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Post by purple1 on Feb 22, 2021 3:16:22 GMT
It makes me sick how celebrities always have to constantly be in the center of attention esp when it’s not called for. What happened to your talent doing all that work(then again talent these days are very mediocre).
That’s true but you have to admit many of these marry in women want to be like a princess Diana as much as those royalist don’t want to admit it. No one knows that Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Spain has a monarchy unless you are from that country or is a royal follower. You mean to tell me they wouldn’t want a star power in their family to bring more attention to their Monarchy and bring in sycophants?
I agree with you. With all the complaining she did she really didn’t seem bothered with the luxury that came with her status. I also find it sad and ironic how Monroe was seen as a wh$re but Grace a lady but Grace did sleep around. I’m not judging because maybe she regretted her past and we shouldn’t judge people for their past but when she became princess of Monaco she really did conform didn’t she? If she had been her true self and did more for Mónaco charities and like you said did a lot for the culture(Mónaco is really known for the tax breaks and casino) and conform to being a princess since she was the most famous princess and not be a princess and celebrity adjacent she would have gotten the respect from those set. The public was already in love with her anyways.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 22, 2021 3:43:31 GMT
These days royal women are fixated on being fashion icons, but they are okay in themselves. Letizia could have become founder and patron of a charity that gives chances to aspiring journalists who need their first couple of breaks to get needed experience, or work with media to promote integrity or things like that, but she prefers Botox and anorexia. Mary of Denmark is useless and a lot of other princesses are basically getting kicks with the perks and they dress business like in hoping they are taken seriously, but it is clear that they will never be really what they are trying to be, which is taken as seriously as actual diplomats or actual heads of state that do not have titles at all.
I also find it sad and ironic how Monroe was seen as a wh$re but Grace a lady but Grace did sleep around. I’m not judging because maybe she regretted her past and we shouldn’t judge people for their past but when she became princess of Monaco she really did conform didn’t she?
Grace was a hypocrite, but she would never admit it or admit it to anyone else. She kept screwing around until it caught up with her after she messed with Ray Milland and his wife fought back against Grace's trouble-making. Grace got caught out this time and to (rightly) flamed and Grace blamed Hollywood culture, not herself and never too responsibility. Monroe was someone who had been victimized as a child and regrettably didn't sort herself out. Monroe couldn't really change her image once it was cemented and it is clear though that Marilyn was not hypocritical and was not at all half as vain as Grace was. Grace was just someone who went to Hollywood where she could live out her mental fantasy of being from the upper echelons and look down on others. Grace couldn't get away with it in REAL American society (where she would never have been welcomed anyway) and she wouldn't have an audience for her airs and graces and image.
Even after her marriage she was still screwing around and was adulterous all the while putting on airs. No wonder her kids were so messed up.
I've noticed that a lot of social strays often go into entertainment mainly since there is nowhere else to put up a front and get away with it. It's not like Grace could go to New York and worm her way into ACTUAL society and get away with her act of being above everyone around her. No one would want her at their events anyway. The Philadelphia scene that the Kelly family aspired to is one that would not have Grace as a daughter or Kel (her older brother) as a son and that is a concrete tight knit social set descended from the people who fought to throw monarchy out of the States. There is no way that Leonardo DiCaprio can pretend to be more than an actor anywhere other than Hollywood either.
These days royals buy the hype about themselves and I am sick of the role of royals being hyped as more than it actually is. They don't run anything anymore since most of the time they do not know how to run their own lives.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 22, 2021 4:50:23 GMT
I agree that Royals being hyped is not good because 9/10 times they don’t live up to the hype or go way beyond it. I honestly don’t know what Letizia does other than attend conference and do things on behalf of Spain. I know she visited poor countries and helped which is amazing! But other than that what does she do? She could do more to bring awareness to Spain culture, charities. Crown Princess Mary I have no idea what she champions. I feel like only the Swedish princesses are doing things correctly.
