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Post by purple1 on Feb 5, 2021 2:10:46 GMT
Basing off on history you think Diana started to lose that specialness after her separation or after the 1995 interview??
I agree that ethereal quality does come with being educated,
And taking the seriously. My idea princess would also be someone who is a humanitarian and has compassion as well as need to want to make a lasting legacy(positive one).
Audrey wasn’t a baroness, her mother was but she grew up in that environment. What I meant is she’s one of those “celebrities” who acted very much like princess and very lady like and we can’t forget her tremendous work with UNICEF. I think I recall during the 50s and 60s she was treated as such. Am I wrong?
Do you like Crown Princess Victoria?
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Post by india on Feb 5, 2021 2:43:51 GMT
I love Crown Princess Victoria. She does a spectacular job. Diana blew it with the Panorama interview. To Wit: Familiarity breeds contempt. She sealed her fate with that one.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 5, 2021 3:59:39 GMT
I love Crown Princess Victoria. She does a spectacular job. Diana blew it with the Panorama interview. To Wit: Familiarity breeds contempt. She sealed her fate with that one. She even regretted doing the interview after she watched it. Same CP Victoria is one of my favs! She’s so sweet and takes her role seriously! |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 7, 2021 3:34:41 GMT
Over the past couple of days I've been watching something called "The Proms" and I find it intriguing that no members of the BRF were there each night. The real issue I have come to realize, is that royals are no longer embedded in the culture of their nation. They are no longer part and parcel of the cultural aspects. They do not frequent the museums or landmarks or the galleries and they do not at all really go to events like the ballet or arts or anything that is even local. William spent all his time in London at the clubs and jet set to the tropics, not at all really embracing the culture of his nation. Kate is patron of the National Portrait Gallery and yet she isn't often seen there guiding tourists or really viewing the exhibitions. The Spanish royals are not seen at their own museums or really doing much for the actual culture. Other royals wear foreign couture and basically prefer France (Maria-Theresa of Luxembourg was allegedly ordered by the Luxembourg government to stop frequenting France/Paris and ordered to come back, stay, or forfeit her marriage) and ski in Switzerland. If William were to spend more time singing patriotic British songs at the Proms and spend more time in museums and showing heads of state the amazing cultural offerings, it would be better rather than mooching around KP and showing off the kids in their pajamas. I believe that a HUGE issue that is being dealt with is how the so-called royals think they are so cool, that they look down on the cultural events that would bond the royals with the people. I mentioned as well the kind of people they prefer to associate with. Imagine if William and Harry hung out with Nobel Prizewinning Laureates and dated their daughters and took them on trips to fancy places and had tea and invited them to dinner parties. By association, both princes would have ended up being able to really gain a lot of luster and if they had dated and married the daughters of these men, their stock would be high up. Or they could have hung around Sir Nicholas Winton and learned a lot from him. Both would have been all the better off for it. I did not see any prominent members of the BRF at Sir Nicholas' funeral, despite the many lives he saved and it is clear that William was too busy suing the press and Harry was too busy messing around. It really is a shame that Harry has no real value to his nation and William has ZERO appreciation for the culture of his country if it isn't about his own self glorification. It is a huge slap in the face to the people who pay their bills.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 7, 2021 5:10:22 GMT
This is very interesting! I never really thought about the Royals really not embedded in their culture. It’s true I don’t see Will and Kate going to local theatre's attending the arts, going around the UK to show the world the British culture as well as bond with the people in different parts of the UK.
You have really opened my eyes. I thought the Spanish royals was doing great esp with Leonor and her bonding with the public?
For me personally the reason why Diana will be always be the best princess for me is she did all the things you did and she wasn’t exclusive. She would visit the poor streets of Britain. I also love her hands on approach with hugging and kissing children, helping feed the poor in African countries. It seems to me that Royals don’t really do that IMO.
In terms of celebrities I have said I think Audrey Hepburn would have been a fine princess and have gone beyond. Am I wrong to say during her iconic times from the 50s-60s she was treated as such?
