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Post by purple1 on Jan 24, 2021 6:14:26 GMT
Diana was someone special and I think it made celebs think that they are the same, but they are not. Diana was just plain special and in her own league. She was secure in ways that celebs have always wanted. I think Diana made a terrible mistake in thinking that she could pull stuff like celebs did (playing games with the press/doing interviews that would expose the innermost goings on in her private life) and that it would not have a bad effect. It always does and it is regrettable that she took a fairly simple minded approach and let celebs and that particular culture 'in,' in ways that were not good. Prince Philip let them in with his decision to reach out to Hollywood, but it made the monarchy vulnerable since fame is fickle and so are fans of entertainers. It made the monarchy subject to the unstable nature of public opinion and focused on popularity instead of accomplishment. If the royals went in the direction of socializing mainly with Nobel Laureates or military veterans outside of court circles, it would be on firmer ground and they would have allies and sources of support from people who are more stable, who are ACTUAL intellectuals, and would be around the type of people who know where the boundaries are. It's not like the Nobel Laureates would be like Elton John, who is still unhealthily fixated on Diana's death (Diana was not his mother and he is not Harry's guardian or father) and they would likely have a much more maturing effect. I do believe that if Harry mingled with veterans of the armed forces and not at seedier clubs, he would have more healthy confidence and would meet nice types that would make good wives/consorts. I honestly think that things would be better if Prince Philip had had the good sense to appreciate the fact that actors and actresses are fun, but are often unstable and can be highly 'mental' in ways that can be dangerous. It's an industry loaded with narcissism, but it's also an industry loaded with NPD (narcissistic personality disorders) and people who are heavily borderline psychotic. It's not filled with people you know won't go 'ape' on you.
I kind of 'get it' that there is a ton of glamour in Hollywood, but stuff happens there that I would NOT want to be associated with and it is clear that royals have regrettably embraced narcissism over humility and cheap popularity over accomplishment. Not to mention self-pity and entitlement.
I agree with you that the royals should focus on those who accomplished a lot and are intelligent. Diana shouldn't have played mind games with the press. It literally killed her  But I will say that since Diana was a special case that in terms of that celeb world she was always the most special person in the room. Can't say the same with the current royals... |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 25, 2021 22:48:09 GMT
Celebs forget their place and think that they have some right to run after certain types. There is Emma Watson with her feminism BS and then there are a great many others who actually think that they have a right to 'protect' someone who isn't theirs to protect. Elton John is a good example. That 'friendship' he thinks he has with the princes is not healthy. Any real connection should have ended with their mother's death, but clearly Elton still prefers to involve himself in their life or he would not have had an invitation. Diana was his buddy, but I wonder if Elton was a healthy influence. I think he didn't help the princes get over their mother's death and it is clear that Elton thinks of himself as more than he should be to the princes. Elton is not a relative and it's not healthy for a much older guy to be fixated on the well being of two now fully grown men who should be more than able to live their own lives and think their own thoughts. It would be better if Elton hadn't been allowed to hold onto two (then) vulnerable princes and I don't think he (Elton) is someone who really knows where grieving ends and obsessing begins. I think Elton and a lot of others ended up developing an unhealthy fixation on Diana and so did the princes at an age where what they are growing up into is critical. Instead of growing out of their grieving, they grew into an unhealthy form of mourning (whatever that was) and ended up never getting out of that state and their thought process became cyclical instead of straightforward and moving forward. A LOT of celebrities lose the ability to think straightforwardly and get seriously messed up. By the time they turned in their early twenties, they should have been growing into the outward world and choosing to live life again and engage the public with the palace handling the press. Not getting mixed up with bad types and partying year in and year out and not realizing that they were terribly off the rails and taking their dynasty with them. I do not think that they are even all that mentally healthy. Royals feel so sorry for themselves all the time and like celebs, they practically order the public to feel sorry for them even when they get it all, they still fixate on the most pointless things to be miserable about. It's not healthy and they do not know how to get out of that mental funk that they choose to be in.
