the royals. The royals have become celebrities with a title that’s it. I think it will take someone special to make royalty beautiful again in a beautiful way.
It will take a lot and it will end up being just the thing for which the current generation is unprepared or unwilling. It's not like a simple meet/greet or silly public meeting while they look serious and as a result, try to be taken seriously. It would take the kind of work that current royals are unable to do, due to lack of training and it is clear that they are not equipped to train or educate their kids in things that they themselves are not trained or educated in.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 1:44:49 GMT
It’s amazing to see how much the royals have lost their magic that made them “special”. The pandemic has truly bursted the bubble to those who don’t even follow the royals. The royals have become celebrities with a title that’s it. I think it will take someone special to make royalty beautiful again in a beautiful way.
It will take a lot and it will end up being just the thing for which the current generation is unprepared or unwilling. It's not like a simple meet/greet or silly public meeting while they look serious and as a result, try to be taken seriously. It would take the kind of work that current royals are unable to do, due to lack of training and it is clear that they are not equipped to train or educate their kids in things that they themselves are not trained or educated in.
They could always look at how Diana did it. Even during her separation/divorce she went out there to engage with the public and show her compassionate side. Sadly no one in that family is compassionate or have a genuine interest in charity work  I also think that the world we’re living in stans have made celebrities into their own type of royalty(crazy I know). Take for example Rihanna, she through her philanthropy gets to meet with heads of states and powerful people. That used to be royalty lane but not anymore. Also with the Paris Fashion Week I was just making an example of people would kiss her behind if she were to attend since she is a royal and everyone else is just a “celebrity”. Maybe it would have happened back in 2011-2015 days. |
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 14:59:02 GMT
Another thing to add; Diana was her own blueprint or should I say lane. She was neither royal or a celeb in the sense. Kind of like how Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston were their own blueprint.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 17, 2021 16:09:03 GMT
She was a complete original and her impact on the press solely through being is something that is entirely unprecedented. She could have worn a burlap sack and could have easily ended up getting on Vogue with an unlimited debate about whether or not the sack was 'her' and there would have been a detailed article about whether or not the sack was full fiber of mixed thread.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 16:28:32 GMT
She was a complete original and her impact on the press solely through being is something that is entirely unprecedented. She could have worn a burlap sack and could have easily ended up getting on Vogue with an unlimited debate about whether or not the sack was 'her' and there would have been a detailed article about whether or not the sack was full fiber of mixed thread. Lol that was funny but you are right. It was unprecedented. It’s why we haven’t seen a “princess” like Diana before because she was a different type of princess. Not in the traditional sense. Another thing with royalty and celebrity is that when it comes to fashion, Diana become a fashion/style icon and transcended the industry during her time alive. Celebrities are more like influencers. They aren’t fashion figures like British royals were known for. Even Princess Margaret put Dior in the map. But now these royals aren’t as great in fashion. Sorry but Kate and Markle are boring and more like influencers. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 17, 2021 16:45:49 GMT
Diana was not antiseptic. She was full blooded and fully fleshed out. She did not try to be above popular culture, she enjoyed it, even reveled in it. She was someone who looked like she was alive, she didn't try to be as dead as possible. She did not pretend to be a member of the armed forces of the military (like Anne likes to, dressing in a literal uniform) or try to be above enjoying herself. It is also clear that she truly enjoyed life and made no bones about liking nice stuff or trying to be liked by others. Diana was alive in a way that her era as royal princess was. She was the kind of princess that would have fit right in with the Stuart dynasty and would in a way, connected with the British as a full person, not just an antiseptic figurine.
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tale BS.
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