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Post by kueifei on Feb 18, 2021 0:11:56 GMT
I think 'bringing awareness' is useless since with the internet anyone can look anything up. They should just train as social workers and emulate Prince Charles who has done so much for his people. Why didn't Frederick to anything like that in his twenties? There is no reason that they shouldn't have trained as social workers or gotten real qualifications and ended up spending hours in schools giving tutoring sessions, or helping people sort their finances out, or justifying taxpayer money by training hard as a diplomat and living at embassies and doing either the actual work of an actual ambassador or being a kind of adjunct who can make the life of the ambassadors easier and more stable. The McMansion version of royal life is unsustainable and they need to find a niche and fill it and be of good help to their people. Actual help, not just appearances wrapped in couture. The 'work' is laughably light and is not half the grind it is hyped. If these crown princes had gotten trades in education they could have spent their time doing tutoring or doing lobbying on behalf of various schools and keeping up with making sure that the needs of students and staff were met. This is something that would be of actual valuable use and I am certain that it would build huge respect, goodwill, and it would certainly end up being just the way for them to maintain a good connection.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 18, 2021 1:50:58 GMT
I think 'bringing awareness' is useless since with the internet anyone can look anything up. They should just train as social workers and emulate Prince Charles who has done so much for his people. Why didn't Frederick to anything like that in his twenties? There is no reason that they shouldn't have trained as social workers or gotten real qualifications and ended up spending hours in schools giving tutoring sessions, or helping people sort their finances out, or justifying taxpayer money by training hard as a diplomat and living at embassies and doing either the actual work of an actual ambassador or being a kind of adjunct who can make the life of the ambassadors easier and more stable. The McMansion version of royal life is unsustainable and they need to find a niche and fill it and be of good help to their people. Actual help, not just appearances wrapped in couture. The 'work' is laughably light and is not half the grind it is hyped. If these crown princes had gotten trades in education they could have spent their time doing tutoring or doing lobbying on behalf of various schools and keeping up with making sure that the needs of students and staff were met. This is something that would be of actual valuable use and I am certain that it would build huge respect, goodwill, and it would certainly end up being just the way for them to maintain a good connection. Sadly none of them want to do that. It’s easier just to do a visit and wear couture for the ladies and do ambassador roles for the men. I respect the heck out of Diana who did a lot more than she was expected too and same with Grace Kelly. I think we are at a day when princesses aren’t really princesses in the sense any longer. I think they think all these business meetings and starting initiatives and foundations help but I think what would help is the human touch and helping those who are truly suffering since they have the platform to do so and that will bring in the respect. There’s nothing bad with wearing couture but only if you put in the work. Also the crown princes they should really do more. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 18, 2021 1:56:01 GMT
This is interesting about Princess Grace:
“ One of the very first changes that the Princess Grace had brought about to the principality of Monaco was the Tir aux Pigeons; Grace hand found it barbaric and opted to halt the practice, the Prince agreed, thus the principality’s famous pigeon shoot was ended for good.
By May 1958 the Red Cross—Monaco’s masthead charity, a signal mark of honor, gave way to a new president: the Princess Grace. Prince Rainier had transferred the presidency to his wife and it was during her term that Monaco’s Red Cross became, proportionally, one of the most generous in the world: sending relief to the victims of wars and natural disasters from Peru to Pakistan.
Early in the sixties, Grace became the honorary president (and one of its active founder members) of AMADE, l’Association Mondiale des Amis de l’Enfrance—the World Association of Friends of Children. Targeting underdeveloped countries, AMADE lobbied for medicine and education (in richer societies it campaigned against such problems as violence on TV).”
“ Princess Grace took Monaco’s cultural traditions seriously. She started an annual ballet festival to recapture the spirit of Diaghilev and the Ballets Russes; and when it came to architecture she was committed—she felt committed to the cluster of époque buildings on the hill of Monte Carlo, and at the height of the principality’s redevelopment, she felt committed to the Hermitage Hotel; she successfully thwarted an attempt to demolish the establishment.
Grace Kelly had made the little principality of Monaco a legitimate contender, a member of the world’s family of nations in a way that it had never been before. “The best ambassador I have is Grace.” Rainier once praised.
Grace Kelly is more than just an actress or a pretty princess—she fought for what she believed in, often putting others before her. Princess Grace had left a legacy—through her movies and through her philanthropy.
Source: Lacey, Robert. “Grace”. September 1994.”
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Post by kueifei on Feb 18, 2021 4:22:18 GMT
She still reacted against feminism; despite her lofty charitable achievements, she was virulently against the feminist movement and aligned herself with the breast feeding organization and despite her vaunted conservatism, was a member of the executive board of MGM.
"But she said some very conservative things about women’s role in society and family, such as:
Emancipation of women has made them lose their mystery.14
And:
Women’s natural role is to be a pillar of the family.15"
I disagree that she would have been a proud feminist since she gave her career up for the security of a ring and title. She was one of the biggest tarts in that industry and refused to own it and take responsibility. She was afraid of the wider world in a way that many of her types are, the socially aspirational and oddly inverted against values that got her where she ended up. If she had not made herself a career as an actress, she would have been the wife of a regular guy who wasn't socially prominent, much less any kind of genuine prince.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 18, 2021 5:17:32 GMT
She still reacted against feminism; despite her lofty charitable achievements, she was virulently against the feminist movement and aligned herself with the breast feeding organization and despite her vaunted conservatism, was a member of the executive board of MGM.
"But she said some very conservative things about women’s role in society and family, such as:
Emancipation of women has made them lose their mystery.14
And:
Women’s natural role is to be a pillar of the family.15"
I disagree that she would have been a proud feminist since she gave her career up for the security of a ring and title. She was one of the biggest tarts in that industry and refused to own it and take responsibility. She was afraid of the wider world in a way that many of her types are, the socially aspirational and oddly inverted against values that got her where she ended up. If she had not made herself a career as an actress, she would have been the wife of a regular guy who wasn't socially prominent, much less any kind of genuine prince.
Then she regretted leaving her lifestyle behind and was severely unhappy. Oh I didn’t know she was against the feminist movement. Maybe it was her Catholicism that made her that way who knows. But I read it and she’s one of the few royals that gets my respect with the amount of great work she put into the title of being a princess and for her country and she helped a lot esp with orphans which I find sweet. If more royals today focused on those things instead of trying to be a global leader/power they would get the respect and attention they crave. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 18, 2021 18:58:26 GMT
Then she regretted leaving her lifestyle behind and was severely unhappy.
I think Grace had problems accepting life as it was, not life as she wanted it to be. Like a LOT of entertainers, she did not cope well when the spotlight was not on her, or when she was not the center of everyone and everything. With royals, they are supposed to be raised with the reality that when it comes to certain things or events, this is not supposed to be about THEM, it is about the event or the person being honored. A lot of celebs do not know how to conform or behave at certain events and they literally do NOT KNOW how to accept that there are times when it is not about them. In my view, the ideal is Jackie O.; she knew that she was not President of the US, she was not supposed to be the center of everything, and she was not at all someone who NEEDED to be central focus at all/any given times. She was not at all someone who was healthily fixated on the spotlight. Grace was a performer, not a person in the sense that she just 'got on' with things. She kind of needed to be in the press or be the center of attention at almost all times. Rainier didn't marry Grace for prestige, he married her for press attention and that caused no end to problems since both were airheads about how to responsibly handle PR. Like most celebs, she could not handle it if someone else was the real main attraction and even after years of experience, she did not give Lady Diana Spencer good advice, just a silly line about 'how it'll only get worse.' She was not the deep thinker or fount of wisdom and she was not special, just superficial. She had problems not being number one and I believe it did mess up her marriage.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 18, 2021 20:08:18 GMT
Then she regretted leaving her lifestyle behind and was severely unhappy.
I think Grace had problems accepting life as it was, not life as she wanted it to be. Like a LOT of entertainers, she did not cope well when the spotlight was not on her, or when she was not the center of everyone and everything. With royals, they are supposed to be raised with the reality that when it comes to certain things or events, this is not supposed to be about THEM, it is about the event or the person being honored. A lot of celebs do not know how to conform or behave at certain events and they literally do NOT KNOW how to accept that there are times when it is not about them. In my view, the ideal is Jackie O.; she knew that she was not President of the US, she was not supposed to be the center of everything, and she was not at all someone who NEEDED to be central focus at all/any given times. She was not at all someone who was healthily fixated on the spotlight. Grace was a performer, not a person in the sense that she just 'got on' with things. She kind of needed to be in the press or be the center of attention at almost all times. Rainier didn't marry Grace for prestige, he married her for press attention and that caused no end to problems since both were airheads about how to responsibly handle PR. Like most celebs, she could not handle it if someone else was the real main attraction and even after years of experience, she did not give Lady Diana Spencer good advice, just a silly line about 'how it'll only get worse.' She was not the deep thinker or fount of wisdom and she was not special, just superficial. She had problems not being number one and I believe it did mess up her marriage.
Oh you think Grace felt the need to always be in the spotlight then? Seems to me the media and the adoring public followed her every move and wanted to read about her and her family in glossy magazines. Diana was also addicted to the spotlight too(when it suited her). Do you agree both she and Diana are still The most famous and loved princesses of all time? The amount of flowers the people gave the both of them with a simple walk about may not mean much but compared to other princesses that’s amazing! Majority of celebs annoyed me! Like honestly I get they are used to the attention but like you said there is a time and a place for it. A bunch of egos and royals have adopted that which is ironic because when you compare the both of them, royalty will always have “fame”. Jackie O was a great asset and you are right she didn’t have to be in the spotlight 24/7 and look at her she was still in people’s minds! I think Audrey Hepburn would have made a fine princess what do you think? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 18, 2021 21:47:53 GMT
Oh you think Grace felt the need to always be in the spotlight then? Seems to me the media and the adoring public followed her every move and wanted to read about her and her family in glossy magazines. Diana was also addicted to the spotlight too(when it suited her).
I think Grace and Rainier both didn't know how to stop telling the press every little thing and let's be honest, it's not like Grace was living a non-jet set life. She partied in Persepolis, did that poetry reading thing, and it's not like she really had any actual comprehension that actions have consequences. As for Diana, that was something else entirely, but at the same time, Diana did call up the press and speak face to face with columnists and journalists.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 18, 2021 22:08:35 GMT
Oh you think Grace felt the need to always be in the spotlight then? Seems to me the media and the adoring public followed her every move and wanted to read about her and her family in glossy magazines. Diana was also addicted to the spotlight too(when it suited her).
I think Grace and Rainier both didn't know how to stop telling the press every little thing and let's be honest, it's not like Grace was living a non-jet set life. She partied in Persepolis, did that poetry reading thing, and it's not like she really had any actual comprehension that actions have consequences. As for Diana, that was something else entirely, but at the same time, Diana did call up the press and speak face to face with columnists and journalists.
This is a sad case of when the media and public want more of you, you tend to go overboard with sharing your life. I’m glad Diana called out the disgusting firm. Grace did many interviews which I never understood. But both she and Diana are still the most beloved princesses and often copied by other princesses though why is that? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 19, 2021 5:20:26 GMT
I didn't mention this before, but I was watching a clip of "Assassination of Gianni Versace" and I re-watched clips of Versace's funeral and I was kind of irritated at how Elton was coming apart and then for some demented reason, just HAD to perform the Lord's Prayer with Sting. Then at Diana's funeral he just HAD to perform "Candle In The Wind" and I find it disconcerting how Elton couldn't just chill and mourn, he just HAD to do some kind of performance art. I just find it undignified and I find it irritating that while the Versace family was shattered. Then while the princes had just finished an arduous walk behind the coffin of their mother in front of millions around the world, Elton just HAS to perform a song that he incidentally sells like crazy afterwards. It's horrific how Elton can't just mourn with a modicum of dignity. You would think that he would hold it together for the sake of the Versace family, or for the sake of the princes, or Diana's other relatives. This isn't supposed to be about Elton or his grief. Celebs (and these days royals) really prefer to showboat their grief and make much of THEIR pain and it is irritating since I prefer a more meditative approach myself.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 13:12:48 GMT
I didn't mention this before, but I was watching a clip of "Assassination of Gianni Versace" and I re-watched clips of Versace's funeral and I was kind of irritated at how Elton was coming apart and then for some demented reason, just HAD to perform the Lord's Prayer with Sting. Then at Diana's funeral he just HAD to perform "Candle In The Wind" and I find it disconcerting how Elton couldn't just chill and mourn, he just HAD to do some kind of performance art. I just find it undignified and I find it irritating that while the Versace family was shattered. Then while the princes had just finished an arduous walk behind the coffin of their mother in front of millions around the world, Elton just HAS to perform a song that he incidentally sells like crazy afterwards. It's horrific how Elton can't just mourn with a modicum of dignity. You would think that he would hold it together for the sake of the Versace family, or for the sake of the princes, or Diana's other relatives. This isn't supposed to be about Elton or his grief. Celebs (and these days royals) really prefer to showboat their grief and make much of THEIR pain and it is irritating since I prefer a more meditative approach myself. . Elton seems like an attention seeker and it’s annoying but you have to blame the royals for that since they probably asked him to perform. Yes these celebrities today OVERSHARE! What happened to not being overexposed? He really does use his friendship with Diana in an over the top way. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 13:13:34 GMT
Random but do you think the reason why Grace and Diana received many flowers from people on Royal walkabouts and visiting other countries showed how much the people had affection for them?
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Post by india on Feb 19, 2021 13:28:20 GMT
^ Of Course
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 15:16:40 GMT
Makes sense because when I compare them to other princesses even the amount of flowers they received was more than the princesses of today. Why is that? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 19, 2021 16:01:06 GMT
I didn't mention this before, but I was watching a clip of "Assassination of Gianni Versace" and I re-watched clips of Versace's funeral and I was kind of irritated at how Elton was coming apart and then for some demented reason, just HAD to perform the Lord's Prayer with Sting. Then at Diana's funeral he just HAD to perform "Candle In The Wind" and I find it disconcerting how Elton couldn't just chill and mourn, he just HAD to do some kind of performance art. I just find it undignified and I find it irritating that while the Versace family was shattered. Then while the princes had just finished an arduous walk behind the coffin of their mother in front of millions around the world, Elton just HAS to perform a song that he incidentally sells like crazy afterwards. It's horrific how Elton can't just mourn with a modicum of dignity. You would think that he would hold it together for the sake of the Versace family, or for the sake of the princes, or Diana's other relatives. This isn't supposed to be about Elton or his grief. Celebs (and these days royals) really prefer to showboat their grief and make much of THEIR pain and it is irritating since I prefer a more meditative approach myself. . Elton seems like an attention seeker and it’s annoying but you have to blame the royals for that since they probably asked him to perform. Yes these celebrities today OVERSHARE! What happened to not being overexposed? He really does use his friendship with Diana in an over the top way.
Diana was not Elton's mother or sister and the aristocracy handle grieving the way they do since it is healthy. They mourn and meditate on the death of the person they have lost, but thing is, that they know they themselves are still alive and need to go on and have a right to go on. There is a process to grieving and in order to remain healthy and sane, one has to move on and begin living a full life and NOT shut down so completely that a person kind of 'drops dead' and ends up self destructing. I think the overwrought explosion of indulging in mourning was way out of line. Despite the press hype, Diana was not everyone's best friend and for the life if me, I have no idea why anyone would camp out overnight in front of someone else's home. Creepy. Second, after a while, a little while, maybe a year or even two, the world should have moved on and NOT burdened William and Harry with some kind of 'legacy' that seemed to mean subsuming their own identity and development, and interests into kind of keeping their mother artificially alive and it isn't healthy.
I think he is really seriously unstable in a way that entertainers often are. Their thought processes are often cyclical and that is why so many self destruct or get into vicious behavior@l cycles that eventually destroy them. Elton still refuses to see that Diana has been dead for nearly thirty years now, she toyed with the press, and she was in a different league than Elton. I also question if whether or not Elton was a good influence and whether or not Elton was kind of part of the deterioration in the quality of her decision-making process later in her life. Elton likely fed her mixed up views and perspectives and I question why a man decades older than Harry and William pretend like there is this kind of connection that entitles him to go to their weddings. It ain't healthy. William and Harry should not be mixed up with a man who is clearly seriously conflicted about someone who has been dead for nearly thirty years and it has NOT been healthy for either prince to wallow in the (now self-inflicted) misery that Elton wallows in still.