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Post by kueifei on Feb 7, 2021 5:29:09 GMT
She was part of the upper crust and she could have been a great princess if she had married a prince. I really do regret that royals these days have cut themselves off completely. I do think that the less celebritized the royal, the more they do for the people. The biggest mistake is that royals run with people who are trying to escape their normalcy and as a result, the royals get more and more cutoff from their people who they are supposed to be serving. When William hooked up with Kate, he ended up being cut off from the public and from the connection that he should have been establishing by reaching out. I mean really, he spent more time jet setting than he did in soup kitchens and it is clear that he was badly influenced by Kate, who was trying to escape her commoner roots. If not for Kate, William might have connected with the local community at St. Andrews, but regrettably he hooked up with her and didn't do much and Kate started freeloading right away.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 7, 2021 8:20:23 GMT
She was part of the upper crust and she could have been a great princess if she had married a prince. I really do regret that royals these days have cut themselves off completely. I do think that the less celebritized the royal, the more they do for the people. The biggest mistake is that royals run with people who are trying to escape their normalcy and as a result, the royals get more and more cutoff from their people who they are supposed to be serving. When William hooked up with Kate, he ended up being cut off from the public and from the connection that he should have been establishing by reaching out. I mean really, he spent more time jet setting than he did in soup kitchens and it is clear that he was badly influenced by Kate, who was trying to escape her commoner roots. If not for Kate, William might have connected with the local community at St. Andrews, but regrettably he hooked up with her and didn't do much and Kate started freeloading right away. You are right about Audrey would have been a great princess probably much better than Grace. I never knew Kate was a bad influence. I just think it’s Williams problem but Kate doesn’t help. I think it’s sad how these Royals don’t want to do much with the community and culture when the people is there for them to serve them! I think the reason why the BRF Royals are celebritized is because they want another Diana. Dumb! |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 7, 2021 18:31:07 GMT
Audrey brought genuine class and Grace later in life, was such an unholy snob about her time as an actress. Grace talked about it as if she had been above it all, but wasn't. You should watch her old interviews after she had been Princess of Monaco for a while. She was not classy and I resent that Grace was lauded as more than she actually was. As for Kate, given how malleable Windsor men are to a woman who is good enough in bed, it is clear that Kate was just mooching her way in. She landed him via that lingerie stunt and then wormed her way into his bed and after he chose to move off campus, Kate merrily moved in and started freeloading off of Charles or whoever was holding the purse strings. Then Kate likely convinced him to go jet setting with her along and to ski trips to resorts that she would otherwise not dare try to get into. Then the private jets and the other privileges, plus palace parties, so on and so forth. It's not like Kate herself was living her own life, she just mooched onto his.
Then she likely worked him over in private and honestly, she started suing the pres, playing games with the press, and also doing nothing whatsoever with her life and convincing William that he was responsible for her well being. Kate, like an actress, really does believe her own press and so do royals these days.
The problem with bridging that gap between royalty and celebrity, is that entertainers are not paid by the taxpayer to represent the country. There is no way that any sane politician would send Bono or Mick Jagger to a state event. Royals however seem to think that they are owed more and their sense of proportion is nonexistent. They used to never question things and would not at all challenge any aspect of their lives. I mean really, what happened to just knowing that they have it good and knowing that they can't really change things for what they are. They used to stay in the palaces, or on palace grounds, and chill among themselves, not jet set to tropical locales that have nothing to do with their countries or their work.
If I had been in William's position, or in the position of any one of those heirs, I would have just chilled in my own country, merrily hosted one dinner party for people like Nobel Laureates, and spent time lobbying the Nobel Committee over the good deeds of my people so they would get noticed and get nominations. That is the kind of work that royals should be doing as well. There really is no reason that royals need to go to foreign lands until they've done time establishing themselves with their people in as much a fundamental way as possible. All of them want to be global stars before they even really make anything of themselves in their own nation. That is especially true of the consorts who want to be global activists.
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2021 18:43:17 GMT
Diana made the misstep of bridging celebrity with royalty and that is something that should never have been done. NEVER. There is a reason that the worlds collide rather than knit together and it is clear that the lower level women prefer entertainers since with entertainers, they do not have to work to be taken seriously. Their title does it for them. Kate wanted to go to Los Angeles after her honeymoon and that caused huge confusion, since it would have been customary for the couple to go to Washington DC, not Los Angeles. Yet Kate wanted to go to L.A. mainly since the celebs were impressed with her; if she had gone to DC, Kate would have had to work hard to impress the politicians and diplomats and would have fallen way short. There is no way that Kate or William would have been able to hold their own in DC and it was kind of a slap in the face to be honest. It says a lot that titled royals think they have to play to the gallery and it is a real misstep that royals thought they had a right to a 'normal' life of undemanding privilege and that they would be allowed to switch over to a life of power by the time they got married. It is clear that for some reason, royals think that being hot and rich and titled should be enough and it is clear that they refuse to take anything seriously. During high mass, Charlotte Casiraghi spends more time looking at the camera and as for the rest, they think and dress and act more for the camera than the occasion. Red carpets at state events and it is clear that the kids are not well raised at all. I do believe that it's just a plain mess. Everyone goes on and on and on about their vaunted sacrifices, but where are the sacrifices? It is hardly there. There are no real major sacrifices or restrictions anymore, I can see that much. They are allowed to feel sorry for themselves, without really having much to feel sad about and it is clear that like celebs, despite their whining, do not at all really leave their roles to live a more fulfilling life. Kate tagged a visit to Hollywood onto an official visit to CANADA. Where she flashed her unwashed, mannish haunches in front of everybody. Nice. Tired of this new generation treating what is essentially the UK's most loyal ally like a non-entity is highly insulting. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2021 18:48:56 GMT
For a woman of her time, Coco was someone who was a true and sincere businesswoman and her clothes are something that has set a standard that has never really fallen. Chanel is a brand that will never fade and it is clear that the brand will continue for centuries. She made something of herself and she did it honestly, she was not a hustling vagrant who sought to rip anyone off. She knew herself and her situation for what it was and basically made something not just of her life, but she built a literal empire of sincere class. The nobility loved her work and she did not discriminate. She provided quality to those who could afford it and raised up others as well.
Just going to move into this thread slowly - have been appreciating reading all the posts. Please keep up, all! Coco Chanel dated a Romanov (check out the Romanov thread) Charlotte and the rest of the Grimaldis DO come from the nobility - some of their ancestors were German princes/princesses. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 7, 2021 19:30:40 GMT
Audrey brought genuine class and Grace later in life, was such an unholy snob about her time as an actress. Grace talked about it as if she had been above it all, but wasn't. You should watch her old interviews after she had been Princess of Monaco for a while. She was not classy and I resent that Grace was lauded as more than she actually was. As for Kate, given how malleable Windsor men are to a woman who is good enough in bed, it is clear that Kate was just mooching her way in. She landed him via that lingerie stunt and then wormed her way into his bed and after he chose to move off campus, Kate merrily moved in and started freeloading off of Charles or whoever was holding the purse strings. Then Kate likely convinced him to go jet setting with her along and to ski trips to resorts that she would otherwise not dare try to get into. Then the private jets and the other privileges, plus palace parties, so on and so forth. It's not like Kate herself was living her own life, she just mooched onto his.
Then she likely worked him over in private and honestly, she started suing the pres, playing games with the press, and also doing nothing whatsoever with her life and convincing William that he was responsible for her well being. Kate, like an actress, really does believe her own press and so do royals these days.
The problem with bridging that gap between royalty and celebrity, is that entertainers are not paid by the taxpayer to represent the country. There is no way that any sane politician would send Bono or Mick Jagger to a state event. Royals however seem to think that they are owed more and their sense of proportion is nonexistent. They used to never question things and would not at all challenge any aspect of their lives. I mean really, what happened to just knowing that they have it good and knowing that they can't really change things for what they are. They used to stay in the palaces, or on palace grounds, and chill among themselves, not jet set to tropical locales that have nothing to do with their countries or their work.
If I had been in William's position, or in the position of any one of those heirs, I would have just chilled in my own country, merrily hosted one dinner party for people like Nobel Laureates, and spent time lobbying the Nobel Committee over the good deeds of my people so they would get noticed and get nominations. That is the kind of work that royals should be doing as well. There really is no reason that royals need to go to foreign lands until they've done time establishing themselves with their people in as much a fundamental way as possible. All of them want to be global stars before they even really make anything of themselves in their own nation. That is especially true of the consorts who want to be global activists.
Personally for me if I was a Royal I prefer supporting the culture of my country and bringing awareness but also helping orphanages, the poor, hospices and hospitals, hosting events that help with those who are dying to feel joy. I guess that’s the person I am by nature. Also of course taking a serious approach for change and talking to diplomats, presidents and just being a great soft power roving ambassador. Well Grace resented being a princess. She was blinded by the title and fairytale aspect that she was so bored of the customs and orders. She did a tremendous job but was severely unhappy. Audrey is in my own imagination a princess in her own right. A princess aura but without the official title. Loved her Grace, class, empathy, ect... |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 7, 2021 19:31:58 GMT
For a woman of her time, Coco was someone who was a true and sincere businesswoman and her clothes are something that has set a standard that has never really fallen. Chanel is a brand that will never fade and it is clear that the brand will continue for centuries. She made something of herself and she did it honestly, she was not a hustling vagrant who sought to rip anyone off. She knew herself and her situation for what it was and basically made something not just of her life, but she built a literal empire of sincere class. The nobility loved her work and she did not discriminate. She provided quality to those who could afford it and raised up others as well.
Just going to move into this thread slowly - have been appreciating reading all the posts. Please keep up, all! Coco Chanel dated a Romanov (check out the Romanov thread) Charlotte and the rest of the Grimaldis DO come from the nobility - some of their ancestors were German princes/princesses. Thanks for allowing us to keep it giving! Oh I didn’t know that about Coco! I do know she knew how to Play the game and social climbed. Charlotte and the Grimaldis do come from real royalty but why were they treated as if they weren’t? Even to this day? Grace brought it a lot of class and when she was the Princess it was respectable. Now it’s not any longer. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 7, 2021 20:34:22 GMT
I think a huge problem that anyone might have with the Grimaldis is that they are just out of control. Caroline stole Ernst-August of Hanover from someone who thought Caroline was a genuine friend and Caroline had her own affairs and messes as well. In society, stealing another woman's husband is something that will get you cut out and second, it is clear that she has airs and graces way above her actual status in life. She was born a Serene Highness, but her behavior has always been out of control and quite honestly, despite the descent, it is clear that Caroline was not well raised and chooses to continue to behave in ways that are not right. After Charlene married Albert and became the official Princess of Monaco, Caroline still tried hogging the spotlight and stood in front of Charlene on frequent occasion until Albert likely had a word and ordered her to stop pushing Charlene around. Charlotte is the new ambassador for Chanel, but I cannot take her seriously as an intellectual and it is clear that her celebrity upbringing has not at all done her any favors. She seems to keep marketing herself, despite having nothing to really recommend herself. In honesty, she would be better off being a Princess of Hollywood instead of trying to be a Princess of Monaco or France. She keeps coming off (at least to me) as someone who wants the politicos to see that she is adored by the press and certain segments of the public (the fashion set/jet setters), but she can't see that people like the politicos do not respect those who are darlings of the tabloid media and the formerly aristocratic families of France do not want someone who markets herself all the time mainly since that does trigger a lot of instability in a person (look at the celebrity fruitloops if you get my drift) and she does not strike me as the most stable of women. She already had one kid out of wedlock and in my view, I honestly believe that she would never 'get it' that she can't just be the darling of the tabloids and get what she wants.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 7, 2021 20:43:38 GMT
I think a huge problem that anyone might have with the Grimaldis is that they are just out of control. Caroline stole Ernst-August of Hanover from someone who thought Caroline was a genuine friend and Caroline had her own affairs and messes as well. In society, stealing another woman's husband is something that will get you cut out and second, it is clear that she has airs and graces way above her actual status in life. She was born a Serene Highness, but her behavior has always been out of control and quite honestly, despite the descent, it is clear that Caroline was not well raised and chooses to continue to behave in ways that are not right. After Charlene married Albert and became the official Princess of Monaco, Caroline still tried hogging the spotlight and stood in front of Charlene on frequent occasion until Albert likely had a word and ordered her to stop pushing Charlene around. Charlotte is the new ambassador for Chanel, but I cannot take her seriously as an intellectual and it is clear that her celebrity upbringing has not at all done her any favors. She seems to keep marketing herself, despite having nothing to really recommend herself. In honesty, she would be better off being a Princess of Hollywood instead of trying to be a Princess of Monaco or France. She keeps coming off (at least to me) as someone who wants the politicos to see that she is adored by the press and certain segments of the public (the fashion set/jet setters), but she can't see that people like the politicos do not respect those who are darlings of the tabloid media and the formerly aristocratic families of France do not want someone who markets herself all the time mainly since that does trigger a lot of instability in a person (look at the celebrity fruitloops if you get my drift) and she does not strike me as the most stable of women. She already had one kid out of wedlock and in my view, I honestly believe that she would never 'get it' that she can't just be the darling of the tabloids and get what she wants. Wow you are going ham on them! But I did read Caroline did have a problem with not being the Princess of Monaco anymore since she was for more than 30 years. I think she acts like she’s a born Royal but she’s not an HRH but only a HSH. Ernst monarchy been done and over for over 100 years! I think Charlotte is trying to be a Princess of France type. Like she wants France to love and adore her and take her seriously but I think that’s not going to work. The only one who I know that was adored in France was Princess Diana. I know you don’t like Grace much but I will say despite being a married Royal she was a better princess than her daughter ever was and she by all accounts was very nice and kind to the public wherever she went. The public don’t have the same affection they had with her mother. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 8, 2021 1:03:30 GMT
She was allowed to take over her mother's place and that was wrong. Supposedly Rainer wanted to remarry, a royal princess, but Caroline was allegedly very hostile and rude since Caroline was regrettably upset about losing the role of unofficial first lady of Monaco.
As for Diana, she was part of the aristocracy and despite everything, the French have an affectionate fondness for their aristocrats, but would never literally tolerate the restoration of the monarchical system. It is simply impossible. Charlotte has never been part of the French aristocracy and the runways of Paris and designers are not part of France in a sincerely fundamental way. She could never truly fit in at a serious event and she contributes nothing to the French nation or French people. She knows the language, but she is more like a modern royal like the reigning dynasties than the new way that a lot of aristocrats are and it is clear that Charlotte holds all the wrong values. She thinks being rich and famous and attractive should be enough, but it isn't. Not in France and there are values that would cause her to be disliked even if France were a reigning dynasty. She can wear all the couture she wants, but she does not 'fit' into the cultural aspects. If you took away the cash, the connections, you would have a very basic person, not anyone exceptional. She is not and never will be someone who will ever end up being someone France can be proud of since she is not at all French. She is not and never will be a Frenchwoman in the purest sense and did she ever try to become a French citizen? She kind of gets more and more pathetic as each year goes by mainly since there is so little to her. She was Lagerfeld's muse, but to be honest, that is not enough. She has the surface traits, but she is not substantial. During her twenties she was young and rich and hot, but she coasted on that and spent most of her time yachting, smoking (in public and that is kind of crass) and I believe that she is simply not well raised enough and she was not raised during her formative years with the kind of discipline that is needed to handle all that privilege that she was handed.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 8, 2021 2:17:49 GMT
She was allowed to take over her mother's place and that was wrong. Supposedly Rainer wanted to remarry, a royal princess, but Caroline was allegedly very hostile and rude since Caroline was regrettably upset about losing the role of unofficial first lady of Monaco.
As for Diana, she was part of the aristocracy and despite everything, the French have an affectionate fondness for their aristocrats, but would never literally tolerate the restoration of the monarchical system. It is simply impossible. Charlotte has never been part of the French aristocracy and the runways of Paris and designers are not part of France in a sincerely fundamental way. She could never truly fit in at a serious event and she contributes nothing to the French nation or French people. She knows the language, but she is more like a modern royal like the reigning dynasties than the new way that a lot of aristocrats are and it is clear that Charlotte holds all the wrong values. She thinks being rich and famous and attractive should be enough, but it isn't. Not in France and there are values that would cause her to be disliked even if France were a reigning dynasty. She can wear all the couture she wants, but she does not 'fit' into the cultural aspects. If you took away the cash, the connections, you would have a very basic person, not anyone exceptional. She is not and never will be someone who will ever end up being someone France can be proud of since she is not at all French. She is not and never will be a Frenchwoman in the purest sense and did she ever try to become a French citizen? She kind of gets more and more pathetic as each year goes by mainly since there is so little to her. She was Lagerfeld's muse, but to be honest, that is not enough. She has the surface traits, but she is not substantial. During her twenties she was young and rich and hot, but she coasted on that and spent most of her time yachting, smoking (in public and that is kind of crass) and I believe that she is simply not well raised enough and she was not raised during her formative years with the kind of discipline that is needed to handle all that privilege that she was handed.
The more I hear about Caroline the more I think she is snobbish! Like wow no wonder she hated that Charlene became First Lady of Monaco. Honestly it seems like Grace and Diana are the only modern princess that the French genuinely loved with the French calling Diana Lady D. Another one is Audrey Hepburn. Charlotte seems like she wasted her 20s just being like any other socialite and not using her connections to be a mover and shaker for Monaco or do anything substantial. Annoying since she was blessed to be born into a well connected family. She literally could have done anything! Reminds me of Kate Middleton who has such a large platform yet she doesn’t want to do anything about it! It’s annoying but that’s why she will never have the respect and be a beloved Royal. Also royalty has lost its magic since the 90s so celebrities have eclipsed them. If Harry were to remarry a woman of substance and well educated and the woman was actually a breath of fresh air for the BRF and for royalty in general I think she would be a special case to watch and witness. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 8, 2021 3:44:23 GMT
Yet his new wife would get the Fergie treatment all the same, plus the trouble of Kate/William and that rotten family in general. There is no way that after everything he's pulled, that Harry will be brought back into the bosom of decency and there is no way that anyone decent will have him. No matter what, the press and BRF is a mess and that is not the kind of mess that decent, smart, hardworking women will willingly marry into. The real issue isn't just the kind of women that want in, it is the fact that the BRF mistreats almost all of their consorts. Fergie was treated very unfairly and should have been given more protection and it is clear that the kind of consorts that have been out there are becoming less and less decent. It's not like anyone 'better' will be treated better. The BRF does not protect the wives of their heirs and the press is completely out of control. If the BRF had made it clear that Harry's wife, whoever she would be, is off limlits in terms of abuse and if HM would get her filthy dipwit Kate under actual control, there might have been a chance. The BRF has an established history of basically treating their consorts terribly. As the wife of the Duke of York, Fergie never should have been mistreated as she was, but she was and then left with nothing financially to work with and so her clothes were of less decent quality than Diana's were. it isn't right that some top level woman be expected to put up with being treated as perpetually second rate. That is why the types of women that these princes get are not first rate. I do not think that there is any real chance at any kind of actual decent types.
As for Charlotte, it does irritate me that she is a child of the media, but wants to be treated as a child of an actual royal family. Caroline had the chance to marry Carl-Gustav and become Crown Princess of Sweden and eventually Queen of Sweden, but she threw that away with both hands with the way she decided to live her life (thought CG was too boring) and was too wild for Prince Charles. I also think that being a roving ambassador should be avoided and just serve the nation they were born into and find someone who is dead serious and also able to do the same.
I do believe that it is a huge shame that Charlotte was not raised to make something practical of herself and she still tries so hard to make herself into something she will never be and that is the Princess of France. For a while she had a great chance, had limitless of everything in abundance, and threw it away on self indulgence. Then there is the fact that she is ambassador for Chanel, but clearly isn't at all interested in (or able to do) anything else. One would think that after her turn in the spotlight, she would have done something for someone other than herself. As for Kate, in her twenties she was just a girlfriend, not a consort and it was pathetic seeing how Kate was marketing herself so strenuously and in all the degrading ways possible. It did enthrall William though. I find it sad that Kate marketed herself for a decade, but I find it pathetic that William let the media sway him in ways that he should be stone against. He should have been able to withstand the pressure and I find it disgusting that he never made the way clear for someone else to come into his life if he really wanted to have someone else in his life.
I wish royals would focus more on trade and get an education later in life and I do believe that there will not at all be any kind of change there either. I do not think that royals view anything that goes on in their life as 'real' and as a result, are unable to process the realities that their people live with. Even the most streetfighting type become soft after a while.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 8, 2021 4:13:30 GMT
Then why is Kate the only married in Royal treated right? Gosh no wonder she will never be the princess she dreams of. Secondly the monarchy is beginning to be on its knees and let’s say Harry does go back I believe by then they will need him a lot more. Look the Royals did not during the pandemic in 2020 and none in 2021 and it just started! Harry needs to leave Hollywood! He’s not cut for celebrity world! My dream is to have a princess that Harry marries who isn’t just a clothes horse or a celebrity Royal but takes her role seriously, cultured, educated and help those in need and add a bit of glamour to the dull Royals since they need it! Yeah from what I’ve read Caroline didn’t want to marry any Royals and was at her rebellious stage. But after her husband died she realized everyone was married off and so decided to marry a “HRH” Ernst(as if it means much anyways). So if you were Charlotte how would and what would you have done to be able to become Princess of France during the height of her popularity in her 20s? Kate to me had one goal which was William and the reason why she’s lazy and floundering now is because she can’t  behind Markle and that the Royals are pushing her so that she can be front and Center but people aren’t feeling her. There’s a disconnect. The idea of royalty and their seriousness and their allure is done and over now. It would take a very special person to bring back the magic and seriousness of it all. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 8, 2021 18:37:37 GMT
She can never be a Princess of France! That will never happen! She is not French and she is half Monegasque and half Italian, not French! I do not believe she is at a point where she could ever be a French Princess and she would have to marry a French prince and the French princes are worse than the devil in terms of pride. She is not French and never will be.
As for Caroline, she didn't go after an HRH, she wrecked a marriage and basically stole another woman's husband. She wasted her young years and married a pretty decent guy Philippe Junot who was a successful real estate investor and playboy. Then there was Stefano and he died prematurely. Then she ended up realizing that she wanted to be part of European royal society and so therefore decided to go after Ernst while he was married to someone who she was friends with. This was Caroline wrecking a marriage, much like her mother tried with Ray Milland.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 8, 2021 20:33:38 GMT
She can never be a Princess of France! That will never happen! She is not French and she is half Monegasque and half Italian, not French! I do not believe she is at a point where she could ever be a French Princess and she would have to marry a French prince and the French princes are worse than the devil in terms of pride. She is not French and never will be.
As for Caroline, she didn't go after an HRH, she wrecked a marriage and basically stole another woman's husband. She wasted her young years and married a pretty decent guy Philippe Junot who was a successful real estate investor and playboy. Then there was Stefano and he died prematurely. Then she ended up realizing that she wanted to be part of European royal society and so therefore decided to go after Ernst while he was married to someone who she was friends with. This was Caroline wrecking a marriage, much like her mother tried with Ray Milland.
Sorry I meant affectionately being. Princess in france since Mónaco has ties to France since they love Grace Kelly there. I don’t actually mean becoming a real princess. Kind of like how Diana was affectionately called the People’s Princess! Well Caroline wrecked a marriage because she wanted to be apart of European Royal society. But wasn’t she already a part of it? |
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton