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Post by kueifei on Feb 11, 2021 18:21:12 GMT
Diana was young and beautiful; she had just started out in her marriage and in her life. Later on, she proved that she wasn't just doing charity work to fill her time and despite everything that eventually happened. She didn't have to care about AIDS or go beyond what was required of her. She did a fabulous job at de-stigmatizing AIDS and she reached out to kids who were sick and lonely and seriously scared about what was happening to them. Throw in the stigma and lack of physical contact, I honestly do believe that it was horrific. Diana alleviated all of that and as for France, she really did do more than just be a tabloid darling. She really dug in and her sense of style was CLASS, not just trashy pieces of cloth that covered only the nipples and privies. She was and looked like a princess should and I am kind of bitter that she couldn't handle so much that was going on behind closed doors. The encroachment of a mistress and the unwillingness of HM to put Camilla in her place, her real place as mistress, who has no business messing with the wife.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 11, 2021 18:37:41 GMT
Diana was young and beautiful; she had just started out in her marriage and in her life. Later on, she proved that she wasn't just doing charity work to fill her time and despite everything that eventually happened. She didn't have to care about AIDS or go beyond what was required of her. She did a fabulous job at de-stigmatizing AIDS and she reached out to kids who were sick and lonely and seriously scared about what was happening to them. Throw in the stigma and lack of physical contact, I honestly do believe that it was horrific. Diana alleviated all of that and as for France, she really did do more than just be a tabloid darling. She really dug in and her sense of style was CLASS, not just trashy pieces of cloth that covered only the nipples and privies. She was and looked like a princess should and I am kind of bitter that she couldn't handle so much that was going on behind closed doors. The encroachment of a mistress and the unwillingness of HM to put Camilla in her place, her real place as mistress, who has no business messing with the wife. You nailed it! This was perfect well done!! Love it thank you!!! Yes to class and she was always dressed beautifully and respected other countries cultures(which seems to be missing in many Royals today) IMO if you were Grace Kelly what would you do to make the French love you as their “own”? |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 11, 2021 18:41:48 GMT
I couldn’t believe Charles appointed Katy Perry as an ambassador for the British-Asian trust. Talk about hatching onto relevancy!
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Post by kueifei on Feb 11, 2021 19:01:31 GMT
Diana was young and beautiful; she had just started out in her marriage and in her life. Later on, she proved that she wasn't just doing charity work to fill her time and despite everything that eventually happened. She didn't have to care about AIDS or go beyond what was required of her. She did a fabulous job at de-stigmatizing AIDS and she reached out to kids who were sick and lonely and seriously scared about what was happening to them. Throw in the stigma and lack of physical contact, I honestly do believe that it was horrific. Diana alleviated all of that and as for France, she really did do more than just be a tabloid darling. She really dug in and her sense of style was CLASS, not just trashy pieces of cloth that covered only the nipples and privies. She was and looked like a princess should and I am kind of bitter that she couldn't handle so much that was going on behind closed doors. The encroachment of a mistress and the unwillingness of HM to put Camilla in her place, her real place as mistress, who has no business messing with the wife. You nailed it! This was perfect well done!! Love it thank you!!! Yes to class and she was always dressed beautifully and respected other countries cultures(which seems to be missing in many Royals today) IMO if you were Grace Kelly what would you do to make the French love you as their “own”?
I would have dropped the Victorian BS act and stopped trying to be like the Windsors. The more she got all uppity, all airs and graces, that is how she lacked the kind of respect she craved. If she had embraced her racy past and not looked down on her Hollywood career, she would have been far more idolized by the people of Monaco and maybe even France. Same with feminism; the French culture is very practical and feminism is BIG in France, but Grace reacted by declaring that they (feminists and career women) are in fact aberrant and aligned herself with a value system that basically would have prevented her from having a career in Hollywood that actually put her on the radar as a prospective Princess Consort. There is no way that she would have been able to become a Princess Consort if she had not been famous and able to market herself as being more than she actually was. That is why she was not the respected figure that she might have craved to be.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 11, 2021 20:45:24 GMT
You nailed it! This was perfect well done!! Love it thank you!!! Yes to class and she was always dressed beautifully and respected other countries cultures(which seems to be missing in many Royals today) IMO if you were Grace Kelly what would you do to make the French love you as their “own”?
I would have dropped the Victorian BS act and stopped trying to be like the Windsors. The more she got all uppity, all airs and graces, that is how she lacked the kind of respect she craved. If she had embraced her racy past and not looked down on her Hollywood career, she would have been far more idolized by the people of Monaco and maybe even France. Same with feminism; the French culture is very practical and feminism is BIG in France, but Grace reacted by declaring that they (feminists and career women) are in fact aberrant and aligned herself with a value system that basically would have prevented her from having a career in Hollywood that actually put her on the radar as a prospective Princess Consort. There is no way that she would have been able to become a Princess Consort if she had not been famous and able to market herself as being more than she actually was. That is why she was not the respected figure that she might have craved to be.
I think it’s why Diana will always be remembered out of the two because Diana was very relatable. Grace not so much publicly unless you read how she was behind the scenes. But I still respect her for her role as a Princess. It makes me wonder why Caroline born a Princess never got the love her mother got? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 11, 2021 23:44:38 GMT
I think it all boils down to respect. In "The Crown," Elizabeth II is depicted as telling Charles that while he isn't thrilled with Diana right now, the best route would be mutual support, duty, and building a great work history together and out of that, love usually comes, the kind of love that is long lasting. It is a totally correct statement. The real difference between the kind of love that comes from being entertaining and the kind of love that comes from sincere respect. Thing is, that Diana was respected. First as a clean living teen, then as a completely suitable consort, and then from her work as a princess (bearing heirs) and then there was her work as a philanthropist. Diana was not someone who had anything to really  and even after she was exposed as having lovers, she didn't get fully ruined mainly since she had never put on the kind of airs and graces that Grace did. Grace was someone who had basically misunderstood the more Mediterranean temperament of Monaco and (by proxy) France. Grace had had a racy past, even by Hollywood standards and it is clear that Grace regrettably tired to erase it and come across as virginal as possible. Grace, at her wedding, was stiff and unyielding and was increasingly passive and determinedly self sacrificing, despite the fact that in terms of a dynastic match, she was bringing nothing of value or substance. She was not bringing with her alliances, she was not bringing big bucks, and she was not bringing class at all. She seemed to want to command respect, not inspire it. She brought more baggage than benefits. Diana on contrast, was sacrificing by marrying as a teen and forgoing any further kind of individual development (and in my view did mess up her mental health) and really did put herself in a highly isolating position. Leaders respected that out of a teen and Diana did dedicate herself to her nation in that very unique way. After that kind of self sacrifice, of course people were going to admire and respect her for it. It was old fashioned, sincere self sacrifice.
Then after bearing two fine sons she proceeded to really delve into her work, which brings me to AIDS. Grace attended the Red Cross ball annually and mixed with her old Hollywood crowd and did some minor fundraising, but realistically, she didn't really do much by way of substance and focused on maintaining her position as a mainstream star despite the fact that it did exclude those on the sidelines that were marginalized. She did not meet up with AIDS patients at clinics and did not at all really end up delving into it big time. Diana by contrast, really delved in. She hugged kids who were struggling to understand WHY they were kept in hospitals or a form of quarantine and also near zero physical interaction, much less concrete comfort. She MADE people see AIDS as a disease, not a curse or spell or even all that contagious. Grace was also around when AIDS was given more and more attention and yet Grace really didn't dig in deep. She remained on a highly superficial level of 'concern' and it is clear that she was not at all someone who was going to spend most of her time at clinics making sure that AIDS patients got actual positive, or loving, attention. Grace didn't reach out or give AIDS patients a voice like Diana did and Diana was instrumental in turning around the view of AIDS patients from freaks to clinically ill victims and she made it clear that there were children with this disease that couldn't have possibly done drugs or been irresponsible sexually. She didn't just make them feel like human beings, but ended up humanizing them in ways that no one else ever even thought to. She took that title and did things that made her such a pivotal influence. She is someone who really sincerely cared and I find it regrettable that she didn't get the help she so desperately needed herself. Grace did none of that despite her own status as Consort of a reigning prince and someone who could have done a LOT for AIDS patients and others who were marginalized and ostracized.
I also realize that in terms of marriage, Grace had the better deal, but in many ways, did not appreciate it. She had numerous affairs, sometimes hitting on men on a plane and her husband was by all accounts devoted and eager to make her happy in any way that he could. Diana had a bad end and didn't have the kind of chance at a mature bond with her husband that Grace did, but did not appreciate. I mean really, what on EARTH did Grace have to logically complain about. Grace's tragedy airs are something that irritated the heck out of me as I read her biographies and in my view, she was as passive as she could be, first as a teen/young adult and even then after she had children. She was DETERMINED to be a victim. She let her kids run over her and she would likely have not minded if her husband had been unfaithful, since that would have allowed her to be even more of a victim. Diana was more assertive as she grew older and it is clear that she grew and matured and couldn't get rid of the mistress, but she did fight in her own way that at least exposed that she wasn't crazy about her suspicions about a mistress. She did expose the fact that she was being marginalized and driven out of her marriage, not because of a bad fit, but because the mistress would just not LET UP. She is not at all someone who wanted to be passive like her ancestors and that is another area that she was earning huge respect. That is the concrete difference between celebrity and royalty. Royalty is supposed to reach out and make sure there is nothing about their past that can haunt them and celebs try so hard to detach themselves from the public and often have pasts that are horrific and they do not face and deal and own up, they prefer to whitewash/deny and live how they THINK someone in the upper echelons should be instead of who they really are, which is decidedly antiseptic. Diana grew and evolved in her marriage and standards and Grace regressed.
I regards to their deaths, their lives as kids, Diana was from a sincerely upper class background and was raised to do duty and reach out. Grace was raised to put up a front and aspire to being more upper class, despite the new money status and Diana did try for independence and break from her family's control, while Grace regressed all the time, letting her family mistreat her boyfriends when they came over to meet her family. I resent how Grace wanted to be a victim or be someone who would let her family control her choice of spouse. She literally let her boyfriends get bullied, insulted, and in one case, literally assaulted (Don Richardson ended up being flipped over) and then there was Oleg Cassini who was refused as a spouse for Grace and ironically, Oleg ended up one of the most renowned designers in the world. Diana was raised to believe that she HAD to serve the family's dynastic ambitions, it was her sacred duty.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 12, 2021 2:06:59 GMT
I just want to say thank you so much! You really opened my eyes how different these two ladies were and why imo Diana will always be that “perfect” princess. I admire Grace for her role but she could have done much more. I agree whitewashing your past it’s only going to haunt you later on. Embrace it, you made a mistake then move on.
If Grace had done what Diana had did I think Grace would be the blueprint of how a princess should be. Why do you think her own daughter Caroline didn’t do much with being the First Lady of Monaco? By all accounts she’s intelligent.
Makes me upset that all the things Diana did Kate doesn’t want to use her position to do more but rather just dress up and be a total celebrity. SMH.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 2:51:15 GMT
Neither one of these two princesses meets my standards as an exceptional princess - each had their positives but yet each seemed very troubled and/or flawed.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 12, 2021 3:08:51 GMT
Neither one of these two princesses meets my standards as an exceptional princess - each had their positives but yet each seemed very troubled and/or flawed. Thats very true. Whose your standard? |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 12, 2021 3:55:41 GMT
If Grace had done what Diana had did I think Grace would be the blueprint of how a princess should be. Why do you think her own daughter Caroline didn’t do much with being the First Lady of Monaco? By all accounts she’s intelligent.
Grace did not see the point in educating her daughter at all. Grace allegedly told Caroline that she didn't need to go to uni and learn anything. Some kind of mother. It really shows her parvenu status that she would not encourage her daughter to get a career and make herself more substantial. Grace thought that the only book her daughter needed was the Almanach de Gotha to find a husband. Not at all about reading or really cultivating herself or getting an education and finding a purpose/direction in public service. There is no way that Diana would have encouraged her daughter to remain idle and uneducated. There is no way that Diana would have encouraged her daughter to think of only marriage and idle indulgence. There is no way it would have been permitted in British culture and it never would have been permitted in the Windsor family. The Windsors do indulge, but they are not the idlers that the Grimaldis are.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 12, 2021 5:27:38 GMT
If Grace had done what Diana had did I think Grace would be the blueprint of how a princess should be. Why do you think her own daughter Caroline didn’t do much with being the First Lady of Monaco? By all accounts she’s intelligent.
Grace did not see the point in educating her daughter at all. Grace allegedly told Caroline that she didn't need to go to uni and learn anything. Some kind of mother. It really shows her parvenu status that she would not encourage her daughter to get a career and make herself more substantial. Grace thought that the only book her daughter needed was the Almanach de Gotha to find a husband. Not at all about reading or really cultivating herself or getting an education and finding a purpose/direction in public service. There is no way that Diana would have encouraged her daughter to remain idle and uneducated. There is no way that Diana would have encouraged her daughter to think of only marriage and idle indulgence. There is no way it would have been permitted in British culture and it never would have been permitted in the Windsor family. The Windsors do indulge, but they are not the idlers that the Grimaldis are.
Well it seems like Caroline followed her mother’s suit because Charlotte doesn’t really do anything despite her privileges. I respect Diana a lot! My father is still a huge fan of hers because he enjoyed her humanitarian work. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 13, 2021 6:28:17 GMT
Neither one of these two princesses meets my standards as an exceptional princess - each had their positives but yet each seemed very troubled and/or flawed.
Diana had more reason since during her formative years, she was terribly mixed up and was someone who was unable to responsibly handle a lot of the power that went with being Princess of Wales and was someone who was too famous for her own good during her formative years. She was not experienced in handling relationships and she was not equipped to handle a media that would NOT BACK OFF.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 13, 2021 9:45:48 GMT
There will never be one perfect princess since every human being on earth is different and different set of skills and personality but Diana is regarded as the standard princess and for a reason.
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2021 14:17:20 GMT
There will never be one perfect princess since every human being on earth is different and different set of skills and personality but Diana is regarded as the standard princess and for a reason. Yes, for modern times and standards. I'm more partial to some royalty from the past, whose stories I am just beginning to discover. Maybe that's why I find that efforts on the modern crew to be a little dismal and lacking. The games of the Sussexes and Cambridges BOTH plus the behaviour of their stans/sugars /PR teams is really a travesty and annoys me to no end. Really disgraceful and I try to call them out anytime I can. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 13, 2021 17:03:45 GMT
There will never be one perfect princess since every human being on earth is different and different set of skills and personality but Diana is regarded as the standard princess and for a reason. Yes, for modern times and standards. I'm more partial to some royalty from the past, whose stories I am just beginning to discover. Maybe that's why I find that efforts on the modern crew to be a little dismal and lacking. The games of the Sussexes and Cambridges BOTH plus the behaviour of their stans/sugars /PR teams is really a travesty and annoys me to no end. Really disgraceful and I try to call them out anytime I can. To be both Meghan and Kate are not princesses since they don’t act as such, don’t bring anything new to the table, and honestly it seems they are just faking it. They both want to be famous beloved princesses but it has to come from a place of sincerity. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
Yes, for modern times and standards. I'm more partial to some royalty from the past, whose stories I am just beginning to discover. Maybe that's why I find that efforts on the modern crew to be a little dismal and lacking. The games of the Sussexes and Cambridges BOTH plus the behaviour of their stans/sugars /PR teams is really a travesty and annoys me to no end. Really disgraceful and I try to call them out anytime I can. To be both Meghan and Kate are not princesses since they don’t act as such, don’t bring anything new to the table, and honestly it seems they are just faking it. They both want to be famous beloved princesses but it has to come from a place of sincerity. I completely agree; they wish to be celebrities. If you are looking for who I seem to like and/or respect as a contributing royal, you may get an idea of the people I post about, mostly in the old royalty threads. I'm just going through a period now of being completely fed up with too many modern royals - they do seem to want only attention that so-called celebrities get. |
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Post by purple1 on Feb 13, 2021 21:28:03 GMT
To be both Meghan and Kate are not princesses since they don’t act as such, don’t bring anything new to the table, and honestly it seems they are just faking it. They both want to be famous beloved princesses but it has to come from a place of sincerity. I completely agree; they wish to be celebrities. If you are looking for who I seem to like and/or respect as a contributing royal, you may get an idea of the people I post about, mostly in the old royalty threads. I'm just going through a period now of being completely fed up with too many modern royals - they do seem to want only attention that so-called celebrities get. I am the same. I’m turned off by the modern royals today. They want to be a celebrity yet have the status of a royal. You can’t have both ways. No offense not everyone can be a mixture of the magic Diana had. Many of them don’t even do the job. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 13, 2021 21:49:51 GMT
I think the worst part is, that they are so fixated on being a 'star,' that they forget that the REAL stardom comes from a large body of work. Actual work. Diana, if she had been a licensed social worker, would have been able to really delve into helping in a very fundamental way, but regrettably the newer generation is such a complete sick joke. It's disgusting how there is no inner growth or developed personalities. William openly talks about how he wants to change things and it is clear that almost all of them get so worked up over their vaunted 'future' that they forget to think of the 'here and now' and really, truly make something of their lives that don't include being a media darling. Diana was an exception, not something that can really be captured and it irritates me that so many royals want to 'modernize' that the morons have no real past body of work in their own right. None of them do the work and none of them do much other than go to parties and social events and it isn't the result of putting in tons of hard work, but it's mainly about just dressing up and showing up. Even Kate can't really pull it off at all. If just for once, these royals would take a long hard look at the realities of their 'duties,' they would whine a lot less and make so much more of their roles. They would realize that they would be better off doing more cultural things and it irritates me that at cultural events like (in Britain) there is "the Proms," which is a multi-day singing event and there are no royals there for every one of them. William and Harry are too focused on gutter stuff like low rent nightclubs or boring bars that they are not embedding themselves in the culture of the country. Stuff like that means something and quite honestly, I am sick of this media BS about how they will be running the country when they refuse to even run their own lives or even just themselves. Harry is dressing in a knit hood, hoodie, and walking like some low rent thug and hanging out with who knows who and prefers to mooch on an African safari resort rather than delve into his own nation's cultural heritage. Then there are the other royals who prefer to hang in France or Switzerland and quite honestly, they would be better off spending money in their own nation that they are supposed to be supporting. Prince Joachim of Denmark is living in France with his French wife Marie and it is clear that other royals prefer to party in the Caribbean locales rather than just end up staying in their own countries. Worst part is, that if they DID ACTUAL WORK instead of just mooch, they would have the kind of respect and quality fame that comes from the kind of work that actually makes a difference.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 14, 2021 0:39:21 GMT
I think the worst part is, that they are so fixated on being a 'star,' that they forget that the REAL stardom comes from a large body of work. Actual work. Diana, if she had been a licensed social worker, would have been able to really delve into helping in a very fundamental way, but regrettably the newer generation is such a complete sick joke. It's disgusting how there is no inner growth or developed personalities. William openly talks about how he wants to change things and it is clear that almost all of them get so worked up over their vaunted 'future' that they forget to think of the 'here and now' and really, truly make something of their lives that don't include being a media darling. Diana was an exception, not something that can really be captured and it irritates me that so many royals want to 'modernize' that the morons have no real past body of work in their own right. None of them do the work and none of them do much other than go to parties and social events and it isn't the result of putting in tons of hard work, but it's mainly about just dressing up and showing up. Even Kate can't really pull it off at all. If just for once, these royals would take a long hard look at the realities of their 'duties,' they would whine a lot less and make so much more of their roles. They would realize that they would be better off doing more cultural things and it irritates me that at cultural events like (in Britain) there is "the Proms," which is a multi-day singing event and there are no royals there for every one of them. William and Harry are too focused on gutter stuff like low rent nightclubs or boring bars that they are not embedding themselves in the culture of the country. Stuff like that means something and quite honestly, I am sick of this media BS about how they will be running the country when they refuse to even run their own lives or even just themselves. Harry is dressing in a knit hood, hoodie, and walking like some low rent thug and hanging out with who knows who and prefers to mooch on an African safari resort rather than delve into his own nation's cultural heritage. Then there are the other royals who prefer to hang in France or Switzerland and quite honestly, they would be better off spending money in their own nation that they are supposed to be supporting. Prince Joachim of Denmark is living in France with his French wife Marie and it is clear that other royals prefer to party in the Caribbean locales rather than just end up staying in their own countries. Worst part is, that if they DID ACTUAL WORK instead of just mooch, they would have the kind of respect and quality fame that comes from the kind of work that actually makes a difference. “ Worst part is, that if they DID ACTUAL WORK instead of just mooch, they would have the kind of respect and quality fame that comes from the kind of work that actually makes a difference.” - THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! They would be a star in their own right without just being royal celebs and actually have the respectability they so crave and if they have that personality adored too. Diana understood this. Why can’t the modern royals can’t understand this? It’s why I feel like the lines are blurred between celebrity and royalty or maybe since the 90s the magic of royalty died and people rather have celebrities in their minds than royalty? I think it’s ironic how Prince Joachim married a French woman who became an HRH yet the French public does not care or take her as their “own princess”. |
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Post by kueifei on Feb 14, 2021 5:43:51 GMT
I think that reason, that the French do not embrace Marie, is that she has no real bond with the French people. I mean really, that "people's Princess" title has to be EARNED, not at all just tossed to anyone. Diana did all she could within the limits of her position and regrettably I believe that if certain dynamics in her life had been different, she would have been alive, still married, and also I do believe that with the right skill set, she would have broken new ground and ended up being able to really, truly end up setting a new standard. I think this 'famous for being titled' has not had a good effect and I am FED UP with the  -tale BS. I am fed up with the over-hyping of the royal role and I am fed up with women who ware leeching getting the ring. I mean really, there was no excuse for Crown Princess Mary to move to Denmark and try to move into the palace and there is no excuse for Kate to move into William's home during his last year at uni. There is no real reason or excuse to mooch at all and I am fed up seeing these women get access to the black AMEX and blow it on foreign couture and end up getting away with bringing nothing but baggage to a marriage. No one should marry a non-equal and it is clear that these princes are not at all thinking with the head that contains their brains.
The media is the last thing that should be taken into consideration in regards to any kind of decisions. Royals don't need popularity, they need accomplishment and need allies, real allies.
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