William was pressured into a celebrity niche and quite honestly, it has not been good for him at all.
After her death, because he looked like his mother, he was pressured to be what certain demented segments of the public thought he should be, what they thought his mother wanted, despite the fact that William isn't his mother and likely wanted to go out and live a life without having to keep his self destructive mother alive. He was pressured to NOT be a prince who preferred his own set and his own life, he was pressured to do things that his mother used to do and he was pressured to live out some psychotic delusion, that he didn't want to be a prince, that he was someone that he wasn't (egalitarian). He was pressured to go to uni (despite not likely being equipped to do it) and be what everyone thought a 'real' prince should be. Granted, his life in London or in the countryside was what he wanted, but go figure, there was that pressure to leave and be educated and live in a way that really was not good for him.
Then there was pressure to date and marry someone from a background that he never truly fits in and Kate never truly fit into his. Regrettably, right when he was supposed to emerge in his own right, Kate latched on and started up the media drama that should have ended with his mother's death and his life was derailed into celebrity style speculation. In all frankness, this celebrity culture has really and truly messed up William and Harry's life and it is NOT healthy to wallow in being something that other people think a dead woman would want. Diana has been dead for decades now and quite honestly, I resent that a lot of people think they KNOW William and Harry, despite the fact that they only see them on the television or brief appearances.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 16:06:58 GMT
Yeah I think it’s just Elton wanting to say to the world diana was my close friend and just doesn’t let go of being close to the royals or knows them. It’s really embarrassing.
William was pushed into the celebrity world because after diana the monarchy needed star power to keep the interests going. But he has been spoiled all his life and not been held accountable. He wants to be front and center and say to the world I am going to be king even though we are past the whole being king and by birth is overrated if you don’t put in the work.
Do you think the reason why Diana and Grace are still memorable is they mixed star power and royalty into one?
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Post by india on Feb 19, 2021 17:43:14 GMT
Makes sense because when I compare them to other princesses even the amount of flowers they received was more than the princesses of today. Why is that? Both Diana and Grace were beautiful and had that star quality most royals do not in any way have. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 18:05:34 GMT
Makes sense because when I compare them to other princesses even the amount of flowers they received was more than the princesses of today. Why is that? Both Diana and Grace were beautiful and had that star quality most royals do not in any way have. Thanks India for the responses! I agree with you it was the star quality they both had that really transcended the idea/role of being a princess in my opinion. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 19, 2021 18:16:17 GMT
I think it was the star quality that wrecked their lives. It was not properly channeled and was not something either knew how to responsibly handle. I think it wasn't fame that was their drug, it was drama and some kind of tragical temperament that neither was willing to grow out of. After a while, an adult HAS to grow out of perpetual self pity. I often wonder, what did Diana have to mourn about? What did Grace have to mourn about? After being cheated on, Diana started having her own numerous affairs and after the divorce, she herself messing with Will Carling, a married man and then Oliver Hoare who himself was a married man. The Carling marriage was wrecked and the Hoare marriage survived since Oliver was never going to leave his rich French wife for Diana (or anyone else). As far as I know, Rainier might have had a fling or two, but Grace was the one blowing through beds while whining about her lot in life (which had nothing to do with the reality of her hyper-privileged life) and there is no reason that Diana had all that much to whine about either. it's the self pity aspect. You hear about celebs whining about press, but for some reason the dolts do not just choose to stay and NOT complain or leave and live an anonymous life.
Royals are supposed to be making choices and take responsibility for the consequences and KNOW that they have the ability to make choices. Celebs like to believe all sorts of whimsical things that have nothing to do with the reality of much of anything.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 19, 2021 18:27:57 GMT
So in their personal lives they behaved much like celebrities with the constant whining and being hypocrites whereas their public image was perfect princess. Yep that happens.
So say a new princess arrives and has that explosive star quality, what do you think she should handle it because she would be in that media gaze and the public will follow her every move and she will be the next “ideal” princess.
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton