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Post by purple1 on Jan 31, 2021 21:58:43 GMT
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Post by purple1 on Jan 31, 2021 21:59:51 GMT
For lack of a better way of putting it, look at Harry. He went from a solid place in this world to being part of Meg's helter/skelter lifestyle and it is clear that it is draining and very tiring for him. There is also the fact that Meg hung aorund shady types during the years before she met Harry and it is clear that Meg hasn't settled down and most likely never will. She is too much like a vagabond and it is clear that she has no real stable anchor in her personality. I honestly think Harry is going to have a breakdown and the BRF will have to extract Harry from that mess before long. He will not be able to continue to cope with the drama or the instability or Meg's out of control temperament.
- But you have to admit the firm isn't any better. Look at them since Harry left. Not one of them have the human touch he possessed.
I just think a time will come when we will either have a prince or princess(probably a princess since the world follows princesses more) will have the clear distinction between royalty and celebrity. I think Crown Princess Victoria does a great job and same with her sister. Although she's not a working royal she does have that gravitas of a princess.
Also with what I asked I think its ironic how Grace who wasn't born as a royal became a better one than her children and grandkids. Monaco royal family are very celeb like with their fashion shows and fancy galas. I hear nothing about their charity work and Charlotte becoming a Chanel ambassador. She was supposed to be the crown jewel to the royal family...
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Post by kueifei on Jan 31, 2021 22:10:20 GMT
I think the recent generation has not been well served by being acclimatized to the public eye and they should NOT have been allowed to feel that they are deprived because they are not at all living out a normal life. Whatever version that is. There should have been strict values instilled and I do believe that it is a sing of failure that a lot of upper class types are not attracted to the royal life despite the fact that it offers major perks. We never hear of princes dating a Vanderbilt, or a Rockefeller, or an Astor. You never see princesses dating a Rothschild or a scion of any kind of powerful family and it is clear that there is something fundamentally wrong with these royals that no one from a prominent family really goes after them. Princess Madeleine, a beauty if there ever was one, was married to Chris O' Neil and he is the son of one of Prince Charles' sidepieces. It is clear that there is a huge lack of self respect and it is telling that only a complete tart can get the rings and not anyone of substance.
The family is trash and Grace was Queen of the Monaco Carnival. Her upper class act was an act, not substance. It's not like Grace was part of the American upper class and she was someone who was so promiscuous that even Hollywood was making fun of her. They do nothing for anyone and it is a joke to see them pose on a balcony like they run some kind of empire. It is also clear that Charlotte was pampered, raised to think of herself as great, but regrettably did not behave well. She was clearly not well raised and she does nothing and IS a complete nothing. Kids out of wedlock and it is clear that she is having serious problems accepting that she is no longer an ingenue.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 1, 2021 0:26:41 GMT
Just want to say we shouldn't judge people who had kids out of wedlock. Secondly, why do you feel Charlotte hasn't accepted she is no longer an ingenue?
Yeah the fact that many of the royals today don't even visit Monaco is telling... they are very celeb like and proves my point that there should be a distinction. Well yeah her private life wasn't as pure and innocent but she did a lot for Monaco and for the public.
Well do you ever think maybe the royals don't want to marry into Rothschild or Vanderbilts or Rockfellers? I mean Nicki Hilton married a Rothschild...
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Post by kueifei on Feb 1, 2021 16:05:11 GMT
To me, Charlotte was hyped big time, before she had actually fully developed as a person and it is clear that she was not at all raised right. At eighteen or some other age she was doing an interview despite not having anything accomplished other than existing. She had not done any charity work, or won an Olympic medal, she just existed. Her uncle the Prince of Monaco was there, as if she needed protection and I honestly believe that for all the hype, she was not raised well and she was not at all raised to truly make something of substance of her time and education. She supposedly has a degree in philosophy and she is a fashion ambassador, but that is highly celebrity and I do think that lines are blurred that should be firm. Her 'hotness' is all she has had going for her. She is a celebutante in the purest form and it is clear that she (and others) is at a point where the only thing left to do is hit the wall. It is clear that Charlotte has done NOTHING for anyone others than her own gratification and as a result, she has nothing to really be fondly remembered or respected by. She isn't herself titled and despite it all, she has not at all sought to contribute to anyone or anything. With her resources and privileges, she has done nothing, given nothing, and as a result is in my eyes, a nothing.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 1, 2021 16:57:02 GMT
To me, Charlotte was hyped big time, before she had actually fully developed as a person and it is clear that she was not at all raised right. At eighteen or some other age she was doing an interview despite not having anything accomplished other than existing. She had not done any charity work, or won an Olympic medal, she just existed. Her uncle the Prince of Monaco was there, as if she needed protection and I honestly believe that for all the hype, she was not raised well and she was not at all raised to truly make something of substance of her time and education. She supposedly has a degree in philosophy and she is a fashion ambassador, but that is highly celebrity and I do think that lines are blurred that should be firm. Her 'hotness' is all she has had going for her. She is a celebutante in the purest form and it is clear that she (and others) is at a point where the only thing left to do is hit the wall. It is clear that Charlotte has done NOTHING for anyone others than her own gratification and as a result, she has nothing to really be fondly remembered or respected by. She isn't herself titled and despite it all, she has not at all sought to contribute to anyone or anything. With her resources and privileges, she has done nothing, given nothing, and as a result is in my eyes, a nothing. Reading all of this it’s true how royalty and celebrity is blurred esp with the Monaco family. I agree if she had lived up to the hype and did charity work and used her education for good I totally believe she would have been affectionally a princess that everyone looks up to. She missed it and I think part of the blame is the Monaco family caters too much to celebs because they need them. You are right Grace even though she became a princess invited so many of her celeb friends ect... I think before Diana she was the one who mixed royalty and celebrity perfectly. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 1, 2021 17:59:05 GMT
Charlotte has never been a princess, but regrettably she was treated as one and I think that messed her up. Grace was never to the manor born and Diana got it right since she had a good upbringing and was someone who had had centuries of training embedded in her bones. She really did come from a completely different background than Grace. Grace, in my view, was just as much a part of the common celeb set despite her snotty attitude and I dislike how she passed the bottle around while on tours (while passing herself around to the studios) with fellow cast mates, but was soon a complete and utter witch to her boyfriends. Grace was the kind of person who WANTED to indulge in the notion of self sacrifice, without really not having any choices. Diana came from a long line of duty and self sacrifice and to be frank, did believe in dedicating herself to a higher cause that was more than her own self glorification. Entertainers prefer to self glorify mainly since that is how they get roles, they promote themselves. Grace herself was someone who brought boyfriends home and stood by and let the boyfriends be mistreated. She would then break it off and act like she didn't have a choice, that she would have to marry to advance the social interests of the family. Diana did marry for family ambition, but fought back later on and broke free. Diana fought to have a better life while Grace decided to wallow in self-pity and whined nonstop to the press about her miserable life. Grace missed acting, but she wasn't FORCED to marry Rainier the way that Diana was pressured to marry Charles.
Grace, like a lot of celebs, took a kind of schizo approach; it is clear that she wasn't at all consistent and I find it disconcerting that someone as self destructive as she was is so idealized. She was not some kind of supermom and she was determined to spend her life being either a doormat or victim. She let her kids run wild and in the wealthy environment that is Monaco, a disciplined upbringing is ten times needed. She would talk to the press nonstop, in live interviews, but would not get it that letting the press in like she did, she brought trouble and attention. I dislike how celebs, if they get a little social status, go all condescending towards their entertainment career, as if somehow they are 'better' than their trade that got them to prominence.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 1, 2021 21:21:48 GMT
Charlotte has never been a princess, but regrettably she was treated as one and I think that messed her up. Grace was never to the manor born and Diana got it right since she had a good upbringing and was someone who had had centuries of training embedded in her bones. She really did come from a completely different background than Grace. Grace, in my view, was just as much a part of the common celeb set despite her snotty attitude and I dislike how she passed the bottle around while on tours (while passing herself around to the studios) with fellow cast mates, but was soon a complete and utter witch to her boyfriends. Grace was the kind of person who WANTED to indulge in the notion of self sacrifice, without really not having any choices. Diana came from a long line of duty and self sacrifice and to be frank, did believe in dedicating herself to a higher cause that was more than her own self glorification. Entertainers prefer to self glorify mainly since that is how they get roles, they promote themselves. Grace herself was someone who brought boyfriends home and stood by and let the boyfriends be mistreated. She would then break it off and act like she didn't have a choice, that she would have to marry to advance the social interests of the family. Diana did marry for family ambition, but fought back later on and broke free. Diana fought to have a better life while Grace decided to wallow in self-pity and whined nonstop to the press about her miserable life. Grace missed acting, but she wasn't FORCED to marry Rainier the way that Diana was pressured to marry Charles.
Grace, like a lot of celebs, took a kind of schizo approach; it is clear that she wasn't at all consistent and I find it disconcerting that someone as self destructive as she was is so idealized. She was not some kind of supermom and she was determined to spend her life being either a doormat or victim. She let her kids run wild and in the wealthy environment that is Monaco, a disciplined upbringing is ten times needed. She would talk to the press nonstop, in live interviews, but would not get it that letting the press in like she did, she brought trouble and attention. I dislike how celebs, if they get a little social status, go all condescending towards their entertainment career, as if somehow they are 'better' than their trade that got them to prominence.
Well celebs don’t know any better. They want to move up the ranks in society. They don’t want to be simply celebs because there are thousands of them unless you are one in a dozen like Whitney Houston or Michael Jackson. Oh I didn’t know Charlotte was treated like a princess. Why did she fumble the bag if she was supposed to be the crown jewel to Monaco? Would be better being a princess than being simply a rich aristocrat and a fashion ambassador(since anyone can have that). I do agree I had to roll my eyes when Grace would cry with her self pity. Like no one told you to marry a prince but I guess she thought being a princess was roses and daisies. Sadly she warned Diana and Diana told the world that being a princess isn’t all that cut up to be esp the ones who marry in(I can tell Kate is miserable) it’s why I always said Diana was simply a better princess and surpassed Grace. Now the real question will someone surpass Diana?.... |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 2, 2021 7:45:06 GMT
Charlotte was a socialite who was raised to think of herself as more, but since that 'more' didn't materialize, it is clear that she has floundered. Her brother Andrea was slated to be Prince of Monaco, but now Albert has married and has heirs of his own and so that has been scuppered as well. Charlotte was not raised up in duty/civic service as any decent person would be and it is clear that she was not raised well by her mother and her mother (Caroline) was busy being First Lady of Monaco that she ignored raising her daughter right.
Charlotte is a socialite, not an aristocrat, Why would an aristocrat want to marry her? It is telling that despite her looks and habits and wealth, she was never sought out by any titled man who might want to fill the family coffers and also just add some glamor, but it didn't happen. As for being a princess, Charlotte does not have the temperament or stamina to handle that role without screwing it up badly. As evidenced by her past, she can't even control her hormones. A lot of people thought that Charlotte would be a perfect fit for Harry, but I think she would have had serious issues being able to fit into the English/British/Commonwealth way of life and there is no way that she would be able to handle really deferring to HM and I do not think that she would have ended up bringing much to Harry's life. She's just nothing more but money, looks, and tabloid headlines.
Thing is, that the curse of celebrity is this perverse yearning that they have to go beyond riches and fame, but refuse to face and accept that for real status outside of that mess of an industry, is that they have to actually contribute in ways that are long lasting and it's not like they are interested in even furthering their education and their constant yammering about the civil rights of the latest trendy cause makes them more disruptive than contributing. I mean really, WHAT IS IT with their hatred of conservatives? One would think that wealth and fame and looks would be a perfect base to start, but lately there is this increasingly out of control desire to be 'in' socially. Even Steve Jobs was a narcissist in this area. I find it disturbing since they want 'in' and then want to show the world how 'in' they are. They want to tell the world how they would go to parties, balls, dinners, and would insist on making sure the world is informed on a daily basis that they have 'made it' socially. Look how Meg reminds the planet week in and week out that she is where she is. She is not bringing any stability to Harry's life and I imagine that being married to an actor would be exhausting in its own way mainly since actors really do not at all know how to just chill. Look at Clooney; since marrying Amal, he hasn't shut up about how amazing and unique Amal is and he acts like she is unique because she isn't an actress or model. He can't just get on with life. Clooney yearns to be so much more than rich and famous and attractive and it is clear that despite that ambition, he does not get a better education/qualifications and he refuses to make the same effort as others.
Grace never really belonged in the world of royalty, where consistency is everything and stability is bred in the bone. Grace, for all her typical princessy looks, did not belong. She was already unstable from her early pattern of getting into bed with married men and she was not someone who was following the precepts of a religion that she was contradictory devoted to. She had the 'look' of how people thought a princess should be, but was definitely not at all one with the personality. She was not at all someone who was dedicated to Monaco in the way that she should have been and did not own up to and take responsibility for her past behavior. She did not just admit that she had had a racy past like everyone else in Hollywood and would not just ride it out. I get real hard on her because I dislike how even after marriage and finding a pretty decent man in Rainier, it still wasn't enough for her. She complained about how happiness was eluding her and how she sought a prince to take her away from 'all this' and then there were her many affairs.
She epitomized the celebrity class of people that get what they go gunning for, but then whine/moan/complain about it and then therefore make it literally impossible for people to tolerate their presence. Royal life is about stability, consistency, and responsibility and Grace had none of that. She was someone who was used to welshing on agreements and getting away with it and that is why it is clear that celebs do not belong in the royal scene. She really did in fact screw her kids up and it is clear that she was honored after death since Grace had been good at PR.
That would take someone exceptional and it would take someone beyond being good at PR.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 2, 2021 15:31:26 GMT
Wow I must say I love reading your comments! They are very much in depth. I have to agree with you that celebs can’t shut up about what they are doing in their lives. It’s really annoying and the overexposure makes it tacky. I agree that these celebs want to take the stigma of celebrity away from their “name” or “brand” but they can do that if like you said put in hard work in other areas and get educated. If you want to be “in” with the social class or nobility you have to do something many of not done. For example, Coco Chanel was an orphan and wanted to move up the ranks. She established her clothing brand and revolutionized women’s wear, handbags and perfumes and then she herself became a Parisian socialite whom the nobility and royalty wanted in their circles... Another example is Michael Jackson. A singer and entertainer through and through but there was no one like him who can do the things he did. Everyone wanted to meet him and basically have pics taken with him(before the allegations) but you get what I mean. So you are saying if Charlotte had done more when she was set up being the “Princess of Monaco” like get educated and done charity work and become a roving ambassador she would have been the perfect princess for Monaco and basically the world to follow? Since Grace’s death in Monaco there hasn’t been anyone who had the worlds attention than she did. Not even Caroline with all her beauty. Charlotte was the chosen one but like you said she didn’t materialize it and I guess having a kid before marriage wasn’t seen as a good thing in the public. I believe if she had been raised correctly she would have been a serious “princess” who made an impact in the world similarly how Diana did instead of being a socialite with a royal pedigree and being a fashion ambassador. I also read that Charlotte when younger used to be popular in France and would be on the cover of their magazines all the time. If she had taken it seriously she would have been affectionately a princess of France and been an ambassador with all things French. You seem to know more about Grace than I do  I hadn’t realized that she wasn’t coping at all being a princess. Despite all of her achievements she did in Monaco it still wasn’t enough for and I guess you were right that celebrities becoming royalty is a hard adjustment. Seemed like Grace would rather be an actress than a princess, but I feel like she liked the title and status of being a princess. She did make an impact and the people loved her even when she was alive. If it wasn’t for her charming the then President, Monaco would be apart of France right now. But I do think Diana was a better princess since she put more work in her humanitarian efforts. So basically no one in the British royal family will ever surpass Diana. Kate sure can’t and Markle never had a chance. Maybe Harry’s next wife. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 3, 2021 23:24:35 GMT
For a woman of her time, Coco was someone who was a true and sincere businesswoman and her clothes are something that has set a standard that has never really fallen. Chanel is a brand that will never fade and it is clear that the brand will continue for centuries. She made something of herself and she did it honestly, she was not a hustling vagrant who sought to rip anyone off. She knew herself and her situation for what it was and basically made something not just of her life, but she built a literal empire of sincere class. The nobility loved her work and she did not discriminate. She provided quality to those who could afford it and raised up others as well.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 3, 2021 23:25:34 GMT
No. Despite the fact that there is no monarchy, there is still an affection for their nobility and an affection for their royal history. They will never (rightly if I may add) allow for any kind of monarchical restoration as we know it (in regards to how the reigning dynasties are these days), but she would never have been accepted by the French as a sincere and serious part of their cultural life. Charlotte is kind of like Kate Middleton; Charlotte can speak flawless French and be a brand ambassador for French fashion, but she will never be fully French and will never be someone who is viewed as a sincere asset. Like Kate, Charlotte can wear jewels and gowns and couture, but she cannot pull off the essence of a Frenchwoman and the gravitas of a true and sincere intellectual. Despite her limitless financial resources, she lives a very jet set life and she chose throughout her formative years to be idle and feckless and irresponsible sexually. She can pose all she wants, she can wear the jewels and such, but she lacks class and she lacks the self respect that would help her cultivate class. She looks plain common. I remember seeing her at a hospital waiting for a relative whose child had just been born and she was sitting on a hospital curb, dressed in dirty sneakers and jeans and smoking a cigarette and she looked horrifically cheap. She is not well behaved. I do not think she would ever understand that the press is not a primary focus for life and living and she has good pedigree, but she is not royal and even if her Uncle had granted her a title, what then? Would being a Monegasque Princess mean that she is entitled to be a French princess as well? Is she entitled to be listened to by heads of state and taken seriously? That era is over. As much as it kills me to say this, Charlotte would never fit in in that scene even if she somehow got an entree in. How on earth would she fit in with her complete lack of purpose and anchorage in life? What would she talk about other than the latest jet set locale that she partied at? How would she fit in with those families? they are not all over the press and Charlotte clearly prefers to be noticed.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 4, 2021 14:57:02 GMT
No. Despite the fact that there is no monarchy, there is still an affection for their nobility and an affection for their royal history. They will never (rightly if I may add) allow for any kind of monarchical restoration as we know it (in regards to how the reigning dynasties are these days), but she would never have been accepted by the French as a sincere and serious part of their cultural life. Charlotte is kind of like Kate Middleton; Charlotte can speak flawless French and be a brand ambassador for French fashion, but she will never be fully French and will never be someone who is viewed as a sincere asset. Like Kate, Charlotte can wear jewels and gowns and couture, but she cannot pull off the essence of a Frenchwoman and the gravitas of a true and sincere intellectual. Despite her limitless financial resources, she lives a very jet set life and she chose throughout her formative years to be idle and feckless and irresponsible sexually. She can pose all she wants, she can wear the jewels and such, but she lacks class and she lacks the self respect that would help her cultivate class. She looks plain common. I remember seeing her at a hospital waiting for a relative whose child had just been born and she was sitting on a hospital curb, dressed in dirty sneakers and jeans and smoking a cigarette and she looked horrifically cheap. She is not well behaved. I do not think she would ever understand that the press is not a primary focus for life and living and she has good pedigree, but she is not royal and even if her Uncle had granted her a title, what then? Would being a Monegasque Princess mean that she is entitled to be a French princess as well? Is she entitled to be listened to by heads of state and taken seriously? That era is over. As much as it kills me to say this, Charlotte would never fit in in that scene even if she somehow got an entree in. How on earth would she fit in with her complete lack of purpose and anchorage in life? What would she talk about other than the latest jet set locale that she partied at? How would she fit in with those families? they are not all over the press and Charlotte clearly prefers to be noticed.
Thank you very much!! You explained it in a way I totally understand! I agree she is similar to Kate. While Kate is a future Queen she’s not respected by those heads of states or even her charities.... I guess if Charlotte actually took advantage early on and got educated in political science/international relations she would be some sort of an asset. I hadn’t realized she lived a jet-set life and that’s all. That seems like an empty life for me. For the Monaco family are they taken seriously as “royals”? I remember reading somewhere that Caroline never liked how other royal families looked at her family as fake Royals and why she married Ernst who has an HRH although the Hanover monarchy has ended a century ago. Don’t think she ever got the world wide love her mother did. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 4, 2021 16:02:52 GMT
The Grimaldis are princes, they rule a Principality, they do not reign over a fully sized nation, a 'Principality.' Monaco is smaller than most lots that house movie studios. It is not at all a power in the sense that world geopolitics relies on Monaco playing a certain type of role. As for Kate, she does no charity work and does nothing to really make anything of her advantages. Thing is, that the culture has changed. Looks and money are not enough and never should be. Titles mean less since the holders of those titles make less of them. It used to be that royals would spend their twenties doing duties and building a work history, same as anyone in their twenties does and then in their thirties get serious about settling down with someone of their own kind and have kids and have a stable life. Regrettably, that formula has been turned on its head and now royals are just as much a mess as entertainers so often are. The thing is, that more more celebritized royals behave, the less they make of themselves and as a result, the less they are of any consequence. It's not like they really dig in and it's not like they are really making anything of their assets or contributing.
That is why no one takes the Grimaldi family seriously and I find it funny that Albert wears military orders since the sum total of his 'army' consists of, basically, a handful of palace security officers dressed like airheads. Total Ruritania. As for Charlotte, even with a practical education, she would still have to sacrifice partying or dressing like a tart and give up on the tabloid preferences. She could be an asset, in the Foreign Service, but that ship has sailed a long time ago and it is clear to pretty much everyone that she is at a point where she has been through the wringer and come out of it a bloated mess. She could have gotten the finest education in geopolitics or international relations that money could buy, but she chose a different route. She made her choices.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 4, 2021 16:42:27 GMT
I agree she could have done something but she clearly wanted an easy life and just want to be a socilite. Sorry but I really don’t get those who have it all but want to waste it on something so superficial.
“ Titles mean less since the holders of those titles make less of them. It used to be that royals would spend their twenties doing duties and building a work history, same as anyone in their twenties does and then in their thirties get serious about settling down with someone of their own kind and have kids and have a stable life. Regrettably, that formula has been turned on its head and now royals are just as much a mess as entertainers so often are. The thing is, that more more celebritized royals behave, the less they make of themselves and as a result, the less they are of any consequence. It's not like they really dig in and it's not like they are really making anything of their assets or contributing. ”
- THIS RIGHT HERE! This applies to William and Kate as well as Crown Prince of Denmark and Monaco family. You have a title you should put some meaning into it. Just having a title doesn’t mean anything at all. There’s a reason why in the BRF Diana will always be the most popular since she actually felt she had to put meaning into her role and boy did she! Kate just wants an easy life yet wants to be beloved! Like that’s not how it works. No wonder her title/status means nothing to people. I agree the more they act and become celebrities the more they really lose that royalty allure.
I think that’s why I really enjoy the Spanish, Swedish, Norway and Netherlands royal family. They seem to take their roles as kings and queens or future kings and queens seriously.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 4, 2021 17:17:07 GMT
I think the real issue to me, is that the princes married women who are from a lower level and as a result, are clearly uncomfortable being where they are. Mary of Denmark wants to spend more of her time in Australia than Denmark and she is more interested in couture than doing anything of any practical help; not that she can since she didn't come into her marriage with any real connections or anything of her own (just being a garden variety middle class real estate agent) and she really can't handle the privileges responsibly. As for Norway, Mette-Marit is a disgrace and I am disgusted that she is wearing those jewels and wearing those couture gowns, all the while she does next to nothing and really isn't even faithful. By some accounts, she is so unfaithful that she has been nicknamed the "Southern Gate" and to be blunt, they jet set just as much as anything else. All this is just a sick joke and I am fed up with seeing these dolts in a position where they are treated with respect that really does not 'fit' for lack of a better way of putting it. The titles used to have impact because they were educated, trained, and raised differently and did make sacrifices. It's not like royals make sacrifices anymore and their education/training is a mediocre joke.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 4, 2021 17:49:14 GMT
I think the real issue to me, is that the princes married women who are from a lower level and as a result, are clearly uncomfortable being where they are. Mary of Denmark wants to spend more of her time in Australia than Denmark and she is more interested in couture than doing anything of any practical help; not that she can since she didn't come into her marriage with any real connections or anything of her own (just being a garden variety middle class real estate agent) and she really can't handle the privileges responsibly. As for Norway, Mette-Marit is a disgrace and I am disgusted that she is wearing those jewels and wearing those couture gowns, all the while she does next to nothing and really isn't even faithful. By some accounts, she is so unfaithful that she has been nicknamed the "Southern Gate" and to be blunt, they jet set just as much as anything else. All this is just a sick joke and I am fed up with seeing these dolts in a position where they are treated with respect that really does not 'fit' for lack of a better way of putting it. The titles used to have impact because they were educated, trained, and raised differently and did make sacrifices. It's not like royals make sacrifices anymore and their education/training is a mediocre joke. Do you like Spain, Sweden and Holland? “ it. The titles used to have impact because they were educated, trained, and raised differently and did make sacrifices. ” - This is it. It used to make an impact but even myself find it that it’s not anymore. The fact that even celebrities are in the same capacity as the royals and are overshadowed by celebrities should tell us something. I know despite her antics it seems like Diana was the last royal to actually make an impact and a positive one. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 4, 2021 19:17:26 GMT
Diana made the misstep of bridging celebrity with royalty and that is something that should never have been done. NEVER. There is a reason that the worlds collide rather than knit together and it is clear that the lower level women prefer entertainers since with entertainers, they do not have to work to be taken seriously. Their title does it for them. Kate wanted to go to Los Angeles after her honeymoon and that caused huge confusion, since it would have been customary for the couple to go to Washington DC, not Los Angeles. Yet Kate wanted to go to L.A. mainly since the celebs were impressed with her; if she had gone to DC, Kate would have had to work hard to impress the politicians and diplomats and would have fallen way short. There is no way that Kate or William would have been able to hold their own in DC and it was kind of a slap in the face to be honest. It says a lot that titled royals think they have to play to the gallery and it is a real misstep that royals thought they had a right to a 'normal' life of undemanding privilege and that they would be allowed to switch over to a life of power by the time they got married. It is clear that for some reason, royals think that being hot and rich and titled should be enough and it is clear that they refuse to take anything seriously. During high mass, Charlotte Casiraghi spends more time looking at the camera and as for the rest, they think and dress and act more for the camera than the occasion. Red carpets at state events and it is clear that the kids are not well raised at all. I do believe that it's just a plain mess. Everyone goes on and on and on about their vaunted sacrifices, but where are the sacrifices? It is hardly there. There are no real major sacrifices or restrictions anymore, I can see that much. They are allowed to feel sorry for themselves, without really having much to feel sad about and it is clear that like celebs, despite their whining, do not at all really leave their roles to live a more fulfilling life.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 4, 2021 20:31:17 GMT
Diana made the misstep of bridging celebrity with royalty and that is something that should never have been done. NEVER. There is a reason that the worlds collide rather than knit together and it is clear that the lower level women prefer entertainers since with entertainers, they do not have to work to be taken seriously. Their title does it for them. Kate wanted to go to Los Angeles after her honeymoon and that caused huge confusion, since it would have been customary for the couple to go to Washington DC, not Los Angeles. Yet Kate wanted to go to L.A. mainly since the celebs were impressed with her; if she had gone to DC, Kate would have had to work hard to impress the politicians and diplomats and would have fallen way short. There is no way that Kate or William would have been able to hold their own in DC and it was kind of a slap in the face to be honest. It says a lot that titled royals think they have to play to the gallery and it is a real misstep that royals thought they had a right to a 'normal' life of undemanding privilege and that they would be allowed to switch over to a life of power by the time they got married. It is clear that for some reason, royals think that being hot and rich and titled should be enough and it is clear that they refuse to take anything seriously. During high mass, Charlotte Casiraghi spends more time looking at the camera and as for the rest, they think and dress and act more for the camera than the occasion. Red carpets at state events and it is clear that the kids are not well raised at all. I do believe that it's just a plain mess. Everyone goes on and on and on about their vaunted sacrifices, but where are the sacrifices? It is hardly there. There are no real major sacrifices or restrictions anymore, I can see that much. They are allowed to feel sorry for themselves, without really having much to feel sad about and it is clear that like celebs, despite their whining, do not at all really leave their roles to live a more fulfilling life. It’s why to me the allure or gravitas of royalty is dead for me and many people. We just don’t have someone today who is royal. I will say Diana was a special hybrid since she was both royalty and celebrity(pop culture icon for fashion) so for her she’s a special case but since her many born in royalty want to follow her footsteps but that was a rare case and by doing so they look foolish and not taken seriously. I don’t want royals to be dull and boring but have the ethereally of royalty and being serious about their work/humanitarian work and also being warm hearted and relatable. It’s why I always said someone like Audrey Hepburn would have made a fine princess if she actually became one. Don’t you think she was kind of treated at such? What’s your ideal royal princess then? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 4, 2021 21:22:26 GMT
Audrey Hepburn was a Baroness, in her own right, not by marriage.
My ideal princess would be someone who brings more to a marriage than a good headline. Diana regrettably became more of a jet set celeb after her divorce and after her divorce, she started to get really trashy. She ran with a bad crowd and took up with bad types who got her presence as long as they paid the bills. If the princes were more men of substance than what they are now. A good princess consort would know her place, stay there, and not play with fire like Diana did. She would be genuinely educated, with life experience and preferably a minimum number of men who had been in bed with her.
IN my view, the ethereal quality is something that comes from the education, training, and WORK! Throw in self sacrifice and that does bring along that specialness.
Along the way, Diana lost that specialness when she started to do self destructive things, or fixated unhealthily on her image/looks. Then there was the Panorama interview and her behavior started to just go too far.
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tale BS.
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