A bit off topic but I was reading articles about the fashion industry like Chanel and how they would fly out their loyal VIP clients to stay at the best hotels and food and visit the Palace of Versailles even the restricted areas. The thing is they aren’t really celebrities. So it makes me wonder what treatment celebs get but also made me think about Diana. She was the worlds most famous princess and looked good in anything. I’ve read many fashion designers wanted her to showcase their designs for their seasons/collection and she sold out everything and made everything iconic! So it made me wonder if those people got that treatment to what extent did Diana get?
Well, when it comes to VIP clients, there are two classes.
1. Off the Grid Set - The set that no one reads about and the set that no one knows exists, except for the members themselves. The set that Diana was born into and it is clear that it is first ladies of various nations, female scions of powerful families, and also, female world leaders who prefer not to advertise their shopping sprees. 2. Celeb Set - The ones we read about all the time and know are rich and we do not always see them living a circumscribed life.
Diana was born into the first set, but with her life, the way she was living life, she was veering into the second and would have been treated accordingly. After Panorama, after a lot of other bad choices, she was definitely being edged out of the way of life that is by nature, conservative, conventional, and fundamentally stable and people prefer to be drama free. Diana had knocked off the lid on that way of life and was never really going to be completely trusted ever again. She was being re categorized as part of the celeb/jet set and if that wasn't something she would like, too bad.
Thing is, that royals these days are so lacking in boundaries that it is clear that they are becoming more and more celebritized and the less seriously that heads of state and politicians and diplomats will take them. William thinks that a good headline is enough to make him on par with actual heads of state (who got REAL educations and also training and proved themselves time and time again) and a lot of other royals like to use the press to bully everyone into giving them all they want.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 26, 2021 2:40:08 GMT
A bit off topic but I was reading articles about the fashion industry like Chanel and how they would fly out their loyal VIP clients to stay at the best hotels and food and visit the Palace of Versailles even the restricted areas. The thing is they aren’t really celebrities. So it makes me wonder what treatment celebs get but also made me think about Diana. She was the worlds most famous princess and looked good in anything. I’ve read many fashion designers wanted her to showcase their designs for their seasons/collection and she sold out everything and made everything iconic! So it made me wonder if those people got that treatment to what extent did Diana get?
Well, when it comes to VIP clients, there are two classes.
1. Off the Grid Set - The set that no one reads about and the set that no one knows exists, except for the members themselves. The set that Diana was born into and it is clear that it is first ladies of various nations, female scions of powerful families, and also, female world leaders who prefer not to advertise their shopping sprees. 2. Celeb Set - The ones we read about all the time and know are rich and we do not always see them living a circumscribed life.
Diana was born into the first set, but with her life, the way she was living life, she was veering into the second and would have been treated accordingly. After Panorama, after a lot of other bad choices, she was definitely being edged out of the way of life that is by nature, conservative, conventional, and fundamentally stable and people prefer to be drama free. Diana had knocked off the lid on that way of life and was never really going to be completely trusted ever again. She was being re categorized as part of the celeb/jet set and if that wasn't something she would like, too bad.
Thing is, that royals these days are so lacking in boundaries that it is clear that they are becoming more and more celebritized and the less seriously that heads of state and politicians and diplomats will take them. William thinks that a good headline is enough to make him on par with actual heads of state (who got REAL educations and also training and proved themselves time and time again) and a lot of other royals like to use the press to bully everyone into giving them all they want.
Wouldn’t you say as a princess Diana was more of the second set before the divorce though?! Since she was the most famous woman? She was the princess of that world. “ Thing is, that royals these days are so lacking in boundaries that it is clear that they are becoming more and more celebritized and the less seriously that heads of state and politicians and diplomats will take them. William thinks that a good headline is enough to make him on par with actual heads of state (who got REAL educations and also training and proved themselves time and time again) and a lot of other royals like to use the press to bully everyone into giving them all they want.” - I agree these royals are just celebrities with titles. I’m sorry but they have NO aura of royalty. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 27, 2021 6:46:45 GMT
The "HRH" title prevented her from being a full member of the second set, as just another 'famous for being famous' type. After losing the "HRH," she lost what was left of her membership in the first category. After she became an ex-consort, she might have moved back into the first category if she had just lived a quieter, more stability oriented life. Yet instead, she moved into the area of a kind of bought and paid for guest and that is horrifically low of someone of her previous stature. I do believe that she really cheapened herself with the antics of notifying the press, then shrieking about her privacy being invaded, plus the guys she was running after. Hasnat was a decent one, but she humiliated him by denying (at first) that they were involved and then ended up saying how she thought it was hilarious that anyone could think that they were a couple. Then there was Will Carling, Oliver Hoare, and then there was someone else, James Gilbey and who knows who else. I do believe that the worst part about much of her life, is that she constantly chose to try to find someone to care for her in ways that were just not realistic if she was to find a decent guy. I do believe that like a lot of actresses, she had trouble seeing that she needed to stop being such an avenging angel and start just being a person. She couldn't drop 'the act' and like a lot of troubled actresses, she didn't know how to pull herself together and stop 'acting.' It was the self destruction that ended her life more than the media ever could.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 28, 2021 20:31:41 GMT
The Royals have celebrities and it’s more obvious nowadays.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 28, 2021 21:50:00 GMT
I kind of understand why though.
Celebs market themselves as the ultimate cool crowd and it is clear that a lot of royals get seduced. It is a clear indicator that they are not at all the sophisticates that they pretend to be. Edward VIII never ran with the Hollywood crowd, he stuck with the society crowd and you never hear of him dating actresses, not even keeping them as official mistresses and it is clear that these recent royals have no sense of decency or class about them. With all the cultural aspects of their country and in their very palaces, they appreciate none of it. Royals have all that hype around them that they are oh so hardworking and self sacrificing and oh so amazing, that they do not understand just how easy they have it. Royals carry a weight that is actually light and none of them actually have to do any actual office work either. These days, royals just dress in couture and wear the jewels and it's not like they actually even have to think critically. I do not believe that they are at all people who know how to function even. So given that kind of mindset, they think their lives are oh so burdensome when it fact they are not. Since the 70's, royal duties are pretty much kissing babies, cutting ribbons, and signing documents that require the royal signature. This is not neuroscience and since they are taken care of by taxpayers, their life is one of the most simple, stable, and straightforward possible. Usually, royals are supposed to go out into the world, take hits, pay dues, and establish their own household and the majority of them do not do that. As a result, they think their protected, privileged lives are constrictive in ways that they are not and it is clear that this is why they do not appreciate where they come from and appreciate all that they could make of themselves if only they drop the bad attitude.
So of course, celebrity culture seems cool and liberating, but it's not. It's highly insecure and highly unstable. I do believe that royals don't see this since they do not know what it is truly like to be insecure and live an uncertain life. There is a reason that after someone has been in that industry for a long time, they are unstable and become possibly self destructive since they literally cannot cope with the uncertain nature. A great many of them literally do not know HOW to function in a stable situation. How many entertainers complain about the industry, but literally refuse to just leave and live a quiet life? They do not because they will usually be unable to learn how to cope with the loss of publicity and instability can be addicting. Like an addict, they need that fix.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 28, 2021 22:08:17 GMT
I kind of understand why though.
Celebs market themselves as the ultimate cool crowd and it is clear that a lot of royals get seduced. It is a clear indicator that they are not at all the sophisticates that they pretend to be. Edward VIII never ran with the Hollywood crowd, he stuck with the society crowd and you never hear of him dating actresses, not even keeping them as official mistresses and it is clear that these recent royals have no sense of decency or class about them. With all the cultural aspects of their country and in their very palaces, they appreciate none of it. Royals have all that hype around them that they are oh so hardworking and self sacrificing and oh so amazing, that they do not understand just how easy they have it. Royals carry a weight that is actually light and none of them actually have to do any actual office work either. These days, royals just dress in couture and wear the jewels and it's not like they actually even have to think critically. I do not believe that they are at all people who know how to function even. So given that kind of mindset, they think their lives are oh so burdensome when it fact they are not. Since the 70's, royal duties are pretty much kissing babies, cutting ribbons, and signing documents that require the royal signature. This is not neuroscience and since they are taken care of by taxpayers, their life is one of the most simple, stable, and straightforward possible. Usually, royals are supposed to go out into the world, take hits, pay dues, and establish their own household and the majority of them do not do that. As a result, they think their protected, privileged lives are constrictive in ways that they are not and it is clear that this is why they do not appreciate where they come from and appreciate all that they could make of themselves if only they drop the bad attitude.
So of course, celebrity culture seems cool and liberating, but it's not. It's highly insecure and highly unstable. I do believe that royals don't see this since they do not know what it is truly like to be insecure and live an uncertain life. There is a reason that after someone has been in that industry for a long time, they are unstable and become possibly self destructive since they literally cannot cope with the uncertain nature. A great many of them literally do not know HOW to function in a stable situation. How many entertainers complain about the industry, but literally refuse to just leave and live a quiet life? They do not because they will usually be unable to learn how to cope with the loss of publicity and instability can be addicting. Like an addict, they need that fix.
I prefer the clear distinction of royalty and celebrity and the fact that the British Royals are playing celebs or wanting to because they need to be relevant shows how irrelevant they are becoming. I want a princess as a role model like Diana was with AIDS or Leprosy. Celeb culture in the US is dying anyways. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 28, 2021 22:55:01 GMT
You're right. Celeb culture is dying and regrettably royals hitched up with celebrity culture rather than actual culture that actually lasts. Royals dress to market themselves, they do not accomplish and then choose to dress well, they choose to drift and lead pointless lives and complain about not being taken seriously. They do not really do what the politicians do and that is go to school and get a practical education in practical things, and then run with a good crowd and marry someone who has nothing to  and then have kids and make sure the kids are well raised as well. It's not (and never will be) the same as going half-assed throughout the formative years of your life and whining about not being taken seriously. No one takes a celeb seriously on affairs of state and it is because celebs do not get much education or practical training and many of them have HUGE demons or bad news secrets that they have to keep. Royals these days are the same. Royals get art degrees in their early twenties and the most recent generations have been spending their formative years partying at second rate clubs and dating/marrying second rate women. So really, it's no wonder that they've all gone down in a lot of areas of respect. Diana was someone who came from a first rate family and was first rate, but really also added her own stamp in the area that she cared about the most, that being AIDS and landmines and leprosy. But she did her duty as well, adhering to protocol and etiquette and up until Panorama, NEVER challenged anyone in areas that counted. It is clear that she was combining old school adherence to duty to country and combined breaking new ground and was a complete paragon up until the Andrew Morton book/Panorama. She combined the two skillfully and with classy panache and aside from her games with the press, she really did a fantastic job handling her own public persona.
Royals these days are not trained or required to abide by any boundaries and it is clear that it has done damage. The women who are future Queens are complete jokes and it is clear that Mette-Marit is a waste of position and the others are little better.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 29, 2021 14:41:18 GMT
You're right. Celeb culture is dying and regrettably royals hitched up with celebrity culture rather than actual culture that actually lasts. Royals dress to market themselves, they do not accomplish and then choose to dress well, they choose to drift and lead pointless lives and complain about not being taken seriously. They do not really do what the politicians do and that is go to school and get a practical education in practical things, and then run with a good crowd and marry someone who has nothing to and then have kids and make sure the kids are well raised as well. It's not (and never will be) the same as going half-assed throughout the formative years of your life and whining about not being taken seriously. No one takes a celeb seriously on affairs of state and it is because celebs do not get much education or practical training and many of them have HUGE demons or bad news secrets that they have to keep. Royals these days are the same. Royals get art degrees in their early twenties and the most recent generations have been spending their formative years partying at second rate clubs and dating/marrying second rate women. So really, it's no wonder that they've all gone down in a lot of areas of respect. Diana was someone who came from a first rate family and was first rate, but really also added her own stamp in the area that she cared about the most, that being AIDS and landmines and leprosy. But she did her duty as well, adhering to protocol and etiquette and up until Panorama, NEVER challenged anyone in areas that counted. It is clear that she was combining old school adherence to duty to country and combined breaking new ground and was a complete paragon up until the Andrew Morton book/Panorama. She combined the two skillfully and with classy panache and aside from her games with the press, she really did a fantastic job handling her own public persona.
Royals these days are not trained or required to abide by any boundaries and it is clear that it has done damage. The women who are future Queens are complete jokes and it is clear that Mette-Marit is a waste of position and the others are little better.
Tbh some people don’t need to have an education. Many are just really smart but even I have problems with the education system. But as I’m getting older I see no point of these Royals. There’s no difference between them and celebs. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 29, 2021 17:01:13 GMT
Royals these days treat university as a social ritual and they really do not belong there, never really will. University is preparation for a profession and it is clear that none of these royals will ever really have a conventional profession. Uni years should be spent settling into certain routines and getting the right kind of education, not playing around at being poor or pretending that they NEED to be there to get any kind of living made.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 29, 2021 17:51:53 GMT
Royals these days treat university as a social ritual and they really do not belong there, never really will. University is preparation for a profession and it is clear that none of these royals will ever really have a conventional profession. Uni years should be spent settling into certain routines and getting the right kind of education, not playing around at being poor or pretending that they NEED to be there to get any kind of living made. That’s true. They have the resources to get educated to the highest agree but most don’t care and never will because they rely solely on their status/titles with each passing day doesn’t have the same impact and influence it did once ago. Like I’ve read that the Spanish monarchy is in danger of going on its way out because the public don’t care for them, Denmark as well, if it wasn’t for Victoria the Swedes wouldn’t have tolerated the monarchy any longer, idk much about the Netherlands. Lastly the BRF don’t have a Diana and the last one who had star power they drove him away. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 30, 2021 2:45:58 GMT
You know, King Felipe looks horribly aged and unhappy at times and to be honest, I wonder if he regrets going against his family and genuine friends who might have thought that Letizia was in fact unsuitable. I do not think she is and I dislike how consorts these days want to do 'regular mom' stuff despite the reality of their station. That would be like the First Lady of the US doing the soccer mom run, despite the reality of the situation. These women run after these princes, fight to get to marry them, and then disparage the very way of life that these men were raised up in. They are there to fit on, not the other way around. Just like entertainers who pursue fame, work hard for it, then make it, and then look down on 'the grind' that they are required to do, as if they never knew what they were getting themselves in for.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 30, 2021 2:54:29 GMT
You know, King Felipe looks horribly aged and unhappy at times and to be honest, I wonder if he regrets going against his family and genuine friends who might have thought that Letizia was in fact unsuitable. I do not think she is and I dislike how consorts these days want to do 'regular mom' stuff despite the reality of their station. That would be like the First Lady of the US doing the soccer mom run, despite the reality of the situation. These women run after these princes, fight to get to marry them, and then disparage the very way of life that these men were raised up in. They are there to fit on, not the other way around. Just like entertainers who pursue fame, work hard for it, then make it, and then look down on 'the grind' that they are required to do, as if they never knew what they were getting themselves in for. I have to disagree. Felipe is in love with Letizia and she’s done a great job at being Queen. Just unfortunate that the Spanish public don’t care for the monarchy and it doesn’t help that Felipe’s father is troublesome. What do you think about the Monaco family? They seem way too much like celebs than royalty. Like I’ve read they get free Chanel, Dior, travel Ect... Charlotte is the newest Chanel ambassador(status symbol right?) and to think Grace Kelly who was an actress turn princess had more air of a regal princess than her kids and grandkids.... |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 30, 2021 14:29:24 GMT
Grace was the epitome of the ideal princess because of her looks, not her actions. If she had not been able to fit the stereotype (blonde, affluent upbringing, skilled at marketing herself as a genuine lady) she would have been derided, like Prince Charles has been derided because he wasn't the media's idea of what a prince should look like. It is clear that much of the 'idea' of royalty is in fact a toxic perspective mainly since despite all his hard work and efforts to really help the troubled youth of the UK, Charles is still crucified for not being the media's idea of what a prince should look like, or be. The biggest problem with modern royalty is that they worry too much about the media and not the people that they are supposed to be focusing on. It is clear that the issue (at least to me) is that the media culture is all about rebellion and about giving the middle finger to convention, but thing is, that royalty is all about convention and the recent generation seem to think that it's okay to flout protocol/etiquette and skip duties or appearances and that the establishment will always be there, so there is no need to make any discernible effort and that the courtiers/staff/politicians will always be there to be happy to clean up their messes. William is the perfect example of this. He literally gives the double finger to the press/public throughout his twenties, but each time the press moves on to someone else (like Harry/Meg), he suddenly wants attention that he previously eschewed. He is completely unstable in that respect and it is clear that he thinks that his role is one big joke and that all of this is just one big game. William seems to think that everything will always be there and that the courtiers will be endlessly loyal and that no one will ever think of him as anything other than wonderful. As if it's the duty of the world to wait around for him.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 30, 2021 15:24:02 GMT
Grace was the epitome of the ideal princess because of her looks, not her actions. If she had not been able to fit the stereotype (blonde, affluent upbringing, skilled at marketing herself as a genuine lady) she would have been derided, like Prince Charles has been derided because he wasn't the media's idea of what a prince should look like. It is clear that much of the 'idea' of royalty is in fact a toxic perspective mainly since despite all his hard work and efforts to really help the troubled youth of the UK, Charles is still crucified for not being the media's idea of what a prince should look like, or be. The biggest problem with modern royalty is that they worry too much about the media and not the people that they are supposed to be focusing on. It is clear that the issue (at least to me) is that the media culture is all about rebellion and about giving the middle finger to convention, but thing is, that royalty is all about convention and the recent generation seem to think that it's okay to flout protocol/etiquette and skip duties or appearances and that the establishment will always be there, so there is no need to make any discernible effort and that the courtiers/staff/politicians will always be there to be happy to clean up their messes. William is the perfect example of this. He literally gives the double finger to the press/public throughout his twenties, but each time the press moves on to someone else (like Harry/Meg), he suddenly wants attention that he previously eschewed. He is completely unstable in that respect and it is clear that he thinks that his role is one big joke and that all of this is just one big game. William seems to think that everything will always be there and that the courtiers will be endlessly loyal and that no one will ever think of him as anything other than wonderful. As if it's the duty of the world to wait around for him.
” The biggest problem with modern royalty is that they worry too much about the media and not the people that they are supposed to be focusing on.” -THIS IS SO TRUE! I agree with this. This is why people have opened their eyes towards the firm Right now. They aren’t doing anything that is service like to the public. But with Grace Kelly although she became a princess by marriage she actually did a lot for her adopted country. Children Christmas parties, orphanages, American Red Cross, ect.... She did more than her children and grandchildren combined! |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 30, 2021 16:40:08 GMT
Monaco was not a huge country and she wasn't exactly someone who had to really dig in. She was also partying among the international set and was someone who was so up herself that when the feminist movement came along, she said she hated it and started strenuously aligning herself with the international breast feeding movement (despite her honorary position as executive member of the board of MGM). She was not doing sackcloth and ashes and it is clear that she wasn't balancing the books or doing the hard work of setting up the decor for the Red Cross Ball. I think her narcissism was damaging to her children and she even made her daughter's own first wedding all about her; she invited a lot of Hollywood people that her daughter could not have possibly known and it is clear that she did terrible damage by moving in with her daughter in Paris and yelling at her because of the tabloid headlines. What kind of healthy mother moves in with her young adult daughter and nags her nonstop? Grace was all about image and perception and she emulated a Victorian value system that was completely at odds with the Mediterranean nature of the people of Monaco.
Prince Charles set a new standard with the Prince's Trust and it is clear that none of the heirs of this most recent generation is interested in doing the same. I mean really, if these heirs did half of what Charles has done, I am sure that they would be better off and would be better people. Imagine of CP Victoria created an organization that promoted the use of civic duty in more substantial areas than just voter drives? Or if Crown Prince Frederick let business students in on working on trade deals and enabled students to get experience to get their foot in the door and make some good money? Or if the Dutch King promoted the skilled trades and rewarded those who got the trades with opportunities like deals to work on and have a chance at really making something of themselves? Or if Crown Prince Haakon gave invites to Noble Prize ceremonies to students who are just about to graduate university and kind of needed a social boost to give them an extra edge? Or if Crown Prince Haakon worked hard to make sure that Nobel Laureates would stay in Norway and teach students their area of specialization? That would be amazing and would boost the education system in that nation big time.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 30, 2021 18:36:56 GMT
Monaco was not a huge country and she wasn't exactly someone who had to really dig in. She was also partying among the international set and was someone who was so up herself that when the feminist movement came along, she said she hated it and started strenuously aligning herself with the international breast feeding movement (despite her honorary position as executive member of the board of MGM). She was not doing sackcloth and ashes and it is clear that she wasn't balancing the books or doing the hard work of setting up the decor for the Red Cross Ball. I think her narcissism was damaging to her children and she even made her daughter's own first wedding all about her; she invited a lot of Hollywood people that her daughter could not have possibly known and it is clear that she did terrible damage by moving in with her daughter in Paris and yelling at her because of the tabloid headlines. What kind of healthy mother moves in with her young adult daughter and nags her nonstop? Grace was all about image and perception and she emulated a Victorian value system that was completely at odds with the Mediterranean nature of the people of Monaco.
Prince Charles set a new standard with the Prince's Trust and it is clear that none of the heirs of this most recent generation is interested in doing the same. I mean really, if these heirs did half of what Charles has done, I am sure that they would be better off and would be better people. Imagine of CP Victoria created an organization that promoted the use of civic duty in more substantial areas than just voter drives? Or if Crown Prince Frederick let business students in on working on trade deals and enabled students to get experience to get their foot in the door and make some good money? Or if the Dutch King promoted the skilled trades and rewarded those who got the trades with opportunities like deals to work on and have a chance at really making something of themselves? Or if Crown Prince Haakon gave invites to Noble Prize ceremonies to students who are just about to graduate university and kind of needed a social boost to give them an extra edge? Or if Crown Prince Haakon worked hard to make sure that Nobel Laureates would stay in Norway and teach students their area of specialization? That would be amazing and would boost the education system in that nation big time.
Wow I didn’t realize the other heirs aren’t exactly doing much. How about Felipe? Charles has set the standard I agree with that notion. It just seems like these Royals today don’t inspire you. Whether you like Diana or not she has inspired me to do more charity work honestly. She seemed like the only royal besides the Queen who actually made a huge impact all over the world. Oh I assumed Grace was a great princess and asset to Monaco. Still love her wedding dress. It seems to me that the Monaco family are more celebrities are act like it more. They don’t have the aura of royalty at all. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 31, 2021 16:19:38 GMT
Caroline wrecked the marriage of her 'friend' Chantal to Ernst-August of Hanover and ended up having a daughter and quite honestly, the majority of 'modern' royals are just flimsy riff-raff. It's not like any of them contribute in any meaningful way and tourism isn't enough. The Monaco family are not royals, they are at most, princes and they are certainly just a principality. Charlotte has had a couple kids out of wedlock and to be honest, I am glad that Caroline's kids are not going to rule Monaco. It's not like Caroline knows how to keep her legs together and quite honestly, the entire 'family' is insufferably elitist. I mean really, it is such a slap in the face that they pose on the tiny balconies like they are like the BRF, despite the fact that they really should not be so pretentious.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 31, 2021 16:48:18 GMT
Caroline wrecked the marriage of her 'friend' Chantal to Ernst-August of Hanover and ended up having a daughter and quite honestly, the majority of 'modern' royals are just flimsy riff-raff. It's not like any of them contribute in any meaningful way and tourism isn't enough. The Monaco family are not royals, they are at most, princes and they are certainly just a principality. Charlotte has had a couple kids out of wedlock and to be honest, I am glad that Caroline's kids are not going to rule Monaco. It's not like Caroline knows how to keep her legs together and quite honestly, the entire 'family' is insufferably elitist. I mean really, it is such a slap in the face that they pose on the tiny balconies like they are like the BRF, despite the fact that they really should not be so pretentious. Like I thought they seem more like celebs playing royalty. They don’t have that air of grace. Not even Diana during her time alive hung out with them as much as the Spanish Royals. I read that they thought Charlotte would be the crown jewel and tbh if she had been Monaco would be very popular right now like how Grace put it on the map. I still think it’s ironic how Grace was more royal and princessy like despite being an actress. Not even during her marriage Royals didn’t attend her wedding but her death all of them attended her funeral so it shows how much she did make an impact in her role. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 31, 2021 21:29:27 GMT
I think the real issue here, is boundaries. Celebrities have always pushed boundaries since a great many of them are unstable and so is that business; in Hollywood, it is all about pushiness and it is clear that many of them sincerely believe that they have a right to decide on not just civil rights or trendy causes, but about affairs of state (something that the Clintons enabled and encouraged) and royals used to keep strictly away from entertainers as their companions and yet again, it happened more and more with each successive generation. Thing is, that the more royals go outside of their set boundaries/conservative circle, the more vulnerable they are. Royals these days can barely think critically, much less think cleverly enough to outfox someone who is manipulating them and trying to get them down the aisle or into bed. Diana hung out with Elton John, who sincerely believes he is a kind of surrogate guardian of the princes and he still blames the press for Diana's death, despite the fact that there were far more serious issues at stake in regards to what went down, not just the press (that Diana toyed with and egged on at times). There is no real ability to meld since entertainers do not have the kind of stable mindset or sense of 'place' and it is clear that royals cannot really handle the chaotic lives of celebrities. If I lived the life of an entertainer, with all that chaos and drama, I would literally be breaking down and crying nonstop because there would be no way that I would be able to function in it.
For lack of a better way of putting it, look at Harry. He went from a solid place in this world to being part of Meg's helter/skelter lifestyle and it is clear that it is draining and very tiring for him. There is also the fact that Meg hung aorund shady types during the years before she met Harry and it is clear that Meg hasn't settled down and most likely never will. She is too much like a vagabond and it is clear that she has no real stable anchor in her personality. I honestly think Harry is going to have a breakdown and the BRF will have to extract Harry from that mess before long. He will not be able to continue to cope with the drama or the instability or Meg's out of control temperament.
In my honest view, it has become endemic that entertainers increasingly sincerely believe that they have a right to push their way into the political social scene and a lot of actors are starting to prey on types that are outside of the Hollywood mess and are trying to get into the more established set that yes, includes royalty. We now have actors like George Clooney who hype up marrying a junior barrister and the way he went on during his engagement, you would think that she was someone who was winner of multiple Nobel Prizes and such. I honestly think that this is a kind of serious issue mainly since a lot of celebrities can be very, very out of line and some really do not know HOW to stop pushing. There is a reason that they are not socially accepted by more stable people and it is clear that there has been a SERIOUS problem with how entertainers get humored by politicians. Look at how Bono Vox was pushing himself to be present at the signing of treaties and demanding to meet with heads of state. Then there was the time he bullied his way onto the cover of TIME Magazine (back when that publication was still credible) and then there are the Democrats who just recently turned a solemn inaugural ceremony into a JLO/Lady GAGA fest crapfest. JLO actually wore a French designer to an American swearing-in ceremony. |
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tale BS.
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