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Post by Mrsmarple on Jan 7, 2023 6:37:48 GMT
No he shouldn’t. Harry is an active traitor, and should be treated as such. Might I remind you that at the time of the Queen’s death, Harry had already participated in the Netflix reality show, and had had his autobiography written for him. Harry is self admitted drug addict and an alcoholic, Meghan’s behaviour towards him and her other minions, is that of a cult leader, and he worships her as such. (Proof is that Harry has now been reduced to the pitiful status of Thomas Markle.) They do not have a healthy relationship, and it is obscene in the extreme that Meghan should even place her ugly feet inside a royal palace.
Up until Kate married in, Harry and William were becoming a stable double act and Harry was toning down his partying. Harry was settling into his life as was William; after the wedding Kate started becoming publicly domineering and Harry likely reacted by relaunching into the party scene and struggling. Kate didn't just walk two steps behind, she walked next to William and relegated Harry to being a third wheel. She relegated Harry to being the follower, not Kate who had a DUTY to walk two steps behind. It has nothing to do with modernism, but has everything to do with insolence. Second, a while, it was obvious that Harry was having an unusually hard time fitting in with his girlfriends and finding a wife. It could not have been media coverage, but something was going on that was driving away Cressida and Chelsy. Harry should have been beating women off with a bat and it isn't just media coverage that is hard to handle. Something was going on and second, most importantly, Harry was continuing to be unstable and unable to get a handle on his own situation. We did hear stuff about how Kate was crossing lines, but she was like a dog in heat in 2012 and for some pathetic reason, no one got her in line. Kate is broken and breaks things rather tan leaving well enough alone.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 8, 2023 18:05:27 GMT
Up until Kate married in, Harry and William were becoming a stable double act and Harry was toning down his partying. Harry was settling into his life as was William; after the wedding Kate started becoming publicly domineering and Harry likely reacted by relaunching into the party scene and struggling. Kate didn't just walk two steps behind, she walked next to William and relegated Harry to being a third wheel. She relegated Harry to being the follower, not Kate who had a DUTY to walk two steps behind. It has nothing to do with modernism, but has everything to do with insolence. Second, a while, it was obvious that Harry was having an unusually hard time fitting in with his girlfriends and finding a wife. It could not have been media coverage, but something was going on that was driving away Cressida and Chelsy. Harry should have been beating women off with a bat and it isn't just media coverage that is hard to handle. Something was going on and second, most importantly, Harry was continuing to be unstable and unable to get a handle on his own situation. We did hear stuff about how Kate was crossing lines, but she was like a dog in heat in 2012 and for some pathetic reason, no one got her in line. Kate is broken and breaks things rather tan leaving well enough alone.
Yes, and now Meghan walks in FRONT of Harry.
Meg does not pretend to be a delicate little housewife; Meg does not pretend to be a simple woman who wants to live a simple life.
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Post by Admin on Jan 14, 2023 20:39:16 GMT
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Post by sanka on Jan 15, 2023 5:12:35 GMT
I still have no idea what apology he wants. MM and PH have trashed the Royal Family. MM has implied that they are racist and PH is backing down on that one now. MM has tried to set up the Cali/US Royal Family (and had planned that all along). Both of them acted shockingly while the Duke of Edinburgh was sick and while the family were in mourning and, also when Queen Elizabeth was sick and had passed. They have both treated her father and family appallingly. Even if someone gave them an apology for something that we have no idea about, it would not be enough. They need to carry on with the narrative of victims in order to make money. Plus anything that is said to them will be likely to told to the world - no idea of privacy or security. I hope the Royal Family keeps the continued silence. It is driving PH nuts. He has had to drag the children out in order to see if he could get his brother to respond. I suspect PW would be throwing a  and exploding with rage (the Spencer side and part of the Windsor side) but the best thing is for him to continue with the silent treatment. I am sick of the threats with PH has enough material for a 2nd book and MM is going to write a book because she kept a diary of the short time she was in the Royal Family. If they had done this sooner and told the one story rather than lying about different things and backtracking then people may have thought that it all had merit. Now it is too late and it is just jealousy and spite and trying to grab the cash. They have no talent for anything else. If PW was involved in them leaving the Royal Family then PH should have said something years ago. But MM had planned prior to the engagement that she was not going to stick around in the UK. It was all fluff and the reference to 'hit the ground running' during the engagement interview was probably the only bit of truth both of them had told. If PH can't even tell the correct story of where he was when the Queen Mother passed or, what presents he received from his mother or, even fact checked the history side of Eton, I don't believe anything that he says. I am sick and tired of the constant whining. For one day when Lisa Marie Presley passed we got a reprieve from the dubious duo...one day was not enough. I wish he would just shut up and let us see headlines that are actually newsworthy (and truthful). |
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Post by Admin on Jan 15, 2023 16:15:37 GMT
I still have no idea what apology he wants. MM and PH have trashed the Royal Family. MM has implied that they are racist and PH is backing down on that one now. MM has tried to set up the Cali/US Royal Family (and had planned that all along). Both of them acted shockingly while the Duke of Edinburgh was sick and while the family were in mourning and, also when Queen Elizabeth was sick and had passed. They have both treated her father and family appallingly. Even if someone gave them an apology for something that we have no idea about, it would not be enough. They need to carry on with the narrative of victims in order to make money. Plus anything that is said to them will be likely to told to the world - no idea of privacy or security. I hope the Royal Family keeps the continued silence. It is driving PH nuts. He has had to drag the children out in order to see if he could get his brother to respond. I suspect PW would be throwing a and exploding with rage (the Spencer side and part of the Windsor side) but the best thing is for him to continue with the silent treatment. I am sick of the threats with PH has enough material for a 2nd book and MM is going to write a book because she kept a diary of the short time she was in the Royal Family. I f they had done this sooner and told the one story rather than lying about different things and backtracking then people may have thought that it all had merit. Now it is too late and it is just jealousy and spite and trying to grab the cash. They have no talent for anything else. If PW was involved in them leaving the Royal Family then PH should have said something years ago. But MM had planned prior to the engagement that she was not going to stick around in the UK. It was all fluff and the reference to 'hit the ground running' during the engagement interview was probably the only bit of truth both of them had told. If PH can't even tell the correct story of where he was when the Queen Mother passed or, what presents he received from his mother or, even fact checked the history side of Eton, I don't believe anything that he says. I am sick and tired of the constant whining. For one day when Lisa Marie Presley passed we got a reprieve from the dubious duo...one day was not enough. I wish he would just shut up and let us see headlines that are actually newsworthy (and truthful). Thank you, sanka - your points certainly hit the nail on the head! All of this could have been handled SO differently, and IMO, Harry lost his chance. I have to be very disappointed, personally, because I (and of course some others) are/were 100% certain we knew exactly what the real deal was; believing this for years, too. Meghan started off just fine, and she was welcomed into the family fold and actually given benefits not granted to a good many outsiders. Is there any mention of that in Spare, for anybody who has read the book? Anyways, there was talk EVEN BACK THEN, that this was just a springboard to eventually going back to the life in Hollywood and other plans and ambitions. If Harry was realistic about Meghan and his mother, Diana, he would have seen parallels of the paths BOTH women were taking and how it wasn't all altruism and self-sacrifice; Meghan was allegedly obsessed with Diana's life and I have no doubt that she actually believed, and still does, that she is the natural heir to Diana's mysticism. (hoo doggie, will sip some coffee now, lol) The mistakes in Spare were actually laughable, and pathetic, for a man who allegedly received a double digits millions advance. Henry VI was his 6X great grandfather? A man who died in the 15th century? Come on...insulting, but there we are. Other errors were made, apparently, and let me see, Harry went to Eton? Yeah, it's just all so stupid. Harry had ONE HUGE CHANCE to reveal what is being hidden in that family; WHO is being protected and WHY. The UK and Commonwealth is being lied to and betrayed at an epic scale and enough is enough, BUT Harry blew it big time, because allegedly Meghan's cries of victimhood/racism/anger at not having a preeminent position in the family/becoming the 2nd Diana, etc, surpasses possible tr#ason and lying to all the citizens of the Commonwealth. THIS is what astounds me; Harry had this one chance and he BLEW IT. Never mind that citizens and taxpayers are being lied to, gouged for their hard-earned dollars, being duped, treated as simpletons and idiots - Meghan shouldn't have been crying at the fitting of bridesmaid's dresses, whatever. Meghan, as a child, had to come home to a rather embarassing mother lying about her yard smoking weed, would be embarrassed(?) by a cottage at KP (right next to his late mother's apartments, by the way?) Oh, Harry - how EMBARRASSED you must have been?  Yes, Harry allegedly made it all about ridiculous ancecdotes and a cry for Meghan to be apologized to. THIS is what it has all come down to. What a stinking mess. |
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Post by sophia on Jan 16, 2023 5:22:01 GMT
I used to believe that H&M lied about their time in BRF, in order to blackmail the BRF, to prevent them from telling the truth.
Now it is quite clear that Harry has nothing on the BRF. He and Meghan behaved appallingly during their time in Britain, Harry even confirms tabloid stories that I didn’t believe at the time. They are to horrific human beings whom take pleasure in tormenting, trashing and blackmailing both their families. There is no great secret, there is no big bombshell — it is all lies.
Harry doesn’t remember anything from his childhood, because he has sniffed so much Coke, smoked so much weed and taken so many drugs that has suffered brain damage. He is a narcissist , he doesn’t actually care about history or his family, because in his mind only he and his emotions are of any importance. What he has from his childhood is hallucinations, which he has uncovered through drug use with professionals’. It is unbelievable that Harry is revealing all this about himself. He is acting as a suicide bomber in a vacuum — totally destroying himself.
The problem for the royal family is that Harry reveals just how much they have covered up about him for 2 decades. His substance abuse, his violent behaviour and nasty character. The BRF will have to decide how much of revelations from the past they will allow to come to the surface, they have enough to destroy harry completely, but it will also damage them, because they are complicit. It is similar to the Andrew case. The BRF has two vile spares who have been poorly educated, spoiled, run rampant and behaved appallingly. All have been aided and abetted by the BRF and then covered up.
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Post by Admin on Jan 16, 2023 17:22:52 GMT
I used to believe that H&M lied about their time in BRF, in order to blackmail the BRF, to prevent them from telling the truth. Now it is quite clear that Harry has nothing on the BRF. He and Meghan behaved appallingly during their time in Britain, Harry even confirms tabloid stories that I didn’t believe at the time. They are to horrific human beings whom take pleasure in tormenting, trashing and blackmailing both their families. There is no great secret, there is no big bombshell — it is all lies. Harry doesn’t remember anything from his childhood, because he has sniffed so much Coke, smoked so much weed and taken so many drugs that has suffered brain damage. He is a narcissist , he doesn’t actually care about history or his family, because in his mind only he and his emotions are of any importance. What he has from his childhood is hallucinations, which he has uncovered through drug use with professionals’. It is unbelievable that Harry is revealing all this about himself. He is acting as a suicide bomber in a vacuum — totally destroying himself. The problem for the royal family is that Harry reveals just how much they have covered up about him for 2 decades. His substance abuse, his violent behaviour and nasty character. The BRF will have to decide how much of revelations from the past they will allow to come to the surface, they have enough to destroy harry completely, but it will also damage them, because they are complicit. It is similar to the Andrew case. The BRF has two vile spares who have been poorly educated, spoiled, run rampant and behaved appallingly. All have been aided and abetted by the BRF and then covered up. True, but they have an heir that has had many misdeeds covered up too. A totally worthless heir who has betrayed a Commonwealth, IMO. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 16, 2023 14:15:48 GMT
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2023 20:05:47 GMT
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2023 20:07:55 GMT
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2023 20:20:04 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Mar 19, 2023 0:25:56 GMT
And Kate was there all along; she was certainly at a point where she was a do nothing but a partier. I do not think there is any point to pretending that Kate was anything other than a bad influence and I sincerely wish certain media figures would retire and stop this narrative BS and presenting it as fact. There used to be a difference between the tabloids and 'respectable press' and now that is all gone. It's all cheap sensationalism and not at all informative. The blogs are more informative. I sincerely wish there would come a point where Parliament would tell Harry to either come back or renounce his status. No double dipping; he is definitely showing that he really isn't interested in integrating into American life and it is clear that he and his wife are preferring titles to status gained through a profession. Harry and his wife are just as guilty of milking this mess and it is irritating to say the least about it.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:00:01 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Apr 3, 2023 3:59:52 GMT
I think we are witnessing an implosion of two men with everything but the willingness to grow up. It is my view that Harry is seeking a way out of his royal life, but does not want to decrease his standard of material living while William is the same, but he is in my view seeking for a powerful family to take him in as an adult adoptee and basically go out of their way to protect him from the repercussions of an actual renunciation. Harry could have gone to a Commonwealth nation and duked it out there, but he came to the States since in my view he wants to move to the States, but does not know how to adapt to living a non-royal life. William is the same, but I think he is getting up to something else entirely. I still think he has a mistress and it is not Rose.
Neither William or Harry are handling new realities, one being that they are not young and hot anymore and two, the world no longer wants to focus on them and despite their loathing of press attention, it is all they have ever known. William and Harry are taking shots at each other, using each other as proxies for their own inner demons. Like Munchausen-by-proxy and it is clear that both princes are determined to destroy their demons, but they are destroying each other. I sincerely think there will come a point where there will be some drastic final act and neither prince will survive it. William is always angry and so who he is angry at is likely not doing anything directly. Harry is sick of William's battery and how Harry always gets the shaft while William walks out squeaky clean.
William never learned self control through consequences and Harry never got credit for his good stuff and contributions that he did make. Harry was neglected by people who should have been protecting him and now there comes a point where it all comes to a mess. So now this.
Out of the two, William is more self destructive, but it is clear that William is better protected. Regrettably both princes have Spencer feral lack of control and Windsor myopia. Two layers of stupidity and now we have this. Forgive my bitterness, but I hope Diana is proud of her handiwork in teaching her sons amor@lity.
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Post by Admin on Apr 3, 2023 13:11:41 GMT
I think we are witnessing an implosion of two men with everything but the willingness to grow up. It is my view that Harry is seeking a way out of his royal life, but does not want to decrease his standard of material living while William is the same, but he is in my view seeking for a powerful family to take him in as an adult adoptee and basically go out of their way to protect him from the repercussions of an actual renunciation. Harry could have gone to a Commonwealth nation and duked it out there, but he came to the States since in my view he wants to move to the States, but does not know how to adapt to living a non-royal life. William is the same, but I think he is getting up to something else entirely. I still think he has a mistress and it is not Rose.
Neither William or Harry are handling new realities, one being that they are not young and hot anymore and two, the world no longer wants to focus on them and despite their loathing of press attention, it is all they have ever known. William and Harry are taking shots at each other, using each other as proxies for their own inner demons. Like Munchausen-by-proxy and it is clear that both princes are determined to destroy their demons, but they are destroying each other. I sincerely think there will come a point where there will be some drastic final act and neither prince will survive it. William is always angry and so who he is angry at is likely not doing anything directly. Harry is sick of William's battery and how Harry always gets the shaft while William walks out squeaky clean. William never learned self control through consequences and Harry never got credit for his good stuff and contributions that he did make. Harry was neglected by people who should have been protecting him and now there comes a point where it all comes to a mess. So now this.
Out of the two, William is more self destructive, but it is clear that William is better protected. Regrettably both princes have Spencer feral lack of control and Windsor myopia. Two layers of stupidity and now we have this. Forgive my bitterness, but I hope Diana is proud of her handiwork in teaching her sons amor@lity.
THIS.  It's all come down to this, really. You summed it up perfectly. Bravo!!!!!! This should be required reading for ANY Cambridge/Sussex stan. Well, they probably wouldn't get too much out of this, as it makes too much sense!!! But, any royal watcher should really read this and other good posts here. We have watched this all unfolding for the longest time, but too many are just stuck in the War of the Brothers, and firmly believing the brother they support is beyond reproach or criticism. Why they place so much energy into back either one is not for any of else to figure out, it's their call to make. But, life is never black and white, it has various shades of grey, etc. It's a little scary maybe waiting to see what happens next - neither brother is in a good place mentally, emotionally, or situationally. Both ARE imploding; it's tragic and disturbing, but what's happening is the end result of a lifetime of bad choices, coddling, dysfunctional upbringing, and abusive patterns that were just not checked or dealt with. Also, being in a special and unique situation from birth and never being given the change to just be private citizens. Well, that's my pre-coffee wakeup ramble. I am sure I will expand on my thoughts later. |
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Post by kueifei on Apr 3, 2023 19:58:47 GMT
Thing is, that they were taught how to be royal, but not well behaved and not at all cultivated. Royals and aristocrats and any man who wanted to be referred to as a gentleman was heavily drilled in manners and heavily drilled in gestures and other small things that differentiated them. They were allowed to coast on the assumption that decent women would be roped in and would end up being an alpha female consort and cover up his boorishness and endure his abusiveness. I do not think that either was raised in a modern or old fashioned way; Diana encouraged them to flout standards and violate boundaries and not even attempt to end up getting involved in court affairs. Neither William or Harry attended state banquets when they should have (starting at age eighteen) and should have been going to garden parties and they should have been making it a point to go places where they would meet and spend time with decent types. The requirement of pulling their weight shouldn't have become negotiable and both princes should have been going to state banquets at sixteen since banquets are not arduous. All their work is lightweight either way and in my honest view it is clear that each prince was raised to hype up everything all the time. A state banquet is not arduous and it is my honest view that showing up, dressing up, and putting on a good face is not boring or 'old fashioned' or like how Diana whined. People give their eyeteeth to get to the level of a state banquet and here are the royals, whining all the time.
If you look at DiCaprio or look at a lot of fading famous people, they become self destructive because they do not know how to have a life outside of fame; DiCaprio was hot hot hot during the 90's and so were a lot of other famous people, but it is clear that that era is over, but many are still doing the same schtick. William and Harry were weaned on being young and hot and rich and they were not raised to adapt and adjust to cultural changes. Neither was given any kind of upbringing. The worst part is, that neither are aware that people are fed up and only the trash they surround themselves with are interested in their existence. Right now the world as we knew it is falling to pieces and we are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic and they are continuing to destroy themselves as they go over their long lost childhoods and whine about what is fair or unfair in their hyper-privileged lives. They're like former beauty queens who can't cope losing their youthful looks. They're celebrity holdovers from the 80's/90's and that for a royal is bad bad bad since it is clear that royals are supposed to be outside of being a fad. Much, if not all of this is a bad upbringing and it is clear that both princes were raised like trust fund brats and on taxpayer money. I for one am of the view that since their former support network is gone that used to keep them in line, this is why they are deteriorating. At the outset, the late Queen Mother, the lat Queen, and the late Prince Philip were a force keeping all of them in line and on track and second, they were young enough to be guided and molded.
Irrespective of Camilla/Charles, both Harry and William were still young enough to be properly kept in line and molded and somewhat disciplined. Regrettably they inherited Diana's broken mechanism that prevented them from developing healthy independence and Camilla is not an excuse as to why each prince would not develop their own home and their own work/life balance and their own set of people that would provide proper give/take. Second, neither William or Harry inherited Charles' largely independent nature and it is not normal for fully grown adults with their resources to live dependently with their father; nor did they inherit the Windsor instinct for boundaries and preference for an on-track life. Thing is, that Diana did introduce louche behavior into the princes and she did end up rasiing her sons to view their life of civic duty as a huge drag, a burden, that after they started work, fun time would end. After the death of the Queen Mother, Chalres married Camilla and got on with his life and William and Harry likely resented 'having' to develop lives of their own. Instead of moving into places of their own, they chose to live with their father way past the time it is appropriate.
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Post by Admin on Jun 5, 2023 13:20:25 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Feb 11, 2024 20:06:45 GMT
I think William and Harry are all Spencer, but the issue is broader.
Point blank, royals are not made to go out into the wider world and make improvements and spend time doing that. It is clear that they refuse to accept that they do not belong in 'normal settings' and it is clear that they refuse to accept this. It is clear that they are at a point where they refuse to accept this. Royals already had their lives set up and were supposed to follow that road and add to their titles accomplishments or at least stay out of the way.
Regrettably it is clear that royals do not fit and but refuse to go to THEIR PLACE. Diana inspired a generation of royals to have a bad attitude and shirk their duties and as a result, politicians are overworked and overstressed and with Harry it is obvious that he can't cope because he is not used to taking responsibility or taking initiative or anything and his wife is a two-bit hustler who keeps coming up with a new bright idea but is too unstable to focus and see it through. She is failing because she is small time, not good enough for the level she aspires to and quite honestly I wonder how much is wrong with her in that she does not see that she has to work on herself and no on others.
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Post by Leopard on Jun 27, 2024 21:32:32 GMT
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Post by Leopard on Jul 6, 2024 18:28:13 GMT
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tale BS.
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