As far as I know it was Rainier who cheated on her months after their marriage.
Grace could have broken the mold of known born princesses entering that world and going way beyond and really creating the role of being a princess that others would follow and be a success at it. She was truly the first well known princess of the modern age. Diana broke the mold like crazy. But these princesses and queen in waiting or queens shouldn’t be like Diana because we all have our strengths and should use it. She was a breathe of fresh air at a time when royalty was utterly dull. I can see someone else who arises and becomes a princess in this day and age since royalty is utterly boring and more celeb like so if a princess came and was a breath of fresh air for royalty and did her work well for her country and was the epitome of a princess I think it will be a blueprint for ages to come.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 22, 2021 6:00:38 GMT
Diana broke the mold like crazy.
Diana blasted the mold and I honestly say it was well overdue. A nineteen year old well-born young woman should not be pressured into marriage. NOT before thirty is my motto and it has worked out well. One thing I do find disconcerting is how a lot of male entertainers are getting more and more interested in finding a Princess Diana type that will fit their image of themselves. Clooney goes on and on and on about how his wife is so much 'more' than a 'mere' actress and Leonardo DiCaprio prefers young women and it is becoming clear that male entertainers are basically getting more and more obsessed with finding wives who are socially connected, despite the fact that said entertainer is in fact not connected themselves. It is a regression, really. It's really disgusting, seeing these actors go all snotty about their female colleagues, despite the fact that none of them are all that much of a catch themselves. I mean really, it's revolting. There really is no quitting with them. They keep wanting to get mixed in with social stuff, but they do NOT know how to respect boundaries and it is clear that they refuse to accept that there are places where there is no place for them at all. I am sick of seeing male actors behave as if they are so much 'better' than their profession, when they are not.
Seeing Johnny Depp pose so seriously at a movie premiere, or Cate Blanchett wanting to talk about politics instead of her film or what she's wearing (the whole point of a premiere) is irritating. If these dolts want credibility, they need to stop working on Hollywood and get a real education/qualifications like everyone else. Yet they don't. Thing is, that they are not stable, or well educated, and this is something that I've noticed about a lot of royal consorts as well. Too many of them (consorts) want to be taken seriously, but let's be frank, most of them would be living mediocre lives if not for the princes they landed. Letizia could be doing restoration work for abandoned buildings or villages and could end up doing video documentaries on them, but chooses not to. Her foreign conferences are not conferences of substance and it is clear that it does nothing for Spain. Quite honestly, she does nothing of substance for Spain. Mary of Denmark does nothing for Denmark and it's not like she has education/training/temperament for anything big or even substantial and her husband is clearly unhappy. Then there is the fact that Mette-Marit is a disgrace and Maxima is an airhead of the first order and Mathilde is just plain basic, but it's a shame. The Hereditary Grand Duchess of Luxembourg is not contributing at all and it's all just a joke, an expensive tableau and it is regrettable that the princes themselves wear a military uniform, but have never truly seen any kind of combat.
I also think that what needs to be done is that royals need to be given an ultimatum: either date/marry decent types and TREAT them decent, or prep for a life of 'normalcy' minus the taxpayer income and red carpet treatment without earning it. If they want power, they have to get education and training and then serve and make choices along the way. No more military posturing and no more whining in public. I mean really, I am sick of their moaning about a burden of a family name or position when there IS no burdens for them. No more anything until it is earned well and good and maybe they could get recognition and perks, but not before they do more than just exist.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 22, 2021 6:59:55 GMT
Is it because these celebs want to be taken seriously in status and not just be actor/actresses? Like I really don’t get it. If you excel in your craft wouldn’t you get the respect since many can’t do what you can do? Take for example Michael Jackson. By all accounts he was treated like royalty everywhere he went(before allegations) and politicians, leaders all wanted to meet him. He didn’t dwell in politics but was doing humanitarian work. So what’s up with these celebs today?
“ Letizia could be doing restoration work for abandoned buildings or villages and could end up doing video documentaries on them, but chooses not to. Her foreign conferences are not conferences of substance and it is clear that it does nothing for Spain. Quite honestly, she does nothing of substance for Spain. Mary of Denmark does nothing for Denmark and it's not like she has education/training/temperament for anything big or even substantial and her husband is clearly unhappy. Then there is the fact that Mette-Marit is a disgrace and Maxima is an airhead of the first order and Mathilde is just plain basic, but it's a shame. The Hereditary Grand Duchess of Luxembourg is not contributing at all and it's all just a joke, an expensive tableau and it is regrettable that the princes themselves wear a military uniform, but have never truly seen any kind of combat.”
- These foreign conferences don’t do anything at all. Actually all these “business conferences” these royals do don’t do anything for those who are suffering. Letizia could do more as she should since Spain doesn’t even want the monarchy. Is Princess Victoria the only one doing it right? I also respect Madeleine!
These royals are so spoiled so they won’t be given ultimatums although the sphere is changing! These royals don’t don’t get away with anything like they did in the past. These people who marry into the royal family should go beyond and do great things in their position not just work here and there and call it a day.
Diana was too young but for the 15yrs she was Princess Of Wales she made her Mark in history and her legacy is cemented.
I think all in all in royalty we need a princess who is a breath of fresh air and start a new blueprint.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 22, 2021 17:29:17 GMT
Is it because these celebs want to be taken seriously in status and not just be actor/actresses? Like I really don’t get it. If you excel in your craft wouldn’t you get the respect since many can’t do what you can do? Take for example Michael Jackson. By all accounts he was treated like royalty everywhere he went(before allegations) and politicians, leaders all wanted to meet him. He didn’t dwell in politics but was doing humanitarian work. So what’s up with these celebs today?
These days celebs want more, but do not want to put in the work. Ever since the Kennedy administration, entertainers are allowed to be treated as if they are more than they really are and it got worse under the Clinton Administration. They want power, but they are too stupid to see the process that goes into acquiring it. Ever since the Civil Rights era, celebs have been addicted to the latest trendy cause and it feeds their natural unstable preference for drama instead of channeling it into productive work. Michael Jackson was someone who had substance. he learned while others merely watched and quite frankly, he was very businesslike in ways that other entertainers were (and are) not. He had common sense and he did his bit for a great many others. Thing is, that a lot of entertainers are using political issues to feed their need for drama and stimulate their jaded senses and also really believe that a person does not need experience or education or training to handle something like elected office, all ti takes is being the right image and the right person to live up to that image. Or being in the right place at the right time. Or lucky. In their minds, it has nothing to do with work, skills, training, and taking hits in areas that others do not have the stamina to withstand.
- These foreign conferences don’t do anything at all. Actually all these “business conferences” these royals do don’t do anything for those who are suffering. Letizia could do more as she should since Spain doesn’t even want the monarchy. Is Princess Victoria the only one doing it right? I also respect Madeleine!
These royals are so spoiled so they won’t be given ultimatums although the sphere is changing! These royals don’t don’t get away with anything like they did in the past. These people who marry into the royal family should go beyond and do great things in their position not just work here and there and call it a day.
Diana was too young but for the 15yrs she was Princess Of Wales she made her Mark in history and her legacy is cemented.
I find it ironic that Spain has no interest in a monarchy and I do not blame them. Royals are not as needed as they used to be. These days there are military commanders who can effectively defend their countries and politicians who LOVE the work and self sacrifice. Who love the work that goes into long nights and they have wives who do not want or need their spouses 'there' for them. It's not like even Crown Princess Victoria can do all that much since she was clearly not well educated (like the rest) and her combat posturing is funny since she will never really see any combat. She will never, never be put in the battlefield and it's not like she would be of any practical help anyway.
Diana was too young but for the 15yrs she was Princess Of Wales she made her Mark in history and her legacy is cemented.
She was everything a princess should be and if she had been better educated and skilled, she would have slipped it over in even more ways.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 22, 2021 18:38:57 GMT
Yep using it for their own gain and ego is what infuriated me. Like Kim kardashian and trump working together like what qualifications did she even have? I really hope this decade is where we see those who have the qualifications are front and center and not these celebrities. I’m also tired of them speaking their mind about their politics and swaying public opinion. I’m also annoyed with them hopping on trends because you can tell who is genuine about it and whose not. Michael Jackson was received as royalty because like you said he was very business like with his craft and skills and used it to spread awareness to those who are helpless. These Celebs can never be like that.
I wish Letizia would do more for Spain charities and poorer side of the country. I think that would do better for the country and also highlighting the culture and history of Spain too. Her daughter Leonor is doing great making speeches but she should also do more for the culture of Spain.
I agree Diana is everything a princess should be and did a lot without education and the skills to be a diplomat but she gotten those two things she would have been unstoppable. I think her real power was humanitarianism though not being a diplomat.
So would you rather have a new princess combined Diana and Grace on how they functioned to create a new standard of how a princess should be?
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Post by kueifei on Feb 22, 2021 19:06:06 GMT
More like Jackie O.; she was nicknamed "America's Queen" mainly since she was in fact more queen-like than former First Ladies who really, truly were more homespun. I like how she just chilled and enjoyed herself and lived an independent life in the sphere of being a First Lady. She really made that role her own despite being a Francophile. I sometimes like to think of myself as how Jackie O. would be if she had been raised to be career oriented in this era we live in right now. She really set a standard and she NEVER whined to or in public about her life. She never really did damage that she could have towards her husband because of his chronic infidelity.
I wish Letizia would do more for Spain charities and poorer side of the country. I think that would do better for the country and also highlighting the culture and history of Spain too. Her daughter Leonor is doing great making speeches but she should also do more for the culture of Spain.
So she does nothing for the poor? Worse than useless, she is also selfish. As for the Princess of Austria, she should not be groomed as some kind of 'global citizen' or 'activist,' Spain should be her main focus and not her piggy bank. She should focus on Spain and quite frankly, if Letizia does nothing for the poor or struggling, she deserves nothing. This is disgusting. I am so fed up with all of it. She owes Spain EVERYTHING and for some reason the nation of Spain means nothing to her. I do not get it. She could be doing restoration projects and providing work/money for Spanish companies and artisans and that would enable various other types of people to get opportunities and experience. I never much liked her, to be honest.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 22, 2021 20:28:35 GMT
I think Letizia does. I know she visited African countries to help and I think she has visited the poorer side but I’m not too sure. Here’s a link for their charities www.ibtimes.co.uk/king-felipe-queen-letizia-keep-list-charities-names-their-desk-during-virtual-meetings-1677580. You don’t think Leonor is focused on Spain? I think she has to since Spain is anti monarchist. Jackie-O would have been a great princess. She really would have made being a princess her own and really set the standard and it would have been great to see. For me I personally think Audrey would have been a fine princess. By all accounts she seemed to have the aura of one and she was not only intelligent but she was a great humanitarian and with her work with UNICEF is amazing. I think she really would have set the mold for future princesses to follow. Plus Audrey never complained and just got on with things. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 24, 2021 5:05:28 GMT
I find it disconcerting that royals think that their title should come with a grand lifestyle. It is clear that too many royals think that they are lesser royals if they are not living a life of grandeur, but it is clear that they really believe that it is part of the image of royalty to be living in multiple huge palaces, endless chauffeured cars, and limitless new clothes and numberless jewels of historic value. They do not just want it was payment for work, but they want it as some sort of natural right/order of things. As if the title and ancestral inheritance is not enough. The Greek royals talk all the time about their ancestral connection to Greece, but do nothing for Greece on a whole and it is clear that they really do believe that the title and lifestyle is one and the same.
The derisory term of 'bicycle monarchy' is silly since the Scandinavian royals wear Elie Saab couture and rarely wear anything that is not designer. I think it was Prince Michael or Prince Charles who argued to an author that royalty has to live a certain way and it irritates me since that is kind of rather a lie. Royals do not NEED palaces plus castles, plus couture, plus thousands of manor homes and they do NOT need private jets or helicopters or anything like that. They do not NEED private train cars or have entire areas rerouted for them and they do NOT need a police escort to visit a candy store. They do not NEED MI5 to look up the backgrounds of potential girlfriends and so and so forth.
All this attitude is like an entertainer who believes he has to live a certain way to maintain the image of being in more demand than he actually is. Go figure, it is no wonder few take royals seriously anymore.
Jackie-O would have been a great princess. She really would have made being a princess her own and really set the standard and it would have been great to see. For me I personally think Audrey would have been a fine princess. By all accounts she seemed to have the aura of one and she was not only intelligent but she was a great humanitarian and with her work with UNICEF is amazing. I think she really would have set the mold for future princesses to follow. Plus Audrey never complained and just got on with things.
Audrey was a perfect prototype and I regret that Monaco did not have her as a princess. Grace was a commercial princess who sold, but wasn't all that respected. I believe that Audrey would have been excellent and she was already part of the 'club' since her mother as a Baroness and I think Audrey was an aristocrat as well. I resent that Grace whined all the time and I resent that she (after all her privileged life) would not stop complaining in certain areas of her life. Just for once be happy! Grace never got in-depth and Grace really was largely superficially focused on establishing herself among the types like the Shah of Iran who was already a byword for decadence and the Windsors who were a byword for grandeur. She sought them out for validation and it has been a failing on her part that she never used her resources more generously. Grace's values were screwy and she was horribly mixed up in a lot of toxic ways.
You don’t think Leonor is focused on Spain? I think she has to since Spain is anti monarchist.
I admit I do not at all really focus on the Spanish monarchy. I just dislike Letizia for some reason.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 24, 2021 15:00:40 GMT
For the Greece royal family they could do SO MUCH for Greece but they don’t! Greece economy is horrible! They could do much for Greece culture but rather just live in a fantasy land like they still have a monarchy to reign.
I personally don’t mind if the royals live that way but it bothers me when they do but don’t give anything back in terms of doing much for the country and for the people and making a serious impact. It’s why I never cared Diana lived that lifestyle at least she went above and beyond her given role.
When you think about it you are right they don’t need to live that lifestyle but blame the public for allowing that to happen. Many like to believe in the fairytale but sadly these royals don’t know how to conduct themselves as a fairytale because if they did they would be more humble in their station of live and live a life a service. I don’t think I can be in their role and not to anything about helping others. It just seems wrong to me to do minimal work and that’s it.
Well the entertainers don’t live off taxpayers money so they can live however they want but maintaining a certain lifestyle so people can be envious has always been stupid to me.
Wow but that makes sense Grace was a commercial princess who sold like crazy and that princess lifestyle. If she didn’t seek their validation and did Monaco proud and done more charity work and done more for the arts and culture then she would have been respected by those set? Because the majority of the public adored her like Diana was adored.
What do you think Audrey would have done as a princess?
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Post by kueifei on Feb 24, 2021 15:14:51 GMT
For the Greece royal family they could do SO MUCH for Greece but they don’t! Greece economy is horrible! They could do much for Greece culture but rather just live in a fantasy land like they still have a monarchy to reign. I personally don’t mind if the royals live that way but it bothers me when they do but don’t give anything back in terms of doing much for the country and for the people and making a serious impact. It’s why I never cared Diana lived that lifestyle at least she went above and beyond her given role. When you think about it you are right they don’t need to live that lifestyle but blame the public for allowing that to happen. Many like to believe in the fairytale but sadly these royals don’t know how to conduct themselves as a fairytale because if they did they would be more humble in their station of live and live a life a service. I don’t think I can be in their role and not to anything about helping others. It just seems wrong to me to do minimal work and that’s it. Well the entertainers don’t live off taxpayers money so they can live however they want but maintaining a certain lifestyle so people can be envious has always been stupid to me. Wow but that makes sense Grace was a commercial princess who sold like crazy and that princess lifestyle. If she didn’t seek their validation and did Monaco proud and done more charity work and done more for the arts and culture then she would have been respected by those set? Because the majority of the public adored her like Diana was adored. What do you think Audrey would have done as a princess?
Wow but that makes sense Grace was a commercial princess who sold like crazy and that princess lifestyle. If she didn’t seek their validation and did Monaco proud and done more charity work and done more for the arts and culture then she would have been respected by those set? Because the majority of the public adored her like Diana was adored.
Thing is, that the 'top' is always changing and (usually) progressing. Grace was emulating HM/Windsors when she should have been embracing the Mediterranean lust/love for life that Monaco is supposed to embody. Instead of silly Victorian wigs and antiseptic hypocrisy, I believe she would have been better off. Grace embraced old fashioned views when the modern feminist movement was being embraced, especially by the upper echelons. A lot of upper class women were embracing feminism enthusiastically and supporting it big time.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 24, 2021 15:52:03 GMT
For the Greece royal family they could do SO MUCH for Greece but they don’t! Greece economy is horrible! They could do much for Greece culture but rather just live in a fantasy land like they still have a monarchy to reign. I personally don’t mind if the royals live that way but it bothers me when they do but don’t give anything back in terms of doing much for the country and for the people and making a serious impact. It’s why I never cared Diana lived that lifestyle at least she went above and beyond her given role. When you think about it you are right they don’t need to live that lifestyle but blame the public for allowing that to happen. Many like to believe in the fairytale but sadly these royals don’t know how to conduct themselves as a fairytale because if they did they would be more humble in their station of live and live a life a service. I don’t think I can be in their role and not to anything about helping others. It just seems wrong to me to do minimal work and that’s it. Well the entertainers don’t live off taxpayers money so they can live however they want but maintaining a certain lifestyle so people can be envious has always been stupid to me. Wow but that makes sense Grace was a commercial princess who sold like crazy and that princess lifestyle. If she didn’t seek their validation and did Monaco proud and done more charity work and done more for the arts and culture then she would have been respected by those set? Because the majority of the public adored her like Diana was adored. What do you think Audrey would have done as a princess?
Wow but that makes sense Grace was a commercial princess who sold like crazy and that princess lifestyle. If she didn’t seek their validation and did Monaco proud and done more charity work and done more for the arts and culture then she would have been respected by those set? Because the majority of the public adored her like Diana was adored.
Thing is, that the 'top' is always changing and (usually) progressing. Grace was emulating HM/Windsors when she should have been embracing the Mediterranean lust/love for life that Monaco is supposed to embody. Instead of silly Victorian wigs and antiseptic hypocrisy, I believe she would have been better off. Grace embraced old fashioned views when the modern feminist movement was being embraced, especially by the upper echelons. A lot of upper class women were embracing feminism enthusiastically and supporting it big time.
“ she should have been embracing the Mediterranean lust/love for life that Monaco is supposed to embody.” How was that supposed to look like as a princess? You think that would have cemented her as a great princess? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 24, 2021 18:49:58 GMT
All Grace had to do was: 1. Stop pretending that she was a virgin/virginal at the time of her marriage and throughout her marriage; once stuff came out about her past, she should have ended up taking the PR lumps with maturity and accepted that she did not always make the best of choices while young (something that all young people do). 2. Stop the martyrdom BS and stop pretending that her life is one big burden and cavalry 3. Stop pretending that she came from a socially prominent background and take more pride in coming from a self made background 4. Stop making everything all about her 5. Stop kissing the arse of the more established royal houses that would might actually otherwise respect her if she would stop acting like a WASP or a lady from the Victorian era. 6. Stop acting like she was more than another actress. She WAS just another actress and nothing more. 7.Stop making a mess of herself (alcoholism/lovers/bad dieting)
8. Stop telling the press every detail of her life as it happens and just chill with the demented need to be in the media spotlight. 9. Stop trashing feminism; just because she threw her career away for a ring and tiara, does not mean that others should throw away their chances at making a living in their own right. I think a huge part of her reactive nature against feminism is just plain jealousy that others were out taking hold of life and she threw that part of her life away. She threw her Hollywood career away and apparently in her mind, others had no right to a career and happiness of their own. She threw away a chance at a marriage based in equality, but would do the same to other women. If she had problems with women living full lives and not dependent on the whim if a man or husband, that is her tough luck, she has no right to sabotage or tear down others.
Grace would have been a better princess and she would have likely matured into a better person. She never grew up in certain areas and it is clear that she was a pain in the neck to live with.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 24, 2021 21:03:22 GMT
All Grace had to do was: 1. Stop pretending that she was a virgin/virginal at the time of her marriage and throughout her marriage; once stuff came out about her past, she should have ended up taking the PR lumps with maturity and accepted that she did not always make the best of choices while young (something that all young people do). 2. Stop the martyrdom BS and stop pretending that her life is one big burden and cavalry 3. Stop pretending that she came from a socially prominent background and take more pride in coming from a self made background 4. Stop making everything all about her 5. Stop kissing the arse of the more established royal houses that would might actually otherwise respect her if she would stop acting like a WASP or a lady from the Victorian era. 6. Stop acting like she was more than another actress. She WAS just another actress and nothing more. 7.Stop making a mess of herself (alcoholism/lovers/bad dieting)
8. Stop telling the press every detail of her life as it happens and just chill with the demented need to be in the media spotlight. 9. Stop trashing feminism; just because she threw her career away for a ring and tiara, does not mean that others should throw away their chances at making a living in their own right. I think a huge part of her reactive nature against feminism is just plain jealousy that others were out taking hold of life and she threw that part of her life away. She threw her Hollywood career away and apparently in her mind, others had no right to a career and happiness of their own. She threw away a chance at a marriage based in equality, but would do the same to other women. If she had problems with women living full lives and not dependent on the whim if a man or husband, that is her tough luck, she has no right to sabotage or tear down others.
Grace would have been a better princess and she would have likely matured into a better person. She never grew up in certain areas and it is clear that she was a pain in the neck to live with.
This is great and fair. How would embracing the Mediterranean lust/love for life that Monaco is supposed to embody look like in a Princess Grace though? I’m not understanding. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 24, 2021 23:53:03 GMT
For the Greece royal family they could do SO MUCH for Greece but they don’t! Greece economy is horrible! They could do much for Greece culture but rather just live in a fantasy land like they still have a monarchy to reign. I personally don’t mind if the royals live that way but it bothers me when they do but don’t give anything back in terms of doing much for the country and for the people and making a serious impact. It’s why I never cared Diana lived that lifestyle at least she went above and beyond her given role.
None of them are equipped or educated or trained in anything practical and it is clear that none of them intend on contributing until they are living like the Windsors with multiple palaces and who knows what else. It is clear that too many of the dethroned royals are treating the establishment of a constitutional republic as if it is just a blip, that this is just a phase and those demanding to have representation are just having a temper  of sorts. This isn't a phase and there is no realistic way for there to be the kind of restoration where they live like the Windsors and do token stuff like hand out toys every holiday and nothing else. Royals as it is are not serving or offering to serve in any practical way. There is been nothing stopping them from serving in government, or the military, or anything in any real way (with the right education and training) and oddly they seem to think that their 'love' of their nation is enough and it isn't. I do believe that the Greek royals refuse to face the fact that Constantine overthrew an elected Prime Minister, decided to install someone he thought would be a puppet, and was then himself overthrown and the right wing "puppet" ended up heading a right-wing military junta that terrorized the Greek nation for decades. It's not like Constantine was a victim of the residual Communist revolution. He threw it away when he overthrew the elected Prime Minister and he also at the same time, ran out on his people instead of staying and fighting against the rise of that dictatorship. He ran out and left his people to suffer the consequences of HIS decision/meddling. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 25, 2021 1:15:35 GMT
Wow didn’t know the backstory of Greece, but you are right they act like it was an injustice that they don’t have a reigning monarchy.
Also the Windsors shouldn’t be anyone’s example of how a royal should be. Have they seen what they become? It’s The Queen who is holding onto these old ways but once she’s gone you watch the monarchy will diminish into irrelevancy. The respect with go away with The Queen anyways.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 25, 2021 1:56:44 GMT
No one can afford royalty and celebrities these days. I honestly hope the era of 20 million checks, plus perks is something that is over and I think this era of royals having multiple palaces and jets and limitless credit are over. Realistically, studios are going to retrench and RARELY pay out a fat check and tolerate a crappy performance is over and I think politician are going to stop letting royals max out credit cards and do diddly for the nation. I kind of resent how entertainers get fat checks and half a$$ promote a film (promoting their politics instead) and prefer to dress bad and behave bad and it is clear that the current old guard need to be dismissed and a more employable and less expensive generation needs to be raised up. A generation that works instead of focusing on activism (they are not paid to do that) and it is clear that the current generation of 'royals' so called are a mess and waste. I am fed up with this 'modernism' that really justifies royals getting and doing what they want at taxpayer expense and everyone is supposed to either wait around for them or jump when they want the public to jump. They don't just confine it to their own households, they are pushing the rest of the world to operate at their timeline/convenience and it is clear that they are the source of a lot of instability and chaos.
As for celebrities, they are out of control as well. However talented, they are employees, not artists. None of them have any business adverting their political perspectives while they are supposed to be promoting the film and it is clear that most are not worth those large checks. Quite honestly, I am sick of celebrities being received as social equals by politicians and it is clear that much of it has to do with the Boomer generation being enthralled by celebrity in a way that is simply not healthy. I'm fed up with it. Seeing Hollywood entertainers party with Clinton and then Obama was totally gross and I am fed up with celebrity activism in general.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 25, 2021 3:41:05 GMT
I agree that Celebs being seen as political equals is probably done. People aren’t into that BS anymore and same with royalty. I think we are done with the whole worshipping these royals and celebrities because of COVID. The true hero’s are the nurses, doctors, humanitarians, Ect....
I think with royalty the traveling to different countries will be minimal and crowds will be less and if these royals don’t work hard people will call them out on them and it will be loud.
Blame the studios for writing those checks to these celebs. I just get annoyed with celebs showboating and always wanting to be center of attention but they don’t get money from the taxpayers so it’s on them.
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Post by kueifei on Feb 25, 2021 4:26:35 GMT
I think this pandemic has highlighted the painful fact that when there are times of REAL trouble, royals can't be relied on. I mean really, all that money is taxpayer money and oddly they do nothing but stash it away in foreign accounts and also cry poverty. I am fed up with hearing about how Charles can't afford something or shrieks about the cost of dry cleaning and then there is of course, the fact that their staff is paid gutter wages and clearly overworked. There is really no excuse and the so-called prestige doesn't have the same effect and it is clear that the Windsors are rolling in dough and prefer to just mooch as much as they can. If the royals wrote checks to food banks and paid the tuition bills of medical workers, that would do more than anything else to be blunt. It isn't even the Windsor's money anyway, that is taxpayer money. I do believe that I am fed up hearing about how they live a spartan life (BS) and I am fed up with how the Windsors are actually aghast at the thought of forking cash over in order to support their people. The UK government is strapped for cash since the Windsors have all of it and it is clear that the royals have no intention of stopping this constant taking of more and more money.
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton