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Post by purple1 on Jan 17, 2021 16:53:37 GMT
Diana was not antiseptic. She was full blooded and fully fleshed out. She did not try to be above popular culture, she enjoyed it, even reveled in it. She was someone who looked like she was alive, she didn't try to be as dead as possible. She did not pretend to be a member of the armed forces of the military (like Anne likes to, dressing in a literal uniform) or try to be above enjoying herself. It is also clear that she truly enjoyed life and made no bones about liking nice stuff or trying to be liked by others. Diana was alive in a way that her era as royal princess was. She was the kind of princess that would have fit right in with the Stuart dynasty and would in a way, connected with the British as a full person, not just an antiseptic figurine. This is why the firm didn’t like the phenomenon of princess Diana. Hmmm... It’s also why celebrities were infatuated with her. Look at Kate, I feel like celebs are infatuated with her. It’s so weird to me how these younger royals are more infatuated with celebrities. Aren’t royalty higher and more respected with celebrities?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 17, 2021 23:59:15 GMT
Royals have failed to adapt to our modern culture; now it is about merit as well as position and it is clear that royals are unsure on how to properly accomplish. They weren't schooled the way I honestly think that royals should be and they have not been expected to stay within bounds. If someone is rich enough, a royal can be paid to attend some kind of function or another and Diana was regrettably buy-able in areas that she shouldn't have been. She lived a hugely comfortable life and she ran with a bad crowd since they paid her travel bills and basically pampered her according to the royal style that she already had. Royals these days are raised with huge luxury and at the same time, they are not as trained as well as they should otherwise have been. Diana near the end of her life and during the weeks of official singleton did not know how to balance out life as a titled ex-consort and mainly since there was no expectation that she would ever divorce. There is still no real place in this world for an ex-royal and regrettably being weaned on publicity, she mixed up being famous/popular with being accomplished, that is, she was famous, therefore on par with heads of state who actually go through harder testing than just marriage.
Like a lot of celebrities, Diana thought that since she was famous and rich and still young, she was somehow as good as her husband, which in the reality of the royal world, was never going to be the case. She mistakenly mistook her position by marriage as something that was hers by right and she made the mistake of looking down on him and the BRF as lesser than she was, despite the fact that they were the ones who were on the Throne. It didn't matter that Charles was not as photogenic or good with people, or maybe the one who dominated the fashion magazines, he was the one who was next Sovereign, not Diana. Diana thought that since the press loved her (without realizing that the press only loves those who sell/generate hits) that it made her the equal of a better educated, more established man who had created a charitable organization from scratch and had created a whole new meaning to the role of Prince of Wales. It's not like Charles had the Prince's Trust to step right into. Thing is, that no matter how far back her lines went, or how the press loved her, she was still a consort and not the main Heir. She made the misstep of not respecting the fact that just because they were different, does not mean that they were entirely wrong in their ways. With time, out of respect until HM died, Diana could have made the same changes, but she made the mistake of wanting it all to change right away, all for her and nothing else. Diana however lacked the grit that a lot of entertainers have because of the struggles they endure before they make it big.
Celebrities therefore these days think that they are rich, famous, attractive, and well traveled, that they are as smart and tough as perhaps, Xi Jinping or even an American President, but they are not, they are just different and in many ways, inferior. Celebs regrettably think that their looks and wealth and fame make them the equal of say, a Vanderbilt or an Astor, without realizing that there are a lot of differences and do not want to have an entertainer come in and mess up the carefully constructed life that they have built for themselves, that actually WORKS. G.W. Bush, despite his unpopularity, is someone who has written death sentences, served (however ineptly) in the military, and did put in two terms of actual ruling. It's not something that is written as a screenplay and that is what makes it so much more significant than an actor reciting lines. I just wish celebs would realize (and this is a flaw that Meg has as well) that they are not special, just different from the people that they are so desperate to be accepted by. Celebrities would have the respect they crave if they would stop jumping in and pushing everyone around. It is clear that Meg came to Britain and ended up expecting the BRF to do as she says when she said it and made so many missteps. She thought that she was smart enough to climb, that she was smart enough to direct something that would NEVER be hers to direct. It's the same with celebs, they think that their Hollywood success makes them smart enough to tell the world leadership how the way things should be done and it is clear that few of those dolts realize that heads of state/politicians would not at all be where they are if they did not know how the world works.
Celebs and royals could go well together if celebs respected that royals have certain ways of doing things and royals could get on well with celebs if they understood what it is truly like to struggle the way celebrities do before they make it big. Instead of looking down, royals should appreciate the grit that celebs often possess. It's the same with politicians, although politicians are in a class of their own.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 18, 2021 1:59:06 GMT
Royals have failed to adapt to our modern culture; now it is about merit as well as position and it is clear that royals are unsure on how to properly accomplish. They weren't schooled the way I honestly think that royals should be and they have not been expected to stay within bounds. If someone is rich enough, a royal can be paid to attend some kind of function or another and Diana was regrettably buy-able in areas that she shouldn't have been. She lived a hugely comfortable life and she ran with a bad crowd since they paid her travel bills and basically pampered her according to the royal style that she already had. Royals these days are raised with huge luxury and at the same time, they are not as trained as well as they should otherwise have been. Diana near the end of her life and during the weeks of official singleton did not know how to balance out life as a titled ex-consort and mainly since there was no expectation that she would ever divorce. There is still no real place in this world for an ex-royal and regrettably being weaned on publicity, she mixed up being famous/popular with being accomplished, that is, she was famous, therefore on par with heads of state who actually go through harder testing than just marriage.
Like a lot of celebrities, Diana thought that since she was famous and rich and still young, she was somehow as good as her husband, which in the reality of the royal world, was never going to be the case. She mistakenly mistook her position by marriage as something that was hers by right and she made the mistake of looking down on him and the BRF as lesser than she was, despite the fact that they were the ones who were on the Throne. It didn't matter that Charles was not as photogenic or good with people, or maybe the one who dominated the fashion magazines, he was the one who was next Sovereign, not Diana. Diana thought that since the press loved her (without realizing that the press only loves those who sell/generate hits) that it made her the equal of a better educated, more established man who had created a charitable organization from scratch and had created a whole new meaning to the role of Prince of Wales. It's not like Charles had the Prince's Trust to step right into. Thing is, that no matter how far back her lines went, or how the press loved her, she was still a consort and not the main Heir. She made the misstep of not respecting the fact that just because they were different, does not mean that they were entirely wrong in their ways. With time, out of respect until HM died, Diana could have made the same changes, but she made the mistake of wanting it all to change right away, all for her and nothing else. Diana however lacked the grit that a lot of entertainers have because of the struggles they endure before they make it big.
Celebrities therefore these days think that they are rich, famous, attractive, and well traveled, that they are as smart and tough as perhaps, Xi Jinping or even an American President, but they are not, they are just different and in many ways, inferior. Celebs regrettably think that their looks and wealth and fame make them the equal of say, a Vanderbilt or an Astor, without realizing that there are a lot of differences and do not want to have an entertainer come in and mess up the carefully constructed life that they have built for themselves, that actually WORKS. G.W. Bush, despite his unpopularity, is someone who has written death sentences, served (however ineptly) in the military, and did put in two terms of actual ruling. It's not something that is written as a screenplay and that is what makes it so much more significant than an actor reciting lines. I just wish celebs would realize (and this is a flaw that Meg has as well) that they are not special, just different from the people that they are so desperate to be accepted by. Celebrities would have the respect they crave if they would stop jumping in and pushing everyone around. It is clear that Meg came to Britain and ended up expecting the BRF to do as she says when she said it and made so many missteps. She thought that she was smart enough to climb, that she was smart enough to direct something that would NEVER be hers to direct. It's the same with celebs, they think that their Hollywood success makes them smart enough to tell the world leadership how the way things should be done and it is clear that few of those dolts realize that heads of state/politicians would not at all be where they are if they did not know how the world works.
Celebs and royals could go well together if celebs respected that royals have certain ways of doing things and royals could get on well with celebs if they understood what it is truly like to struggle the way celebrities do before they make it big. Instead of looking down, royals should appreciate the grit that celebs often possess. It's the same with politicians, although politicians are in a class of their own.
Wow if I could give you a thousand hand claps I would! This is amazing! I will say though that these royals today don’t look down with celebrities because whether we like it or not they have replaced royalty with having a bigger reaches it’s why even heads of states have partnered with celebrities. The royals of the 21st century can never look down of the celebs because they all work with them and need them to reach many people. Another thing is I think that’s why Diana wanted to be a roving ambassador to be taken seriously by these heads of states who were in awe of her because of her status and princess aura and plus she was gold! Celebrities in general are so tacky! Few of them are great and branch out of their own which I respect but of this day and age are just so tacky and think just because they are famous that means they would get respect and mingle with heads of states or businessmen. Like no! Gotta work hard for that! I was thinking another thing between celebrity and royalty is back in the day royals didn't have to pay for their clothings. Example Princess Margaret loved Dior so he made her famous gown for her 21st birthday. Nowadays it’s the celebs who would get the free clothes ect and Kate has to pay for her clothes(Charles actually) it’s it ironic?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 18, 2021 2:23:03 GMT
Diana would never have been any kind of serious ambassador mainly since she did not have the education/qualifications and that kind of position takes training and sincere credibility. Diana did not have that and even with her star power, she would not be able to parlay fame/fortune/looks into actual, genuine position in diplomacy. None of that matters without education and Diana was showing that she lacked a firm center in her mindset. For all her ambition, she did not at all pursue actual education and training needed for any kind of position that would actually matter to her. As Princess of Wales, she had already been a kind of roving ambassador, but regrettably for her that wasn't enough. She let the adulation go to her head and she made the mistake of thinking that she could handle it if she successfully overthrew Charles. Her inability to think of the 'after' was something that contributed to a lot of the miseries in her life. If she had managed to overthrow Charles, the responsibility that accompanies the position of Heir is something that she would not have been able to handle. She had that princess title and she was solid gold, but she was not someone who was their full equal. She was indulged since she brought good press and her charity work was sincere, but she was not someone who had paid the same dues that they had. She had had a hyper-privileged life and that can count against someone who is seeking credibility on the world stage. She did not have to grow up poor as Xi Jinping did and she did not have to do what kind of dirty work that Vladimir Putin has had to do in order to get to where he currently is. Charity and bearing and heir is important, but it is not the same that the kind of work that politicians do on behalf of their nation or political party. She did not also grow up in this era where looks and riches and fame is never again going to be enough to get someone taken seriously. It would be something that would ironically count against her. Growing up in an aristocratic estate is something that is no longer viewed with awe and if Diana pulled some of the stuff now that she did then (phone stalking/numerous affairs) she would be pilloried by a lot of people. She would not get sympathy for a cheating husband and there is no way that her pleas for people to feel sorry for her would be well received.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 18, 2021 3:54:31 GMT
Diana would never have been any kind of serious ambassador mainly since she did not have the education/qualifications and that kind of position takes training and sincere credibility. Diana did not have that and even with her star power, she would not be able to parlay fame/fortune/looks into actual, genuine position in diplomacy. None of that matters without education and Diana was showing that she lacked a firm center in her mindset. For all her ambition, she did not at all pursue actual education and training needed for any kind of position that would actually matter to her. As Princess of Wales, she had already been a kind of roving ambassador, but regrettably for her that wasn't enough. She let the adulation go to her head and she made the mistake of thinking that she could handle it if she successfully overthrew Charles. Her inability to think of the 'after' was something that contributed to a lot of the miseries in her life. If she had managed to overthrow Charles, the responsibility that accompanies the position of Heir is something that she would not have been able to handle. She had that princess title and she was solid gold, but she was not someone who was their full equal. She was indulged since she brought good press and her charity work was sincere, but she was not someone who had paid the same dues that they had. She had had a hyper-privileged life and that can count against someone who is seeking credibility on the world stage. She did not have to grow up poor as Xi Jinping did and she did not have to do what kind of dirty work that Vladimir Putin has had to do in order to get to where he currently is. Charity and bearing and heir is important, but it is not the same that the kind of work that politicians do on behalf of their nation or political party. She did not also grow up in this era where looks and riches and fame is never again going to be enough to get someone taken seriously. It would be something that would ironically count against her. Growing up in an aristocratic estate is something that is no longer viewed with awe and if Diana pulled some of the stuff now that she did then (phone stalking/numerous affairs) she would be pilloried by a lot of people. She would not get sympathy for a cheating husband and there is no way that her pleas for people to feel sorry for her would be well received.
So are you saying she should have stuck with the charity works and humanitarianism that was effective? Because I agree that was very effective on her part. Possibly the adulation got in her head but for what it’s worth she was actually a darn good princess. Another thing is why is Angelina Jolie taken seriously if she’s only a “celebrity”? I will say though that these royals today don’t look down with celebrities because whether we like it or not they have replaced royalty with having a bigger reaches it’s why even heads of states have partnered with celebrities. The royals of the 21st century can never look down of the celebs because they all work with them and need them to reach many people.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 18, 2021 22:09:27 GMT
I have no idea why Angelina Jolie is received by heads of state and I have the sincere belief that humanitarianism is vital and so was Diana's charity work. That is where she was at her best. Celebrities however seem to think that they have the right to skip over education and actual training (that takes place off camera) and just step right in and start openly debating issues with heads of state as equals and also behind closed doors and that their signatures should go on treaties and have those treaties include clauses of their own composing. There are those who work ten times harder than Diana ever did on education and training that should be given priority, not someone who was essentially a high school dropout and didn't put in their grit as well. All the fame and good press in the world will never make up for a lack of qualifications. It's not the same and never would be. It's like suggesting that Jackie Chan should run China instead of Xi Jinping. All well and good that she was young and famous and attractive and had a huge divorce settlement, but it is never going to be the same as education/training and sacrifice, HUGE personal sacrifice in ways that even marriage can't match. In the Tina Brown book, Diana was written about as wanting to serve as some kind intermediary between heads of state since she fancied herself at 'being good at sorting people's heads out' and Tina wrote about how delusional Diana was that she would ever be able to sort out the minds of Jiang Zemin and (then) French President Chirac. There is no way that Diana could have been qualified since she herself was pretty mixed up. A lot of royals really do believe that they can just waltz in or bully their way in using the press (like the Midds did with the BRF) and just do whatever they darn well like once in. A lot of royals have degrees, but it's not the same as someone who worked and paid their way through and it is clear that the consorts are much of anything either. Even with their degrees, these consorts have been out of the formal workforce for so long that there really is not any kind of actual credibility left to these women. They are well kept housewives with titles and insanely large allowances. Their educations were not first class and even if they had been, it's not like much of it is used. They are no longer what they used to be before marriage and it is clear that like entertainers, they are doing silly little 'conferences' on causes that deserve better than these ornamental airheads. Entertainers pay a high personal price in terms of training, but it's really not the same. Education tells and at the worst of it, Diana would have been unable to handle the pressures that are a fundamental part of being a diplomat/ambassador.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 18, 2021 23:10:00 GMT
I have no idea why Angelina Jolie is received by heads of state and I have the sincere belief that humanitarianism is vital and so was Diana's charity work. That is where she was at her best. Celebrities however seem to think that they have the right to skip over education and actual training (that takes place off camera) and just step right in and start openly debating issues with heads of state as equals and also behind closed doors and that their signatures should go on treaties and have those treaties include clauses of their own composing. There are those who work ten times harder than Diana ever did on education and training that should be given priority, not someone who was essentially a high school dropout and didn't put in their grit as well. All the fame and good press in the world will never make up for a lack of qualifications. It's not the same and never would be. It's like suggesting that Jackie Chan should run China instead of Xi Jinping. All well and good that she was young and famous and attractive and had a huge divorce settlement, but it is never going to be the same as education/training and sacrifice, HUGE personal sacrifice in ways that even marriage can't match. In the Tina Brown book, Diana was written about as wanting to serve as some kind intermediary between heads of state since she fancied herself at 'being good at sorting people's heads out' and Tina wrote about how delusional Diana was that she would ever be able to sort out the minds of Jiang Zemin and (then) French President Chirac. There is no way that Diana could have been qualified since she herself was pretty mixed up. A lot of royals really do believe that they can just waltz in or bully their way in using the press (like the Midds did with the BRF) and just do whatever they darn well like once in. A lot of royals have degrees, but it's not the same as someone who worked and paid their way through and it is clear that the consorts are much of anything either. Even with their degrees, these consorts have been out of the formal workforce for so long that there really is not any kind of actual credibility left to these women. They are well kept housewives with titles and insanely large allowances. Their educations were not first class and even if they had been, it's not like much of it is used. They are no longer what they used to be before marriage and it is clear that like entertainers, they are doing silly little 'conferences' on causes that deserve better than these ornamental airheads. Entertainers pay a high personal price in terms of training, but it's really not the same. Education tells and at the worst of it, Diana would have been unable to handle the pressures that are a fundamental part of being a diplomat/ambassador.
I agree with you. She would have been better being an ambassador for many charities and focus on humanitarianism where she SHINED and because she shined in those areas many heads of states and powerful businessmen wanted to work with her because she brought awareness. It also helped that she was very warm of a person and made people feel at ease. Everyone wanted to meet her to it would be better to focus on your asset instead of branching into a place that could cause many criticisms. That’s why heads of states don’t have the time of day for William because he believes he can waltz his way in and act like what he is saying is important and the final say. With the Covid train wreck tour showing that Scotland prime minster didnt even want to entertain them. With celebrities I would be more impressed if they went back to school to get an international relations degree and used their reach and worked hard it would amazing. But celeb culture is dying so that’s a good thing.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 18, 2021 23:57:30 GMT
What irritates me, is with their megabucks and flexibility, they could get a first rate education and yet choose not to. Idiots, the pack of them. As for Diana and royals in general, they need to just chill and stick with charity and also stop trying to be movers/shakers. I really do dislike that just because a woman is good in the sack with a prince, she gets the ring, tiara, title, and also the other perks and they have the GALL to think that they are somehow entitled to decide things that affect millions. I mean really, it would make me irate to no end and all of us know how these women were before they got the prince into bed and down the aisle. Now all of a sudden these women are qualified to get mixed in with diplomacy and politics and also tell others how to live their lives. Fed up.
I'm glad too; honestly, once that is dead and over, we'll all be better off. I find it intriguing that royals absorbed the celebrity ethos and not one of their ancestors. A huge struggle that royals have faced and failed at is the absorption into celebrity culture and it is clear that royals should have avoided it by working hard to assiduously draw lines between themselves and that culture by beefing up on education/qualifications and also stop letting themselves get dragged into the media maelstrom. They have teams to handle all that and it is clear that they have allowed the press to dictate to them what is 'real' and what is not real. William really thought that the press/columnists had a right to tell him how to live his life and regrettably he was not at all raised as he should have been. William should have seen how his mother ruined her life by messing with the press and he should have not allowed a columnist to literally dictate his personal life in certain areas. If he wasn't happy with Kate, or respected Kate enough, he should have cut her out and ignored what the media was literally ordering him to do.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 19, 2021 0:51:58 GMT
What irritates me, is with their megabucks and flexibility, they could get a first rate education and yet choose not to. Idiots, the pack of them. As for Diana and royals in general, they need to just chill and stick with charity and also stop trying to be movers/shakers. I really do dislike that just because a woman is good in the sack with a prince, she gets the ring, tiara, title, and also the other perks and they have the GALL to think that they are somehow entitled to decide things that affect millions. I mean really, it would make me irate to no end and all of us know how these women were before they got the prince into bed and down the aisle. Now all of a sudden these women are qualified to get mixed in with diplomacy and politics and also tell others how to live their lives. Fed up.
I'm glad too; honestly, once that is dead and over, we'll all be better off. I find it intriguing that royals absorbed the celebrity ethos and not one of their ancestors. A huge struggle that royals have faced and failed at is the absorption into celebrity culture and it is clear that royals should have avoided it by working hard to assiduously draw lines between themselves and that culture by beefing up on education/qualifications and also stop letting themselves get dragged into the media maelstrom. They have teams to handle all that and it is clear that they have allowed the press to dictate to them what is 'real' and what is not real. William really thought that the press/columnists had a right to tell him how to live his life and regrettably he was not at all raised as he should have been. William should have seen how his mother ruined her life by messing with the press and he should have not allowed a columnist to literally dictate his personal life in certain areas. If he wasn't happy with Kate, or respected Kate enough, he should have cut her out and ignored what the media was literally ordering him to do.
I agree the royals need to stick with charity or humanitarianism and promote British goods. Diana excelled in that and in turn people respected her well enough. Before her wanting to be a roving ambassador and talk to these leaders she would visit countries and do humanitarian/charity work with a bit of glam in fundraising. Like why didn’t she stick with that? She had loads of respect just doing that and it wasn’t because she was titled! This whole campaign to be a global superstar(looking at Markle, William and Kate) is so weird to me. It’s WK fault they didn’t work hard enough in the beginning that’s why people have forgotten about them. I think even though celeb culture is dying that because the royals have as bored everything that’s celebrity that they can’t go back to dividing that line. It’s been blurred at this point. Plus none of these royals we have today have the sparkle to really divide themselves from royalty and celebrity. They need celebrity unfortunately.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 19, 2021 1:44:46 GMT
I just wish Diana had learned to think things through before acting. She never really did think that some things were better off without her involved. She never understood why Charles didn't love her the way the press loved her (much like celebrities think) without realizing that after a lifetime of fame and wealth, that her being famous and wealthy as his consort did not impress him and neither did her looks or her charm or her charisma. It's like an actor or actress wondering why a certain type of person doesn't adore them as much as their fans do. They literally cannot comprehend that politicians do not just see the fame or wealth, but know how to spot the lack of education and the lack of inner completion and it is obvious that since they are heads of state, they are perfectly capable of seeing through the hype. Kind of like how Joan Crawford (in that Mommy Dearest film) wailed about how Christina didn't adore or respect her as much as a non-family member and Christina yelled back "Because I am not one of your fans" and that set Joan off big time. Diana couldn't comprehend why Charles and the rest of the BRF didn't go as wild for her as the rest of the public did, but they were not there to root for her or cheer her on or make her as adored as the public did. I remember watching the latest season of "The Crown" and in it, Diana was trying to convince HM to love her as the public did and expressed the thought that if HM loved Diana as Diana 'needed' to be loved, that the rest of the family would fall into line; it creeped me out since it was clear that Diana was trying to manipulate the Queen into doing what Diana wanted HM to do, which was engage in a form of submissive adoration and make the rest of the RF do the same. The next step would be that Diana would take charge of it all and be in charge, a defacto head of the family. Then there was the scene where Diana mentioned to Prince Philip about getting a divorce if she didn't get the love and appreciation she felt she deserved and go figure, that ended up with Diana being told that a life outside the BRF wouldn't go well for her. To me it looked like Diana was basically blackmailing the Consort of the Sovereign and she was. Any kind of threat along the lines of "Give me what I want out of you or I'll walk away" is an act of abuse, not love and entertainers almost always threaten to walk away if their demands are not met to the letter.
It's the same with 'modern royals,' they really do think that it's okay to hold their countries hostage, hold the succession hostage, if they are not allowed to marry their precious tarts or their latest bed mate. "Give me what I want or I will wreck it all" and that is how these worthless consorts have gotten rings and titles and perks. As for Diana and celebs, she was clearly mixed up in their mindset that she couldn't comprehend that she should have grown beyond being so needy after a certain point in time. She was adored by the public and thrived on contact, but regrettably she really did think that she was some kind of messianic figure that was born to 'save' the Windsors from themselves, despite the fact that the Windsors were who they were and didn't want to change. After all, the royal life is actually in my view pretty basic and uncomplicated and to a large extent, it was working just fine. Meg and Diana really did believe that they had a right to just walk in and start changing things, despite the fact that the way HM did things was not inferior, but different and it was the same with Charles. Quite honestly, if my boyfriend were adored by the public and at the same time I were viewing any kind of match as questionable, I would choose to break it off and be branded the bad guy. It just goes to show that marrying someone who relies on good press to marshal their way into a relationship or marriage is sometimes bad news. If Diana had been content to be the pampered consort and influential mother of a future Sovereign, she would have been still married and alive. She really did think she was fit to run things, despite her lack of actual qualifications and her lack of actual real world experience beyond media adoration. While I wouldn't trust Prince Charles with the nuclear codes, I would trust his views on agriculture and literature and I would certainly trust his views on philanthropy.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 19, 2021 2:56:42 GMT
I just wish Diana had learned to think things through before acting. She never really did think that some things were better off without her involved. She never understood why Charles didn't love her the way the press loved her (much like celebrities think) without realizing that after a lifetime of fame and wealth, that her being famous and wealthy as his consort did not impress him and neither did her looks or her charm or her charisma. It's like an actor or actress wondering why a certain type of person doesn't adore them as much as their fans do. They literally cannot comprehend that politicians do not just see the fame or wealth, but know how to spot the lack of education and the lack of inner completion and it is obvious that since they are heads of state, they are perfectly capable of seeing through the hype. Kind of like how Joan Crawford (in that Mommy Dearest film) wailed about how Christina didn't adore or respect her as much as a non-family member and Christina yelled back "Because I am not one of your fans" and that set Joan off big time. Diana couldn't comprehend why Charles and the rest of the BRF didn't go as wild for her as the rest of the public did, but they were not there to root for her or cheer her on or make her as adored as the public did. I remember watching the latest season of "The Crown" and in it, Diana was trying to convince HM to love her as the public did and expressed the thought that if HM loved Diana as Diana 'needed' to be loved, that the rest of the family would fall into line; it creeped me out since it was clear that Diana was trying to manipulate the Queen into doing what Diana wanted HM to do, which was engage in a form of submissive adoration and make the rest of the RF do the same. The next step would be that Diana would take charge of it all and be in charge, a defacto head of the family. Then there was the scene where Diana mentioned to Prince Philip about getting a divorce if she didn't get the love and appreciation she felt she deserved and go figure, that ended up with Diana being told that a life outside the BRF wouldn't go well for her. To me it looked like Diana was basically blackmailing the Consort of the Sovereign and she was. Any kind of threat along the lines of "Give me what I want out of you or I'll walk away" is an act of abuse, not love and entertainers almost always threaten to walk away if their demands are not met to the letter.
It's the same with 'modern royals,' they really do think that it's okay to hold their countries hostage, hold the succession hostage, if they are not allowed to marry their precious tarts or their latest bed mate. "Give me what I want or I will wreck it all" and that is how these worthless consorts have gotten rings and titles and perks. As for Diana and celebs, she was clearly mixed up in their mindset that she couldn't comprehend that she should have grown beyond being so needy after a certain point in time. She was adored by the public and thrived on contact, but regrettably she really did think that she was some kind of messianic figure that was born to 'save' the Windsors from themselves, despite the fact that the Windsors were who they were and didn't want to change. After all, the royal life is actually in my view pretty basic and uncomplicated and to a large extent, it was working just fine. Meg and Diana really did believe that they had a right to just walk in and start changing things, despite the fact that the way HM did things was not inferior, but different and it was the same with Charles. Quite honestly, if my boyfriend were adored by the public and at the same time I were viewing any kind of match as questionable, I would choose to break it off and be branded the bad guy. It just goes to show that marrying someone who relies on good press to marshal their way into a relationship or marriage is sometimes bad news. If Diana had been content to be the pampered consort and influential mother of a future Sovereign, she would have been still married and alive. She really did think she was fit to run things, despite her lack of actual qualifications and her lack of actual real world experience beyond media adoration. While I wouldn't trust Prince Charles with the nuclear codes, I would trust his views on agriculture and literature and I would certainly trust his views on philanthropy.
Wow this is very insightful read! I agree with on many points that Diana believed she could tackle things like diplomats but she wasn’t educated but relied on her popularity and influence. She was much better being an impactful influential humanitarian because to me that’s where she thrived and showed her compassion that made her popular in the first place. It’s sad that now royals need the celebs more than ever before. You know it’s bad when celebs don’t even want to work with William back in 2017 during Heads Together. It has become tacky. Don’t you think?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 19, 2021 4:05:48 GMT
I honestly think that if William valued real credibility, he would have sought out actual psychologists and maybe even asked some to come out of retirement and get involved. Then William could make informative speeches and really dig in and put real effort into making something special of finding a way to explain mental illness to the wider public and move the mentally ill away from marginalization. It is clear that he failed when he did that asinine commercial with Lady Gaga and that actually alienated me and I have a mental illness. Lady Gaga really isn't the kind of person who present herself with dignity and class. It's not like she was someone who was living a life that isn't an embodiment of a complete cartoon. If William had done a commercial with a well respected psychologist, then it would have been more interesting and in depth. It would not have been something along the lines of a few token lines, but maybe something better. William has half-arsed it where he should be putting in double the effort and his causes fall flat since there is no infusion of originality and there is no real passion for it. He is not someone who has been diligent and he is not taking it seriously and it shows. He is also pissing off actual professionals and actual mentally ill with his celebritization of mental illness. For some reason, this is the new Hollywood cause du jour and it's irritating since this is a form of illness that needs to be treated with the utmost respect. It's not like AIDS really, this is something that goes back centuries and regrettably there is this horrific stigma that still persists. It's not right that William treat this as a PR grab and as his latest silly, whimsical interest of the moment. He could have PHD scholars on tap, but chooses the celebrity route. Mental illness is more like an open secret, everyone knows about it, but no one talks about it. Everyone dances around it and it is clear that he is someone who has not at all taken any of this seriously.
It always has to be about him. Harry mentioned getting PTSD every time he sees a camera flash, but it is clear that he went about expressing himself the wrong way. It's not like William really SHOWS that he is serious about mental illness and I resent how he has done some token stuff, but he has not quite ended up really showing that he takes it seriously. He hasn't stuck with it and really done anything in-depth. He is treating it as a way to pass his time rather than approaching it with the respect that a topic like mental illness deserves. He is treating an often terrible affliction like it is a sort of perverse fascination, like a warped kid reading about and becoming fascinated by the Holocaust. He really does not realize that this isn't something you mess with at all. People SUFFER from this.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 19, 2021 11:43:39 GMT
I honestly think that if William valued real credibility, he would have sought out actual psychologists and maybe even asked some to come out of retirement and get involved. Then William could make informative speeches and really dig in and put real effort into making something special of finding a way to explain mental illness to the wider public and move the mentally ill away from marginalization. It is clear that he failed when he did that asinine commercial with Lady Gaga and that actually alienated me and I have a mental illness. Lady Gaga really isn't the kind of person who present herself with dignity and class. It's not like she was someone who was living a life that isn't an embodiment of a complete cartoon. If William had done a commercial with a well respected psychologist, then it would have been more interesting and in depth. It would not have been something along the lines of a few token lines, but maybe something better. William has half-arsed it where he should be putting in double the effort and his causes fall flat since there is no infusion of originality and there is no real passion for it. He is not someone who has been diligent and he is not taking it seriously and it shows. He is also pissing off actual professionals and actual mentally ill with his celebritization of mental illness. For some reason, this is the new Hollywood cause du jour and it's irritating since this is a form of illness that needs to be treated with the utmost respect. It's not like AIDS really, this is something that goes back centuries and regrettably there is this horrific stigma that still persists. It's not right that William treat this as a PR grab and as his latest silly, whimsical interest of the moment. He could have PHD scholars on tap, but chooses the celebrity route. Mental illness is more like an open secret, everyone knows about it, but no one talks about it. Everyone dances around it and it is clear that he is someone who has not at all taken any of this seriously.
It always has to be about him. Harry mentioned getting PTSD every time he sees a camera flash, but it is clear that he went about expressing himself the wrong way. It's not like William really SHOWS that he is serious about mental illness and I resent how he has done some token stuff, but he has not quite ended up really showing that he takes it seriously. He hasn't stuck with it and really done anything in-depth. He is treating it as a way to pass his time rather than approaching it with the respect that a topic like mental illness deserves. He is treating an often terrible affliction like it is a sort of perverse fascination, like a warped kid reading about and becoming fascinated by the Holocaust. He really does not realize that this isn't something you mess with at all. People SUFFER from this.
I 100% agree with you. I found it tacky as well and how he goes about mental illness. We all have it to some degrees. I didn’t like how he went about it with Gaga. Your right if he had gone with a real professional it would have been better. Doesn’t this prove that these royals today don’t know what they are doing and using celebs?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 19, 2021 18:43:29 GMT
Thing is, that royals have forgotten all about 'process' and are always looking down on people who do the dirty work. It is such a huge slap in the face that there are those who work like CRAZY to keep their lives going, but have to put up with airs and graces, as if the royal is the one who writes the speeches, or writes the checks that pay the bills (not that royals actually pay bills) or cleans/maintains their wardrobe. They really truly believe that they know more than a PHD or an actual soldier who takes ACTUAL hits and comes home to an uncertain future. I was watching "The Wife" and realized that there are people whose life's work culminates in achieving that prize and go figure, they have to bow to a man (the King) as part of the ceremonial "Three Reverences" that are required. Then the royals dine sitting all together and admittedly the guest of honor might in fact sit with the royals, but after the banquet, the royals just go back to their palaces and the guests of honor just end up being discarded. Then royals go off to the jet set and hang with the trashy types and some don't even attend funerals of Nobel Laureates. Sir Nicholas Winton, who saved a TON of lives, was not a part of William and Harry's social life and is not someone that had a full royal turnout at his funeral. No royal made any speeches lauding his work and good life that he lived. It's not like William ever bothers to even make a sincere effort at investitures where a lot of people have had their life's work culminate in getting honored and William and Co. can't be bothered to do more than a few minutes of meet/greet and then he is off partying.
In 2011, Kate mingled at Buckingham Palace for fifteen minutes with the new President of the United States and then ran off. What should have been a bond building experience ended up being a brush off and I wonder how different it would have been if the ducal couple had invited the President/First Lady to dinner or on a small trip/vacation? I mean really, modern royals have no discernment between the cheap and the great. If I were a part of a reigning family, I would be hanging out with people like Nobel Laureate scientists and paying them to teach me everything. They could get a first rate education and also a top level set of advisors, but they have zero appreciation for any of them. Imagine studying inside a palace loaded with books that are filled with generation's worth of knowledge and wisdom and getting private lectures from first rate tutors and getting the kind of education that would really put them in a league of their own. It's not like they are without means to do well. I am so fed up with royals acting like the world is on their shoulders and it's only justified that they get to indulge. William is hyped as being the future King and everyone really seems to think that it's okay for William to to ef-all and mess around while his people starve or work to pay for his luxe life. There are no real constrictions anymore and it's only justified that everyone resents the fact that they get all the fun/perks and everyone has to work and live an insecure life with an uncertain future. William gives nothing back and his mentality is like that of a celebrity. He really does think that everyone should wait on him and should just do as he thinks and when he wants it done on whim and Kate has been the same for a very long time.
Celebrities, over time, often forget the amount of arduous work that goes into the creation of a production or really much of anything else.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 20, 2021 3:18:52 GMT
Thing is, that royals have forgotten all about 'process' and are always looking down on people who do the dirty work. It is such a huge slap in the face that there are those who work like CRAZY to keep their lives going, but have to put up with airs and graces, as if the royal is the one who writes the speeches, or writes the checks that pay the bills (not that royals actually pay bills) or cleans/maintains their wardrobe. They really truly believe that they know more than a PHD or an actual soldier who takes ACTUAL hits and comes home to an uncertain future. I was watching "The Wife" and realized that there are people whose life's work culminates in achieving that prize and go figure, they have to bow to a man (the King) as part of the ceremonial "Three Reverences" that are required. Then the royals dine sitting all together and admittedly the guest of honor might in fact sit with the royals, but after the banquet, the royals just go back to their palaces and the guests of honor just end up being discarded. Then royals go off to the jet set and hang with the trashy types and some don't even attend funerals of Nobel Laureates. Sir Nicholas Winton, who saved a TON of lives, was not a part of William and Harry's social life and is not someone that had a full royal turnout at his funeral. No royal made any speeches lauding his work and good life that he lived. It's not like William ever bothers to even make a sincere effort at investitures where a lot of people have had their life's work culminate in getting honored and William and Co. can't be bothered to do more than a few minutes of meet/greet and then he is off partying.
In 2011, Kate mingled at Buckingham Palace for fifteen minutes with the new President of the United States and then ran off. What should have been a bond building experience ended up being a brush off and I wonder how different it would have been if the ducal couple had invited the President/First Lady to dinner or on a small trip/vacation? I mean really, modern royals have no discernment between the cheap and the great. If I were a part of a reigning family, I would be hanging out with people like Nobel Laureate scientists and paying them to teach me everything. They could get a first rate education and also a top level set of advisors, but they have zero appreciation for any of them. Imagine studying inside a palace loaded with books that are filled with generation's worth of knowledge and wisdom and getting private lectures from first rate tutors and getting the kind of education that would really put them in a league of their own. It's not like they are without means to do well. I am so fed up with royals acting like the world is on their shoulders and it's only justified that they get to indulge. William is hyped as being the future King and everyone really seems to think that it's okay for William to to ef-all and mess around while his people starve or work to pay for his luxe life. There are no real constrictions anymore and it's only justified that everyone resents the fact that they get all the fun/perks and everyone has to work and live an insecure life with an uncertain future. William gives nothing back and his mentality is like that of a celebrity. He really does think that everyone should wait on him and should just do as he thinks and when he wants it done on whim and Kate has been the same for a very long time.
Celebrities, over time, often forget the amount of arduous work that goes into the creation of a production or really much of anything else.
I agree the royals and celebs don’t give credit to the people who make them or work hard on their behalf. It’s not nice and honestly the royals today seem to not care much about the people or the common man. It’s gross “ William is hyped as being the future King and everyone really seems to think that it's okay for William to to ef-all and mess around while his people starve or work to pay for his luxe life. There are no real constrictions anymore and it's only justified that everyone resents the fact that they get all the fun/perks and everyone has to work and live an insecure life with an uncertain future. William gives nothing back and his mentality is like that of a celebrity. He really does think that everyone should wait on him and should just do as he thinks and when he wants it done on whim and Kate has been the same for a very long time.” - Is that why world leaders or influential businessmen don’t really respect him that much? I agree if they got an education and not rely on being a royal alone people would have more respect or if they focus on humanitarian work it would be fine.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 21, 2021 20:23:20 GMT
Much of it is upbringing and making the mistake of marrying the wrong types. Princes marry women who want to GET AWAY from their commoner roots, they do not want to embrace them and embrace their fellow commoners. Look at how Kate pretends that she didn't know anything about the life she lived before she became a duchess. Silvia and Sonja were both flakes and indulged in plastic surgery and Sonja supposedly attempted suicide as Harald tried to move on and Mette-Marit does nothing for the people of Norway. She spends time with jet set riff-raff and prefers to just mooch around. She is sick with a terminal illness now, but she really wasted her best years throwing all that goodwill and trust away. Celebrities are the same. After a few years of fame they are determined to forget that they were ever nobodies and enjoy pretending that they are more than employees of the studio. Royals have forgotten that all they have, they have because of the politicians and the people who pay their bills, that is, the paying public. God put them in that family, that powerful family, but they forget that God has a history of running out of patience. Marie Antoinette and Empress Alexandra (of Russia) can attest to that. They do nothing that betters the lives of their people and they do nothing to make the jobs of the politicians easier. If William had been a better person and more responsible royal, he might now be married to Jecca Craig or someone suitable and who would be able to keep her personal life clean and able to just end up focusing on her work and making the right contacts that would make the lives of their people better. I am also sure that William would be happier as well. It is regrettable that royals are raised more like the spoiled brats of Hollywood celebrities instead of the self sacrificing royals they are supposed to be. That was the main dividing line, self sacrifice.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 21, 2021 20:46:46 GMT
Much of it is upbringing and making the mistake of marrying the wrong types. Princes marry women who want to GET AWAY from their commoner roots, they do not want to embrace them and embrace their fellow commoners. Look at how Kate pretends that she didn't know anything about the life she lived before she became a duchess. Silvia and Sonja were both flakes and indulged in plastic surgery and Sonja supposedly attempted suicide as Harald tried to move on and Mette-Marit does nothing for the people of Norway. She spends time with jet set riff-raff and prefers to just mooch around. She is sick with a terminal illness now, but she really wasted her best years throwing all that goodwill and trust away. Celebrities are the same. After a few years of fame they are determined to forget that they were ever nobodies and enjoy pretending that they are more than employees of the studio. Royals have forgotten that all they have, they have because of the politicians and the people who pay their bills, that is, the paying public. God put them in that family, that powerful family, but they forget that God has a history of running out of patience. Marie Antoinette and Empress Alexandra (of Russia) can attest to that. They do nothing that betters the lives of their people and they do nothing to make the jobs of the politicians easier. If William had been a better person and more responsible royal, he might now be married to Jecca Craig or someone suitable and who would be able to keep her personal life clean and able to just end up focusing on her work and making the right contacts that would make the lives of their people better. I am also sure that William would be happier as well. It is regrettable that royals are raised more like the spoiled brats of Hollywood celebrities instead of the self sacrificing royals they are supposed to be. That was the main dividing line, self sacrifice.
Even if you weren’t raised in that life you can still Be a royal with your new status and still be humble. Like Letizia or Daniel. It’s possible but your examples show these women just prefer the lifestyle than to help more. This is why I will always put Diana in higher regards as a royal princess. Also its true celebs forget their roots because their fans treat them like gods and they have fame. It’s annoying.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 22, 2021 2:44:36 GMT
Celebs forget their place and think that they have some right to run after certain types. There is Emma Watson with her feminism BS and then there are a great many others who actually think that they have a right to 'protect' someone who isn't theirs to protect. Elton John is a good example. That 'friendship' he thinks he has with the princes is not healthy. Any real connection should have ended with their mother's death, but clearly Elton still prefers to involve himself in their life or he would not have had an invitation. Diana was his buddy, but I wonder if Elton was a healthy influence. I think he didn't help the princes get over their mother's death and it is clear that Elton thinks of himself as more than he should be to the princes. Elton is not a relative and it's not healthy for a much older guy to be fixated on the well being of two now fully grown men who should be more than able to live their own lives and think their own thoughts. It would be better if Elton hadn't been allowed to hold onto two (then) vulnerable princes and I don't think he (Elton) is someone who really knows where grieving ends and obsessing begins. I think Elton and a lot of others ended up developing an unhealthy fixation on Diana and so did the princes at an age where what they are growing up into is critical. Instead of growing out of their grieving, they grew into an unhealthy form of mourning (whatever that was) and ended up never getting out of that state and their thought process became cyclical instead of straightforward and moving forward. A LOT of celebrities lose the ability to think straightforwardly and get seriously messed up. By the time they turned in their early twenties, they should have been growing into the outward world and choosing to live life again and engage the public with the palace handling the press. Not getting mixed up with bad types and partying year in and year out and not realizing that they were terribly off the rails and taking their dynasty with them. I do not think that they are even all that mentally healthy. Royals feel so sorry for themselves all the time and like celebs, they practically order the public to feel sorry for them even when they get it all, they still fixate on the most pointless things to be miserable about. It's not healthy and they do not know how to get out of that mental funk that they choose to be in.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 24, 2021 3:49:30 GMT
Celebs forget their place and think that they have some right to run after certain types. There is Emma Watson with her feminism BS and then there are a great many others who actually think that they have a right to 'protect' someone who isn't theirs to protect. Elton John is a good example. That 'friendship' he thinks he has with the princes is not healthy. Any real connection should have ended with their mother's death, but clearly Elton still prefers to involve himself in their life or he would not have had an invitation. Diana was his buddy, but I wonder if Elton was a healthy influence. I think he didn't help the princes get over their mother's death and it is clear that Elton thinks of himself as more than he should be to the princes. Elton is not a relative and it's not healthy for a much older guy to be fixated on the well being of two now fully grown men who should be more than able to live their own lives and think their own thoughts. It would be better if Elton hadn't been allowed to hold onto two (then) vulnerable princes and I don't think he (Elton) is someone who really knows where grieving ends and obsessing begins. I think Elton and a lot of others ended up developing an unhealthy fixation on Diana and so did the princes at an age where what they are growing up into is critical. Instead of growing out of their grieving, they grew into an unhealthy form of mourning (whatever that was) and ended up never getting out of that state and their thought process became cyclical instead of straightforward and moving forward. A LOT of celebrities lose the ability to think straightforwardly and get seriously messed up. By the time they turned in their early twenties, they should have been growing into the outward world and choosing to live life again and engage the public with the palace handling the press. Not getting mixed up with bad types and partying year in and year out and not realizing that they were terribly off the rails and taking their dynasty with them. I do not think that they are even all that mentally healthy. Royals feel so sorry for themselves all the time and like celebs, they practically order the public to feel sorry for them even when they get it all, they still fixate on the most pointless things to be miserable about. It's not healthy and they do not know how to get out of that mental funk that they choose to be in.
A bit off topic but I was reading articles about the fashion industry like Chanel and how they would fly out their loyal VIP clients to stay at the best hotels and food and visit the Palace of Versailles even the restricted areas. The thing is they aren’t really celebrities. So it makes me wonder what treatment celebs get but also made me think about Diana. She was the worlds most famous princess and looked good in anything. I’ve read many fashion designers wanted her to showcase their designs for their seasons/collection and she sold out everything and made everything iconic! So it made me wonder if those people got that treatment to what extent did Diana get?
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Post by kueifei on Jan 24, 2021 4:13:53 GMT
Diana was someone special and I think it made celebs think that they are the same, but they are not. Diana was just plain special and in her own league. She was secure in ways that celebs have always wanted. I think Diana made a terrible mistake in thinking that she could pull stuff like celebs did (playing games with the press/doing interviews that would expose the innermost goings on in her private life) and that it would not have a bad effect. It always does and it is regrettable that she took a fairly simple minded approach and let celebs and that particular culture 'in,' in ways that were not good. Prince Philip let them in with his decision to reach out to Hollywood, but it made the monarchy vulnerable since fame is fickle and so are fans of entertainers. It made the monarchy subject to the unstable nature of public opinion and focused on popularity instead of accomplishment. If the royals went in the direction of socializing mainly with Nobel Laureates or military veterans outside of court circles, it would be on firmer ground and they would have allies and sources of support from people who are more stable, who are ACTUAL intellectuals, and would be around the type of people who know where the boundaries are. It's not like the Nobel Laureates would be like Elton John, who is still unhealthily fixated on Diana's death (Diana was not his mother and he is not Harry's guardian or father) and they would likely have a much more maturing effect. I do believe that if Harry mingled with veterans of the armed forces and not at seedier clubs, he would have more healthy confidence and would meet nice types that would make good wives/consorts. I honestly think that things would be better if Prince Philip had had the good sense to appreciate the fact that actors and actresses are fun, but are often unstable and can be highly 'mental' in ways that can be dangerous. It's an industry loaded with narcissism, but it's also an industry loaded with NPD (narcissistic personality disorders) and people who are heavily borderline psychotic. It's not filled with people you know won't go 'ape' on you.
I kind of 'get it' that there is a ton of glamour in Hollywood, but stuff happens there that I would NOT want to be associated with and it is clear that royals have regrettably embraced narcissism over humility and cheap popularity over accomplishment. Not to mention self-pity and entitlement.
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