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Post by kueifei on Feb 16, 2021 3:44:33 GMT
If she had lived, if she had still remained princess consort neither would have been as indulged as they were. Neither would have been able to get away with slacking since there wouldn't be this huge amount of pity. If William had been given an ultimatum, or more discipline, he would not have married Kate, or dated her since his life would have been on a real track and he would have been kept on it. Meg would not have had a chance since Harry would NOT have been indulged as much as he was. He would have dated/married someone like Cressida or even Chelsy and I am certain that he would have ended up in less than a drama filled mess. Neither were NEVER able to effectively steer their own lives and neither really will ever be able to. Royals don't ask to be born into where they are, but it is clear that they are where they are and they can't see what more astute courtiers can. Celebs, after a while, do become blinkered and regrettably lose touch and lose the ability to see people for what and who they are. I do find it kind of embittering at seeing what celeb culture has done to royal life. As if elderly monarchs are SUPPOSED to just abdicate since they are not the darlings of PEOPLE magazine and then the horrific damage done to Charles during the 90's. As if his hard work is supposed to mean NOTHING. As if his decades as Prince of Wales, doing a full schedule since childhood, means nothing and is nothing; as if his work with the Prince's Trust no longer matters since he was caught out doinking a mistress. Diana used her celebrity and popularity against Charles in a way that is quite frankly unforgivable and she NEVER should have condemned Charles for adultery when she was doinking various people like the riding instructor and then various men who were in other ways supposed to be off limits. Hoare was married, Carling was newly married, and Fayed was engaged to Kelly Fisher. Not being photogenic is no excuse to be subjected to either rejection or derision. Diana should have used her celebrity to promote the charities of her husband, her sister-in-law, and could have maintained a great relationship with Charles via her contribution that would have been HUGELY beneficial and built a REALLY great bond that could have led to a great marriage. Instead she used it for her own self glorification and then used it as a weapon against the very family that enabled her to be a star that she became.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 16, 2021 3:45:02 GMT
I’m an admirer of Liechtenstein! They are unknown and I’m fascinated about the culture! I knew they were descended from the Austrian- Hapsburg line not from France but it makes total sense since every European royal house is related to each other. Since my family is from Africa I would like to know if I’m related somehow. I do know my mother ancestry consists of French, German and English blood so.... My dream is to have a princess who isn’t a celebrity but a freaking princess and acts like one and I wouldn’t mind it coming from Liechtenstein only because it would be great to see the country be put on the map and the popularity of it and possibly having a role in France and doing charity work since my dream is to always see a French princess lol With your mother having French/German/English ancestry, and your family being from Africa (there are most certainly royal links there, too!) , I have no doubt you could find some very interesting links! Noble or not, our ancestors helped make us who were are today. There are a lot of good genealogical sites out there. I started with ancestry and of course, branched out to other ones, too, for additional information, etc. I never knew until today to look for the RF of L, but I learned something today, thanks to you. Maybe if you are interested, we can get Lichtenstein RF thread going in either old/current royalty. Yeah I’m starting to get into my ancestry. It’s fascinating! That would be great! I’m currently looking into them and it’s amazing they are basically an absolute monarchy but are democratic and the public like the Prince of Liechtenstein. It’s a very beautiful country and has a very fairytale medieval allure to the country. If it were to be possible would you have liked a modern French Princess in the 21st century? |
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Post by Admin on Feb 16, 2021 4:22:03 GMT
With your mother having French/German/English ancestry, and your family being from Africa (there are most certainly royal links there, too!) , I have no doubt you could find some very interesting links! Noble or not, our ancestors helped make us who were are today. There are a lot of good genealogical sites out there. I started with ancestry and of course, branched out to other ones, too, for additional information, etc. I never knew until today to look for the RF of L, but I learned something today, thanks to you. Maybe if you are interested, we can get Lichtenstein RF thread going in either old/current royalty. Yeah I’m starting to get into my ancestry. It’s fascinating! That would be great! I’m currently looking into them and it’s amazing they are basically an absolute monarchy but are democratic and the public like the Prince of Liechtenstein. It’s a very beautiful country and has a very fairytale medieval allure to the country. If it were to be possible would you have liked a modern French Princess in the 21st century? Please keep us informed about your findings! I will see about starting something (thread), if somebody else doesn't first. Here's a french princess (of sorts), daughter of the late Count of Paris. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri,_Count_of_Paris_(1933%E2%80%932019) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Marie_of_Liechtenstein_(b._1959)Wow, and a Princess of Liechtenstein, too. Small world. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 16, 2021 4:30:20 GMT
Yeah I’m starting to get into my ancestry. It’s fascinating! That would be great! I’m currently looking into them and it’s amazing they are basically an absolute monarchy but are democratic and the public like the Prince of Liechtenstein. It’s a very beautiful country and has a very fairytale medieval allure to the country. If it were to be possible would you have liked a modern French Princess in the 21st century? Please keep us informed about your findings! I will see about starting something (thread), if somebody else doesn't first. Here's a french princess (of sorts), daughter of the late Count of Paris. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri,_Count_of_Paris_(1933%E2%80%932019) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Marie_of_Liechtenstein_(b._1959)Wow, and a Princess of Liechtenstein, too. Small world. Thank you!!!! Oh wow what a small world! My imagination is real  |
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Post by Admin on Feb 16, 2021 4:58:26 GMT
Thank you!!!! Oh wow what a small world! My imagination is real You're welcome...I like to share what I find. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 16, 2021 14:00:59 GMT
Gone are the days when many royals inspired you in some capacity. Not anymore since the beginning of the 21st century.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 16, 2021 17:09:49 GMT
Royals used to know their place. These days royals keep pushing themselves into everything. I remember seeing a clip where the Czech government was honoring Sir Nicholas Winton and for some reason, HM insisted on coming to the Czech Republic and basically inserting herself into the spotlight. Royals keep insisting on being part of every 'event' even when the attention should be going to someone else. They insist on making speeches at events that are suppose to honor someone else and at the Nobel functions, the Swedish royals sit among themselves, not with the other guests.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 16, 2021 18:14:07 GMT
Royals used to know their place. These days royals keep pushing themselves into everything. I remember seeing a clip where the Czech government was honoring Sir Nicholas Winton and for some reason, HM insisted on coming to the Czech Republic and basically inserting herself into the spotlight. Royals keep insisting on being part of every 'event' even when the attention should be going to someone else. They insist on making speeches at events that are suppose to honor someone else and at the Nobel functions, the Swedish royals sit among themselves, not with the other guests.
I think they are still stuck in the whole “we are royals who have a higher status than everyone else” but we are in the 21st century and if public figures can do it better than them then what’s the point of them and let’s add to the fact that these same royals don’t do enough to put importance in their titles such as helping with the countries culture, humanitarian work. So that’s why their allure and magic and gravitas died during the pandemic in my opinion. I also think that they think because they are royalty that automatically means they raise the prestige of whatever they are doing when that’s not true; well not anymore it isn’t. I love talking to you kueifei! I’ve learn so much from you! Do you think it would be possible if a French princess were to occur without the restoration of the French monarchy? This is all just imagination but so to speak Diana was the People’s Princess and because she put in work as a princess the people didn’t care when she lost her title. She was above it. I think it could be possible if that said princess was loved and a really good one. I could see a royal wedding happening in France like from Liechtenstein since they have roots in France anyways. Anything is possible. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 16, 2021 23:31:04 GMT
I think there already are French royals, but they CHOOSE to keep a low profile and prefer to just get on with their lives and live a full life.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 1:29:42 GMT
I think there already are French royals, but they CHOOSE to keep a low profile and prefer to just get on with their lives and live a full life. Oh darn I would like a highly public figure one. It could happen! I think we’re in a time where we have stopped putting both celebrities and royalty in a pedestal. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2021 2:42:55 GMT
I think royals and celebrities should stop pushing themselves to be above everyone else and just build their own pedestals. Like actual, substantial people do. Royals used to stay in their own specific place as well and it is clear that royals have been having problems staying in their place and out of everyone's way.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 3:26:56 GMT
I think royals and celebrities should stop pushing themselves to be above everyone else and just build their own pedestals. Like actual, substantial people do. Royals used to stay in their own specific place as well and it is clear that royals have been having problems staying in their place and out of everyone's way. I can’t recall but what lane do they stay in before trying to be everywhere? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2021 12:41:15 GMT
Maybe they need to drop the global activism and focus only on their own nations. Without qualifications and training and RESPECT, they have no business demanding to be part of conferences that people who have WORKED HARD to earn the opportunity to be there, be there. They should just STOP pushing themselves and stop treating positions outside of Hollywood roles like a position that should require only looks and marketing to obtain. As for royals, they should STOP trying to create global charity empires and STOP running with trash just because they have money. The reason that no one can really tell much by way of a difference between royals and celebs is because they both really do, sincerely, believe that it should take just good press and marketing to get what they want done, done. It isn't enough that their staff dances to their tune, they want the entire world to be at their beck and call and want to be handed opportunities to make decisions about things that they are not educated and trained for. When George Clooney wanted to make a speech at the UN, the Russians and Chinese hotly objected mainly since they did not believe that an actor had any kind of right today anything to them. Meg might have gotten podium time, but Meg managed to convince Trudeau to let her on there and then of course, that was about pop feminism and I do not think actual ambassadors were there. I am just sick and TIRED of seeing less famous people bypassed and then forced to put up with these idiots grandstanding. You know, if royals kept their houses in order, I am quite certain that they would get more credibility, but they push everyone to feel sorry for them, while at the same time, want respect and the opportunities that come as a result of that respect. I am frustrated at how they keep demanding to have it both ways.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 13:32:23 GMT
Maybe they need to drop the global activism and focus only on their own nations. Without qualifications and training and RESPECT, they have no business demanding to be part of conferences that people who have WORKED HARD to earn the opportunity to be there, be there. They should just STOP pushing themselves and stop treating positions outside of Hollywood roles like a position that should require only looks and marketing to obtain. As for royals, they should STOP trying to create global charity empires and STOP running with trash just because they have money. The reason that no one can really tell much by way of a difference between royals and celebs is because they both really do, sincerely, believe that it should take just good press and marketing to get what they want done, done. It isn't enough that their staff dances to their tune, they want the entire world to be at their beck and call and want to be handed opportunities to make decisions about things that they are not educated and trained for. When George Clooney wanted to make a speech at the UN, the Russians and Chinese hotly objected mainly since they did not believe that an actor had any kind of right today anything to them. Meg might have gotten podium time, but Meg managed to convince Trudeau to let her on there and then of course, that was about pop feminism and I do not think actual ambassadors were there. I am just sick and TIRED of seeing less famous people bypassed and then forced to put up with these idiots grandstanding. You know, if royals kept their houses in order, I am quite certain that they would get more credibility, but they push everyone to feel sorry for them, while at the same time, want respect and the opportunities that come as a result of that respect. I am frustrated at how they keep demanding to have it both ways. “ As for royals, they should STOP trying to create global charity empires and STOP running with trash just because they have money. The reason that no one can really tell much by way of a difference between royals and celebs is because they both really do, sincerely, believe that it should take just good press and marketing to get what they want done, done.” Exactly!!! It reminds me of Audrey Hepburn as we know one of the most famous film stars and she became a UNICEF ambassador but she got so much respect for her role in UNICEF and many of those in leadership roles wanted to work with her. Celebs today are doing too much to help want respect when they don’t have credibility of there own. Royals really need to stop with the whole global projects. It really does nothing IMO. They need to focus on their countries and bring the countries history and culture on the spotlight and help those who are in need. I mean isn’t that what they are supposed to be doing? They think the title automatically gives them the respect yet it really doesn’t and not any longer in the times we are in. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2021 19:43:30 GMT
Thing is, with Diana, is despite her global media coverage, she was not really the player that she (and her fans) thought she was. Her impact was global because of the media, not because of her work history at age nineteen. Remember, most nineteen year olds do not have much by a work history. Diana was famous via her marriage and famous via Charles, not famous or renowned because of her charity record. She was a woman who fit the times as well and as a result, set a very unrealistic standard and unrealistic expectation. This idea of marrying a prince and becoming a global player overnight has to stop and quite frankly, I honestly believe that it has brought nothing but trouble. Princes now are getting out of line and quite honestly, many of them are too stupid to actually realize just who it is they are getting into bed with. A great many of them spend WAY too much time in front of a camera and actually believe that they know more than Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin about leadership. Prince Charles snubbed the former President of China over Tibet and quite honestly, princes have not ability to discern the cheap from the great.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 20:50:23 GMT
Thing is, with Diana, is despite her global media coverage, she was not really the player that she (and her fans) thought she was. Her impact was global because of the media, not because of her work history at age nineteen. Remember, most nineteen year olds do not have much by a work history. Diana was famous via her marriage and famous via Charles, not famous or renowned because of her charity record. She was a woman who fit the times as well and as a result, set a very unrealistic standard and unrealistic expectation. This idea of marrying a prince and becoming a global player overnight has to stop and quite frankly, I honestly believe that it has brought nothing but trouble. Princes now are getting out of line and quite honestly, many of them are too stupid to actually realize just who it is they are getting into bed with. A great many of them spend WAY too much time in front of a camera and actually believe that they know more than Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin about leadership. Prince Charles snubbed the former President of China over Tibet and quite honestly, princes have not ability to discern the cheap from the great. But you have to admit after some time Diana’s work became known because of HER! The Queen didn’t even want her to do AIDS!!!! At some point she became a global force with her charity and humanitarian work and yes it was because of her marriage but look at Kate and Meghan. They did charity work but many can’t name what they had done. Same with other princesses around the world! Charles is unlikable because he puts his head in places he’s not needed. You may dislike the person but how can you snub a president who had the education to become one and wasn’t born into such privileged? Same goes for William and Harry. At least Diana knew before the divorce scandal that her place was being a powerful force for humanitarianism. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2021 21:33:45 GMT
Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly. Then there is the BS about the press, how the press 'hassles' them, but OF COURSE there is going to be scrutiny and in my view, most of them seem to regress. A lot of problems with mixing commoners and royals is that the commoners really never grow beyond being what they used to be. CP Mary of Denmark loves to travel to Australia as much as she can and it is clear that this mixing-in with celebrity is in fact toxic. I mean, actresses sometimes do not know how to handle any of it. I mean, really, this idea that there is a NEED for a royal fashion icon is something that is just out of line. Meg did become famous on Suits, but then complained about stuff she 'had' to do and Kate whined about press coverage so much that one would think that she would never expect to be looked over by the public via the press. I get irritated that these new types really act genuinely and sincerely surprised that they are figures of interest. Entertainers are kind of the same. Many of them KNOW how to stay out of the limelight, but they choose to pull stuff anyway. I mean really, hearing them whine about doing press junkets and other stuff, irritates me to no end. Royals should not mess with the press and I wish royals would let the experts, actual experts, do their jobs and just end up basically living a good life. All those 'causes' they take up and try to worm their way into politics has led to no end of frustration.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 22:09:05 GMT
Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly. Then there is the BS about the press, how the press 'hassles' them, but OF COURSE there is going to be scrutiny and in my view, most of them seem to regress. A lot of problems with mixing commoners and royals is that the commoners really never grow beyond being what they used to be. CP Mary of Denmark loves to travel to Australia as much as she can and it is clear that this mixing-in with celebrity is in fact toxic. I mean, actresses sometimes do not know how to handle any of it. I mean, really, this idea that there is a NEED for a royal fashion icon is something that is just out of line. Meg did become famous on Suits, but then complained about stuff she 'had' to do and Kate whined about press coverage so much that one would think that she would never expect to be looked over by the public via the press. I get irritated that these new types really act genuinely and sincerely surprised that they are figures of interest. Entertainers are kind of the same. Many of them KNOW how to stay out of the limelight, but they choose to pull stuff anyway. I mean really, hearing them whine about doing press junkets and other stuff, irritates me to no end. Royals should not mess with the press and I wish royals would let the experts, actual experts, do their jobs and just end up basically living a good life. All those 'causes' they take up and try to worm their way into politics has led to no end of frustration. Yes I’m sick and tired of the whole the press is following me and hounding me. Honestly you are in the public eye and women has always had more interest in the media than men so get over it and do your damn job! “ Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly.” - Personally I think both Diana and Grace started this craze. The difference between those two and all the other women is that they didn’t really seek it because it was with them. Grace an Oscar winning film actress who becomes a princess. This was in the 50s so it was a story that was going to be followed. Diana was a breath of fresh air for the stodgy royals and during the height of media during the 80s and her compassion made people and the media want to follow her. But the rest of these ladies will never have the reaction those two got so they should stop trying! Also when you said about being a “Royal fashion icon” I agree! Many times these ladies want to be known as such because fashion is a powerful tool IMO. Yet again both Grace and Diana did it organically. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 17, 2021 22:45:42 GMT
Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly. Then there is the BS about the press, how the press 'hassles' them, but OF COURSE there is going to be scrutiny and in my view, most of them seem to regress. A lot of problems with mixing commoners and royals is that the commoners really never grow beyond being what they used to be. CP Mary of Denmark loves to travel to Australia as much as she can and it is clear that this mixing-in with celebrity is in fact toxic. I mean, actresses sometimes do not know how to handle any of it. I mean, really, this idea that there is a NEED for a royal fashion icon is something that is just out of line. Meg did become famous on Suits, but then complained about stuff she 'had' to do and Kate whined about press coverage so much that one would think that she would never expect to be looked over by the public via the press. I get irritated that these new types really act genuinely and sincerely surprised that they are figures of interest. Entertainers are kind of the same. Many of them KNOW how to stay out of the limelight, but they choose to pull stuff anyway. I mean really, hearing them whine about doing press junkets and other stuff, irritates me to no end. Royals should not mess with the press and I wish royals would let the experts, actual experts, do their jobs and just end up basically living a good life. All those 'causes' they take up and try to worm their way into politics has led to no end of frustration. Yes I’m sick and tired of the whole the press is following me and hounding me. Honestly you are in the public eye and women has always had more interest in the media than men so get over it and do your damn job! “ Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly.” - Personally I think both Diana and Grace started this craze. The difference between those two and all the other women is that they didn’t really seek it because it was with them. Grace an Oscar winning film actress who becomes a princess. This was in the 50s so it was a story that was going to be followed. Diana was a breath of fresh air for the stodgy royals and during the height of media during the 80s and her compassion made people and the media want to follow her. But the rest of these ladies will never have the reaction those two got so they should stop trying! Also when you said about being a “Royal fashion icon” I agree! Many times these ladies want to be known as such because fashion is a powerful tool IMO. Yet again both Grace and Diana did it organically.
Diana put herself under the guidance of Vogue and Grace was used to 'presentation' as an actress. At the same time, Diana was working according to the dictates of her position and regrettably a lot of the consorts these days are really uncouth. If they had the ability to help, I think they would. AIDS was a pivotal cause and regrettably royals, like celebs, are always trying to get worked up over one thing or another. There is a reason that celebs are not accepted into more stable areas of society and it is clear that royals are now just as addicted to drama and chaos as entertainers often are. The kids are NOT well behaved and they are NOT growing into the kind of people they should. They contribute nothing culturally or in areas of trade/business and few of them are even faithful. Mette-Marit supposedly screwing around while who knows what the others get up to. All of them are a huge mess and royals, the more modern they get, the more they make a mess of their lives. They get taxpayer cash and there is no way that they would be able to sustain their palaces without it and quite honestly, I am fed up. It sounds exhausting to sustain, those palaces, staff, couture/tailored wardrobes, and haute-cuisine and jewels. I could bang my head against a wall with all that privilege and it is clear that it wouldn't be so bad if they just stayed among their own set. But they don't, they insist now on being players before paying the dues. There is nothing that they do for their nations that justify their demands for more power, power they are not educated or trained or making sacrifices for. None of them get a practical education or spend their twenties doing additional work. They do not even hang around decent people. They prefer monied types that might make their fortunes in bad ways, but that doesn't matter as long as they get their way paid for.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 17, 2021 23:00:29 GMT
Yes I’m sick and tired of the whole the press is following me and hounding me. Honestly you are in the public eye and women has always had more interest in the media than men so get over it and do your damn job! “ Diana was an exception, not the rule and regrettably there are a lot of new consorts who want to be stars so badly.” - Personally I think both Diana and Grace started this craze. The difference between those two and all the other women is that they didn’t really seek it because it was with them. Grace an Oscar winning film actress who becomes a princess. This was in the 50s so it was a story that was going to be followed. Diana was a breath of fresh air for the stodgy royals and during the height of media during the 80s and her compassion made people and the media want to follow her. But the rest of these ladies will never have the reaction those two got so they should stop trying! Also when you said about being a “Royal fashion icon” I agree! Many times these ladies want to be known as such because fashion is a powerful tool IMO. Yet again both Grace and Diana did it organically.
Diana put herself under the guidance of Vogue and Grace was used to 'presentation' as an actress. At the same time, Diana was working according to the dictates of her position and regrettably a lot of the consorts these days are really uncouth. If they had the ability to help, I think they would. AIDS was a pivotal cause and regrettably royals, like celebs, are always trying to get worked up over one thing or another. There is a reason that celebs are not accepted into more stable areas of society and it is clear that royals are now just as addicted to drama and chaos as entertainers often are. The kids are NOT well behaved and they are NOT growing into the kind of people they should. They contribute nothing culturally or in areas of trade/business and few of them are even faithful. Mette-Marit supposedly screwing around while who knows what the others get up to. All of them are a huge mess and royals, the more modern they get, the more they make a mess of their lives. They get taxpayer cash and there is no way that they would be able to sustain their palaces without it and quite honestly, I am fed up. It sounds exhausting to sustain, those palaces, staff, couture/tailored wardrobes, and haute-cuisine and jewels. I could bang my head against a wall with all that privilege and it is clear that it wouldn't be so bad if they just stayed among their own set. But they don't, they insist now on being players before paying the dues. There is nothing that they do for their nations that justify their demands for more power, power they are not educated or trained or making sacrifices for. None of them get a practical education or spend their twenties doing additional work. They do not even hang around decent people. They prefer monied types that might make their fortunes in bad ways, but that doesn't matter as long as they get their way paid for.
If they could help they would. I could not name you one thing the rest of these consorts and princess does. Honestly for the amount of privilege they are blessed with they don’t do much with it to impact the world and make it a better place in some capacity. Nothing wrong with luxury and stuff but if you put more emphasis of the trappings that comes with being royalty and not enough on doing your job as an ambassador and helping those in need and fixing issues, then to me you are just like any other celebrity who is all about the press and image and not the content of their work and character. To me being a princess: is working hard, educating yourself in the causes thats in your heart, helping those in need, showing kindness and compassion, being gentle(not weak). Then the other things will come naturally to them that they want(respect, media attention, fashion icon(i guess)) sick of these modern royals. The reason why the world has moved on from royalty is because like you said they don’t set themselves apart in a beneficial way for example, being a great ambassador, bringing awareness. I think the only ones I respect are crown Princess Victoria and her sister really. Letizia I like her family and what they represent but she seems like a fashion icon to me. Also what’s up with them wanting to be stars? Her stans are crazy but Kate wants to be beloved like Diana was. Meghan is all about attention. Like why do they want to be stars if they don’t put in the work they their titles have given them to do? You can’t expect to rely on your title and not do anything. |
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