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again with that ex of hers that she slept with ... i guess it was another breakup at that time.

Evasive Kate

By mavrixgt on November 29, 2007 11:40 pm in Celebrity, Kate Middleton / 2 comments

Prince William’s on-again, off-again girlfriend Kate Middleton acted very evasive with our photographer today as she was snapped with an unknown male in London’s Chelsea. As soon as our snapper grabbed a frame of the pair they panicked and split up. Kate rushed to her car and was out of sight in minutes.

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PRINCE WILLIAM'S GORGEOUS LIVE-IN LOVE
Apr 2 2004

Friends call her Fit Kate and make jokes that she will one day be Queen

FRIENDS of Kate Middleton last night told how they were certain Prince William would not be able to resist her beauty and charm.

They even joked that she would be Queen one day after the sport-loving brunette confessed she fancied the young royal.

History of art student Kate, 21, worked as a deckhand on the BT Global Challenge yacht before heading to St Andrews University where she met boyfriend Wills.

One of her former crewmates on the Southampton-based craft said: "Kate was gorgeous and very popular. She was from a good family and seemed just perfect for the prince.

"After the crew heard Kate and William were both going to St Andrews we said they'd end up getting together.

"We used to tell her: 'You'll be the Queen one day'. It was a long-running joke.

"She used to laugh along but you could tell she really liked him. She admitted: 'I do fancy Wills'.

"Kate was so beautiful we were sure William would fall for her. She's a lovely girl, good luck to her."

In 2001, before she left the yacht, Kate had a summer fling with deckhand Ian Henry, much to the envy of the other male crew. They went on a secret holiday to the Caribbean.

Our source said: "Everyone called her Fit Kate and the lads were very jealous she got together with Ian. She was quite a catch.

"It all ended when they went their separate ways to start university."

Ian, 23 - who is studying at Oxford and lives near Taunton, Somerset - was last night coy about the romance.

He said: "We were very good friends but I have not spoken to her for a while.

"We met a couple of years ago through sailing. I was crewing on a boat at Southampton and Kate was on another. Occasionally we would sail together.

"She is a fun girl. I would call her bubbly, outgoing and down-to-earth.

"I did not know she and William were an item. She is very reserved, she does not like being in the spotlight."

Businessman's daughter Kate and second in line to the throne William, 21, now live together as a couple in a cottage near St Andrews, Fife.

She has met Prince Charles several times and sources are convinced their relationship is "serious". Charles is understood to approve.

The pair went to great lengths to keep their four-month-old romance a secret.

Only close friends knew about the relationship and were sworn to secrecy.

Old Etonian Fergus Boyd, who shares the cottage, was one of the few in the know. Every time Kate and Wills left the home they made it look as if they were nothing more than housemates.

In public they never held hands or showed affection to each other. Friends said William knew their secret would come out, but he wanted to keep it private as long as possible.

Even yesterday, when photographs of the pair on a skiing holiday in Switzerland were published, the prince ordered Clarence House aides to keep quiet.

A spokesman still refused to confirm Wills and Kate were an item.

He said: "He's going to be photographed and seen with young ladies in the next few years because he's a young man out and about."

"We're not going to be suddenly going 'yeah she is, she isn't, she is, she isn't'. It's not fair on him or them. We're not going to disclose the nature of his friendships because that's private." There was anger among the few who knew about the relationship that one had betrayed the prince by leaking details of his romance to a newspaper.

And a row erupted over publication of the paparazzi pictures which royal aides said breached an agreement to not to invade William's privacy when he was skiing in Klosters.

Kate and William met when they both began studying History of Art at St Andrews. The prince later switched to geography. At the beginning of their second year, Wills moved out of the halls of residence into a flat in the town with Kate and Fergus.

The trio moved into their cottage on the outskirts of the town last September.

Speculation has surrounded the couple's friendship since 2002, although they have always denied being romantically involved.

Kate hit the headlines after William reportedly paid �200 for a VIP ticket to a university fashion show where she modelled a bra and knickers while wearing a see-through dress.

At the May Day Ball last year, the prince also spent most of the evening huddled up with Kate and other friends.

They were photographed walking together down the local high street and deep in conversation at a rugby game.

William and Kate have much in common. Both like sport. They play tennis together and she loves watching rugby and polo.

Kate was on the sidelines to cheer on William when he played in a rugby sevens tournament. The pair both spent part of their gap year in Chile.

She has been credited with persuading William to stay at St Andrews after reports he wanted to quit because it was "boring".

Kate is discreet and loyal, qualities William counts on from his friends.

Kate, who has a sister Phillippa, 19, and 16-year-old brother James, was educated at St Andrews in Pangbourne, Berks, then Marlborough College in Wiltshire.

Her parents Carole, 48, and Michael, 53, run a mail order children's party toys business called Party Pieces.

During university breaks Kate returns home to Bucklebury, near Newbury.

Last night dad Michael showed his own loyalty to his daughter and her new boyfriend when approached by reporters. He said: "I don't talk to the press."

Kate was among the 300 guests invited to William's 21st birthday party at Windsor Castle last June.

The prince has admitted he feels sorry for female friends linked romantically.

In an interview he said: "There's been a lot of speculation about every single girl I'm with and it actually does quite irritate me after a while, more so because it's a complete pain for the girls.

"These poor girls, you know, whom I've either just met and get photographed with, or they're friends of mine, suddenly get thrown into the limelight and their parents get rung up and so on. I think it's a little unfair on them really.

"I'm used to it because it happens quite a lot now. But it's very difficult for them and I don't like that."

And he offered his simple philosophy on dating.

Wills said: "If I fancy a girl and I really like her and she fancies me, which is rare, I ask her out.

"But I don't want to put them in an awkward situation because people don't quite understand what comes with knowing me"

Despite the media frenzy over the upcoming royal wedding, Kate Middleton holds on to her privacy

London – The theme of the walking tour was the forthcoming royal wedding, but the object of the group’s obsession was Ms Kate Middleton, the royal bride. In Mayfair, the guide paused at the next important landmark: the Jigsaw store on Dover Street.

“Kate’s struggle to hold down a job since graduating has reportedly earned the displeasure of the queen,” declared tour guide Hana Umezawa, as earnestly as if she were explaining the Spanish Armada. “The closest Kate has come to having a regular job was when she worked at Jigsaw as a part-time assistant accessories buyer from 2006 to 2007.”

What do you say about a young woman who went to college, fell in love and became engaged? With Ms Middleton and Prince William’s wedding a little more than a week away, the chances of the public learning anything new about her before she turns into a princess (or a duchess, depending on which title she takes) are zero.

Now 29, she has formally spoken to the press only on the day she and William announced their engagement and submitted to a gentle sprinkling of softball questions. She appears to have spent a lifetime avoiding unseemly episodes.

“It’s absolutely extraordinary – people do comment and talk about what she’s like, but we know almost nothing about her,” said Valentine Low, who writes about the royal family for The Times of London. “She’s a blank cipher. She’s existed in this funny little bubble for the past nine years, and they’ve done a brilliant job of controlling the flow of information, just letting out enough for us to feel that we’re getting something.”

The princess-to-be is a rarity in this era of lives played out in public: a mega-celebrity who has never been on a reality show, has no Facebook page, does not tweet and is not preparing to reveal all in a memoir.

She is like an old-time Hollywood star, full of mystery, a canvas onto which the world can project its fantasies.

There is some debate over how early Ms Middleton became aware of William as a potential husband. In his book William And Kate: A Royal Love Story, Christopher Andersen describes her as having spent her teen years fantasising about William, poring over news articles about him, even putting images of him up on her wall.

Asked in their engagement interview whether she in fact did display a poster of William in her dorm room, Kate grinned and said: “He wishes.” (She added: “I had the Levi’s guy on my wall – not a picture of William. Sorry.”)

Their courtship at the University of St Andrews, where both were students, has been told in endless articles, books and television specials. But only a few insiders know if the episode that is supposed to have ignited the royal passion – when Kate appeared at a fashion show in a see-through dress and William uttered the prosaic but fateful words, “Wow! Kate’s hot!” – really happened that way.

The two, who by all accounts have an easy and joking relationship, lived together in a group house, first as friends and then as a couple. He introduced her to his family and hung out with hers. When he wavered about whether college was right for him, she persuaded him to stay.

Another key spot on the royal wedding tour was Mahiki, a Polynesian-themed club that is a known drinking location for William, a (possibly reformed) known drinker.

Here, walking tour guide Umezawa related, William’s friends were believed “to treat Kate unkindly by making derogatory references to her middle-class background”. It was here, she said, that William came to celebrate after he and Kate (briefly) broke up in 2007, leaping onto a table, yelling “I’m free”, and amassing an US$18,000 bar bill in less than a week.

Since they have reconciled – “Kate, by her aloof behaviour, gained the upper hand,” Umezawa explained – they have lived together in Anglesey.

“Kate has played it beautifully,” said Kate Reardon, editor of Tatler magazine. “She appears to be modest and conservative and un-showoffy and everything that we would love her to be.”

In her last days being single, Ms Middleton appeared to have gone into lockdown. However, she was spotted shopping in London this week. But the more she stays out of the limelight, the more fevered and, in a way, paltry, the speculation becomes. Even Hello!, a magazine that can turn the rustling of a breeze near a royal palace into a news story, has had to make do with less than usual.

“Kate’s big wedding secret revealed,” it promised on the cover of last week’s issue. Inside it disclosed, citing unnamed sources, that Ms Middleton would not hire a professional make-up artist for her wedding but would apply her own.

That seems highly unlikely, given that a TV and Internet audience of approximately 2.5 billion people will be on hand next Friday to critique her make-up job, along with everything else about her. And think of the wedding photos.

But who knows? The palace had no comment.

How ten policemen were used to escort Kate out of a nightclub in January 2007
Old article 6th January 2007

TEN police officers were called in to protect Prince William's girlfriend Kate Middleton as she left a nightclub.
Miss Middleton was heading home with second in line to the throne William in the early hours of this morning after an evening out in London.
Two police vans arrived and officers formed a cordon to stop photographers getting too close.
The rise in security comes after increasing numbers of paparazzi have started following Kate, who is expected to marry William and one day be a future Queen.
Police were stationed outside her home in Chelsea yesterday to cope with the growing pack waiting to watch her leave for work.
As an ordinary member of the public, she is not entitled to police guard.
A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said: "We don't comment on protection matters. We never have and we never will."
Clarence House refused to comment on the matter.
But the police guard is likely to fuel rumours that Kate will become engaged to William in the near future.

February 2007 - Kate uses her connections to get a cut price Audi car.

The isn't royal yet, but Kate Middleton is steering her way there with another assured drive on the road to joining the Windsor family 'firm.'
Prince William's long-standing girlfriend is to take delivery of a new Audi car - the make preferred by her boyfriend and his family.
When Kate, 24, gets behind the wheel of the sporty A3 hatch-back coupe in March it is bound to provoke fresh speculation about when, not if, she is joining the royal family.
She currently has a Volkswagen Golf - a model which William has also driven in past (a 2.0 litre TDi turbo diesel version).
The Daily Mail can reveal that she has negotiated a specially enhanced 'arrangement' with the German car-maker similar to the exclusive deal enjoyed by the royals who have proved huge Audi fans over the years.
Prince Charles chose a luxury Audi A8 limousine as his official car along with two All-Road estate cars because they could accommodate his polo equipment.
A 'buy British' drive at the palace meant he had to hand over the keys to the long-wheelbase A8 in favour of a Jaguar XJ - but he has hung on stubbornly to the two All-Roads.
Prince William has a powerful Audi S4 4.2 litre V8 saloon - with the speed limited to 155mph.

Prince Harry drives a black 3-door Audi A3 turbo-diesel - similar to the one Kate is to receive - and has been photographed regularly with it at polo matches.
The royal family has a highly competitive leasing arrangement which is not available to ordinary motorists - because of the priceless prestige manufacturers receive from their cars' exposure in high society circles.
Miss Middleton has become one of the most photographed women in the world in recent months, amid increasing speculation that she and Prince William are to marry.
With the new '07 'year six monthly licence plate set to be issued this week it is likely that she'll take delivery on or soon after that date.
Miss Midddleton is a keen driver and has, in the past, been frequently spotted in her Golf driving between her parents' home in Berkshire and her London flat.
Audi received massive publicity after Williams late mother, Princess Diana, began driving a chic Audi A4 cabriolet soon after her separation from Prince Charles in the early 1990s - kick-starting Audi's up-market image and giving it an unprecedented cachet.

It is understood from friends of the couple that while Miss Middleton's arrangement echoes that enjoyed by her boyfriend William and the rest of his family, it has been negotiated separately.
This arrangement differs markedly from those made with celebrities, who are usually expected-and even contracted - to make a certain number of personal appearances at parties or social events in return for free or subsidised use of the vehicle.
She is likely to take delivery of a 2.0 litre A3 model, probably turbo-diesel, that would normally cost around £ 23,000 in showrooms.
It's a remarkable coup for Audi, which already sponsors some of Prince William's Polo activities, and previously sponsored those of his father.
Friends of the couple say she is 'very excited' about her new Audi and 'can't wait for it to arrive'. They say she was recommended the marque following rave reviews from her boyfriend and his brother.
Kate drives herself from her West London home to her work at the headquarters of the chain saw Jigsaw in Kew.

William having fun during the 2007 breakup with a mystery girl and Holly Branson (very flirty with her)

Wills enjoys the single life with a mystery girl at Mahiki
Forget about Kate! Wills has enjoyed a great night out with brother Harry, Chelsy and his friends at Mahiki. According to reports, Mahiki was the venue for Prince Harry's and A & B Squadron of the Household Cavalry's farewell before being deployed to Iraq.
Wills and pal Guy Pelly arrived at Mahiki around 11pm, after senior army officers had left. The prince then spent the evening drinking up a storm with friends, allegedly racking up a £5,000 drinks bill by the end of the night. He left over an hour after Harry at 3.30am.
Wills danced with good friend Holly Branson and witnesses described Wills as a man on mission to get drunk and enjoy himself. A source told The Daily Mail:"It was a case of complete role reversal.
"Harry was on his very best behaviour. He and Chelsy were not really drinking. It was quite clear Harry had other things on his mind. But William didn't care at all about getting drunk."
According to reports, Wills and Holly were getting along famously. One source told The Daily Mail:"They were clearly very close and getting along like a house on fire.
"At one stage they were poking their tongues out at each other."
Then things got interesting with reports that Wills was wither seen kissing a brunette he had been sitting with all night or a blonde who had joined his table after a while. The News Of The World said: "He spent most of the night canoodling in a corner with a mystery brunette."
The Daily Mail wrote:"The elder Royal even ended the evening passionately kissing a mystery blonde." The Daily Mail even quoted one onlooker who said:"Towards the end of the evening, though, he was sitting with a pretty blonde who had joined his table. They were chatting for a while, then William leaned over and started kissing her in front of his friends. It's clear he is loving single life."
Whoever Wills kissed, it seems that he's well and truly enjoying the single life once more.

More fun with Holly

EXCLUSIVE: HOLLY'S GROWING ON WILLS

Zoe Griffin 29/04/2007

A CLEAR favourite is emerging in the fight to be Prince William's next girlfriend - Sir Richard Branson's knockout daughter Holly.
The beauty, 25, and the heir to the throne spent the night dancing and locked in conversation at Prince Harry's farewell party before he heads to Iraq.
As girl after girl tried to wrestle Britain's most eligible bachelor from Holly's side, the £4billion Virgin heiress protected her corner with a series of vicious looks.
Holly, who has a medical degree, shared four dances with Wills at trendy London club Mahiki on Friday night, while Harry, girlfriend Chelsy Davy and lots of Army buddies looked on.
One guest said: "If I were a betting man, I'd put a very good wager on Holly becoming William's next girlfriend."
The minute Wills arrived, Holly, who once holidayed with his ex Kate Middleton, made a beeline for him.
Even when the Prince hit the dancefloor, swarms of eager blondes fought for his attention with smiles and flirty dancing. One even draped a necklace of flowers around his neck.
But it was obvious the future King had eyes just for Holly. The pair only stopped chatting to dance to retro hits such as Stevie Wonder's Superstition.
Wills sipped his £100 Treasure Chest drink until he and Holly left at 3am.
In contrast, a subdued and sober-looking Harry left his own party at 1am. A guest said: "Everyone was buying Harry vodka cranberries but he just left them on the table.
"He didn't dance all night and just sat at his table with Chelsy."

The Queen expressing concern that William is back with Kate in 2007

THE Queen is apparently concerned that Prince William and his on/off girlfriend Kate Middleton are rumoured to be back together.
She worries that Will’s indecisiveness will lead to tears further down the line.
I also wonder if Her Maj is not a little disturbed that Kate gets her picture in the papers so much, and seems to thoroughly enjoy the limelight.
Is the nice, middle-class young woman in danger of having her head turned? It has to be said that Kate has played a blinder in her efforts to keep William interested. That photo of her standing cool and beautiful in a rowing boat while the girls on the oars in front of her look hot and sweaty is a masterpiece of PR. Of course they are actually rowing while Kate is merely manning the tiller but she looks like a gorgeous mermaid, her hair streaming loose, while the all-girl crew practising for a charity boat race have their hair scrunched back and their cheeks scarlet with effort.
But Kate would look equally stunning if she were grasping an oar. She’s one of those women who are effortlessly stylish, always elegant. They never flap, never look hot and bothered, they’re always chic and brimming with confidence. It’s a Parisian quality, infuriating to those of us who do not possess it. But as a possible future Queen, it will serve her very well.
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Once it was a love affair between a royal prince and a comely commoner that simply reached what many took to be its natural end.
But today, Kate Middleton is formally back in the royal fold, her wide, open-mouthed smile as unrevealing as ever about what she's really feeling.
The Queen is exasperated by what she sees as future difficulties for her grandson, William and the former air stewardess's dark-haired daughter whom he met at St Andrews University. Her private dream is that her grandchildren do not make the same mistakes that wrecked the domestic happiness of three of her children.
She has told close friends that William and Kate, having split up once, could do so again. Even though she is fond of Kate, she feels William could be making the wrong decision, especially as he confided to her and Prince Philip in the spring that he did not think he loved Kate enough.
As for Kate, let us not kid ourselves: throughout this confusing episode, she has slipped in the public's regard because of the way she has sometimes appeared to grab all the attention that she could get while, at other times, she has had her lawyers issue formal warnings and complaints about the attentions of the paparazzi.
Earlier this week, the story took a new twist when it emerged that Kate was pulling out of the Sisterhood, the group of 21 girls who are to row a Chinese-style dragon boat across the English Channel.
After weeks of pouting for the cameras while training on the River Thames for the charity challenge later this month, this clearly wasn't Kate's decision. And no one seriously believes the reason put out by her lawyers - that the anticipated flotilla of media and paparazzi following the dragon boat constituted a danger to shipping - is the whole story.
She has had to get used to the cameras following her wherever she goes
Diana's problems haunt her memorial as much as they troubled her life
The real reason, you might think, was that Kate Middleton was in danger of antagonising the public by her selective approach to personal publicity, and that since she is back with Prince William, this is hazardous for the royals.
The pivotal moment was when she posed for a Hello! magazine photoshoot of the Sisterhood in training, all push-up bra and careful make-up. After that, she was hardly in a position to decide when she considered her privacy was being invaded and when it wasn't.
Kate looking regal at a ball last year
At least pulling out of the Sisterhood did confirm rumours that Kate and William were together again, which had first started after they were seen kissing at a fancy dress ball in Dorset.
But who would be in Kate's position now? Instead of taking up where she and William left off, she is now in a semi-official state of suspension that could go on for years.
How many more highprofile visits to the Mahiki nightclub can we expect while William is away on Army training? There will be more lonely nights when the future king leaves the Blues and Royals later this year and moves on to the RAF for a three-month attachment. This will be followed by a further three months with the Royal Navy. After that, there are plans for him to do a stint at the Foreign Office.
Kate must decide just how she wants to be seen - if at all - during his enforced absences. No one who leaves Mahiki at 3am can be unaware of the paparazzi photographers who are always there.
This was why, during their split, she got a reputation as a publicityseeker, but worse, one who sought to have control over the cameras she always seemed to be courting. Other girls might, of course, have retreated into the social shadows while their wounds healed, but Kate showed no signs of being hurt.
"She's a clever girl. She looked good before, but after they split she went out of her way to make sure she looked even better - sexier - than ever in those short skirts,' says one of William's older friends.
"He certainly noticed, I can assure you, but that isn't what brought him back. He missed her. Remember, they'd been together for around four years and he was used to her being around when he needed her - I suppose he's like his father in that respect. Isn't that why Camilla always kept herself available for over 30 years?"
Clearly, Kate is no Camilla. But like Camilla, she is seen by William's friends as being shrewd. Throughout the months they were apart, she took care to be seen dancing with young men who were William's friends, never his rivals.
Kate's effortless style has been endlessly praised
"If she'd once gone out with someone else, that would have been it," says William's friend. "It must have meant she believed he might come back to her - and he did."
To some close observers, their reunion indicates a prince who is not quite the young man of independent mind that he likes to portray. One dowager, who is close to the royals, believes that William "has to marry her now...he would look so foolish if, after all this, he left her again".
The entire episode has been a risky gambit for the girl from the village of Bucklebury, Berkshire, because in the eyes of the Queen, while keeping herself on-station for William and making no faux pas, she emerged as someone who "doesn't actually do anything".
Older observers close to the royals have, surprisingly, even invoked the memory of Diana when discussing Kate and William, suggesting there are worrying similarities in the way Kate Middleton has shown a "manipulative" side.
This is hardly fair to a young woman who suddenly found herself precariously slung halfway between being a VIP with intimate royal connections and just another girl. Moreover, it is a view that is positively not shared by the Queen, who sees in Kate's uncomplicated and divorce-free domestic background something sound and solid which mirrors that of Prince Edward's wife Sophie, to whom she is close.
She and Philip urged William to exercise caution. Instead, with a touch of his late mother's headstrong approach to love, William has thrown caution to the wind.
For Michael and Carole Middleton, their daughter's revitalised position drags them back into the discomforts of those cruel observations about them being "middleclass" - as though that in itself, to those who pirouette around Prince William is a graceless state.
To their credit, the Middletons have maintained a discreet silence throughout a period which, for them, must have been close to a crisis. A hard-working couple who have made a big success of their internet goods company, they absorbed the sadistic barbs with dignity and refused entreaties to hit back at their critics, mainly people who had achieved little in life beyond birth itself.
And now? After the dramas, a little peace. As the royals continue their summer gathering at Balmor@l, William and Kate are taking a holiday, slipping away to somewhere ultra private, without the hordes of friends who usually accompany them. It must be love.

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Kate, Wills… and the other woman!

August 19, 2010, 4:18 pm newidea

Wills is set to make the same mistake as his father and marry the wrong girl. We reveal the shocking royal love triangle between Wills, Kate and his first love...

Kate, Wills… and the other woman!

In a revealing interview that’s set to rock the monarchy, a member of Prince William’s inner circle exposes the young royal’s darkest secrets: his flings, his loathing of royal duties and the real reason he’s stalling over marrying girlfriend Kate Middleton – he’s still in love with Jessica ‘Jecca’ Craig, the woman named as his ‘true soulmate’.

William’s long-time friend and confidante Tamara tells New Idea exclusively that the 28-year-old heir to the throne is set to repeat his father’s biggest mistake and marry the wrong woman. Just as Prince Charles wed Diana and kept his lover Camilla Parker Bowles waiting in the wings, Wills is caught in a messy love triangle between Kate and his first love, African-born Jecca, 27.

According to Tamara, Wills is in regular contact by phone, text message and email with his ex-girlfriend, who is single after calling off her engagement to British aristocrat Hugh Crossley. He’s also met with her several times in London and her native Kenya. He is ‘definitely’ still in love with her and has been since he was 19.

‘She was his first real true love and he’s not the type of person who gets over that,’ Tamara says, speaking out for the first time.

The Wills-and-Jecca love story seems to be the Charles-and-Camilla saga repeated.

‘It’s sad in a way that Kate Middleton exists, because they’d be a sweet couple,’ Tamara says. She thinks Wills would be making a huge blunder marrying Kate, because it’s obvious to his friends – and brother Prince Harry – that Jecca is ‘definitely his soulmate’.

‘Harry sees how much his brother loves her and cares about her so of course he respects her and likes her as well,’ Tamara adds. ‘[Jecca is] fairly open and incredibly nice and intelligent.’

Wills’ reluctance to propose to Kate, who he’s dated on and off since 2003, comes as no surprise to those who know about Jecca. Even less surprising is news that Jecca didn’t return to Kenya as expected after breaking up with Hugh and has lingered on in London.

Tamara believes protocol is the main thing keeping the pair apart. ‘I’m surprised they aren’t dating right now – I guess because he has to stick with Kate and Jecca has just ended her engagement,’ she says.

‘She kind of broke it off [the contact with Wills] for a while, especially when she was engaged. I think she was expecting him to get engaged soon and she didn’t want to be looped in with the marriage and become a Camilla sort of thing. And of course she thought she’d be getting married.

‘But when [Jecca and Hugh] broke up, a lot of people said: “Well now that she’s free, maybe William will make a move.”

‘About two weeks ago I was in discussion with who says Jecca isn’t really keen on taking up a job in London because it’ll be too much publicity, too much of a temptation. And of course William can’t exactly move to Africa.’

Jessica 'Jecca' Craig

Free spirit

In the UK, Jecca is often jokingly called Wills’ ‘former fiancee’ – a reference to a ‘pretend engagement’ game they played when he stayed at her parents’ Lewa wildlife reserve during his 2001 gap year. British newspaper The Daily Telegraph reported it was ‘an open secret he had a fairly serious fling’ with Jecca.

When speculation about the relationship heated up in 2003, royal minders took the unusual step of issuing a formal statement insisting the pair had never dated. The palace had never done this for other rumours and the media concluded Wills wanted to protect Jecca from public scrutiny. Shortly after, she was Wills’ guest of honour at his African-themed 21st birthday party at Windsor Castle.

‘She was sitting at his right hand in a position normally reserved for a serious girlfriend, wife or fiancee,’ Tamara recalls.

According to Tamara, Wills has never recovered from splitting with Jecca over different priorities – his destiny is the throne and she is a free spirit.

‘Jecca’s family has a place in Kenya and William has always loved Africa. He loves the freedom of it,’ Tamara explains.

‘Between Jecca and Africa, I think he fell in love with both. But she’s used to freedom and cut him off and said: “I don’t want that kind of life.” She doesn’t want to live the life of a princess. She wants to have a real career. You can’t do that if you’re married to a future king.’

Wills was devastated by the end of the romance and threw himself into life at St Andrews University. Tamara says the split prompted Wills into many flings.

‘He dated a lot of girls at St Andrews the press never seemed to report on. He was confused – which is kind of stupid, because it seems obvious why Jecca wouldn’t want to be in a serious relationship with him. But he couldn’t seem to wrap his mind around it,’ she says.

Wills met Kate at St Andrews and romance appeared to blossom. But after five years of what seemed a serious courtship, they split in April 2007. Tamara says Wills was quick to look for other prospects.

‘He put out feelers towards other girls besides Jecca to see if anyone was interested and he got really battered down,’ Tamara says.

‘I think he’s losing his looks – he’s going bald and is looking more “Windsorish”. Most of the girls he’d marry or date are engaged or married already.’

But that didn’t stop Wills.

‘There are seven or eight girls he’s had flings with. But Kate doesn’t really care. She knows she’ll get the ultimate prize – the wedding and the title,’ Tamara says. ‘I think maybe she cared when they first left university and she had a thing about having an engagement ring immediately. But as time’s gone by she’s relaxed.’

William’s bevy of past women consists of ‘girls he’s known for a while, so he knows they’re not going to be saying anything about him publicly’, explains the 29-year-old, who has been a part of Wills’ royal inner circle since meeting as teenagers at a party at Eton. ‘They’re protecting their social status as much as he is.’

But Tamara predicts Kate won’t tolerate flirting once they marry, ‘because there’s a huge difference between having some fun when you have a girlfriend compared to when you’re married’.

Keep enemies close

Kate and Jecca have met on several social occasions. In 2005, Wills even took Kate on an African holiday, with Jecca as their guide. Tamara says the relationship between the two love rivals is ‘very polite’.

‘Of course Kate is always on the lookout for any kind of thing that seems screwy,’ Tamara says. ‘She was looking forward to Jecca getting married because she thought that would be the end of it.

‘I think she was jealous, but I don’t think she sees a reason to be anymore. I think Kate pretty much knows that nothing will keep her from marrying that man.’

Tamara is ‘99 per cent sure’ Wills will deny his feelings for Jecca and marry Kate, but he’ll delay it for as long as possible.

‘I don’t think it will happen for another year at least, maybe two years. He’s going to enjoy every last thing he can out of the military beforehand.

‘I know he’s happy that he’s getting to stay in the air force for another however many years before going straight to royal duties. That’s the only reason I think he ever joined the military… He’s not shy about how he doesn’t like the official stuff. He’s been listening to his father complain about the daily duties and how boring it is.
‘That’s another reason to keep from getting married. The second he has a wife he’ll be expected to go out and do things together – not hide

away from anyone.’

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Kate Middleton: Why the Duchess was VERY jealous of Prince William and another woman

KATE MIDDLETON, 37, and Prince William, 36, have been married for eight years and now have three little children - but there was a time when the royal couple were not so happy. A royal expert has revealed how Prince William ‘hurt’ Kate during their break-up.

By HARRIET MALLINSON

14:56, Sat, Jan 26, 2019 | UPDATED: 16:21, Sat, Jan 26, 2019

www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1078174/kate-middleton-prince-william-duchess-cambridge-break-up-anna-sloan
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The Middletons are no different to the Kardashians says Kate and William's new anti-monarchy local Labour MP who turned down the chance to meet the Queen

Emma Dent Coad MP said Middletons were like the American reality TV family

Constituency includes Kensington Palace, where Prince William and Kate live

Miss Dent Coad even claimed that Beckhams would make more suitable royals

Comes as Middletons returned to Wimbledon on Sunday for 17th combined visit

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PUBLISHED: 19:25 EDT, 16 July 2017 | UPDATED: 00:42 EDT, 17 July 2017

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701832/The-Middletons-no-different-Kardashians.html#ixzz4n2qdWjaQ
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archive link RoyalGossip: archive.is/uXR75#selection-1728.8-1889.198

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5/16/15 2:30am

UGH.
I have SO MANY Kate Middleton stories.
All I can say is UGH.

DONT HOLD OUT ON US.
DISH!

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5/16/15 2:55am

Ok. Ok. Oi. I can’t believe I’m doing this.

So, I was at St Andrews while Prince William (henceforth, P-dubya) was there. That was a difficult year, because, for us olds, he had publicized his decision to go to St A’s and then taken a gap year, so there was a full year of applications from wannabe Princesses. This meant that the gender dynamic for 2001 was totally f#cked (like, 80/20 in the Humanities) and, in particular, his original courses which..I know Art History was one...and I think Geography?

Anyway, my dear friend, during our second year, has a class. And her tutorial, once a week, took place in the professors office. The lecture was twice a week, in a big lecture hall, with hundreds of students, but the tutorial was only ten students in the professors office. She could always tell where P-Dubya was seated, because there were rows and rows and rows of blond heads all around, in front, behind, and next to him.

She goes to the first day of the tutorial, and is standing in the hallway, waiting for the professor to open the door. There are several other students waiting. The professor was always late letting students in, and there were no chairs in the hallway, so people would chat and be friendly as they waited.

EXCEPT for this one, very thin, brunette. My friend (let’s call her Tina) recognized her as one of the ‘followers’ of P-Dubya. But my friend was from a country far far away and couldn’t have given a *poo* (her country had given up the monarchy long ago).

So, Tina has a few tutorials, and she notices that the thin brunette always sits int eh chair next to her. But she never talked to anyone. Tina noticed, however, that the skinny brunette would always look over at her paper, and copy down her answers to the weekly assignments. Tina is super smart and always has all the answers, and is also an arty, anti-establishment person, so she didn’t care. In fact, one week, she went up to the skinny brunette and flat out offered her her assignment, because they had 10 minutes to kill before the professor opened the door, and why not? Skinny brunette looked down her nose at her, said, “I don’t know what you mean” and returned to texting smugly.

Well, no one f#cks with Tina. So, the next week, Tina wrote 2 separate assignments. The first one, the actual one, had the answers. The second one was fake. I mean, really fake. She told me she was doing this, and we came up with the most ridiculous bullshit.

Q: When was Pearl Harbor?
A: 1492

I mean, really stupid. Like, NO ONE would believe those answers were real. So class time rolls around, and Tina waits in the hallway with the others. Skinny brunette comes, doesn’t talk to anyone. Door opens, Tina sits. Skinny sits next to her. Tina puts her fake assignment on top, to the corner of her desk. Skinny looks over, obviously copies word by word. Not even blinking.

The assignments were handed in. Tina told me she didn’t know what grade skinny got, and that was one of the last tutorials of the year, so she didn’t have much interaction after that.

TL/DR- Cate is rude, plagiarizes assignments, and dumber than a box of hair.

5/16/15 3:12am

And her plan from the off was to snag a prince, rather than an education anyway according to a friend I have who was also there at the time, so this makes sense.

5/16/15 4:45am

I just knew she was dumb (because she can’t speak to save her life). So pleased to hear this story.

5/16/15 6:53am

TL/DR- Cate is rude, plagiarizes assignments, and dumber than a box of hair.
Can confirm. I chatted with a prof at St. Andrews who had Kate as a student and he told me, “she wrote one good paper. I suspected plagiarism, but could never prove it.” He didn’t think much of her.

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The British Royal Family *Windsor* => Diana, Princess of Wales => Topic started by: spookyboo on November 10, 2010, 12:01:39 am

Title: Random Chat

Post by: spookyboo on November 10, 2010, 12:01:39 am

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Came across this from a member @ another forum, thought it sounded intesting but no one seems to be discussing it there thought I'd try here... would it be interesting to do, would you go?

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Fans of Lady Di will love this Mediterranean cruise. Join bestselling author Eric Hamilton Wilson and his wife Flo on Holland America Line's beautiful ms Nieuw Amsterdam for a spectacular 12-day cruise from Venice to Barcelona, departing on June 3, 2011.

for more info: Booking Website (http://www.bobhorner.cruiseshipcenters.ca/Promotions.aspx)

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Post by: YooperModerator on November 10, 2010, 12:40:08 am

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Maybe I would :think:

But the price is a bit high for me at the moment :legs

Still gotta pay my taxes! :sigh: :angry:

Is the book any good?

BTW Did you notice: the advertisements here are gone! :spooky:

You rock, TCP!!!

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Title: Princess Diana featured in comic strip

Post by: Princess Alucard on February 23, 2011, 03:41:14 pm

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Didn't know where to put this properly.

Feb 23rd strip

comics.com/pearls_before_swine/ (http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/)

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Title: Di-hard Trivia: How Much Do You Know About Charles and Di's Wedding?

Post by: Nighthawk on March 04, 2011, 08:12:41 am

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Di-hard Trivia: How Much Do You Know About Charles and Di's Wedding?

tlc.howstuffworks.com/weddings/charles-diana-wedding-quiz1.htm

was a cool quiz to take enjoy doing this if you decide to test your knowledge :thumbsup:

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Post by: YooperModerator on March 05, 2011, 12:20:27 am

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I did it !

31 right answers out of 50

That 62%

Not bad for someone who wasn't even so much as planned when that wedding happened! ('81 I'm from '85)

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Title: India Hicks Shares Princess Diana Memories and Launches Crabtree

Post by: Nighthawk on March 15, 2011, 03:55:45 am

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India Hicks Shares Princess Diana Memories and Launches Crabtree & Evelyn Flor@l Fragrance Collection

www.stylelist.com/2011/03/14/india-hicks-princess-diana-crabtree-and-evelyn-flor@l-fragrance-collection/

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Creative partner India Hicks, whose family history is rich in the tapestry of royalty, spoke of her most cherished fragrance moments. The daughter of Lady Pamela Mountbatten, she is second cousin to Charles, Prince of Wales, and served as bridesmaid to Diana, Princess of Wales, at her legendary nuptials.

In fact, it was time spent with Princess Diana that gave Hicks her first real fragrance memory.

"I first met Diana at the age of 13. Diana always wore tea rose. I had never thought about the feminine aspect of fragrance until I met her," said Hicks.

Tea rose was such a signature scent for the late princess, that she even wore it the day the whole world was watching.

"I distinctly remember Diana's tea rose scent on the day of her wedding. Charles had asked her to carry a yellow bantam rose in her bouquet in memory of my grandfather," said Hicks of Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of India. "I now have that rose as a paperweight I keep on my desk," added Hicks.

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Title: UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE

Post by: June on March 18, 2011, 06:34:52 am

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1367451/What-Diana-faked-death-living-false-identity-small-town-America.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1367451/What-Diana-faked-death-living-false-identity-small-town-America.html)

Well, Diana would be a good company - after all there is James Dean, Elvis and goodness knows who else ... :whistle:

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Title: Re: UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE

Post by: mousiekins on March 18, 2011, 03:26:15 pm

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Should I bother to read it because I saw the headline and :rolleyes: :blabla:

is it worth it?

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Title: Re: UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE

Post by: Lanvin Pearls on March 18, 2011, 09:59:56 pm

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June - I was just going to post this !

BTW did anyone (like her brother ) , besides Charles, actually SEE her in her casket ?

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Post by: June on March 19, 2011, 02:10:03 am

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:lips: @ LP: yes, I was wondering why it hadn't been posted - I'm usually a bit slow. :sigh:

Mousie: no, I wouldn't bother - it's a fictional account, which got me in at first. Lots of authors write fiction about a theory, so as to avoid legal and other problems, I guess. And, also, so they don't come across as crazy, I suppose! :tehe:

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Post by: Wombat on March 19, 2011, 05:05:17 am

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Living in small town America and Diana just don't sound like they meld. Diana faking her own death and living on a paradise island somewhere in the Carribean sounds fesible :laugh:

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Title: The Untold Story of Princess Diana is lacking taste

Post by: Nighthawk on March 25, 2011, 01:41:34 pm

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The Untold Story of Princess Diana is lacking taste

www.thisislondon.co.uk/lifestyle/book/article-23935279-the-untold-story-is-lacking-taste.do

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It is easy to see why the death of Diana, Princess of Wales is material for a mystery thriller. The internet sags under the weight of conspiracies and the memory of her has not faded.

As the wedding of Diana's son and heir approaches, it is tempting to imagine what she would be like if she were still alive.

The greater mystery is why Monica Ali would seize on these sentimental regrets to devise a plot in which Princess Diana fakes a drowning accident in order start a new life, as Lydia, in small-town America.

In a recent interview, the author spoke defensively about her choice of an "unserious" subject. Diana is worthy of her because Ali is drawn to drama and conflict.

The author also said that she wished to explore the Reggie Perrin impulse to escape and begin again. This fantasy is her tribute to Princess Diana.

I detect an anxiety within her argument and it is a well-founded one. The fatal flaw in this novel is one of taste, which is somehow made worse because Ali is a distinguished novelist rather than a workaday hack. Diana did not disappear in an unsolved death. She died visibly and horribly in a car accident. To suggest any alternative scenario smacks not of authorial imagination but of Mohamed Al Fayed.

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Title: Re: UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE

Post by: Duchess Georgiana on March 26, 2011, 11:48:55 pm

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Preposterous! Princess Diana loved her boys too much to do such a thing!

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Title: Re: UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE

Post by: golden_heart on May 10, 2011, 07:12:19 pm

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She is not alive ! Do you think she will leave her children with the Royal Family and won't appeared all those years?

Well,how I see,Elvis Presley is alive too by this logic :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: but in heaven maybe....not here.I want Diana alive,but unfortunatelly this fairytale had unhappy ending !

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Title: The return of the butler: How Paul Burrell is alone and back in England

Post by: Alexandrine on June 25, 2011, 01:47:10 pm

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The return of the butler: How Paul Burrell is alone and back in England running a florist's and is STILL obsessed with Diana

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2007975/The-return-butler-How-Paul-Burrell-England-running-florists-STILL-obsessed-Diana.html#ixzz1QI85odx6

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Title: Re: The return of the butler: How Paul Burrell is alone and back in England

Post by: Dahlia on June 25, 2011, 11:38:34 pm

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What a fool :cookie:

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Title: We will never forget how Princess Diana made us feel

Post by: Alexandrine on June 27, 2011, 11:51:12 pm

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We will never forget how Princess Diana made us feel

Read more: www.montrealgazette.com/will+never+forget+Princess+Diana+made+feel/5011439/story.html#ixzz1QWH7qlZO

:sob:

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Title: Re: We will never forget how Princess Diana made us feel
Post by: Yooper on June 28, 2011, 02:33:18 am
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I'm sorry I can't read the article from here, but I can say that PD made me feel hopeful and somehow made me the better person I am now than I might have been. I never, maybe, have dug in so firmly on charitable giving as a profession. When I heard that she rouched AIDS patients, it changed my perception. It was easy to judge then. Her influence also made me more of a proactive mother. My children say, to this day, that bringing their discarded toys to other children at Christmas changed them forever. Say what you will, she was a Champion. I, personally, can't thank her enough. I brought my kids up well but somehow she shot it up a notch to 'get involved'. She was a gift, to me.

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Post by: Ella on June 30, 2011, 10:08:13 pm
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:shy: I read it. I was curious!!

This book came out Tuesday in the US. I thought it was awful. Like so awful, I almost wanted to go to Barnes and Noble (book store) and whine. Then I realized the store people would know I bought and read it so I felt too ashamed and didn't. :thumbsdown:

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Title: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: ariadne on July 10, 2011, 04:03:14 pm
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Lets write down our dreams about Princess Diana :hug: She is still our princess in our hearts and dreams :flower:

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
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:hello: I had a couple but that was like a year ago.She was wearing a light pink cardigan sweater and light blue jeans and she was walking really fast and people were walking behind her.She just kept smiling and seemed happy with a beautiful smile on her face.It was a pretty quick dream.

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: NicOfCA on July 18, 2011, 10:45:02 am
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Sounds beautiful as well as detailed, dear Magnolia. Sounds just like something she would wear

I however remain awaiting my first dream visitation with the special Princess Lady

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: Magnolia on July 26, 2011, 03:23:14 am
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Thnxs NicOFCA. :thankyou: Yes you prob will dream of her one day. :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: NicOfCA on August 05, 2011, 07:32:28 pm
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...still waiting. William, on the other hand -- I've dreamed of him! The funniest one was in a restaurant, & I kissed his hand! We both looked at each other like -- did she really just do that?? I said, "Well, I wanted to kiss you, & I figured that's the only appropriate place." I love Diana's son so much :loveshower:

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Title: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on August 31, 2011, 08:10:37 pm
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August is The Cruellest Month - The Lasting Legacy of Princess Diana
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For many it is August, not April, which is the cruellest month. The followers of Diana Princess of Wales, who died on 31 August 1997, have not diminished in number but increased in the years since that unspeakable end in a Paris underpass. At this time of year new generations - less critical, less informed, but just as eager - rest in the shelter of her lengthy shadow, and ponder her legacy.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christopher-wilson/august-is-the-cruellest-m_b_942404.html

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Post by: Alexandrine on September 19, 2011, 01:25:42 pm
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The day a young Diana fretted about her dress before Princess Grace told her, 'Don't worry, it'll only get worse': Craig Brown on the most extraordinary encounters of the last century

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2038995/Princess-Diana-fretted-dress-Princess-Grace-told-Itll-worse.html#ixzz1YOtvhDfh

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: YooperModerator on September 19, 2011, 10:25:14 pm
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Sorry to say it but neither princess looks smashing in this picture, : hide

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gosh look at those huge shoulderpuffs grace has! :-
But then again it was the eighties! :James:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: leogirl on September 19, 2011, 10:49:00 pm
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They were considered very fashionable at the time. Of course we wouldn't wear those clothes now; the photos were taken 30 years ago.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on October 14, 2011, 06:33:02 pm
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This is her will livingtrustnetwork.com/estate-planning-center/last-will-and-testament/wills-of-the-rich-and-famous/last-will-and-testament-of-princess-diana.html but it's all about her trustees nothing about how she divided her money, so that is not public?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on October 31, 2011, 09:00:46 pm
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Does anyone know the details of Diana patching things up with her grandmother, Lady Ruth? Did Ruth ever apologize? Don't know why I'm thinking about this today.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Contessa on November 01, 2011, 11:29:41 am
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I've read that Will bedore and not for the first time have I wondered if it's really hers.
And what is a chattel?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Gwendolyn on November 01, 2011, 11:36:31 am
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Chattel is miscellaneous personal property, excluding real property (land).

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Contessa on November 03, 2011, 04:51:27 am
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Ah, thanks.

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Post by: Alexandrine on November 22, 2011, 05:28:18 pm
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RUSSELL GRANT: MY FRIEND DIANA WAS MURDERED

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/285218/Russell-Grant-My-friend-Diana-was-murdered

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: golden_heart on November 28, 2011, 06:11:21 pm
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When I dreamed her once or twice,I remember I always imagine her as a alive person,maybe because I do not want Diana dead.....I want her alive and it appears in my dreams..... I know is impossible,but I am happy then :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: Tatiana on November 28, 2011, 10:59:33 pm
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Not long after her funeral I dreamt I was helping her to pack her clothes into trunks, she was laughing at some of the outfits, and ended up taking a lot less than were there. It was a lovely sunny morning, and we were in KP.

I have not dreamt of her since, sadly.

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Title: Re: Dreams about Princess Diana
Post by: Black Queen on December 03, 2011, 05:21:30 pm
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I've never dreamed about her until recently where we were both heading to a party maybe a charity event she was so beautiful she had on a blue flowing dress with her back out and as we were going up the stairs she asked what was wrong with me, just because I'm not a party girl doesn't me that i can't enjoy myself once in a while lol i don't remember the rest of the dream but i knew i enjoyed myself.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on December 08, 2011, 10:49:47 pm
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The Fame Monster: Lady Gaga fears she will meet her fate the same way as Princess Diana after being hounded by 'crazies'

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2071454/Lady-Gaga-fears-meet-fate-way-Princess-Diana-hounded-crazies.html#ixzz1fzDAIDhh

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Post by: Princess Alucard on January 19, 2012, 03:43:51 am
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Globe Magazine

ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65857094.html (http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65857094.html)

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Post by: YooperModerator on January 19, 2012, 10:11:15 pm
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:rolleyes:
sure.... I believe it!! :laugh: 'sarcastic'

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on February 04, 2012, 05:38:23 pm
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Princess Diana Visits Herbert Armstrong

www.thetrumpet.com/9081.7865.0.0/religion/wcg/princess-diana-visits-herbert-armstrong

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Post by: Alexandrine on February 10, 2012, 07:05:40 pm
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"Dearest Raine...": Princess Diana handwritten letters to her stepmother to be auctioned

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-handwritten-letters-to-her-stepmother-681012#.TzVm6jf-mR0.twitter

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: HC on February 10, 2012, 07:

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Scary that Russel Grant think she was murdered.
And because of her relation to Dodi?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on February 10, 2012, 09:26:26 pm
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1.The girl looks a lot like her :spy:.

2.Lady Gaga needs to go away so sick of her.

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Post by: YooperModerator on February 10, 2012, 11:38:48 pm
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That's what they got photoshop for!
It's her face merged with someone's head!

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Post by: Alexandrine on February 13, 2012, 04:00:08 pm
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjI4p8_NZVc

min 1:00 :tehe:

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Post by: YooperModerator on February 13, 2012, 04:08:32 pm
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:laugh: :tehe:
At first I thought she did like the blablabla-handsign!
www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/bla-bla-emoticon.gif

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Post by: Alexandrine on February 13, 2012, 04:12:51 pm
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I knew you would like it! :tehe:

I need someone to make a gif of that

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Post by: Albany on April 08, 2012, 12:51:20 am
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I was wondering if anyone had links to the articles the Daily Mail, Telegraph, and other British papers wrote the day after Diana's infamous Panorama interview?

I've looked on the papers' websites, and searched their archives, but they don't seem to have anything earlier than 2000.

It would be interesting to read the reactions and criticisms of that interview when it first aired. Can anyone help?

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Post by: Jane23 on April 08, 2012, 10:17:55 am
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True I would like to read the "reviews" at the time of that interview too ...

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Post by: Tatiana on April 09, 2012, 04:58:42 am
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Quote from: Albany on April 08, 2012, 12:51:20 am
I was wondering if anyone had links to the articles the Daily Mail, Telegraph, and other British papers wrote the day after Diana's infamous Panorama interview?

I've looked on the papers' websites, and searched their archives, but they don't seem to have anything earlier than 2000.

It would be interesting to read the reactions and criticisms of that interview when it first aired. Can anyone help?

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DM deletes comments in many of their royal stories, they jump sides quite regularly.

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Post by: Tatiana on April 09, 2012, 05:39:48 am
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My reaction, when I saw the interview on Panorama, was sadness and shock.

Like many of my peers, we knew there had been issues, but we always expected Diana to be Queen Consort.

She was very good at her "job", and she would have done well.

Charles had already slipped off his pedistal, when he did the Dimbelby Interview, one year before.

Many were not impressed by Charles by then.

Old ladies and bread rolls come to mind.

I just felt very sorry for her, and her sons.

I believe, to this day, Diana wanted the marriage to end, and to tell her side of the story, and hoped it would help her to keep her children, HM could have taken her children from her, and Diana knew it. She wanted everything "out" so she could be free from RF and from Press.. sadly it didnt work out that way.

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Post by: YooperModerator on April 09, 2012, 12:40:59 pm
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Do you or anyone else have the actual papers from that time still?
(maybe the library has it on microfilm :think:) I would love to read the printed readers letters in reaction to the situation!
not just the headline covers but the actual response of columnists, editors, journo's and readers ya know
I want a real paper from that time damned! heck it doesn't have to be a sun or DM, a guardian or times would do! lol
ahh to have a time machine.... :sigh:

articles.latimes.com/1995-11-21/news/mn-5616_1_princess-diana
www.thepeoplehistory.com/november20th.html

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Post by: Dahlia on April 09, 2012, 08:15:18 pm
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I just can give you New York Times articles :sorry:

Before it was aired

www.nytimes.com/1995/11/15/style/chronicle-039365.html?scp=734&sq=princess+wales&st=nyt
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By NADINE BROZAN
Published: November 15, 1995

Could the PRINCESS OF WALES be turning into the quintessential talk show guest?

London newspapers were full of reports yesterday that the BBC is about to broadcast an hourlong television interview that MARTIN BASHIR, a reporter, conducted with her at Kensington Palace last month.

The Evening Standard reported that the Princess talked openly to Mr. Bashir about the disintegration of her marriage, her struggles with eating disorders, reports of suicide attempts, her friendships with married men like Will Carling, the captain of England's rugby team, and Oliver Hoare, an art dealer, and relationships with her in-laws. The interview will be broadcast Monday evening on the weekly current affairs program "Panorama."

News of the interview came as a surprise to THE PRINCE OF WALES, who was celebrating his 47th birthday. He is in Germany and an aide said, "He is completely shocked." Eighteen months ago, he acknowledged in a television interview that he had been unfaithful to Diana.

Although Queen Elizabeth is normally consulted when a member of the royal family gives an interview, Diana did not inform her until yesterday. As they say, stay tuned. .

London Journal;As 15 Million Watch, Diana Relives Painful Years
By SARAH LYALL
Published: November 21, 1995

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www.nytimes.com/1995/11/21/world/london-journal-as-15-million-watch-diana-relives-painful-years.html?scp=736&sq=princess+wales&st=nyt

Diana's Soul-Baring Interview Draws Tory Calls for Divorce
By SARAH LYALL
Published: November 23, 1995

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www.nytimes.com/1995/11/23/world/diana-s-soul-baring-interview-draws-tory-calls-for-divorce.html?scp=740&sq=princess+wales&st=nyt
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Diana's interview, which was watched by 21 million people in Britain, 6 million more than the British Broadcasting Corporation had estimated earlier, put her mother-in-law, Queen Elizabeth, in a difficult position. Because Diana is wildly popular -- in a poll of 15,000 people, 83 percent said the television appearance had shown her in a good light -- the Queen cannot afford to criticize her publicly, particularly because, implicit in Diana's remarks, was the accusation that the Royal Family had not supported her in the early, bewildering years of her marriage.

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Diana, Royal Icon
Published: November 29, 1995

To the Editor:

Re A. N. Wilson's "What the Princess Is Up To" (Op-Ed, Nov. 25): I doubt the Princess of Wales intended to unravel the monarchy by exposing its foibles in the BBC interview. Like any celebrity under scrutiny, she wanted to set the record straight on who did what to whom. But in seeking retribution against her husband's side, she has indeed encouraged her adoring public to join the bandwagon against the Establishment.

I disagree with Mr. Wilson that if she continues to rock the boat, "the Establishment will simply get rid of her, as they got rid of Edward and Mrs. Simpson." Diana is an unprecedented phenomenon. Slandering her husband's camp may push her out of the Establishment's good graces but never the public's. She is an icon in a world where icons are not easily forgotten.

JOANNA DREIFUS New York, Nov. 27, 1995

I will look for British newspapers.

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The Divorce

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Opinions are divided over what would happen, however, should Charles decide he wants to remarry, since the Church of England does not technically recognize the right of divorced people to remarry in the church. As a practical matter the objection is often overridden and many priests perform marriages of divorced people in churches, arguing that they are doing so in a civil capacity.

But the same fig leaf might not easily apply to Charles, since upon becoming King, he would also become head of the church or "Defender of the Faith." In recent years, a few clerics have argued that because he is the spiritual leader, it would be incorrect for him to become King with a new bride or to remarry as King.

A critical voice in this situation would be that of the Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey. Church officials said tonight that the Archbishop had been consulted before the Queen sent the letters urging the royal couple to divorce, and that he had presumably given his approval to their contents

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Post by: Cressida on April 10, 2012, 04:05:41 pm
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I recall Nicholas Soames on Newsnight after the Panorama programme was aired saying Diana was showing signs of paranoia. It really annoyed me - he was in Charles' camp and his statement just underlined how much they were trying to make Diana look like an unstable idiot. Diana was an intelligent albeit poorly educated woman, who was treated appallingly by her husband and his cronies - anyone in that situation would have been desperate for some affection and to be liked! She must have felt so isolated, no wonder she relied on her sons so much.

I remember the papers were a mixture of praise for Diana and criticism for some of her comments like saying Charles shouldn't be king. Her eye make up was also criticised.

However polls conducted at the time indicated that a big majority of people had sympathy for Diana.

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Post by: True Brit on April 10, 2012, 04:19:

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Hello Cressida and welcome :flower:

Yes I recall "Fatty" Soames being wheeled out as the mouthpiece to comment on Diana's sanity.

It's being raised again over on the Daily Telelgraph in the comments re their two stories about Camilla's gong and there are a couple of comments saying Diana was bonkers but they are being countered by others (men incidentally) in her support.

I also recall that the Archbishop of Canterbury at the time, Dr George Carey advised the Queen to allow the divorce as he said they had nothing in common and the rift was irreperable.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on April 10, 2012, 04:23:51 pm
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:hello:

And thank you! I *despise* it when Diana is dismissed as a loon, it is so unfair and so untrue!

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on May 07, 2012, 08:22:54 pm
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From Bob Dylan to Beethoven, Princess Diana's eclectic childhood record collection goes under the hammer

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2140738/Princess-Dianas-eclectic-childhood-record-collection-goes-hammer.html#ixzz1uDILFU3X

I don't know if this can be legit.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on May 12, 2012, 09:49:40 pm
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Richard Palmer ‏ @royalreporter
Princess Diana's lover Dr Hasnat Khan is the latest victim of phone hacking to come forward, according to a report tonight.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Princess Alucard on May 21, 2012, 03:47:33 am
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:easter-sly: Just watched family guy and in Viewer's Mail #2 ep , they does a harsh joke about Diana's crash but uses HM instead. Didn't know whether to post this in HM's thread or both

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Mooster on July 05, 2012, 09:03:42 am
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I wonder if Diana would have been more suited to Andrew? He was closer in age to her, more affectionate and fun loving. I had read that she was tipped as a possible bride for him before Charles. I think the only problem would have been that he was away at sea for long periods - I'm not sure Diana could have coped with that.

Would her impact have been the same, if she had been Duchess of York rather than Princess of Wales? IMO, her charisma during engagements and charity work would have shone through regardless of whether she was with Charles or Andrew.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on July 05, 2012, 11:04:55 pm
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I'm reading about Diana's family because of the blind item and it's so confusing!

Her sister married her stepmother nephew, her sister in law married a van Cutsem and in wiki it says that Cartland admitted that Raine in reality was the daughter of the Duke of Kent

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Title: The Turning Point for Princess Diana
Post by: Alexandrine on August 30, 2012, 04:39:39 pm
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The Turning Point for Princess Diana

www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/royals/the-turning-point-for-princess-diana/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=yourls

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on September 21, 2012, 06:37:18 pm
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anyone knows what is this one about www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr-7H8Btg9I&feature=related ? Diana cries in the end

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on September 21, 2012, 07:40:37 pm
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This was the footage of Charles leaving for Australia during the engagement. At the time everyone said it was because Diana was upset he was going away, but she later said it was because she had heard him on the phone to Camilla saying he loved her just before he left.

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Post by: serene grace on September 21, 2012, 08:52:37 pm
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Quote from: Mooster on July 05, 2012, 09:03:42 am
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I wonder if Diana would have been more suited to Andrew? He was closer in age to her, more affectionate and fun loving. I had read that she was tipped as a possible bride for him before Charles. I think the only problem would have been that he was away at sea for long periods - I'm not sure Diana could have coped with that.

Would her impact have been the same, if she had been Duchess of York rather than Princess of Wales? IMO, her charisma during engagements and charity work would have shone through regardless of whether she was with Charles or Andrew.

I always believed that she and Andrew would have been good together.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on September 21, 2012, 09:06:24 pm
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I have a few things to say about the Diana/Andrew thing.

1. While at the exhibition in Althorp, they had an old diary of Diana's (1979?) open with extracts you could see. I stood and read them all, she was writing about Andrew and how she had been out for a walk and managed to spot him and wave at him. I suspect she had a bit of a crush on him in her teens, probably because he was around her age and I know that at least early on in the marriage she was friendly with him. She said she felt sorry for him because he liked watching golf on tv and Sarah was bored with him, and wanting to party all the time.

2. As a partnership, I am not sure they would have worked out. I think Diana would have been just as charismatic and just as loved, it was about who she was not what she might become. However, I don't know how many of you know this and I do feel abit awkward but Andrew is bisexual. I suspect that this had something to do with his marriage disintegrating and I don't think Diana would have coped with that either. I also think that that is why they have attempted to keep Fergie onside because she knows too much.

p.s. If I never post again you will know I have been nobbled by the mafia haha!

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: serene grace on September 21, 2012, 09:33:46 pm
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:spy: Stay safe.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on September 21, 2012, 09:46:39 pm
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If you are not around anymore we will contact royal reporters :spy:

Wow thank you for giving us this piece of info, everyone says that Edward is gay even Charles but no one mentions Andrew in that sense.

Wait if he is... then he was the one found having intercourse with a male employee? :June:

I still don't think that is a reason for the break up with Fergie, being bisexual doesn't mean that you cannot be monogamous :dontknow: they simply didn't work together

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on September 21, 2012, 10:56:54 pm
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Well as far as I know Charles and Edward are not. But Andrew most definitely is. I'm afraid I can't say how I know. The funny thing is that he has always been seen as a ladies man! He is also rude and arrogant, something suspected but I can say he absolutely is.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: fyeah_harryshotabs on September 21, 2012, 11:26:52 pm
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Quote from: Alexandrine on September 21, 2012, 09:46:39 pm
Wow thank you for giving us this piece of info, everyone says that Edward is gay even Charles but no one mentions Andrew in that sense.
Edward reportedly was seen loosing his virginity to a female royal staff member on the banks of a stream near one of the royal houses when he was younger. Luckily there were no cameras around to capture this golden moment :cookie:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: mrharrywales on September 22, 2012, 01:12:46 am
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^ What do you mean he was seen???

OMG, wasn't him careful enough not to let that happen? :- :-

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on September 22, 2012, 01:37:03 am
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I dont think Diana meant be with anyone of that family ...
Isnt weird a bissexual man have been a affair with a porn actress?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on September 22, 2012, 02:03:09 am
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Does Andrew have AIDS or was there a scare of it?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: mrharrywales on September 22, 2012, 02:17:49 am
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^^^ SAYY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

??

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on September 22, 2012, 03:32:05 am
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I think I read on this board that there was an AIDS scare with Andrew.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: mrharrywales on September 22, 2012, 03:51:21 am
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OMG....

Who would've known???

Gosh

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on September 22, 2012, 04:03:54 am
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Here's an article from 1996 (The Daily Record):

I haven't got AIDS, says Andy.

Prince Andrew has finally nailed the lie that he's suffering from AIDS, it emerged last night. Rumours have been rife about the prince for years. But now he has chosen to deny the gossip with a joke. Andrew told a close pal: "I must be the first person in medical history to contract AIDS and put on weight." His denial was then leaked to a journalist who has close links to the royals. The rumours about Andrew followed Fergie's revelation in 1994 that she'd had AIDS tests during their marriage. She hoped to raise awareness of the disease but instead sparked rumours about her husband. The prince had a series of flings with beautiful women before he wed. But there were even claims that he was gay or bi-sexual. Andrew's recent hermit-like existence has added to the gossip. However, pals say he is happy and now hopes for a reconciliation with Fergie. As speculation heightened about his health, some royals urged Andrew to issue a public denial and even consider legal action. He decided against such moves, fearing they would make matters worse. But he finally decided to speak out. A friend said: "When he first heard the AIDS rumour years ago, he just laughed. "But the joke has begun to wear thin and Andrew has become tired of the sly jokes and innuendoes."
www.thefreelibrary.com/I+haven't+got+AIDS,+says+Andy.-a061265760

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2012, 07:45:29 am
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Well, she was definately a Stuart in all her activities. She liked people, liked life, and enjoyed it to the fullest. She also like Charles II pulled so many things, but still managed to charm and almost make her nuttiest moments funny as heck. No one could do the cray-cray (crazy) like her and still look so classy.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on October 27, 2012, 05:06:07 pm
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Has anyone read this?
Diana's Nightmare - The Family
www.amazon.com/Dianas-Nightmare-The-Family-ebook/dp/B006DQ14TG/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1351353598&sr=1-1&keywords=Diana%27s+Nightmare+-+The+Family

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on October 27, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
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It sounds good.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 03, 2012, 06:06:07 am
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This is going to be awesome; Chris Hutchins is a great author of stuff like this.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Anastasia on November 03, 2012, 07:16:49 am
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I´ll see if I can get it in my country :thankyou:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: berlin on November 03, 2012, 01:05:32 pm
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The link I posted only sells the digital version so I think it could be downloaded. You'll have to research this because I don't know how it works.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on November 03, 2012, 02:43:11 pm
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check amazon.es too

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Title: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: Alexandrine on November 12, 2012, 07:26:36 pm
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Royal Bride Wars: Diana Was No Kate

www.huffingtonpost.com/sally-bedell-smith/queen-elizabeth-biography_b_1204712.html

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on November 13, 2012, 02:37:56 pm
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Sally Bedell Smith is no Diana fan so her views are rather skewed.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: mrharrywales on November 18, 2012, 02:37:27 am
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I don't have the time to read this article right now but is she saying that Kate is better than Diana by any chance??

Please, tell me a journalist wound't dare to write how amazing to the queen Kate is and how horrible Di was...

:bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Alexandrine on January 05, 2013, 05:55:00 pm
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Pictured 16 years on: The brave girl who won Diana's heart after losing leg in an Angolan landmine blast

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257474/Pictured-16-years-The-brave-girl-Sandra-Tigica-won-Dianas-heart-losing-leg-Angolan-landmine-blast.html

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Title: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on January 21, 2013, 03:34:53 pm
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@all,
Article of SARAH WHALEN on Diana and KM ( if it could had been) .

www.bayoubuzz.com/top-stories/item/231264-what-would-princess-di-do-about-kate-middleton-carole-and-camilla?

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 21, 2013, 03:40:40 pm
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IMO, had Diana lived...

Camilla would still be Chuck's mistress, and I doubt that William would have married Kate. I think that Diana would have pushed William into marrying someone more in line with his level of society, but I think that Diana would be over the moon with her impeding grandmotherhood.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Cressida on January 21, 2013, 03:48:09 pm
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I think Diana would have seen right through the Middletons, but I also think William would not have gone to St Andrews in the first place. Diana would have pushed for William to be in Oxford, Cambridge or London. I think she would have encouraged him to be more philanthropic and to choose a wife who loved him and could support his charitable life.

There is no way Kate would be on the scene now, all these people saying Diana would have loved her are so wrong. She hated hangers on and social climbers.

I do think Diana would have made an incredible Granny though, so doting and loving.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on January 21, 2013, 05:29:37 pm
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Diana had wanted William to attend at least one year in an American University like Harvard. I think he may have met an American girl to marry. I think he would have gone to Cambridge or Oxford the other years.

Diana would see to it that the boys were not used in the Camilla Acceptance Campaign and I think would see they had minimal contact with her. I don't think Charles would have married Camilla and she'd still be the mistress.

Diana I think for obvious reasons would have been more tolerant of Carole than Camilla.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Jane23 on January 21, 2013, 06:16:20 pm
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Like anyone would have asked for Diana's permission on what to do with their lives :laundry:...Chuck would have done whatever he wanted, the boys would have had the relationship they have with Camilla and I am not sure why some think Willy would have been a "better" person had Diana lived aside the fact that the "damage" was done before she died and Diana would have had her own life outside the UK and would have probably remarried I doubt she would have been able to do anything about who Willy married...Chuck couldn't and he is the ruthless one between the two...if he couldn't get rid of Kate I doubt Di would have been able to do better.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on January 21, 2013, 06:27:

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Parents do influence their children's lives and William would be a better man if Diana had been there with him during the teenage years. He would not have been allowed to run around and do as he pleased.

Diana was a good loving attentive Mother while Charles was a neglectful Father. Diana wasn't as natural with children as she was because she didn't care but because she did.

Kate or the Middleton clan would never have entered Williams life and so there would have been no marriage.

William won't listen to Charles because if one neglects their child when they are growing up then the child will neglect them and their advice when they get grown.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: YooperModerator on January 21, 2013, 11:36:16 pm
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Diana was a good loving attentive Mother while Charles was a neglectful Father
That statement is a bit too black an white for my taste really, I think the truth is more grey...just because the public doesn't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
Other then that I think William would have married perhaps earlier and with a different girl, I can't see Diana and Kate being civil in the same room never mind Carole
C&C? who knows! :dontknow:
I think if it weren't for those review into his duchy and other stuff he wouldn't have married her at all!
He didn't mind per se, but I doubt he really wanted to remarry at all!

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on January 22, 2013, 02:15:49 am
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I didn't mean Diana didn't make mistakes because all parents do but it is not because of her parenting skills that they turned out the way they did it was because of the neglect they received at the ages they were after she died.

Diana was trying to teach her sons to be more caring about people by showing them the lives of normal people she didn't intend for William to use that as a PR campaign to hide

from royal life and pretend he wants to be normal because if he really wanted to be normal he would give up all the perks and go off somewhere to live Farmer Johns life.

Charles was neglectful when they were growing up and he is neglectful in teaching them the responsibilities of being a Prince still.

I agree though that Charles married Camilla because it was beneficial to him and if it had not been she would still be a mistress.

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Post by: sandy on January 22, 2013, 02:23:24 pm
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Charles I think was very lenient and spoiled William so William does as he pleases now. He also overprotected and Spoiled William and often let Harry be thrown to the wolves. I think Charles married Camilla because of the financial investigation, he outed her publicly and named her as mistress and was angrily confronted by his father, and created the Great Love Spin which would have made him look foolish had he dumped Camilla. He also spent big bucks on the Acceptance Campaign and perhaps wanted return on the investment. William twisted the lessons Diana was trying to give him as carte blanche to do as he pleases to be "normal" while enjoying the perks and privileges that "normal" people do not have. Diana did not want William to " hide

out" and told interviewers that she wanted him to be aware of his royal role while mindful of the problems of those less fortunate.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: CathyJane on January 23, 2013, 03:45:28 am
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had Diana lived we wouldn't be subjected to the Midds. Diana could sense a phoney a mile away. Cammie would probably still be upchuck's chippy but she sure wouldn't look as 'good' as she does now. I think Diana would have pushed Willy toward an aristo or titled young lady.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on January 23, 2013, 05:22:27 pm
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I don't know what Diana would had done with Camilla, but as for Carole and KM I can't imagine Diana 'clicking' with either one. Diana was hard working and certainly not an empty shell with no personality. On the contrary she oozed charisma as well as class. She was kind, warm and the children of all nations loved her! Just look at kids in old photos with Diana, and then look at kids now with KM. BIG difference!

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on January 23, 2013, 09:02:47 pm
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I think Diana would have been living in her own Country estate and William would have brought his dates home to meet his mother. IMO Kate and her family would not have made the cut. Diana would have seen through Kate and her opportunistic family "immediately." The Middleton's would have been treated coldly and their long association with William would have never been allowed to flourish. Diana would have stopped them at start.

I doubt Kate would have been ever considered for more than a girlfriend after the underwear show. I think Diana would have pulled William away during the summer breaks and had him travel with her, perhaps in safe non-crontroversial humanitarian efforts across the globe(with approval from the Palace.)

I think Diana was a sly fox, she would have simply put roadblocks up, preventing the Middleton's from getting their constant claws on her son.

I don't think Carole would have had William standing in her kitchen for morning cocoa, if Diana was alive. IMO That would have never happened and if it did, it would have been quickly cut short with a word from Diana.

I think William would have gone to Cambridge or Oxford and Diana would have encouraged William to do at least one year of University in the U.S. at either Georgetown University in Washington(where Lady Alexandra Knatchbull and many European Royalty have gone or perhaps Harvard or Yale.)

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on January 23, 2013, 09:12:16 pm
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:goodpost: :thumbsup: ITA

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 23, 2013, 09:33:06 pm
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I also agree Serene. I don't know what would have happened with Camilla but William wouldn't have been able to hide

in St. Andrews for four years if Diana had lived.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on January 24, 2013, 02:54:22 pm
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Quote from: Mon Roi Henry IX on January 23, 2013, 05:22:27 pm
I don't know what Diana would had done with Camilla, but as for Carole and KM I can't imagine Diana 'clicking' with either one. Diana was hard working and certainly not an empty shell with no personality. On the contrary she oozed charisma as well as class. She was kind, warm and the children of all nations loved her! Just look at kids in old photos with Diana, and then look at kids now with KM. BIG difference!

Diana would have given Camilla a wide berth. And the relationship would be frosty much like the relationship between the Queen Mother and the Duchess of Windsor. Diana would have put her foot down if Charles attempted to use the boys in his Camilla acceptance campaign. There would be No photos of William kissing Camilla for instance.

I think Diana would have made sure William did not idle nor get wrapped in protective cotton wool and disappear for lavish trips or appear stumbling out of bars. In that way, he perhaps would have gotten involved with women of more substance and with work ethics.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Cressida on January 24, 2013, 03:56:37 pm
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I agree Sandy. I also think that Diana would have flirted with Charles like mad, she was a very attractive charming woman and I think she would have done it just to piss Camilla off!

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: rosielinks on January 24, 2013, 04:39:

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I am convinced that the Midds would not have had the chance to sink their claws into PW had Diana been alive. She would have seen them off ASAP. An example: she loathed her step-mother, Raine, and was proactive in showing her dislike - she actually pushed Raine down the stairs at Althorpe. Example 2: she reduced Sophie to tears at one of the palaces when Sophie was a relative newcomer. Diana shot from the hip, she was emotional and could be volatile, reckless and frankly, a complete bixxh. She would have recognised the opportunism, vulgarity, greed and sheer tackiness of the Midds and would have acted decisively and effectively to extricate them from her son's life. Waity's feet wouldn't have touched the ground. Carole would have been dispatched with several fleas if not an entire mangey feline in her ear.

I think that Diana had stopped being angry with Camilla when she died - she accepted their relationship and had moved on. She had already had many love affairs and was, apparently broken-hearted over Hasnet Khan. She would, however, have been furious had Camilla tried to mother the boys or encourage them to confide in her - something which Camilla is smart enough not to do - and probably had no interest in - as she has to focus solely upon Charles.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on January 24, 2013, 04:59:46 pm
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I think Diana would always have been angry with Camilla--perhaps forgive but not forget. There was no love lost between them.

I am a big skeptical of Sophie being driven to tears story since it was never told the same way and in there are many variations of it which does not give it authenticity, and it IS hearsay. Sophie never talked about it and Diana is dead in any case so I doubt it will ever be "definitive" if or how it happened.

Diana and Raine became friends. So it was not that heinous what Diana did if Raine became friendly with Diana after this incident happened. Let's put that in perspective please.

I think Camilla was and is more of a b...h or witch than Diana would ever be.

And her "many affairs" How so? I think the more lovers assigned to Diana the more negative they are to her to begin with. She was involved with Hewitt, Khan (after the divorce they became intimate) and Dodi. Carling denied any affair took place, Forstmann said the relationship he had with Diana was platonic, and Hoare neither confirmed nor denied any affair and he is still with his wife.

Diana would be wary of Camilla had she lived, since Camilla undermined her to Charles and leaked stories to the press against Diana. Out of loyalty to their mothe who would still be alive r I doubt the boys would have been coerced by Dad in playing happy famillies with Camilla. With Diana dead, it made it easier IMO for Charles to get all needy with the boys and the boys had to make him happy, etc. Camilla IS pushy and nervy and I notice Charles' PR is trying to ram Camilla down the public's throats as the "grandma" of Diana's grand baby. Tacky Tacky. Camilla was also nervy enough to attempt to go to Diana's memorial service and only bowed out from public protest and pressure from the Queen perhaps. She also deliberately sat in the midst of a crowded restaurant loudly "advising" kate on the wedding to get her face in the press. Had Diana married and had a family and achieved happiness I think she'd still be wary of Camilla and watch her back and really not like the woman.

I doubt William would have taken the same path had Diana been alive. He would have more of a work ethic and met a girl who also had a work ethic.

I do think Diana would be far less accommodating with Camilla than she would have been with Carole, who did not cause her hurt and was out to hurt her from the get go unlke Mrs Parker Bowles.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: memyselfandroyals on January 24, 2013, 05:20:49 pm
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I am a big skeptical of Sophie being driven to tears story since it was never told the same way and in there are many variations of it which does not give it authenticity, and it IS hearsay. Sophie never talked about it and Diana is dead in any case so I doubt it will ever be "definitive" if or how it happened.

i have never heard anything about Sophie and Diana's arguing...

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 24, 2013, 09:47:08 pm
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I THINK Diana would have kept William more in line with work and if she hadn't died, the press never would have been forced to some insane pact to back off; it was because of her death that he was left as exposed as he was, for the Midds to pounce. As long as Diana was alive, Camilla would have remained mistress, I am sure of it. As for dates, I think diana would have wanted an aristocrat because she herself was an aristocrat and knew girls from that milieu. Diana was good for Charles' role, no matter how bad it got personally; if Charles had married Camilla first, Charles would have still had to work on getting Camilla accepted and I find it interesting that at taht time, Charles was uninterested in working on any potential wife. I dont' think there would have been any marriage mainly because Diana was still living and as for the Midds, Diana would have toyed with them for a while and then sent them packing with a large amount of scratches on them.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: CathyJane on January 24, 2013, 10:24:36 pm
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Quote from: sandy on January 24, 2013, 04:59:46 pm
I think Diana would always have been angry with Camilla--perhaps forgive but not forget. There was no love lost between them.

I am a big skeptical of Sophie being driven to tears story since it was never told the same way and in there are many variations of it which does not give it authenticity, and it IS hearsay. Sophie never talked about it and Diana is dead in any case so I doubt it will ever be "definitive" if or how it happened.

Diana and Raine became friends. So it was not that heinous what Diana did if Raine became friendly with Diana after this incident happened. Let's put that in perspective please.

I think Camilla was and is more of a b...h or witch than Diana would ever be
And her "many affairs" How so? I think the more lovers assigned to Diana the more negative they are to her to begin with. She was involved with Hewitt, Khan (after the divorce they became intimate) and Dodi. Carling denied any affair took place, Forstmann said the relationship he had with Diana was platonic, and Hoare neither confirmed nor denied any affair and he is still with his wife.

Diana would be wary of Camilla had she lived, since Camilla undermined her to Charles and leaked stories to the press against Diana. Out of loyalty to their mothe who would still be alive r I doubt the boys would have been coerced by Dad in playing happy famillies with Camilla. With Diana dead, it made it easier IMO for Charles to get all needy with the boys and the boys had to make him happy, etc. Camilla IS pushy and nervy and I notice Charles' PR is trying to ram Camilla down the public's throats as the "grandma" of Diana's grand baby. Tacky Tacky. Camilla was also nervy enough to attempt to go to Diana's memorial service and only bowed out from public protest and pressure from the Queen perhaps. She also deliberately sat in the midst of a crowded restaurant loudly "advising" kate on the wedding to get her face in the press. Had Diana married and had a family and achieved happiness I think she'd still be wary of Camilla and watch her back and really not like the woman.

I doubt William would have taken the same path had Diana been alive. He would have more of a work ethic and met a girl who also had a work ethic.

I do think Diana would be far less accommodating with Camilla than she would have been with Carole, who did not cause her hurt and was out to hurt her from the get go unlke Mrs Parker Bowles.

I agree Diana might have been tolerate of camilla but I doubt she would ever totally forgive and forget. Camilla as the 'granny' to Diana's grandchild makes me sick; it was the same everytime cammie became a grandma 'upchuck's a grandpa'. Excuse me but I think Andrew P-B might actually finally care if chucky tried to be gramps to his grandkids.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on January 24, 2013, 10:26:07 pm
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Here is a thread with the Sophie-Diana interactions-discussion, it can be discussed there.
royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,5308.0.html

Let's keep this thread about Diana's possible feelings about Kate(PW), Carole and Camilla. :thankyou:

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: royalfanPKLS on January 25, 2013, 03:13:51 am
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I think if Diana was still alive, Camilla and Charles would've married but I think there would more of a public push and possibly an outcry from Parliment to disinherit Charles from the line of succession to keep Camilla from becoming a queen or princess. As far as William and Harry's lives, I think they wouldn't had been in so much public trouble and scrunity over their choices, Harry in particularly since William's messes were apparently swept under a rug, never to be seen.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: lothwen on January 25, 2013, 05:27:21 am
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IMO, asking what Diana would have done about anybody is pointless. If Diana were still alive, even if William still went to St. Andrews Kate would be just a classmate, and nothing more. He wouldn't be in the vulnerable position that he was when he met her, and Carole wouldn't be allowed to be his substitute mother. So it's a moot point.

As for Camilla, again, Diana wouldn't have any say over whether or not Charles remarried, and in fact, I truly believe that were Diana still alive today it would make people accept Camilla as Charles's wife a lot easier, especially if Diana were to have re-married first.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: rosielinks on January 25, 2013, 07:43:41 am
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ITA.

If people had seen Diana happy with a new husband and, maybe, new child then most people would not be too worried about Camilla.

However, I do think that PW is inherently flawed so any woman willing to put up with him is likely to be dud.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on January 25, 2013, 02:01:38 pm
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Quote from: lothwen on January 25, 2013, 05:27:21 am
IMO, asking what Diana would have done about anybody is pointless. If Diana were still alive, even if William still went to St. Andrews Kate would be just a classmate, and nothing more. He wouldn't be in the vulnerable position that he was when he met her, and Carole wouldn't be allowed to be his substitute mother. So it's a moot point.

As for Camilla, again, Diana wouldn't have any say over whether or not Charles remarried, and in fact, I truly believe that were Diana still alive today it would make people accept Camilla as Charles's wife a lot easier, especially if Diana were to have re-married first.

While technically true Diana's presence would have made the rehabilitate Camilla campaign extremely hard and public opinion would have made sure Charles thought of himself first as he always has.

I believe Camilla would still be the Mistress if Charles hadn't been having tax investigation problems.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2013, 02:10:56 pm
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I don't think the public would have mostly accepted Camilla had Diana remarried. Camilla still broke up the marriage of Charles and Diana. And Diana's presence would remind the public even more of the role of Camilla in the marriage breakup and it would have been difficult for Charles and his minions to trash Diana since she would have been around to defend herself.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Jane23 on January 25, 2013, 03:58:30 pm
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The very few but very loud Republicans in Britain will always question whatever Chuck does his taxes will always be investigated like they always investigate the taxes of all of us he can't marry Cam every time lol so I don't get the "logic" of the "He remarried because his taxes were being investigated" theory...

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 25, 2013, 04:50:52 pm
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I wonder if Charles misses Diana's cutthroat ruthlessness when he has to put up with the conniving Midds.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2013, 05:03:53 pm
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Well he has Camilla's cutthroat ruthlessness. She's in their pitching IMO and is not some harmless little old lady.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: lothwen on January 25, 2013, 05:31:21 pm
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^Agreed. I think that the only reason why Camilla is nice to Kate is because she doesn't want to rock the boat with William, which would make problems with Charles.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on January 25, 2013, 06:29:53 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on January 25, 2013, 03:58:30 pm
The very few but very loud Republicans in Britain will always question whatever Chuck does his taxes will always be investigated like they always investigate the taxes of all of us he can't marry Cam every time lol so I don't get the "logic" of the "He remarried because his taxes were being investigated" theory...

I am sure he didn't think he would ever be investigated again because he believes he is entitled and special. Kind of like when the AG stopped the release of his letters he thought that would be the end of it but it was just the beginning. Charles isn't very bright when it comes to matters like this.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Acornia on January 26, 2013, 01:34:39 pm
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Post by: serene grace on January 26, 2013, 03:24:10 pm
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I felt compelled to perform," Diana had said, "To do my engagements and not let people down." Still, she filled her schedule – but couldn't help but fall asleep during a 1981 event. (It was later revealed that, at the time, she was pregnant with William.

www.people.com/people/package/gallery/0,,20395222_20504905,00.html#20980437

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2013, 09:56:17 pm
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When you look at her and look at her life, I understand now why women from the same background don't want to marry into the Windsors; if they look down on someone like her who did her best and enabled the new foundation for the Windsors to stand on, but threw her to the side like trash, what woman is safe?

All that rank, lineage, accomplishments during her marriage, all she did to enable Charles to move in high circles, if that is not enough, what is? I never fail to be amazed that someone so beautiful and someone so giving in so many ways was treated like a discard while a mistress, who is never an asset, has been treated so well.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 12:22:20 am
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^ You don't know how Di was behind close doors ...I suspect not as easy to be with as you describe...most of her charity work was a photo opportunity let us not pretend the woman didn't do that she invented that...yes she could put on a good show but it was that... a show that's why she gave up he Patronages when she separated and you won't find a single Charity in her Will...Michael left 20% of his Estate to Charity just saying...as for Cam being treated well ...I guess that happens when your husband loves you...whenever she is an asset or not it depends on who you ask I suppose I think she does a good job , she Patronages actual Charities and when she shows up she doesn't make it all about her and it all seems to go wonderfully she puts Boney to shame that's for sure...

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 27, 2013, 12:28:30 am
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She was like the classic child star who had too much too soon and crashed and burned. She never really found too much substance, but for a royal of her times, while she was princess, she did her duty and then did more with AIDS, that is what makes her so admirable. At her age by the time of her marriage she was queen of fashion and did fantastic, but then in time did what she could with all the personal turmoil she had to deal with.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on January 27, 2013, 12:33:11 am
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@jane23 Diana's charities weren't just photo ops she would visit her charities even when the press wasn't alerted unless the charities were lying to cover something up. :tehe:

Diana was restructuring her life when she died so of course she dropped a lot of them. She left her money to her Sons but I guess she should have ignored them and given it all to charity.

Camilla has the cameras there when she goes to a charity which really isn't all that often so I guess she is Queen of the photo ops now.

You don't know how Diana was behind doors either nor do you know that Charles treats Camilla wonderful because he loves her. If he is so wonderful why does Camilla keep a residence so she can escape him? He is stuck with Camilla no matter how he feels because it would be a disaster for him if there were a divorce.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 08:38:26 am
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^ Michael in his will has listed his mother and his three children and found space to give 20% of his Estate to Charity just saying...but of course the man actually worked for his money and has a bigger Estate his money didn't come from divorce pay offs...but still no AIDS Charities got anything from Di...

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on January 27, 2013, 11:42:39 am
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AIDS Charities got more of Diana when she was alive than some money would made any difference. Who lived or had age enough in 1980s & 1990s know what meant AIDS in that time and know the difference Diana made that time. Diana worked since 20 years-old for a family who lives off public money. Had a husband since was born lives off public money - just why was born first son of his mother - but anyway had ask help to mummy for give settlement to his ex-wife lol

PS.IF tomorrow the parliament choice the Duchy of C wouldn't anymore support/maintain the Prince of Wales & family your idol Charles would lost everything what he likes, including Highgrove he DO NOT OWNS. He dont earned or worked to/for nothing what he have he only was lucky enough to be born the first child of the Queen

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on January 27, 2013, 02:41:18 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 08:38:26 am
^ Michael in his will has listed his mother and his three children and found space to give 20% of his Estate to Charity just saying...but of course the man actually worked for his money and has a bigger Estate his money didn't come from divorce pay offs...but still no AIDS Charities got anything from Di...

So what I have been volunteering with three charities for a good deal of my adult life but nowhere in my will am I leaving any of them anything. It will all be divided amongst my children and various family members which is how I think it should be. So I guess I just don't see your point.

All I get from your comment is we should discount all the charity work Diana did while she was alive because she didn't leave charities her money when she died. :sorry: Makes no sense to me and sounds like grasping to take away her legacy of charity work.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 02:54:06 pm
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^ Again Michael (that is an example of course) did a lot for the World (more than Di) while he was alive and still left Charities 20% of his Estate all while taking care of FOUR people a true HUMANITARIAN that never forgot Charities the man started working on his Will from 1995 to 2001 when he updated it to include his third child and Charities were never forgotten all while taking care of his family!!!

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on January 27, 2013, 03:12:40 pm
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Well good for Michael (and I have no idea who he is) maybe they could bestow Sainthood on him or maybe he should have left more than 20%.

So your point is if one doesn't leave their money to charity then every charitable thing they have ever done in their lives should be discounted.

I guess one could assume that charities aren't really about charity but about getting money while one is alive and after one's death too. :think:

Yes well maybe I am just to old and realistic to see your point.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on January 27, 2013, 03:33:56 pm
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What Micheal "to did a lot for the World (more than Di)"? Besides giving money (yes this is important not always the what most matters)...

Diana humanised people with AIDS, she's probably one (if not the most) of persons who most help the Aids. Shows me Michael touching someone with AIDS, someone with leprosy, visited someone or made/participated of some doc about landmines - all this things before Diana - or some issues the world dont cares talk about and he brought this to spotlight for be discussed and shows to world as authorities dont care for lives dying who havent a spokesman for speak for them and shows their misery and injustice they're put through from powerful people only interested in money & power with total disregard for human lives.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 04:00:33 pm
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^ I could post pictures of Michael Jackson with very sick people but this is not the place to do that and it would be getting totally out of topic (this topic is about Diana) he was brought as an example of someone who did something while alive and left money to Charities contrary to Di who left nothing !!! And funny thing is she didn't earn that money all she did is divorce...

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on January 27, 2013, 04:49:07 pm
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There's lots of celebrities who visit (read:photo ops) people very sick, that's became good PR for celebrities, many of them made it in 1980s & 1990s after Diana was seen visiting people sick. But visiting people sick is hardly "to did a lot for the World (more than Di)"

Before Diana wasnt this fashionable/normal to see celebrities visiting people with AIDS et al.
Quote from: dianab on January 27, 2013, 11:42:39 am
AIDS Charities got more of Diana when she was alive than some money would made any difference. Who lived or had age enough in 1980s & 1990s know what meant AIDS in that time and know the difference Diana made that time. Diana worked since 20 years-old for a family who lives off public money. Had a husband since was born lives off public money - just why was born first son of his mother - but anyway had ask help to mummy for give settlement to his ex-wife lol

PS.IF tomorrow the parliament choice the Duchy of C wouldn't anymore support/maintain the Prince of Wales & family your idol Charles would lost everything what he likes, including Highgrove he DO NOT OWNS. He dont earned or worked to/for nothing what he have he only was lucky enough to be born the first child of the Queen

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on January 27, 2013, 05:43:02 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 04:00:33 pm
^ I could post pictures of Michael Jackson with very sick people but this is not the place to do that and it would be getting totally out of topic (this topic is about Diana) he was brought as an example of someone who did something while alive and left money to Charities contrary to Di who left nothing !!! And funny thing is she didn't earn that money all she did is divorce...

You have been talking about MJ and using him as an example of goodness. :laugh: :laugh:

The man was broke and borrowing money when he died so basically left the charities nothing but a thought. All the money there now came after his death.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 27, 2013, 08:27:45 pm
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AIDS charities made millions off of her because of her fame and beauty and it's not like she didn't help there. She was twenty and uneducated when she married and she worked with what she had. She married at a very young age and was not brought up to be practical and she was not brought up to be useful. She was brought up to marry well and be a well trained brood mare and later on when she discovered the wider world, then she got more involved. AIDS did get very well de-stigmatized because of that handshake with no gloves on and there was still a lot of paranoia; we never lived during that time and fairly, we can't understand the mentality. I wonder how much more she owed to the charities. Later on she might have surely done better with herself, but she lived too short. We'll never know. Besides, after her marriage, she didn't owe the public anything, she wasn't even an "HRH" and she had a life of her own to build.

Instead of just being selfish and retiring, she did work about landmines and she got out and still gave good to a public that wanted her out there and dazzling people. So she did her bit for the world and she left her sons well provided for, which is smart of any parent. She left them provisions for the future and it's responsible.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snork Maiden on January 27, 2013, 11:22:20 pm
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Interesting read on modernising the monarchy:

www.demos.co.uk/files/modernisingthemonarchy.pdf

It mentions Diana's influence and the way she departed from the royal family's old ways by presenting herself and behaving like a celebrity and adopting more of an activist approach on behalf of numerous and diverse causes like Aids victims, the homeless, land mines and domestic violence sufferers (instead of just cutting ribbons). It concludes that the Palace "appears to have decided that the lesson of Diana's life and death concerns the power of glamour rather than the power of her adoption of active symbolism as her key role." From this I would guess they think Waity is on the right track - i.e. she's all about superficial good looks and not about using her position to really get behind a cause or make a difference to people's lives. Flipping Palace. They just like to play safe.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 28, 2013, 01:03:50 am
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she departed from the royal family's old ways by presenting herself and behaving like a celebrity and adopting more of an activist approach on behalf of numerous and diverse causes like Aids victims, the homeless, land mines and domestic violence sufferers

I read that in Tina Brown and that was Diana's real flaw. It was her only real mistake; she paved the way for celebrity activism and I believe it's been nothing more than a disruptive thorn in the side of the seriousness of diplomacy. I wish she had taken time to get schooling in these things and she might have avoided setting a precedent for celebrity activism. She should not have been allowed to converse with heads of state (elected or unelected) unless she held an official position and was trained. At that time she had her whole life ahead of her and she should have taken time from jet setting and invested in schooling.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on January 28, 2013, 01:48:43 am
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Celebrities are as much citizens as everyone else is and being a citizen they have as much right to speak up for whatever the cause is that interest them. Activism is the only way that anything ever changes. If a notable figure can bring real notice to a cause I say good for them but if they do it when their heart is not really into then they should just leave it alone.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:32 pm
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Quote from: Snokitty on January 27, 2013, 05:43:02 pm
Quote from: Jane23 on January 27, 2013, 04:00:33 pm
^ I could post pictures of Michael Jackson with very sick people but this is not the place to do that and it would be getting totally out of topic (this topic is about Diana) he was brought as an example of someone who did something while alive and left money to Charities contrary to Di who left nothing !!! And funny thing is she didn't earn that money all she did is divorce...

You have been talking about MJ and using him as an example of goodness. :laugh: :laugh:

The man was broke and borrowing money when he died so basically left the charities nothing but a thought. All the money there now came after his death.
If you say so he still makes Di look bad though...and lmao Di invented charity now?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on January 28, 2013, 12:21:14 pm
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Michael Jackson made Diana look bad? Is that a joke?

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 28, 2013, 02:07:29 pm
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Besides the fact Michael Jackson is in the World Book of Records for the money he has given to Charity :sly: and has set up a Charity Organization "Heal the World Foundation" and left 20% of his Billion Dollar Estate to Charity a lot of celeb make Di look bad from Bono to Brad and Angelina to Madonna and Leonardo Di Caprio these people actually give (other than their famous faces) MONEY to Charities Di has given 0 money , has set 0 Charities and has left 0 money in her Will to Charities she just used them for her daily photo ops!!! :bored:

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Post by: Snokitty on January 28, 2013, 02:59:00 pm
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Little boys weren't going around accusing Diana of molesting them and that pretty much removes anything else he ever did in my mind.

He was called "Wacko Jacko" for a reason and it wasn't for being a philanthropist.

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Post by: Jane23 on January 28, 2013, 09:06:43 pm
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^ LOL Why don't you talk about the Charity Organization Di set up or the money she gave to Charity? Oh wait...

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Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2013, 09:35:34 pm
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Diana was advised against creating a foundation because all the cons it has but after the divorce she wanted to have her own charity. Fergie has one calles children in crisis which was used to fund her lifestyle according to Starkie, from the two I prefer what Diana did. Having your own foundation is not really important and that she didn't give money to charities in her will it may be due to that she didn't expect to die so soon. In any case I don't think that makes what she did during her life value less.

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Post by: dianab on January 28, 2013, 10:15:41 pm
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Alexandrine :goodpost:

According certain poster here I do think is wrong thinks highly of sort as Mother Teresa & Nelson Mandela they arent/werent known for have left &/or give lots of money to charity, probably Michael Jackson, Bono, Brad and Angelina, Madonna and Leonardo Di Caprio ARE better people than Mother Teresa & Nelson Mandela too :bored:

Oh I forget Diana, Mother Teresa & Nelson Mandela dont made charity out of PR (as other people cited). No one (particularly in position of Diana) would get involved with AIDS, leprosy, landmines in 1980s & 1990s. I still dont see evidence or proof of this celebrities doing (unpopular) charity before the work of Diana with AIDS, leprosy, landmines ...

Particularly after her death people of her charities said Diana donated money but asked for the amount not be revealed. ie. This story is in book: Diana: A Tribute to the People's Princess by Peter Donnelly. There's also the official book Diana the Portrait, is about her work, shows the great work she made. Diana always visited her charities secretly. That was commented when she was alive because someone else sell private pictures but many more stories cames out after her death. In book Diana the portrait have private pictures of Diana visiting her charities off-duty, for example:a todler Harry with someone else in a wheelchair.

PS.The name of Diana connected to charities brought alot of money to them (charities) too.

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Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2013, 10:17:43 pm
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Sorry to disagree dianab but Elizabeth Taylor, I think, started helping with AIDS before Diana.

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Post by: dianab on January 28, 2013, 10:26:29 pm
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If I remember the story correctly Elizabeth Taylor started with the AIDS because the death of Rock Hudson (oct 1985). I remember she participating of conferences & raising money (what was great & very important) but she wasnt visiting, touching people with AIDS (what humanised people with AIDS), that's what Diana made the difference, the same thing with the landmines, leprosy wasnt only talking about & raising money but shows that people deserve treated as everyne else.

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Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2013, 10:30:48 pm
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When she died I read that Taylor liked visiting people with AIDSs anonymously that's why I mentioned her.

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Post by: dianab on January 28, 2013, 10:36:12 pm
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Oh I dont know of this. Just the Rock Hudson thing she was there for him even the last day and then started talk about AIDS publicly. I do think her work very important, maybe even more than others celebrities cited for someone else.

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Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2013, 10:38:20 pm
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If I can find the article again I will send it to you.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2013, 10:23:24 pm
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I'll never understand why people never treated Diana as she was, which was a kid at the time of her marriage. Her husband wanted a docile impressionable wife with no past and go figure, complained about how unformed she was and how immature and how she was only interested in fashion and rock music and dancing. He married someone who was essentially a kid and married someone who was immature, well within the normal range. Go figure, he complains. then when his wife matures and works harder and champions AIDS and other causes, he whines about how she's not being mature enough to understand her role as a royal doormat/broodmare, wondering why she's too busy living up to her responsibilities as a princess to soothe his perpetually low self-esteem.

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Post by: CathyJane on January 31, 2013, 03:26:22 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2013, 10:23:24 pm
I'll never understand why people never treated Diana as she was, which was a kid at the time of her marriage. Her husband wanted a docile impressionable wife with no past and go figure, complained about how unformed she was and how immature and how she was only interested in fashion and rock music and dancing. He married someone who was essentially a kid and married someone who was immature, well within the normal range. Go figure, he complains. then when his wife matures and works harder and champions AIDS and other causes, he whines about how she's not being mature enough to understand her role as a royal doormat/broodmare, wondering why she's too busy living up to her responsibilities as a princess to soothe his perpetually low self-esteem.

C&C wanted a young girl they could deceive and assumed she wouldn't now/care/mind when they continued their affair. Diana surprised them when she grew up and became a fighter.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on January 31, 2013, 08:32:05 am
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19 is being a "kid" now?

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: memyselfandroyals on January 31, 2013, 02:05:19 pm
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Quote from: serene grace on January 24, 2013, 10:26:07 pm
Here is a thread with the Sophie-Diana interactions-discussion, it can be discussed there.
royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,5308.0.html

Let's keep this thread about Diana's possible feelings about Kate(PW), Carole and Camilla. :thankyou:

Thanks Serene :hi: kisss

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Post by: Snokitty on January 31, 2013, 02:45:06 pm
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19 means one is still a teenager.

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Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 01, 2013, 05:59:18 pm
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Sarah Whalen article:

www.bayoubuzz.com/buzz/item/201893-if-princess-diana-had-followed-the-equerry’s-advice

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Post by: Spice on February 01, 2013, 09:57:10 pm
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19 is nothing... recent brain research has shown the human brain does not fully mature until 25... most people look back on their life and go WTF when they think of what they did when they were 19. I know do ;-) Diana was way, way, too young to get married, let alone to a prince, let alone the heir to the throne. It just hows how out of touch he was, and his mother and grandmother, who both thought it was fine and a generally good idea to marry her. She was too young to know what was good for her. If her parents had been emotionally healthy they might have discouraged her, or not helped Charles get to know her in the first place. He was 33 years old. If I knew a 33 year old guy who was marrying a 19/20 year old, I'd have words to say about it.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on February 01, 2013, 10:16:40 pm
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It was all about social climbing dynastic politics.

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Post by: Spice on February 01, 2013, 10:38:51 pm
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^ Exactly, and what kind of parent lets that happen. Diana did herself proud, achieved more than anyone could have imagined, but fundamentally her parents should have guided and protected her. One of her sisters said no to Charles.

And even though her parents did this to her, she still adored them both. Which supports my theory that regardless of Charles and Diana's mistakes as parents, their kids adored both of them too.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sweetnbyrisk on February 01, 2013, 11:18:01 pm
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One thing's certain: Diana would be kicking Waity's bony butt for continuing to maintain her waif-like figure while pregnant. Even though she suffered from eating disorders, Diana gained an appropriate amount of wait and took care of herself when she was expecting.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 02, 2013, 02:03:12 am
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And Diana didn't always suffer from the disorder, it was only at certain points in her life. Diana looked very healthy for much of her life it was only a certain point where you can see she was suffering from the eating issue.

I think she got it under control.

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Post by: memyselfandroyals on February 02, 2013, 05:25:58 am
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i saw Diana's marriage and one thing i seemed to realize: her father didn't seem so satisfied. I might be mistaken

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Post by: CathyJane on February 03, 2013, 03:36:20 am
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Quote from: memyselfandroyals on February 02, 2013, 05:25:58 am
i saw Diana's marriage and one thing i seemed to realize: her father didn't seem so satisfied. I might be mistaken

I don't think Frances was either, but neither of her parents did anything to help.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: CathyJane on February 03, 2013, 03:38:53 am
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Quote from: sweetnbyrisk on February 01, 2013, 11:18:01 pm
One thing's certain: Diana would be kicking Waity's bony butt for continuing to maintain her waif-like figure while pregnant. Even though she suffered from eating disorders, Diana gained an appropriate amount of wait and took care of herself when she was expecting.

Very true!!

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Freya on February 03, 2013, 05:02:47 am
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I don't think that the Midds would have come into the equation had Diana lived. William may have gone to Oxbridge. Diana may have encouraged him to not settle down with one woman until he was a little older. He was with Kate from 19 onwards which is quite young. Diana would not have been impressed with Kate's work ethic.

I don't know whether Charles would have married Camilla. The same pressures would have been there as to the heir to the throne having a live in mistress.

Diana may have gone to live in the US and the boys may have spent time with her and broadened their horizons. Who knows William may have met an American. For a royal heir he has led quite a little life.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2013, 05:09:39 am
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Diana's father was completely incapacitated from a stroke and really couldn't take an energetic approach to the situation, Frances was emotionally ill-equipped to help her daughter out (divorcing and then marrying another man right away and not paying serious attention to the growth of her daughter's health), while her stepmother Raine and step-grandmother were doing their best to promote the match for their own reflected glory. Then during the problems her mother was distancing herself from the whole mess, leaving Diana to fend for herself and was only there when things were going good, not bad.

Is it any wonder that Diana had issues?

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Post by: Spice on February 03, 2013, 11:09:51 am
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Also, Diana's father had been physically and mentally abusive to Frances (which always affects the children)... she left him for another man and also became quite religious. I think Diana's situation (during the marriage to Charles) was just too much for Frances to handle, especially with her own mother Ruth Fermoy against her (close friend of the QM).

Diana went from one dysfunctional family to another. I give her credit for staying alive and doing her best for her kids. She could easily have chucked in the towel, but ultimately she was too strong for that.

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Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 03, 2013, 05:03:27 pm
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Quote from: memyselfandroyals on February 02, 2013, 05:25:58 am
i saw Diana's marriage and one thing i seemed to realize: her father didn't seem so satisfied. I might be mistaken
memyselfandroyals :hi:,
You must take into account he had had a stroke. A very severe one, it was thought he would not make it. The day of wedding he had to be helped up the stairs and as he walked Diana up the church aisle. It was Diana that in fact was walking him. Look at the video of wedding and you will see he was kind of leaning on her to hold him up. After the wedding ceremony, the Queen allowed him to get in the carriage before her, something that is never done. The Queen enters first . QE did this because she knew he was not a well man. I think he was happy with Diana's wedding to PC; at the time anyway.
:flower:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: memyselfandroyals on February 03, 2013, 05:11:31 pm
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thanks for the information, Mon Roi Henry IX! :flower: :hi:

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Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 03, 2013, 06:22:45 pm
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memyselfanroyals,
You're welcome!! :flower:
Here in this video you can see Earl Spencer, Diana's father. He is hardly left alone to stand on his own. He is helped all the way from bottom of stairs to the time he needs to give his daughter his arm. Also, note her hand she is certainly pulling him up as they both walk up aisle to the altar. Look at the sleeve of his jacket is being pulled up by her to support him.
Perhaps the stroke also limited his facial expressions of happiness. It's possible.
As to the walk up that very long aisle, for Earl Spencer after his stroke it was indeed a feat of strong will and love to walk his daughter.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQTe47cR-Ws

Sorry, I can't seem find the video where QEII allows, after wedding ceremony for Earl Spencer to enter the carriage before her, the Monarch.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2013, 09:24:03 pm
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It's kind of pitiful, even then Diana had no one looking out for her. Then her husband marries her, leaves her to fend for herself while he frolics with his mistress.
Quote from: Spice on February 03, 2013, 11:09:51 am
Also, Diana's father had been physically and mentally abusive to Frances (which always affects the children)... she left him for another man and also became quite religious. I think Diana's situation (during the marriage to Charles) was just too much for Frances to handle, especially with her own mother Ruth Fermoy against her (close friend of the QM).

Diana went from one dysfunctional family to another.

It's too bad that Dina never had a chance to grow into her own self before she got married; she went from one bad situation to another and a large part of this is because her father was an abuser and her stepmother domineering (I wonder if abusers need domineering women), then her mother was useless. As for the bad situation being too much to handle, well, frankly, Frances escaped from a bad situation, but in a lot of ways left Diana behind ot fend for herself when Diana needed her. Frances became way too focused on protecting herself and not remembering her daughter she left behind.
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I give her credit for staying alive and doing her best for her kids. She could easily have chucked in the towel, but ultimately she was too strong for that

I admire her so much for that. I have watched videos of her and I realize how magical she was to so many, I understand it completely.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Cressida on February 03, 2013, 10:23:52 pm
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She was magical to me - I was 7yrs old when the engagement was on TV and I thought she was the most beautiful princess. I used to draw pictures of her. All my adolescence and until I was about 15 I kept meticulous scrapbooks of everything she did. I'm afraid to say I threw them away when I was in my early 20s but I always followed her and was fascinated by her. When she died I was devastated, it was such a huge shock and I felt so angry that the royal family had thrown away their best asset.

That's why it makes me cross when the media tries to paint Kate as the new Diana, she is so far from being it's ridiculous.

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Post by: CathyJane on February 04, 2013, 02:31:34 am
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Diana's sisters didn't lend a hand either, sad to say. But Diana accomplished so much for having a limited education and no family support and I admire her for that.

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Post by: YooperModerator on February 04, 2013, 06:28:10 pm
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good point, many other might have gone truly wrong under these conditions.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: memyselfandroyals on February 05, 2013, 12:34:29 am
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poor diana, she sufered so much

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Aliza on February 05, 2013, 09:30:02 am
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Quote from: serene grace on February 02, 2013, 02:03:12 am
And Diana didn't always suffer from the disorder, it was only at certain points in her life. Diana looked very healthy for much of her life it was only a certain point where you can see she was suffering from the eating issue.

I think she got it under control.

:hello: Hi, I'm new here, though I've been lurking and enjoying all of your comments for quite some time. You're certainly a well-informed and hilarious (in a positive way, of course) group!

I just wanted to mention that Paul Burrell, Rosa Monckton and some of the more reliable biographers of Diana wrote/said that the Princess struggled with bulimia from shortly after her engagement until the end of her life. Burrell in particular spoke about it extensively in an interview he gave for a show called, "Diana at Fifty", and he was even more explicit about it in outtakes of the interview which were available on the network's site for about a year after it aired.

On the bright side, they also said that she was getting a lot of distance from it the last few years of her life, especially after the divorce went through, although her tumultuous last months with Hasnat Khan supposedly took her a bit backwards as far as times between episodes went.

Please excuse my poor English as it is not my first language and not only do I make huge mistakes, but sometimes I just sound very awkward... :sorry: I sometimes run my posts through Google translate, but my native English speaking friends laugh and tell me it only makes it worse! :shy:

SereneGrace, I just had to mention how much I love your avatar of pictures at the bottom of your posts; it's absolutely lovely! :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 05, 2013, 11:10:35 am
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Thank you. :thankyou:

It's sad to know she was still going through the bulimia issues.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: YooperModerator on February 05, 2013, 11:55:46 am
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Welcome aliza :hello:
Nice to see you came out of your lurking state
I hope you continue to post and don't worry about your english you're not the only one with typos and odd sentences lol

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Post by: serene grace on February 05, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
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The Royal Chef‏@darrenmcgrady

:William: Wills wont listen to grey suits #BadTimingHoliday "Headstrong like his father"

His mothers quote, not mine

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It seems Diana certainly knew her son! :cookie:

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Post by: terrajoule on February 05, 2013, 10:04:41 pm
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:William: <~ (I gotta say...that is one busted

emotion!) lol

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Southern Belle on February 05, 2013, 10:16:42 pm
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Remember how mortified Diana was by that very early picture of herself with the transparent skirt? I think she would have taken a very dim view of Waity's fashion show pictures, crotch shot pictures, and topless balcony pictures.

I think it's likely Diana would have ended the relationship the minute the fashion show pictures hit the press.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Aliza on February 05, 2013, 10:25:24 pm
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Thank you so much, serene grace and Akasha for such a warm and friendly welcome. It's appreciated more than I can say. :thankyou:

On this topic, I think Diana would've eaten the Middletons for breakfast. With her intuition, she'd have seen through them immediately, IMHO - and sent them packing before William got a chance to get attached to Kate, and there would have been no mummy issues for Carole to get a grip of. I don't think she'd have cared so much about their social background, but the social climbing would have appalled her. And that's without mentioning what the Earl's daughter who cleaned toilets and changed diapers would have thought of Kate doing nothing but waiting for almost a decade. I think that would have been anathema to Diana, to put it mildly!

I also agree with the posters who say he would have never been "hiding" at St Andrews for four years had Diana been alive, but would have gone to one of the Oxbridge colleges. I think she'd have known the dangers of him getting used to that much anonymity for so long, especially since this is the boy, who upon starting pre-prep at age five, told his Mother that he didn't like "togrophers", as Ken Wharfe tells it. (That's why it annoys me when he drags out poor Diana from the grave every time he wants to go to war against the media. His dislike of them preceded Diana's death by at least ten years.)

As far as Camilla, I really don't know... I think, maybe if Diana were happy in a second marriage, with the daughter she always wanted, she might have been able to be civil to Mrs P-B. And IMHO, she would have stayed Mrs P-B if Diana had lived.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: memyselfandroyals on February 06, 2013, 01:04:08 am
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welcome aliza!! i am loving your posts :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 06, 2013, 01:40:16 am
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As far as Camilla, I really don't know... I think, maybe if Diana were happy in a second marriage, with the daughter she always wanted, she might have been able to be civil to Mrs P-B. And IMHO, she would have stayed Mrs P-B if Diana had lived.

I often think that if Diana had lived, Charles might have prevented her from remarrying and losing her Princess title, while Diana would have prevented Charles from marrying Camilla and prevented him from being distracted from his sons during their most impressionable and vulnerable years.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 06, 2013, 05:26:10 pm
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On thing Diana was not, was lazy. She would had steered William into better work ethics (RAF), charities and guided him to be prepared for the position of monarch he eventually ( well maybe) would be in.
Carole would not be in the picture of the RF at all. Diana was not 'trashy'. Carole would had not been in her circle nor in William's circle.
Camilla? I believe Diana would had by then found herself a steady partner/husband and would had moved on as most of us move on with things of the past.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Aliza on February 07, 2013, 07:12:54 am
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Thanks ever so much, memyselfandroyals, for both the welcome and such a kind and gracious compliment. :flower: The friendly attitude here is just so refreshing!

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As far as Camilla, I really don't know... I think, maybe if Diana were happy in a second marriage, with the daughter she always wanted, she might have been able to be civil to Mrs P-B. And IMHO, she would have stayed Mrs P-B if Diana had lived.

I often think that if Diana had lived, Charles might have prevented her from remarrying and losing her Princess title, while Diana would have prevented Charles from marrying Camilla and prevented him from being distracted from his sons during their most impressionable and vulnerable years.

I never really thought about Diana being that keen on retaining the Princess title, but you very well might be correct; she certainly literally shed tears over losing the HRH, but I'd never really considered if that would have kept her from seeking a happier second marriage and more children. You've certainly given me something to think about, Kuei Fei - and that's always a good thing! :thumbsup:

The strongest and most non-emotional (towards Diana, Charles and Camilla) reason why I think Charles would not have married Camilla had Diana lived is simply because it would have jeopardized his future as the next King. Since he is to be (at least as it stands now) "Defender of the (Anglican) Faith" which forbids divorce and remarriage - I can't see how a divorced man could have remarried outside the Church and still taken vows in that Church at a Coronation which would make him titular head of that church. The Establishment and Church had a difficult time with him marrying a divorced woman, and as we all know, would only give a blessing. If Charles had been just divorced, himself, instead of a widower, I think it might have been next to impossible to arrange an accomodation that would not have effected his constitutional position. JMHO, of course - and I'm certainly no expert on British Constitutional Law, to say the least. :dontknow:

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 07, 2013, 08:16:13 am
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Diana would have had to meet and marry quite the guy who could offer her something of what she used to have. She might have lost her apartment in Kensington palace as well and her courtesy title was the last thing she had left that enabled her to move at a high level with ease, the level she was used to. By remaining single she kept Charles from even bothering to try to rehabilitate Camilla to the point of making her acceptable as marriage material. Maybe through keeping William centered she might have ended up bonding more with Charles over that rather than her dying and giving Camilla the chance to end up married and William being adrift.

The Midds only got William because Diana died and I think Diana would have enjoyed the challenge of keeping the social climbers at bay and Charles would have been less occupied with getting Camilla acceptable as wife/Queen material and more focused on his boys.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: lothwen on February 07, 2013, 01:30:02 pm
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I would think that Diana would have wanted a man who was fully devoted and in love with her, and anything like houses and cars and other material goods would be extras.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: rainbow on February 07, 2013, 02:09:27 pm
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Although I absolutely agree that the climber tons wouldn't have got anywhere near PW in the unlikely event that they did get close I think a lot of it would have centred upon her relationship with Charles. I read somewhere that before her death they were friendly and I would like to think that they would have united to protect him and yes maybe even with camilla.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2013, 03:28:14 pm
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I think Diana and Charles were "civil" to each other but not "friendly." Diana was said to be hurt by Charles hosting a lavish party for Camilla's 50th at Highgrove. It was incentive for her to leave the country at the time. Judging by Charles spin after Diania died, he didn't act like he was "friendly" to her in the least.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: lothwen on February 07, 2013, 03:45:56 pm
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I think that the farther they got away from the divorce, the more civil, and "friendlier" they would have gotten. I don't think they would have been "friends" necessarily.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2013, 05:33:04 pm
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They would have tolerated each other at royal events. But I think there would never be a thawing out. Camilla's machinations with Diana were truly hurtful and I think Camilla always loathed Diana.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: AnaBolena on February 07, 2013, 05:36:22 pm
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Quote from: sandy on February 07, 2013, 03:28:14 pm
I think Diana and Charles were "civil" to each other but not "friendly." Diana was said to be hurt by Charles hosting a lavish party for Camilla's 50th at Highgrove. It was incentive for her to leave the country at the time. Judging by Charles spin after Diania died, he didn't act like he was "friendly" to her in the least.

Wrong, he always after the divorce sent her Birthday, Valentines and Christmas gifts.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2013, 06:31:40 pm
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Yes, but he didn't protect her name after she died. I think he condoned the trashing that took place, in any case he did not do anything to stop it. The trashing came from his relatives, sympathizers and friends. He should have made her non-negotiable at least for the sake of his sons. He was just obsessed with getting Camilla accepted and if the late ex had to be thrown under a bus, so be it. I don't think all was sunshine and roses between them, Diana was said to be guarded and Charles was by then "with" a woman who loathed Diana.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Aliza on February 07, 2013, 09:14:21 pm
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Quote from: sandy on February 07, 2013, 06:31:40 pm
Yes, but he didn't protect her name after she died. I think he condoned the trashing that took place, in any case he did not do anything to stop it. The trashing came from his relatives, sympathizers and friends. He should have made her non-negotiable at least for the sake of his sons. He was just obsessed with getting Camilla accepted and if the late ex had to be thrown under a bus, so be it. I don't think all was sunshine and roses between them, Diana was said to be guarded and Charles was by then "with" a woman who loathed Diana.

I agree with you, Sandy. Charles allowed Marc Bolland to take the gloves off and ensure that Jonathan Dimbleby's chapter and research notes accusing Diana of having Borderline Personality Disorder were made available to both Penny Junor and Sally Bedell Smith - both anti-Diana biographers. Charles wouldn't let this be published during Diana's lifetime for several reasons, IMO: He was afraid of Diana's popularity with the media and the public; he was afraid of Diana's retribution; his sons would know it came with his approval as Dimbleby's bio was authorized by Charles; and common sense (and probably several psychiatrists) told him no one can be diagnosed by a biographer and that no victim of BPD could maintain a public life in the manner Diana did so ably.

Once she couldn't defend herself, Bolland had a free pass to besmirch Diana in any and every way he wished to smooth the way for Camilla. Not the actions of a gentleman.

I often wonder if Charles lets William get away with such a bad attitude towards duty and the (non paparazzi) media is because he feels guilty over the way he treated his sons' Mother. Perhaps that's one of the reasons there was no reaction against Kate and the Middletons? (I'm not even sure I believe this myself, but it has occured to me from time to time so I thought I'd throw it out there.)

I wonder too, what would have been the fate of the Will/Waity romance if the Queen Mother had been twenty years younger. If Charles wouldn't marry Camilla when his Granny was alive, and Camilla was at least of the proper social class in the QM's eyes, then what would have been her reaction to the "wisteria sisters"? That makes me want to reach for a Dubonnet and gin, myself, LOL! But I'm sure it belongs in another thread.

Kuei Fei, I don't think Diana would have lost her accomodation at KP, had she remarried, for the reason that William and Harry would have needed a secure place to spend their time with their Mum in the UK; I'm sure HM would have rather kept her at KP, thus keeping an eye on her, rather than entrusting Wills and Harry to outside security. JMHO. But the more I think about it the more I do think you're right about the Princess title being hard to part with for Diana. As Mother of a future King, might she have been given another title?

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 07, 2013, 10:29:

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I think Diana would be living in her own Country estate purchased with part of her settlement and also have a place in one of the Palaces still, but not near Charles.

I believe that Diana would have given William a good talkin-to and the back of her hand by now. :bat:

She would have never stood for the mess he's been giving out to the Palace.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Spice on February 07, 2013, 10:50:23 pm
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I'm sure Diana would have stopped the Climbertons from getting anywhere near William. I think even if she had lost her Princess title, while it would have hurt her, it wouldn't have stopped her moving in the same circles and doing everything she was doing. As Lady Diana Spencer everyone would have known who she was. I think she would have been given another title, perhaps a life peerage as the Duchess, Marchioness, or Countess of something. Probably Duchess. Duchess of Althorp?

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on February 08, 2013, 12:37:58 am
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I think Diana would have gotten rid of Kate right after the catwalk. What we need is a thread that asks Why Charles did nothing to stop the obvious climb of the Middleton clan on Williams back. Diana could not have stopped them because she died young but Charles could have done something and didn't. Is Charles just plain spineless?

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 08, 2013, 01:59:

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James Whitaker said the Palace viewed Kate as girlfriend material, not wife material when she and William met and were dating in University. I think they thought Kate would go her own way and William would cut himself from her grasp, but the Palace did not seem to understand how determined Kate was or how much William was in so deep with the Middleton's.

I think the Palace should have sent him away for two years traveling the globe and continuing his education after University.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: CathyJane on February 08, 2013, 02:10:39 am
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Quote from: Snokitty on February 08, 2013, 12:37:58 am
I think Diana would have gotten rid of Kate right after the catwalk. What we need is a thread that asks Why Charles did nothing to stop the obvious climb of the Middleton clan on Williams back. Diana could not have stopped them because she died young but Charles could have done something and didn't. Is Charles just plain spineless?

Yes I really think Chucky is a spineless whiney girl.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Spice on February 08, 2013, 03:00:45 am
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My theory is that tricking Charles was as much a part of the strategy as tricking William. What a pathetic excuse for men these two are.

Maybe the Midds have dirt on Charles.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on February 08, 2013, 04:31:29 am
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James Whitaker said the Palace viewed Kate as girlfriend material, not wife material when she and William met and were dating in University. I think they thought Kate would go her own way and William would cut himself from her grasp, but the Palace did not seem to understand how determined Kate was or how much William was in so deep with the Middleton's.

I admired how Whittaker laid it all out in his interviews. He was part of the old school of royalty, when royalty actually meant something and I daresay that he ahd every reason to logically believe that Kate would have a good run, understand it's time to move on, and then end up letting go of William after a while. As for getting in too deep, until you are married, you are never in too deep that you can't get out if you choose to. He could have gotten out easily and could have gotten through this just fine. If they had something on him, he should have come clean and fessed up and done some penance. As for the palace, they should have definitely stepped in and ended up being more decisive. He was in over his head and needed to get out and then put in his place.
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I think the Palace should have sent him away for two years traveling the globe and continuing his education after University.

Yeah; an overseas tour and a series of positions in various commonwealth countries would have certainly put needed space between him and Kate, while enabling him to ready himself much better for military training. He would have had a solid body of work behind him and ended up putting him on a better track. He would have probably been a lot more assertive and a lot more decisive and would have had public support if he had taken up with her, but then dumped her.

I wonder how things might have worked out with Diana in her life. Charles/Camilla would still mainly be lovers, but I think Kate never would have been on the radar.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: mississippigirl on February 09, 2013, 06:51:43 pm
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Diana was very possessive when it came to the women in her boys life. I honestly think that the Middletons wouldnt be able to take Diana's constant need to butt into Williams life. I think if everyone would have listened to his ex nanny Barbara, who said the boys arent normal so they shouldnt be brought up to think that way. Im not saying live a sheltered life but somehow find an easy balance. I think Diana would tell Kates family to hit the road because Carole is too involved. I think she could take a father because she could flirt with a man but a woman a different story.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: YooperModerator on February 09, 2013, 11:49:20 pm
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Methinks that this mother bear called diana would have buried the midds clan before they could sink their claws into William
Whether or not they would still be alive during that burial is something I'm not sure of

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: dianab on February 10, 2013, 03:05:27 pm
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I'm with these who doubt William even would have met Kate if Diana was alive. I dont think he would attended to St Andrews. About Charles & Camilla I dont think Diana would give a damn. But I, indeed, believe she would laugh very much the big mess of their wedding was and she would purposely be out & about in that day only for shows the big laugh that mess of a wedding was giving to her. I do think she would have remarry and had others children and living abroad and will be involved in serious Africa issues.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 10, 2013, 06:35:54 pm
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I think she would have eventually been given an Ambassadorship maybe in one of the UK territories(one of the islands perhaps). I think that scared the Royal Family too, a divorced-rogue Princess on the world stage in her own right with her own position.

I'm not sure about marriage though or kids for Diana, she may have enjoyed her own status and image on the world stage, on her own. I don't think she'd want to stop being Princess, which she would have had to, if she remarried.
Just my opinion.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on February 10, 2013, 08:24:24 pm
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I think it would have been a long time if ever for Diana to remarry because the first time around was so terrible.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: serene grace on February 10, 2013, 08:31:38 pm
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I recall she told someone(maybe Rosa Monkton?) she needed marriage again like a "bad rash!" No way she was thinking of marriage just after what she had been through with her Royal marriage to Charles. imo

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Jane23 on February 11, 2013, 09:08:03 am
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Di vs Carole would have been fun that's for sure :sigh:.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 11, 2013, 03:34:33 pm
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Quote from: serene grace on February 10, 2013, 08:31:38 pm
I recall she told someone(maybe Rosa Monkton?) she needed marriage again like a "bad rash!" No way she was thinking of marriage just after what she had been through with her Royal marriage to Charles. imo

I agree. I think she would have dated but not rushed into anything. If she found Mr Right she would have remarried. But I pointed out on another thread Diana would not be a "failure" if she didn't remarry. She had her work and her family and would not doubt joyously welcome grandchildren.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: AnaBolena on February 11, 2013, 06:28:39 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on February 11, 2013, 09:08:03 am
Di vs Carole would have been fun that's for sure :sigh:.

Ouch! I can imagine hair pulling, screaming at each other and whatever else. :laugh:

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 11, 2013, 08:40:01 pm
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It would have been a welcome sight to see Diana sitting up front as mother of the groom at the wedding. Too bad she missed out on the wedding of her eldest. I think Diana and Carole would be vying for weekends with the baby.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: CathyJane on February 12, 2013, 03:37:03 am
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Di vs Carole would have been fun that's for sure :sigh:.

Ouch! I can imagine hair pulling, screaming at each other and whatever else. :laugh:

Even though Ma is obviously a dirty fighter, I can see Diana winning; her child is being 'threatened' and she was younger and probably stronger.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 12, 2013, 02:15:55 pm
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Quote from: mississippigirl on February 09, 2013, 06:51:43 pm
Diana was very possessive when it came to the women in her boys life. I honestly think that the Middletons wouldnt be able to take Diana's constant need to butt into Williams life. I think if everyone would have listened to his ex nanny Barbara, who said the boys arent normal so they shouldnt be brought up to think that way. Im not saying live a sheltered life but somehow find an easy balance. I think Diana would tell Kates family to hit the road because Carole is too involved. I think she could take a father because she could flirt with a man but a woman a different story.

How was she possessive when it came to the women in her boys life? William was not seriously dating anybody at the time Diana died and Harry was only 12.

Diana did not "butt into" William's life I think she was a caring mother and advised him and didn't cosset him the way his father did after Diana died. Diana never brought up the boys to be "normal". She wanted them to be aware of her heritage and this is public record. I think she'd be appalled at William playing "normal" when it suited him to avoid royal and charitable work. He twisted her advice to suit him so he could disappear and do very little. I think she'd have been a good influence and a counter to Carole and Michael's influence and they seem to encourage William and enable the laziness. Charles also may have stepped up to the plate too with Diana there and not cosseted his son as much.

But had Diana been alive I think William would have not married Kate since he probably would have gone to another Uni and perhaps taken a semester in the U.S. It would have been ideal if William met his wife to be through a common interest in serious charity work.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: YooperModerator on February 12, 2013, 02:27:32 pm
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err for example tiggy was a woman in the boy's life look how she reacted to her and that was just a nanny!
and I read stories that she wasn't always nice to the other nanny's who became too close to the boy's either!
I think that's what she meant with 'possessive about women in their life'
for some reason I don't think that Diana would have been an easy MIL to live with
I mean the press would have made comparisons on every thing (they are still doing it) and I think we al know who would come out favourable!

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: sandy on February 12, 2013, 02:52:02 pm
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A nanny is way different from a girlfriend. It's a stretch to compare them since there the boys didn't have serious relationships in Diana's lifetime. It's not possible to make this assumption about Diana since there is no proof she would do this. She probably would have liked to have been around as the boys grew up. It is a tragic thing and I don't think Diana would be the mother in law from hell. That's just wrong to condemn her with no proof.

Tiggy trashed Diana's parenting skills to the press. I don't blame Diana for being annoyed. Plus Diana felt that custody of the boys could be an issue and with Charles flaunting a surrogate mother she felt she could lose access to her sons. It is a different ballgame than being "possessive." It would make any mother worried to see the father showing up with a substitute mother and said substitute mother trashing the mother. This needs to be put in perspective.

Olga the nanny who died recently was not sacked by Diana and she replaced Barbara Barnes. Diana did fire Barbara Barnes and Charles apparently agreed--there were reasons for that which will never be known. In any case the boys still kept in touch with Barbara and Diana didn't "stop them." Camilla had a hand in sacking Tiggy after Diana died because I think she felt she had a crush on Charles. The nanny stories need to be put in perspective. This is all propaganda from Charles' camp. Why not bash Charles for firing Tiggy at Camila's behest. Diana was dead and had nothing to do with it. The boys still invite Tiggy to events in their lives before and after Diana's death and Tiggy invited the boys and Charles to her wedding (and pointedly not Camilla Parker Bowles).

As I said I doubt Kate would have been in William's life had Diana lived.

William and Kate would not "live with" Diana. I think Diana would have remarried and had at least another child and unlike her son would be busy with charities and serious work I would rather see Diana with her son's family and Harry's future family than seeing Camilla with them. Camilla being involved with Diana's grandchildren gives me the creeps.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Snokitty on February 12, 2013, 05:37:17 pm
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I knew a woman who had divorced and her husband had remarried. On the weekends when the Dad had the children the second wife would make them go to church every Sunday, the Mother didn't make them go to church.

The 2nd wife came to pick the children up one day and the eldest said he didn't want to go to his Dad's house anymore. Apparently the 2nd wife was using the weekends to try and get rid of the heathen ways of their Mothers influence.

The Mother said she would call the Dad and see what he said about working out the situation but the 2nd wife thought she should be in control because as she said "I am the wife now and we make our decisions together without you". The Mother told her she would speak to the Father and the boy was staying home with her until she did. The 2nd wife got the boy by the arm and told him to get in the car. The Mother unleashed on her like a Lioness. The 2nd wife wound up with a broken nose and two black eyes and the boy stayed with the Mother that week end.

The 2nd wife sued for pain, suffering, humiliation and medical costs. After hearing the details the Judge told the 2nd wife that was not her child and she had no right to try and undermine the Mothers way of raising her child and should remember that she was nothing more than the Dads wife which gave her no rights at all.

Tiggy should have remembered that she was a Nanny and nothing more. What Diana did to Tiggy by making her cry in public was mild compared to what could have happened.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Habanera on February 20, 2013, 06:16:32 am
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IMO Diana would have never allowed these greedy Midds in. As for marriage, I really don't see her getting married after what she went through with PC.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 20, 2013, 10:47:42 am
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I don't think that WK would have cohabited if Diana had been around and that would have diminished Kate's influence considerably. Kate had a lot of leverage against William because he (while living with her) wasn't able to really get to know other girls and bring them around if he wanted to. So really, he was trapped and then Kate spent all her time following him around London or creating dramas that he was obligated (which he did to himself) to go and rescue her constantly.

If Diana had ended up being there, he might have been more comfortable with press coverage and also ended up being in a more cosmopolitan setting than St. Andrews; he might have been around friends or he might have gone to an international school and enjoyed meeting people from similar backgrounds.
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Tiggy should have remembered that she was a Nanny and nothing more.

I really wish Charles had stood up for Diana against the snotty members of his clique; Edward VII never let any of his friends and mistresses insult Alexandra and the help didn't have the guts to say the stuff that Tiggy has. That nanny should have never taken it upon herself to dare speak in public about Diana and her mothering. Cripes, is Charles unable to find people around him to know their places and boundaries. I think the comment Diana made was malicious and out of line, if I were Diana I would have been a lot more devious about my revenge.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Alexander on February 20, 2013, 09:06:30 pm
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I imagine Diana would have probably pushed Georgetown for William. It seems to be the de facto school for heirs now.

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Title: Re: What would Princess Diana do about KM, Carole and Camilla?
Post by: Emperor on February 20, 2013, 10:26:19 pm
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^^ Georgetown University in Washington DC? Heh he would have ended up marrying some US politician's daughter. :cookie:

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: Aliza on February 22, 2013, 03:15:38 am
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Quote from: sandy on November 13, 2012, 02:37:56 pm
Sally Bedell Smith is no Diana fan so her views are rather skewed.

I so agree with you! Sally Bedell Smith (along with Penny Junor) were both fed and then regurgitated info from the infamous deleted chapter of Dimbleby's authorized biography of Charles that tried to "diagnose" Diana as suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder, which Diana could not have had; she wouldn't have been capable of living a public life in the manner that she did if she had BPD, nevermind that only a psychologist or psychiatrist who examined Diana could have made such a diagnosis.

I don't believe Diana was one bit afraid of the Queen. Cowardice was not a part of Diana's make-up in the least, on the contrary - she was brave enough to take on the entire British Establishment and shrewd enough to win the game. The Panorama interview alone, IMHO, proves she had no fear of the Queen.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 05:08:35 pm
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Quote from: sandy on November 13, 2012, 02:37:56 pm
Sally Bedell Smith is no Diana fan so her views are rather skewed.

I think it would need to be a non fan of either Charles or Diana to be totally unbiased.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 05:12:27 pm
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There is bias and there is Bias. I think bringing in an amateur diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder for Diana goes way above and beyond good taste and shows a really obvious sympathy for the Prince. Diana can't sue them because she's dead and Dimbleby didn't dare print it in his book about Charles for fear of reprisal since the Princess was still alive. And I think she'd have nailed him to the wall in court had he dared do it.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 05:38:05 pm
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Quote from: sandy on February 22, 2013, 05:12:27 pm
There is bias and there is Bias. I think bringing in an amateur diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder for Diana goes way above and beyond good taste and shows a really obvious sympathy for the Prince. Diana can't sue them because she's dead and Dimbleby didn't dare print it in his book about Charles for fear of reprisal since the Princess was still alive. And I think she'd have nailed him to the wall in court had he dared do it.

Sandy, I replied without even a thought of the supposed diagnosis. I don't much care for diagnosis based on word of mouth and that includes Charles saying she had the disorder or Diana saying she didn't.

What they both had was bad enough to create a nuclear bomb of a relationship.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 06:03:04 pm
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No amateur medical or psychological diagnosis by a writer is appropriate no matter what or who the person is. Diana was dead and not around to deny anything thrown at her by these writers.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 06:13:56 pm
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Quote from: sandy on February 22, 2013, 06:03:04 pm
No amateur medical or psychological diagnosis by a writer is appropriate no matter what or who the person is. Diana was dead and not around to deny anything thrown at her by these writers.

I agree, Sandy, but the hype about the borderline issue was around while she was alive. To my knowledge I don't think anyone really addressed it - I mean other than writers who are guessing.

www.something-fishy.org/isf/mentalhealth.php

That makes for an interesting read - Diana et al aside.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
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If no doctor who treated Diana came forward and issued papers of his or her diagnosis, there is no proof. If amateur diagnoses are "acceptable" all psychologists and Psychiatrists would not have jobs. Dimbleby just opened a college textbook and made his own diagnosis. Where was his degree in psychology? And evidence that he treated Diana let alone even capable of it? The only person who spoke up and actually treated Diana said that Diana had bulimia and she had gotten it under control. And it speaks volumes that Dimbleby did not put it in his book. If it were a "fact" with proof to back it up he'd have had no reason not to.

Authors could say that Zelda Fitzgerald had mental problems because Real Doctors treated her and the records were available to biographers. There is nothing similar for Diana.

What Dimbleby et al were trying to do was to prove "mitigating circumstances" for Charles to cheat on his wife (if he had a "mad" wife it was OK (LOL) to cheat. A very weak argument and pretty pathetic IMO. And it speaks and spoke volumes that only people who didn't like or don't like Diana pay any attention to it.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 06:30:00 pm
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With all due reverence, Sandy, no doctor could legally produce papers "if" any existed.

Diana herself admitted to bullimia and self harm and depression. Her bulimia was established as a troubled youngster - she never denied that herself.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 06:36:30 pm
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We are not talking about Bulimia the accusation was she had BPD. Why should it have to be Proven that she didn't have BPD. And again, Dimbleby made the charge and after Diana died anything went including the BPD diagnosis. I think if Diana had had BPD she herself would have admitted it and been candid about it. Why not let the dead rest in peace instead of giving credence to these fanciful fabrications to try to defend Charles. Diana was treated for Bulimia which a doctor that treated her said came about due to stress of being in the marriage to the Prince. She sought treatment and got it under control, give the woman a break. I am glad she got treated for it and got it under control and had some bulimia free years which is what counts. Eating disorders like ulcers happen due to stress.

Diana was not a mental case because she said no to Charles and complained about Camilla. I think that is the direction these authors/amateur shrinks want to go in. Sorry not buying it.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 06:51:51 pm
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Sandy, I wasn't agreeing to any of it. You have lost me. :dontknow: I never once said that whether she had BPD had to be proven. Where did I say that?

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Why not let the dead rest in peace instead of giving credence to these fanciful fabrications to try to defend Charles.

Please cut the false accusations, ok, because if they were about Diana you sure wouldn't accuse falsely - but it's fine to do it to other women? I was never sticking up for Charles - I didn't even wish to discuss him with you.

Please do not tell me what stress can do to one's body. Have you ever thought that Diana isn't the only woman around with a story? Many woman have one.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 06:53:37 pm
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The thing is that there are people who believe the stories about Diania. Not singling you out.

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: AnaBolena on February 22, 2013, 06:57:58 pm
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The thing with me is I honestly don't know what is true and what isn't, so I judge neither party harshly. I "try" to understand, but being married to a neuropsychiatrist a good decade older than myself gives me a little insight I may not have had otherwise.

Maybe one day everything about both of them will come out - who knows? :dontknow:

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: Snokitty on February 22, 2013, 07:20:18 pm
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I may be shooting myself in the foot here but shall enter the conversation anyway.

Diana was a woman who wore her heart on her sleeve and because of that she was very emotional. Charles didn't understand the emotions females have because the ones he was surrounded by were and are very cold in that way. (that includes Camilla she will accept what is dished out & take it)

Diana never showed signs of BPD what she showed signs of was a woman who was being emotional abused and was in emotional distress. For that reason alone I believe a lot more of what she says about the relationship.

Having your husbands mistress (and we all now know that Camilla was his mistress) as part of your marriage from the onset would be very emotionally distressing for any female at any age. Diana was a girl with little to no support which means it would have felt like the end of the world for her.

Did Diana make some bad moves, yes she did. When you factor in her age and the life that she was living at the time they are very human moves.

Were Charles moves caused because of being a human, no they were very calculating and cold trying to save his reputation which is because of his feelings of entitlement. (I could do an entire chapter on that and the royals)

Did Diana destroy his reputation because it meant so much to him, yes she did and she did it for revenge.

Is Charles nothing more than a whiner, yes he is.

(I just added the last part because I get sick of royal whining.) :tehe:

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Title: Re: Princess Diana's "terror" of the Queen
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2013, 07:33:49 pm
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To add to this there was "no retreat" for Diana during the stressful times (very stressful times). Camilla can scoot over to Raymill and have "me time" without Charles. Kate has a huge support group in her family and spends time there. Diana's relatives seemed to offer little or no support--her mother was distant and her father didn't want to know if anything were wrong with the marriage (he was proud that his daughter married the Prince and didn't want to hear any negativity). It was even difficult for her to have her friends around to see her.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: mysha on March 31, 2013, 02:12:19 pm
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Not sure if anyone else read this

news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/03/31/13/52/mercury-took-princess-diana-to-a-gay-bar-in-drag

It put a smile on my face. After seeing all her stunning pictures, that always make me tear up. This was a happy story

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Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 31, 2013, 05:25:15 pm
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Never knew that. Thanks for posting.

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Post by: CathyJane on April 01, 2013, 03:53:51 am
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Quote from: mysha on March 31, 2013, 02:12:19 pm
Not sure if anyone else read this

news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/03/31/13/52/mercury-took-princess-diana-to-a-gay-bar-in-drag

It put a smile on my face. After seeing all her stunning pictures, that always make me tear up. This was a happy story

What a cool thing to do!! I'll bet she had a blast being unseen and able to enjoy herself. :thumbsup:

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Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on April 01, 2013, 05:03:11 pm
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For sure CathyJane. Most normal people after having the cameras clicking away on their faces all the time, must enjoy the anonymity, if just for a little while. Do note I said 'normal' because some people just love the cameras on their faces.

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Post by: dianab on April 02, 2013, 09:58:13 pm
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The Sun April 1st 2013: The Village People's Princess
www.princess-diana-remembered.com/uploads/5/3/3/5/5335384/2013-04-01-_1.jpg
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Post by: CathyJane on April 02, 2013, 10:29:14 pm
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Quote from: Mon Roi Henry IX on April 01, 2013, 05:03:11 pm
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For sure CathyJane. Most normal people after having the cameras clicking away on their faces all the time, must enjoy the anonymity, if just for a little while. Do note I said 'normal' because some people just love the cameras on their faces.

:thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: serene grace on April 11, 2013, 07:29:22 pm
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1986: The people's princess became so popular that her face could sell any magazine, no matter the content.

Read more: www.businessinsider.com/the-evolution-of-princess-diana-2012-8?op=1#ixzz2QBFZr8X2

Some great old magazine covers and interesting headlines.

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Post by: Snokitty on May 25, 2013, 07:15:58 pm
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networkedblogs.com/LzFUh
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Yet another new Diana conspiracy hardback is set to be released later this year on August 29th.

Called The Princess Diana Conspiracy, and is written by author Alan Power, it is described as the book publishers withdrew because their lawyers said it was "too dangerous".

Offering evidence that Diana was definitely murdered, and that the order for her murder had to have been given by someone "in a position of considerable power".

Also revealing the paparazzi were kept away from the inquest into Diana's death by "political intervention".

Pre-order now from Amazon now priced £ 18.99

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Post by: mysha on May 25, 2013, 09:52:06 pm
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Quote from: Snokitty on May 25, 2013, 07:15:58 pm
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Yet another new Diana conspiracy hardback is set to be released later this year on August 29th.

Called The Princess Diana Conspiracy, and is written by author Alan Power, it is described as the book publishers withdrew because their lawyers said it was "too dangerous".

Offering evidence that Diana was definitely murdered, and that the order for her murder had to have been given by someone "in a position of considerable power".

Also revealing the paparazzi were kept away from the inquest into Diana's death by "political intervention".

Pre-order now from Amazon now priced £ 18.99

I just ordered mine with Amazon.THink this might be very close to the truth

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Post by: CathyJane on May 28, 2013, 04:17:05 am
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Thanks for the heads up! I'm going to see if my public lib can order it.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: serene grace on June 25, 2013, 03:06:43 pm
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Heroes and villains

Two auctions featuring Princess Diana, Monica Lewinsky, President Kennedy, Wallis Simpson and Adolf Hitler

thesteepletimes.com/opulence-splendour/heroes-and-villains/

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Post by: Royal Lowness on July 15, 2013, 11:31:31 pm
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Quote from: mysha on March 31, 2013, 02:12:19 pm
Not sure if anyone else read this

news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/03/31/13/52/mercury-took-princess-diana-to-a-gay-bar-in-drag

...

That would be awful, if true, but I wouldn't believe 'comedienne' Cleo Rocos, nor Murdoch's rag, The Sunday Times (which still refers to Princess Diana as having died "in a car crash").

bignono

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Post by: Tatiana on July 16, 2013, 02:49:25 am
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She had the most infectious giggle.

No one will ever know just how many families of sick children she visited and corresponded with... The Unique Irreplaceable Diana.

We shall not see another like her for many a year, if ever, in the RF.

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Post by: Anne-Elliot on July 16, 2013, 06:06:24 pm
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For UK members:

Behind-the-scenes TV documentary on Channel 4 tonight (16th July) @ 9pm - Princess Diana's Dresses: The Auction

www.channel4.com/programmes/princess-dianas-dresses-the-auction

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Title: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 10, 2013, 06:35:23 am
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What do you think are mistakes Diana made in life? What could she have done differently?

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: rosielinks on August 10, 2013, 12:13:33 pm
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Once married Diana should have kept up the pretence that she liked outdoor pursuits.

Once she realised Camilla was so interested in hunting, she should have learnt to ride and got on the hunt too. (This would have thwarted a lot of Camilla and PC's meet ups)

Diana should have been less emotional with PC. She should have realised that he is not used to people yelling at him.

She should not have got involved with the Morton book. It was a real hand grenade thrown to the monarchy. I believe she signed her own death warrant there.

She should not have done the interview with Martin Bashir - criticising PC and saying he would never be king. He must have been beside himself with rage.

She should have stuck to one or two discrete affairs, and not gone after married men. It did her reputation a lot of harm the obsessive way she pursued other people's husbands.

She should not have manipulated the press so much.

She should not have fraternised with Dodi Fayad. It was done for revenge. I think it tarnished her reputation. He was a druggy playboy.

She should not have put so much faith in astrologers. It made her look daft and needy.

If Diana had accepted that PC and Camilla were non-negotiable, she could have enjoyed her boys, her popularity with the public, carried out her good works and public duties, had a secret lover, which PC and the royals would accepted and got on with it. It would have been better for the boys and for PC and Camilla would never have become queen. Diana would still be alive and would have stopped the Midds getting anywhere near PW.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on August 10, 2013, 01:37:49 pm
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She should have perhaps done a Princess Madeleine and broke off the engagement. Trusted her gut instinct and what she was finding out about Charles during the engagement period. When she was telling people she wanted out, it's too bad they didn't listen seriously. I know she was just a 19 year old girl and they thought it was just nerves, but Diana was very intuitive and felt from the start, this was going to end badly. imo

In one of the books about her, it says when Charles proposed, Diana heard a voice in her head immediately, which said, you will never be Queen. :spy:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: rosielinks on August 10, 2013, 01:51:58 pm
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Wow I didn't know that.
It would have taken some real bravery to stop the wedding but it would have been better for everyone.
I wonder who PC would have married in the end?
His proposal was a poisoned chalice to anyone other than Camilla.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Fly on the wall on August 11, 2013, 03:23:11 am
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How granny Diana would look now, by artist who painted portrait of her as a young mum

Israel Zohar painted one of the late Princess's favourite portraits in 1990
He has updated his creation imagining what she would look like at 52
Princess Diana looks her usual serene self in this previously unseen portrait, and only a second glance reveals that all is not what it appears to be.

The artist who produced one of the late Princess’s favourite portraits in 1990 has created an updated version which imagines how she would look now at the age of 52 – and a granny.

Israel Zohar, 68, says: ‘I didn’t want to make her look too old because I don’t think she would have aged that much

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2389134/How-granny-Diana-look-artist-painted-portrait-young-mum.html

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Nighthawk on August 11, 2013, 03:51:40 am
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if Princess Diana was still with us I hope she wouldn't look that bad as the artist painted her :-

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: CathyJane on August 11, 2013, 05:15:09 am
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No kidding. :-

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Mooster on August 11, 2013, 06:55:09 pm
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I've nothing to add...my head is in another place but I just wanted to say this is a very good thread and something I've often thought about when thinking about Diana and how different her life could have been had she made different choices. She had it all, beauty and wealth...so sad how it all turned out for her :sob:

I will be interested in following it...good one Kuei Fei :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on August 11, 2013, 07:07:20 pm
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Mail On Sunday - August 11th
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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 12, 2013, 08:09:13 pm
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Quote from: rosielinks on August 10, 2013, 12:13:33 pm
Once married Diana should have kept up the pretence that she liked outdoor pursuits.

Once she realised Camilla was so interested in hunting, she should have learnt to ride and got on the hunt too. (This would have thwarted a lot of Camilla and PC's meet ups)

Diana should have been less emotional with PC. She should have realised that he is not used to people yelling at him.

She should not have got involved with the Morton book. It was a real hand grenade thrown to the monarchy. I believe she signed her own death warrant there.

She should not have done the interview with Martin Bashir - criticising PC and saying he would never be king. He must have been beside himself with rage.

She should have stuck to one or two discrete affairs, and not gone after married men. It did her reputation a lot of harm the obsessive way she pursued other people's husbands.

She should not have manipulated the press so much.

She should not have fraternised with Dodi Fayad. It was done for revenge. I think it tarnished her reputation. He was a druggy playboy.

She should not have put so much faith in astrologers. It made her look daft and needy.

If Diana had accepted that PC and Camilla were non-negotiable, she could have enjoyed her boys, her popularity with the public, carried out her good works and public duties, had a secret lover, which PC and the royals would accepted and got on with it. It would have been better for the boys and for PC and Camilla would never have become queen. Diana would still be alive and would have stopped the Midds getting anywhere near PW.

Charles had a nasty temper and felt self entitled. Diana would have had to have the patience of a saint to keep her mouth shut and not complain to him. She was a human being.

I doubt Diana would want to have "sloppy seconds" with hubby returning from bedding the mistress and going to the wife's bed. My bets are Diana would have found that repulsive. Why should she have had to put up with it.

Diana was up against two pros and Camila went and reported "her side" to the Sun Editor and Chuck's cronies leaked stories about Diana.

Diana could have gone hunting till doomsday and hubby would have found a way to be with Camilla and his friends would have seen to it.

Charles did a hatchet job on Diana and even his own parents over a year before the Dimbleby interview.

Dodi's ex and others did not say he was that "evil."

Diana's big mistake was marrying Charles who IMO was and is a mess, needing a nanny mistress to mother him.

Diana was involved with ONE married man. Hoare never commented on the nature of the relationship and Diana took it to her grave. Carling denied any affair with Diana took place. Diana did not "obsessively" go after married men. A bit harsh, don't you think?

Many people go to astrologers. I think Charlie boy was the one who was "daft"..He had many gurus and got bad advice at times.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on August 12, 2013, 09:00:21 pm
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I'm reading the book you recommended, Sandy - so far I can't comment much on this thread yet, but the book is very fair on both sides.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 09:04:40 pm
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Her biggest mistake was not running away when she found out about auld Camz

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 12, 2013, 09:17:02 pm
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The Queen-mother & Princess Margaret LOVED astrologers, at best of my knowledge they were the very first members of royal family to start likes this astrologers thing... Fergie - OH!! ALWAYS SHE - was who introduced Diana to astrologers. Frankly any person who have share the same roof with Charles (read:have your life made a hell, be as wife or staff/employees) would want at least a way elude/deceive herself/himself that a day would can get rid of that man. Looks at Camilla before and after her wedding with Charles, the woman is simply turning in a ball - seems food, alcohol & Raymill (is this name of her home?) are her way to handle be his wife (read:stress)

IMO The story of Charles & Diana is the typical of older man who led the naive & inexperienced girl on, Charles wasnt the first nor last man take advantage of a virgin & naive girl, what's worse in him related to others is the fact of him have trapped the girl in living a lie, his thing with her (reasons for him led her on) wasnt sex or have fun and then dropped her when is tired but yes used her for have heirs and trapped her in facade. D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G

The gurus of Charles are one of reasons he's made of joke since at least the 1980s. I dont remember correctly if his gurus already had affected his reputation in late 1970s and but I remember since 1980s he was made a joke because his gurus.

The biggest mistake of Diana was marry Charles, if at least one person in her family cared for her not connections would get through her (being future queen & mother of future king) that wedding never would have happened, all staff back then the engagement said how much unhappy she was during the engagement. Even the cousin of Johnnie said Diana was crying asked for his help for broken off the engagement. Carolyn Bartholomew said to J. Whitaker during the engagement Diana started have doubts because noted the problems she would have with Charles as for age gap as for barely know him.

Oh I dont think Charles longed be tampon of Camilla because she only share his like country pursuits is more something related to his ego than anything else.

imo that marriage always was doomed because the only way of worked was if Diana became another person that she wasnt for pleased the future king (read: became his doormat), because if Charles wasnt HRH this man would have even more problems of relationships that he have now. Nor Kanga nor Camilla will be interested in spend time with him.

NO I dont see a woman as Diana having some sort future with an man who believe GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT that a woman could have is LOVE HIM. This woman that Charles describes never would have time/interest in unpopular causes, IE. AIDS in 1980s... this will be too much occupied in be his yes-person & doormat. When explode drug scandal of her son, Camilla was in Highgrove with Charles being hostess of a dinner :bored: Seems between her GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT be (with) Charles & or her children, the story showed where were her priorities :thumbsdown:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 09:24:02 pm
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Diana should have stood up to her sisters, and said "To Hell With The Tea Towels" !

.. and her sisters should have supported her IMO.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 13, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
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Maybe there should be a thread about the mistakes Charles made in his life. Number one IMO was his sense of entitlement to poach other men's wives. That more or less wrecked any hope of a marriage. He would have had to practically hire a woman to put up with his shenanigans with Camilla and pay her to bear his children. If he couldn't find one and wanted a marriage he should have Dumped and I mean Dumped Camilla.

Charles was known as the 'potty prince' and still is known as that in some circles.

Diana should have done more background checking of Charles and then presented this to her family and give them reasons why she should drop him.

But C and C wanted Diana because they thought she would not get in their way.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: rosielinks on August 13, 2013, 05:03:23 pm
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I do agree that Diana would have had to have industrial strength of character not to yell at Charles. I admire also her guts for taking on the BRF, but her anger and rage made her, in her later days, quite the wild card and she became too loose a canon. I agree also that she didn't really have anyone in her camp to provide good advice, love and solid wisdom. However, I don't think it would have suited her to be a doormat.

If she had had good counsel, a wise and kind older relative, not just charlatan astrologers, she could have trodden a more level path - maybe played down her emotional outbursts (though I sympathise totally with her anger), she could still be around today. I think her absence is a great shame for the UK public, who truly loved her.

Of course PC made mistakes, but as PoW he has the power and status to get away with it. Women dealing with the Windsor men need solid support behind them and have a calculating and calm nature. As Waity has her family and a patient and controlled demeanour, she might yet stay married - yet she will always fail to become popular with the public.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 13, 2013, 05:09:23 pm
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Charles probably would have been better off had Mountbatten lived. He didn't want Charles with Camilla (when Amanda started to come of age) and was said to have arranged Charles long sea voyage to get him away from Camilla. Charles apparently was lukewarm about Camilla and did not tell her to wait for him claiming he was "not ready" to get married. Mountbatten I think would have persuaded his granddaughter Amanda to marry Charles, he'd be the power behind the throne, and although Mountbatten would perhaps condone a mistress or two for Charles, she would not have the manipulative ability Camilla had. Amanda would be told to think of England, provide the heirs and enjoy the perks. He would not have let any mistress take over hostessing for Amanda and read the riot act for charles.

Charles also could have (if Diana turned him down), had a marriage where he gave a woman a generous settlement to have his child or children, tell her not to expect love, to befriend his mistress and look the other way. Some women may have said yes because they would like the power and influence and security.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 15, 2013, 04:59:01 am
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I'll start a thread about the mistakes Charles made.

The thing with Diana, is that she was not naive about a lot of things that we might think.

She was born and bred in the aristocratic way of life and to me, her biggest mistake was not getting on with a lot of things.

She didn't make the best of being at Balmor@l, she didn't make the best of the royal life. She was a success as a royal, but was clueless about post-royal life and made the mistake of making messes, leaving it to the courtiers, but when the courtiers weren't cleaning up after her, she ended up experiencing consequences for the first time in her life.

She got away with (in my view) too much as an HRH and made the mistake of acting the same when she was no longer a member of the RF. Like her sons she never focused on cleaning up her personal life and making it a point to make sure that baggage was dealt with and make sure that her personal life was neat and tidy.

Another final fault is her lack of understanding that people didn't have as much as she did. Her secretary was fired because the secretary sent the bills to the palace to be paid, instead of (through some miracle) paying the astronomical costs herself. I mean, she often never saw through her own hypocrisy.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Jane23 on August 15, 2013, 10:19:13 am
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Where do I begin ...she made a lot of mistakes ...the biggest ? Taking all her issues with Chuck on Chuck's whole family and her own son (who does that?) ...

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: CrystalEve on August 15, 2013, 03:06:40 pm
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Quote from: rosielinks on August 10, 2013, 12:13:33 pm
Once married Diana should have kept up the pretence that she liked outdoor pursuits.

Once she realised Camilla was so interested in hunting, she should have learnt to ride and got on the hunt too. (This would have thwarted a lot of Camilla and PC's meet ups)

Diana should have been less emotional with PC. She should have realised that he is not used to people yelling at him.

She should not have got involved with the Morton book. It was a real hand grenade thrown to the monarchy. I believe she signed her own death warrant there.

She should not have done the interview with Martin Bashir - criticising PC and saying he would never be king. He must have been beside himself with rage.

She should have stuck to one or two discrete affairs, and not gone after married men. It did her reputation a lot of harm the obsessive way she pursued other people's husbands.

She should not have manipulated the press so much.

She should not have fraternised with Dodi Fayad. It was done for revenge. I think it tarnished her reputation. He was a druggy playboy.

She should not have put so much faith in astrologers. It made her look daft and needy.

If Diana had accepted that PC and Camilla were non-negotiable, she could have enjoyed her boys, her popularity with the public, carried out her good works and public duties, had a secret lover, which PC and the royals would accepted and got on with it. It would have been better for the boys and for PC and Camilla would never have become queen. Diana would still be alive and would have stopped the Midds getting anywhere near PW.

:goodpost:

Going along with the hunting, Morton Book, interview Martin Bashir, astrologers, manipulation of the press, last, but not least Druggy Playboy, Dodi Fayed ...
definitely a bignono.

Really does pay off, to be discerning in this life.

Then you more or less know where you are going.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 15, 2013, 04:26:36 pm
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on August 15, 2013, 04:59:01 am
I'll start a thread about the mistakes Charles made.

The thing with Diana, is that she was not naive about a lot of things that we might think.

She was born and bred in the aristocratic way of life and to me, her biggest mistake was not getting on with a lot of things.

She didn't make the best of being at Balmor@l, she didn't make the best of the royal life. She was a success as a royal, but was clueless about post-royal life and made the mistake of making messes, leaving it to the courtiers, but when the courtiers weren't cleaning up after her, she ended up experiencing consequences for the first time in her life.

She got away with (in my view) too much as an HRH and made the mistake of acting the same when she was no longer a member of the RF. Like her sons she never focused on cleaning up her personal life and making it a point to make sure that baggage was dealt with and make sure that her personal life was neat and tidy.

Another final fault is her lack of understanding that people didn't have as much as she did. Her secretary was fired because the secretary sent the bills to the palace to be paid, instead of (through some miracle) paying the astronomical costs herself. I mean, she often never saw through her own hypocrisy.

That sounds like Fergie. If you read Morton, Diana explained she had bulimia and morning sickness at Balmor@l. She was not allowed a tray of food in her room when she felt sick and the royal women sniffed at morning sickness since none of them had it.

Diana was naive about love and romance. She did not have a past which was something the Prince wanted. She was in a no-win situation with C and C and realized that too late.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Jane23 on August 15, 2013, 06:43:00 pm
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She will always be the woman who went into a war with her own husband and lost the worse way !!! Why? Because she was a loose cannon who had no idea what she wanted !!! I will have sympathy for 19 years old Di 30 something Di is another matter ... she was a lost puppy who hurt a lot of people and humiliated her family with tell all books and live TV interviews whining like she was the first woman in history to have a difficult marriage :sly: all while sleeping around with married men :sly: ... and she wasn't nice the real Di :

BASHIR: Do you think the Prince of Wales will ever be King?

DIANA: I don't think any of us know the answer to that. And obviously it's a question that's in everybody's head. But who knows, who knows what fate will produce, who knows what circumstances will provoke?

BASHIR: But you would know him better than most people. Do you think he would wish to be King?

DIANA: There was always conflict on that subject with him when we discussed it, and I understood that conflict, because it's a very demanding role, being Prince of Wales, but it's an equally more demanding role being King.

And being Prince of Wales produces more freedom now, and being King would be a little bit more suffocating. And because I know the character I would think that the top job, as I call it, would bring enormous limitations to him, and I don't know whether he could adapt to that.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 15, 2013, 06:51:54 pm
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In a democracy people are entitled to (have & share) their opinions :bored: Why you thinks Bashir was soooo interested if Charles would ever became king?

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Diana made this interview for pushed the divorce as Charles already had (keeping) exceeded the limit he could ask for divorce (since 12/1994) & dont give a end to the whole mess. Her lawyer advised she had expect his moves for divorce - sit & wait they'll came to us... so she made they came to her

Charles is very luck for the way she replied this questions... if she had talked what she knew ... he HAVE A BIG PROBLEM in accept as king he will be only a figure head that SHOULD NOT try run the country....

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: HC on August 15, 2013, 07:55:51 pm
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I agree, Dianas biggest mistake was to rely on her sisters concern about the towelsalready being embroided.

Diana should have broken off the engagement. Princess Olga did when she was engaged to QMII father. Something about 2 twin sons out of wedlock (Just a rumour).

But I think Diana got her well deserved revenge. If I had been lured into marriage like that, I would go alllllllll the way like Diana. I would wash all the dirty laundry in the open. All!!!!!!!!!!! :Kate:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 15, 2013, 08:40:31 pm
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Quote from: HC on August 15, 2013, 07:55:51 pm
I agree, Dianas biggest mistake was to rely on her sisters concern about the towelsalready being embroided.

Diana should have broken off the engagement. Princess Olga did when she was engaged to QMII father. Something about 2 twin sons out of wedlock (Just a rumour).

But I think Diana got her well deserved revenge. If I had been lured into marriage like that, I would go alllllllll the way like Diana. I would wash all the dirty laundry in the open. All!!!!!!!!!!! :Kate:

:gogirl: :goodpost:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Jane23 on August 16, 2013, 04:41:08 am
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"Lured" ? He proposed she accepted !!!

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Snokitty on August 16, 2013, 02:38:45 pm
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Charles and Camilla "lured" a naive girl into their trap and nothing will change that because it is a fact and all evidence points to that.

What kind of man lets his Mistress help him choose a wife or uses a female as a broodmare?

Yes that really is who Charles is as a person and PR spin cannot change that.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Mooster on August 16, 2013, 02:48:25 pm
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Quote from: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 09:24:02 pm

Diana should have stood up to her sisters, and said "To Hell With The Tea Towels" !

.. and her sisters should have supported her IMO.

I second that...Diana's family were a disgrace, even her brother in later years, though he tried to make up for it at the funeral. They should have stood by her and had her interests at heart not their own. No wonder Diana was insecure growing up in a family like that...even her own grandmother was a snake in the grass when it came to her own daughter...horrible family!!

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Jane23 on August 16, 2013, 03:10:38 pm
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^ Her grandmother given the times she grew up in would hardly sympathize with Di airing her dirty laundry on live TV ... hardly a "snake in the grass" ...

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: CrystalEve on August 16, 2013, 03:19:05 pm
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Quote from: Mooster on August 16, 2013, 02:48:25 pm
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Diana should have stood up to her sisters, and said "To Hell With The Tea Towels" !

.. and her sisters should have supported her IMO.

I second that...Diana's family were a disgrace, even her brother in later years, though he tried to make up for it at the funeral. They should have stood by her and had her interests at heart not their own. No wonder Diana was insecure growing up in a family like that...even her own grandmother was a snake in the grass when it came to her own daughter...horrible family!!

I think that their lack of compassion was possibily due to the fact that Diana was there half sister and therefore not a full Spencer.

So why would any of them go out of their way for her? :sob:

It's clear that they put their own selfish interests first.

Diana's sister Jane, married Robert fellows.

Her sister Jane is now a Baroness, they are very much part of the establishment regime.

Their titles mean so much to them, but titles did not interest Diana, because she was much more human in her outlook.

Diana was being called a loose cannon by Nicholas Soames, member of the British Establishment and good friend of Prince

Charles, he who had said that she was talking "Psychobabble" during the 1995 Panorama Interview which ultimately proved being so damagingly accurate and precise.

Now Diana was being viewed as being a serious threat, a real danger, a complete liability!

Poor Diana felt that she was in dire, danger as you can see from the snippet below.

The morning after Gianni Versace's murder, Dodi's bodyguard found Diana on the deck of the Jonikal. "Do you think they'll do that to me?" she asked. :nervous:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 16, 2013, 04:42:20 pm
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I doubt Diana was a "half sister." She looked like her paternal grandmother.

Charles and any member of Diana' family ever commented publicly on the Panorama interview.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: mysha on August 16, 2013, 04:47:02 pm
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And yes they did is the answer, boston brakes in the tunnel

Yes 1/2 sister which is why she does not look like the others. Same mother, different father
I do not think Goldsmith though, my theory is right idea but different genes
however I do admit she looks a lot like Jemima and co

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 16, 2013, 08:23:43 pm
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She does look like her siblings, they have their father's chin which William also inherited from John Spencer. It would be wildly improbably for Frances to cheat before delivering the Spencer male heir which she did in 1964. John was carting her off to doctors and watching her like a hawk.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on August 16, 2013, 08:27:49 pm
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Sandy is there a good book on Diana's mother, I'd love to read it? I always felt sorry for Frances, she had a sad life at times. Didn't her husband she left Johnny for end up leaving her or they split somehow?

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: CrystalEve on August 16, 2013, 11:32:08 pm
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Quote from: serene grace on August 16, 2013, 08:27:49 pm
Sandy is there a good book on Diana's mother, I'd love to read it? I always felt sorry for Frances, she had a sad life at times. Didn't her husband she left Johnny for end up leaving her or they split somehow?

Johnny Spencer was quite often drunken, boorish and often very cruel to Frances.

So much so, that the poor woman fled into the arms of James Goldsmith for comfort and love.

Her husband made it almost impossible for Frances to have the children.

They had a very long affair and as a result Diana was conceived, so it is said.

I think that she was a nice woman, though I can't help but thinking that Frances had quite a sad and tragic life.

The former Viscountess, was condemned and nicknamed "the Bolter" by Johnnie and others for abandoning her children.

Her own formidable mother sided against her with Johnnie in a bitter custody battle - a betrayal which Frances never forgave.

Frances insisted that she did not leave her children.

Initially, Charles and Diana lived with their mother in London, while the two other children were away at school.

But after two unsuccessful courtroom contests, the children returned to their father, then Viscount Althorp, while the defeated Frances moved to Scotland. :sob:

Other intriguing bits of "evidence" and speculation have been cited in the London Daily Mail, which quotes sources that claim that Diana was conceived during her mother's affair with the Jewish banker tycoon Sir James Goldsmith (originally Goldschmidt and no apparent relationship to Carole Goldsmith).

The report says that Frances was estranged from her husband, Earl Spencer (Viscount Althorp), and had an affair with Sir James Goldsmith just at the time that Diana was conceived.

Strengthening the case, a report points to striking resemblances between Princess Diana and Sir James Goldsmith's other three children, Zak, Ben and Jemima Goldsmith.

If these tidings are true then Diana would be thoroughly Jewish with a Jewish mother (Frances Ruth Burke Roche aka Rothschild) and a Jewish father (Sir James Goldsmith).

In turn William, the future King of England, would have deep Jewish roots.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 17, 2013, 08:29:23 pm
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John Spencer needed a son. Frances was his wife. He would not have let her out of his sight until the baby boy was born healthy. She sought comfort after John had finished usingh er for getting the male heir. I don't believet the Goldsmith story as Frances fell head over heals with Shand Kydd and left her family for him. If she left her family for Shand Kydd she surely would have done the same with GOldsmith if there was anything really between them. I doubt John Spencer would have raised Diana if he knew she was another man's kid. If Diana's sister's "knew" certainly Earl Spencer would have. And Prince Charles wanted someone fromt he Spencer Family.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 17, 2013, 09:46:41 pm
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I'm not the moderator, but this is getting off topic into the usual love triangle story.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: CrystalEve on August 18, 2013, 12:04:03 am
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Quote from: sandy on August 17, 2013, 08:29:23 pm
I doubt John Spencer would have raised Diana if he knew she was another man's kid.

It's certainly not uncommon in aristocratic circles, but there is normally an agreement behind the scenes.

Back on topic though, anyone remember Diana saying that she was going to shock the world?

I cannot find this anywhere, perhaps it has been censored, but she definitely said this, whilst she was with Dodi Fayed.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Nighthawk on August 18, 2013, 12:05:53 am
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one major mistake I see Diana ever did...was not wearing her seatbelt the night she died

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: CrystalEve on August 18, 2013, 12:07:37 am
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Quote from: Nighthawk on August 18, 2013, 12:05:53 am
one major mistake I see Diana ever did...was not wearing her seatbelt the night she died

That still might not have saved her though. :sob:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Nighthawk on August 18, 2013, 12:08:33 am
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true but it could have saved her we won't ever know

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 19, 2013, 08:51:04 pm
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I think the slow slow trip to the hospital did her in. Ronald Reagan was shot and had the same internal injury and he was rushed to the hospital (1981) and he lived to the ripe old age of 93.

There were also rumors the seatbelts were not working

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: india on August 19, 2013, 09:01:23 pm
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Her biggest mistake of all was telling the press, the week before she was murdered, that " wait and see what I am going to do next". She should had kept quiet. TPTB knew then that they had to very quickly silence her forever.

And whatever that was, we will probably never know.

Members of this wonderful forum, what do you think it was?

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 19, 2013, 09:15:13 pm
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I think she was teasing them and there really was no big secret.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on August 20, 2013, 08:08:23 pm
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Well, here is my review which basically outlines what I feel were her mistakes. This is of the book recommended by Sandy: Diana : Story Of A Princess
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Diana: Story of a Princess was very intriguing to read. I have read other books about Diana and all of them seemed to be quite unbiased in their views of not only Diana, but of the relationships she had with Charles her husband and the British Royal Family, otherwise known as the "firm". This book was extremely biased in Diana's direction, but in my opinion it was cleverly written to appear biased when in fact it left me for once genuinely questioning whether she did things for the sake of others or for the sake of self. I doubt we will ever know the real truth about this remarkable and yet to me, clearly disturbed woman.

The pivotal point for me came when Diana dumped 100 charities because she lost her HRH title. In my opinion this, like the Morton book and the Panorama interview was an act of revenge. But did this diminish her capacity for caring for others? No. Regardless of her motives, people did benefit enormously from what she accomplished, and for that I applaud her.

Do I think she was an innocent Saint? Not a hope, but which of us is?

Most enjoyable read!
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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Emperor on August 20, 2013, 11:29:31 pm
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:loveshower: :goodpost:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Snokitty on August 21, 2013, 01:45:28 pm
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The pivotal point for me came when Diana dumped 100 charities because she lost her HRH title. In my opinion this, like the Morton book and the Panorama interview was an act of revenge.

AB I disagree that the dropping of charities was an act of revenge. The royals have so many charities that they cannot do justice to them all and Diana's point was that she wanted to keep just a few charities that she was enthused about so she could give them more attention.

I agree the Morton book and Panorama interview were for revenge. I can't fault her for that though because if my husband had done to me what Charles did to her he would need to hope that all I did was a book and interview.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 21, 2013, 04:04:05 pm
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When Diana got the divorce she was entitled made what liked & wanted with her life. I dont doubt if she kept all the charities there will be people saying she kept for all of them for sake be in spotlight and compete with Windsors. During the 15 years she was funded for tax-payers she done a amazing work with her charities and was one of most hard workers of BRF - what put on shame the 2 women are now in her position as future Queen (& funded for tax-payers). This 2 women besides be work-shy are always available to dress up/glam events.

If Diana had choiced left all of her charities when she got divorced, for me this would not take nothing of her successful work with them, when she WAS supported for made/have this duty/obligation.

She - when divorced - had none obligation to get involved with landmines cause and auction her dresses for charity, but she made it because was what she wanted for her life in that moment. If she wanted made others things with her life after the divorce - when she was private citzen/non supported for tax-payers - isnt a thing troubles me (read: reason for bash or called out such behavior). I'm not among these who likes say as private persons/citzens may live their life, particularly because this have nothing (anymore - in this case) with public money.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on August 21, 2013, 05:52:27 pm
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Poor Diana she surely deserved to have a husband that really loved her.
Be it Charles or not, she deserved to be loved as she was so generous and kind to many. :hug:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Stephanie on August 21, 2013, 07:59:52 pm
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I feel her biggest mistake was marrying Chuck.
Her mother warned against marrying him because C and D reminded her of herself and Johnnie.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 21, 2013, 08:15:45 pm
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Frances said to her biographer wasnt sure of good intentions of Charles but dont tell anything to Diana and one of reasons was that Diana was in age to get married. For everything I read I dont think Frances is the sort of person if the future king showed interest in (one of) her daughter, that she would discourage, her own 2nd marriage was much more a worry in her life than her children.

Diana was ask help to her father for call off the engagement but he tell to her that she was just nervous, there wasnt reasons for it. By all accounts Frances was one of persons in Diana's family most involved & excited during the months of engagement. I think her only interest was get her daughter married. By her own words she was against Diana want get out of marriage. IMO she liked have a daughter future queen.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on August 21, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
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The pivotal point for me came when Diana dumped 100 charities because she lost her HRH title. In my opinion this, like the Morton book and the Panorama interview was an act of revenge.

AB I disagree that the dropping of charities was an act of revenge. The royals have so many charities that they cannot do justice to them all and Diana's point was that she wanted to keep just a few charities that she was enthused about so she could give them more attention.

I agree the Morton book and Panorama interview were for revenge. I can't fault her for that though because if my husband had done to me what Charles did to her he would need to hope that all I did was a book and interview.

You are perhaps right, Snokitty, but it was not how it was written in the book which Sandy recommended.

I can emotionally understand her doing the Morton book - lying about her involvement - NO.

Panorama interview - how much revenge does one person need? She was no child doing this, in fact the backlash to her children should have been her first thought. Just my opinion.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on August 21, 2013, 08:20:15 pm
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Quote from: Mon Roi Henry IX on August 21, 2013, 05:52:27 pm
Poor Diana she surely deserved to have a husband that really loved her.
Be it Charles or not, she deserved to be loved as she was so generous and kind to many. :hug:

MRH, I do agree with this. She did deserve better - they both did.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 21, 2013, 08:25:54 pm
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The book & interview were her only ways get a divorce. During the 1980s was all over the tabloids she wanted a divorce but the Queen dont wanted and Charles never would challenge his mother. Even Charles' sycophants as Caroline Graham wrote in her books as Diana wanted a divorce in 1980s, but he dont accepted.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 21, 2013, 08:42:39 pm
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The pivotal point for me came when Diana dumped 100 charities because she lost her HRH title. In my opinion this, like the Morton book and the Panorama interview was an act of revenge.

AB I disagree that the dropping of charities was an act of revenge. The royals have so many charities that they cannot do justice to them all and Diana's point was that she wanted to keep just a few charities that she was enthused about so she could give them more attention.

I agree the Morton book and Panorama interview were for revenge. I can't fault her for that though because if my husband had done to me what Charles did to her he would need to hope that all I did was a book and interview.

You are perhaps right, Snokitty, but it was not how it was written in the book which Sandy recommended.

I can emotionally understand her doing the Morton book - lying about her involvement - NO.

Panorama interview - how much revenge does one person need? She was no child doing this, in fact the backlash to her children should have been her first thought. Just my opinion.

Diana had to lie about her involvement. She may have lost custody of her sons and didn't want to risk that. Morton waited until she died to talk about how he and Diana cooperated on the book.

It should be remembered Diana was regrouping after the divorce. She only had a brief window between not being a royal anymore and her death. I don't think any conclusions can possibly be reached re: her ultimate involvement with the charities. Diiana never herself said she was decreasing her charity work for revenge--it's a matter of speculation and nobody knows what would have happened had she lived longer.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2013, 01:08:02 pm
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I still say messing with a married man was all wrong so many times over.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 25, 2013, 01:14:50 pm
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Well dear old Camilla messed with a married man for years and got an HRH and jewels and titles out of it and sycophants slobbering all over her in the press.

I don't count Carling as someone Diana "messed with." I think Julia and Carling were messed up. She got a lot of mileage out of being "wronged" but did not name Diana as co-respondent because she knew darn well Carling never was intimate with Diana. Carling admitted it.

Hoare already had a wife and mistress when he pursued Diana. Wharfe and Jephson said unlike the spin was that he pursued Diana.

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Title: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: Snokitty on August 25, 2013, 04:

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www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-royals/lover-grandma-saint-how-princess-diana-is-getting-a-posthumous-makeover/article13868493/
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In case you’ve been lost in summer distractions, unplugged from the world, and are only now resurfacing, let me break the news to you: Diana, Princess of Wales, is making a comeback. Not only that, she’s having a posthumous makeover.

More than a decade and a half after her tragic death in a Paris tunnel, there she is on the cover of Vanity Fair’s September issue, looking relaxed and happy, gazing calmly and coolly into the camera with a self-possessed smile and a hint of satisfaction that she is once again looming large in the global consciousness, revelling in another Diana Moment. Later this fall, a new biopic, Diana, starring Naomi Watts, will present a flattering portrait of the late superstar. No longer the thick-as-aplank, desperate jetsetter she was often portrayed as, she is depicted in the film as a focused, loving woman who was coming into her own in the last two years of her life through her under-the-radar love affair with a Pakistani heart surgeon, Hasnat Khan.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on August 25, 2013, 10:49:58 pm
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Quote from: sandy on August 25, 2013, 01:14:50 pm
Well dear old Camilla messed with a married man for years and got an HRH and jewels and titles out of it and sycophants slobbering all over her in the press.

I didn't think this thread was about Camilla.

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I don't count Carling as someone Diana "messed with." I think Julia and Carling were messed up. She got a lot of mileage out of being "wronged" but did not name Diana as co-respondent because she knew darn well Carling never was intimate with Diana. Carling admitted it.

It's called an emotional affair at best. It is "messing" with a marriage, or I feel it would be if another woman did it.
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Hoare already had a wife and mistress when he pursued Diana. Wharfe and Jephson said unlike the spin was that he pursued Diana.

Who made all the phone calls to Hoare? And it really doesn't matter who pursued who - if the end result is the same.

Camilla is relevant. She apparently was rewarded for bad behavior messing with a married man.

Diana is made to look like a stalker. Wharfe and Jephson were on the scene and wrote that Hoare did quite a lot of pursuing himself.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 01:21:45 am
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I dont think there was anything unilateral between Diana & Hoare.

Jephson in his book describes (read:insinuates) that he heard the rumours about a affair between Diana & Hoare at KP, and himself had seen many times his car parked there and that was commented he visited Diana alot there. IIRC On The calls he insinuates that believes Diana was behind. He says only Diana & Hoare could know what happened between them, but he insinuates believes in stories. Wharfe said there was a affair, also believes Diana was behind the calls, she was afraided she was more into him than he in her.

Well Hoare only could be seen in KP because Diana allowed he be there (at least I believe he was invited for be there if not he wouldnt be allowed even into there LOL) - I do think the correct is says both pursued each other, BOTH wanted see each other. Well, if made 300 calls was/is not pursued someone else.... c'mon

Quote from: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2013, 01:08:02 pm
I still say messing with a married man was all wrong so many times over.
I only believe in Hoare affair. I do think is different of situation of Waleses+Camilla mess. According to I read he had/have convenience marriage, and his wife dont care he have mistresses since kept the facade with her (according to reports back then they're business associates/partners). She's a very rich woman who could get divorce without none problem, or have her status affected.

There's cases someone else/persons married who could not help but fall in love/get involved with another one/someone else. When came scandal about the calls, also came out he had a mistress for 4 YEARS (ended in 1990), but she left him because saw he wouldnt married her as she expected/hoped. Then he became involved with Diana in 1991. If husbands of Kanga, Camilla & wife of Hoare dont care(d) their spouses cheat on them, I'm not who would feels sorry for them, after all of this persons could get easily an divorce & move on with their lives.

For me, this situation is completely different from Charles & Camilla, they were always together, isnt like they got separated and get together after Harry was born or in 1986. Their story isnt 2 people who couldnt help but fall in love and wanted stay together, and left their spouses. Their story is they were lovers for years he wanted a brodmare/marriage of convenience and wanted she choiced a broodmare for him. Disgusting pair :ick:
Quote from: royalfanPKLS on August 25, 2013, 11:57:11 pm
I don't see the point of pointing out her mistakes, the way I see it we wouldn't have William and Harry if it wasn't for the PD and PC union.
Charles & Diana together were, plain simply: A MESS
Their sons are obviously a mess (in different ways) IMO

In way I see/undertand the whole thing, Charles was set to ruined the life of any girl that he was courting, only if some of them had a mentality a la Camilla, there will be a good arrangement. Charles & Camilla picked the most UNSUITABLE person to him (read: to them). I do think the others girls he courted saw through them (C+C) and get out, and they were way more worldly and sophisticated than Diana :sob:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 26, 2013, 02:28:17 am
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Hoare never commented on the nature of his relationship with Diana and probably never will. He probably still cheats on his wife but I doubt they will ever divorce. I think he wants to be left alone and live his life hence his keeping quiet.

Diana's nature of her relationship and her feelings for Hoare went with her to her grave. She never openly commented about Hoare.

She probably knew there was no way she would ever marry Hoare. She needed someone to turn to back then and was very vulnerable. There were never any comments about who was more interested in the other--but Hoare certainly pursued her. I would say that Hoare certainly was never "uninterested" to put it mildly. He fell for Diana but like Diana realized the relationship could not last nor go anywhere.

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: sandy on August 26, 2013, 02:38:46 am
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This author has it wrong. Diana was never really out of the news --there have been numerous books and articles and the Vaniety Fair article is only a rehash of articles already written about Diana and Hasnet Khan. Burrell's books duly noted the Khan-Diana relationship long before the article in VF came out.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 04:06:32 am
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With the exception of her comment on Hewitt in Panorama interview... what Diana wanted with, thought, feels about all of her boyfriends (one of most commented - H. Khan - besides have denied all of stories about them in his statement to inquest, recently talked all of persons who commented about them - his family & her friends - know nothing about was going on & existed between them - his words:‘It is based on gossip and Diana’s friends talking about a relationship that they didn’t know much about, and some of my relatives who didn’t know much about it either) went with her to grave.

What we truly know from her is about her marriage with Charles in 1980s and traumas of her childhood... The rest, anyone of us (if you choices) could talk that's whishful thinking than choice believe. The calls exited back then, and then the article his former chauffeur saying they were lovers in march/1995, was very easy for Diana or Hoare sued him & then win if he was lying. Celebrities are always suing tabloids over this and win. Then there was a woman (Lady Bowker) who was seen in 1990s as friend of Diana, said she met (& became friends with) Diana through this man (Hoare), he take Diana to Bowker's apt. And she said Hoare send through her a letter (& cuff links of her father that Diana had gifted him) to Diana that finished the relationship.
For all this info is out there for me could be said they were lovers. I do think a woman made 300 calls to a man, pretty much talks as she feels about him...

I believe her boyfriends were James H, Oliver H, H. Khan & Dodi... For me, this dont makes her a w---e, or someone else with same sort of behavior of Charles & Camilla.

I do think she was very vulnerable in 1980s when she was having bulimia, then fell for Hewitt, from the 1990s (particularly 1991/2) she know had future with any boyfriend she choiced all she needed after expect 2 years of official separation and then she know the divorce would came, and she pushed for it. And was all over tabloids in 1980s she wanted a divorce but the Queen was against. She only broken off with Hewitt because she was seeing Hoare, I hardly thinks she would left Hewitt if hadnt a new man in her life. Himself said back then when she was vulnerable she wanted him in his life but she when became strong she discarded him. The same thing with Khan, she left him when she had a new man (Dodi). I dont think Diana nor the zillions of women around the world that have this sort of behavior with men are some sort of monsters or anything else as it (ps. no need jumped at me, ok?).

Frankly I have NONE idea THE why you do thinks she was very vulnerable when she turn to Hoare, Imo is pretty telling when she started with him was precisely when she started fight for a divorce and was free of bulimia. She would never start a fight as this being very vulnerable (the vulnerability would simply stop her of fight for a divorce/against the crown that hold the powers). If she was so vulnerable as you says she would have keep Hewitt as she already know he pretty well, he as a single man was a choice much more safe & secure, particularly for that separation years that press had goes crazy for know with whom she was.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 04:08:38 am
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Quote from: Mon Roi Henry IX on August 21, 2013, 05:52:27 pm
Poor Diana she surely deserved to have a husband that really loved her.
Be it Charles or not, she deserved to be loved as she was so generous and kind to many. :hug:
IMO is truly UNFORTUNATE that Diana ended marrying a marrying a man (with that sort of character) as Charles.

He & Camilla truly deserve each other. Is a shame they, indeed, can ruined the life of a lovely person as Diana. :sob:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on August 27, 2013, 01:18:47 am
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Quote from: dianab on August 26, 2013, 04:06:32 am
With the exception of her comment on Hewitt in Panorama interview... what Diana wanted with, thought, feels about all of her boyfriends (one of most commented - H. Khan - besides have denied all of stories about them in his statement to inquest, recently talked all of persons who commented about them - his family & her friends - know nothing about was going on & existed between them - his words:‘It is based on gossip and Diana’s friends talking about a relationship that they didn’t know much about, and some of my relatives who didn’t know much about it either) went with her to grave.

What we truly know from her is about her marriage with Charles in 1980s and traumas of her childhood... The rest, anyone of us (if you choices) could talk that's whishful thinking than choice believe. The calls exited back then, and then the article his former chauffeur saying they were lovers in march/1995, was very easy for Diana or Hoare sued him & then win if he was lying. Celebrities are always suing tabloids over this and win. Then there was a woman (Lady Bowker) who was seen in 1990s as friend of Diana, said she met (& became friends with) Diana through this man (Hoare), he take Diana to Bowker's apt. And she said Hoare send through her a letter (& cuff links of her father that Diana had gifted him) to Diana that finished the relationship.
For all this info is out there for me could be said they were lovers. I do think a woman made 300 calls to a man, pretty much talks as she feels about him...

I believe her boyfriends were James H, Oliver H, H. Khan & Dodi... For me, this dont makes her a w---e, or someone else with same sort of behavior of Charles & Camilla.

I do think she was very vulnerable in 1980s when she was having bulimia, then fell for Hewitt, from the 1990s (particularly 1991/2) she know had future with any boyfriend she choiced all she needed after expect 2 years of official separation and then she know the divorce would came, and she pushed for it. And was all over tabloids in 1980s she wanted a divorce but the Queen was against. She only broken off with Hewitt because she was seeing Hoare, I hardly thinks she would left Hewitt if hadnt a new man in her life. Himself said back then when she was vulnerable she wanted him in his life but she when became strong she discarded him. The same thing with Khan, she left him when she had a new man (Dodi). I dont think Diana nor the zillions of women around the world that have this sort of behavior with men are some sort of monsters or anything else as it (ps. no need jumped at me, ok?).

Frankly I have NONE idea THE why you do thinks she was very vulnerable when she turn to Hoare, Imo is pretty telling when she started with him was precisely when she started fight for a divorce and was free of bulimia. She would never start a fight as this being very vulnerable (the vulnerability would simply stop her of fight for a divorce/against the crown that hold the powers). If she was so vulnerable as you says she would have keep Hewitt as she already know he pretty well, he as a single man was a choice much more safe & secure, particularly for that separation years that press had goes crazy for know with whom she was.

It was very complicated. She could not just up and leave and take the boys. She risked losing custody if she "bolted" and moved on with Hewitt or Hoare. Hoare was more problematic since he was married and it would also be difficult for her to run off with Hewitt. Charles would have raised the boys and if she were lucky she'd see them for weekends or for briefer times than she would have liked. She had the horrible example of her mother who left the family for another man and who was punished for it.

She actually originally went to Hoare for advice about Charles and Camilla and what to do about it according to various sources. They got involved with each other.

I think she only dreamed of a future with Hewitt and Hoare and the realities were that she could not just up and leave and be with either of these men on a permanent basis.

She broke up with Hewitt in 1989 and they resumed briefly in 1991. They remained friends until she dropped him ca. 1994 and as a man scorned (even though they were not having an affair) he signed up with Pasternack and Princess in Love was published.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 08, 2013, 11:22:33 pm
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Diana's biggest mistake is that she never took a break from relationships to figure herself out; she was hopping guy to guy to guy and not taking real time off to figure out what was going wrong in her life. She went from a fairly traumatic marriage to a variety of relationships that enabled her personal downward spiral that undermined her professional life. If she had been warned against men (as she supposedly was by an adviser), she should have listened; if she hadn't been having affairs with Hoare and then with Hasnat, she would not have ended up around Fayed and in a car crash in Paris. It was her issues with men that she refused to resolve.

She could have ended up with a great life if she had just slowed down with relationships and figured herself out, THEN decided to get involved with a man once she was baggage free. With her energy and such, she could have become a major powerhouse, but her Achilles Heel was this odd need for a man in her life, when in fact she didn't need one. At her age and resources with the world at her feet, she could have ended up taking it all by the horns and setting the world on fire, but she threw it away on shady men.

Before her marriage to Prince Charles, she dated around and had rotten luck (for reasons beyond me) and I just wonder, that if she had paid attention to what was going on inside her head and faced some hard truths, she would have ended up with better men and in a much more healthier romantic life. She wouldn't have been dating men with shady lives on the margins of life, if she had just focused on a career and had the brain to really face what she was doing wrong.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 09, 2013, 12:03:40 am
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Diana did not have "rotten luck" pre Charles. She just did not have that much experience and was rather sheltered. Had she even had relationships and they didn't pan out it would have made her more savvy about the Prince and would not have had the rose colored glasses about him. She would have been more of a realist.

Remember Diana and Charles were discouraged from divorcing early on so she could not just pack it in and move on. She could have lost custody of the boys for one thing. If she had been a person even lower down in the royal family echelon she could have walked. Or better yet, she could have dated for a time and remarried after a divorce early on from the Prince had the RF been more liberal about divorce back then. She didn't really hop from guy to guy. She and Hewitt were together from 1986 to 1989 then in 1991 and neither said there was anybody else that she was "seeing." Charles by then had ditched her for Camilla.

Hasnet and Diana only commenced the affair after she and Charles divorced. I know divorced people and I see nothing wrong with dating after a divorce. Diana wanted a real marriage and who could blame her for dating.

If Diana dating Dodi is supposedly the cause of the Paris thing (this is Kismet) then why not say Charles cutting her loose was what let her to the tunnel. Diana was rejected by the Prince and had nowhere to go.

If you ask Diana to take a break from relationships, then her husband should have taken a permanent break from Camilla and I mean permanent.

Back then women in Diana's circle were expected to make great. marriages since they were from the "pool" of women that Princes would marry

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 09, 2013, 12:08:22 am
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@kuei Fei

IMO Establishment & their jealousy of HER success, was much more a issue/trouble/complicating factor to her professional life.

When Diana was officially separated, she went John Major asked for ambassador role, he find her idea be great then he write BP or the Queen or something as this, he was told No because it was role of Prince of Wales, and as Diana was Not still divorced the Queen had give her permission.

For my understanding (according to Alastair Campbell), Diana with Tony Blair was on the way get the job she wanted be a ambassador, but then she died...

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 09, 2013, 12:11:53 am
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Had Diana lived, I doubt William would get away with his lazy lifestyle. Charles did little to help him prepare for his future role. Diana was not perpetual dating mode, she worked on charities always, and wanted her sons to be aware of their royal heritage and she would be horrified at how her son twists her messages so he can be "normal" grabbing the perks and doing little work.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Snokitty on September 09, 2013, 01:09:42 am
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Quote from: sandy on September 09, 2013, 12:03:40 am
Diana did not have "rotten luck" pre Charles. She just did not have that much experience and was rather sheltered. Had she even had relationships and they didn't pan out it would have made her more savvy about the Prince and would not have had the rose colored glasses about him. She would have been more of a realist.

Remember Diana and Charles were discouraged from divorcing early on so she could not just pack it in and move on. She could have lost custody of the boys for one thing. If she had been a person even lower down in the royal family echelon she could have walked. Or better yet, she could have dated for a time and remarried after a divorce early on from the Prince had the RF been more liberal about divorce back then. She didn't really hop from guy to guy. She and Hewitt were together from 1986 to 1989 then in 1991 and neither said there was anybody else that she was "seeing." Charles by then had ditched her for Camilla.

Hasnet and Diana only commenced the affair after she and Charles divorced. I know divorced people and I see nothing wrong with dating after a divorce. Diana wanted a real marriage and who could blame her for dating.

If Diana dating Dodi is supposedly the cause of the Paris thing (this is Kismet) then why not say Charles cutting her loose was what let her to the tunnel. Diana was rejected by the Prince and had nowhere to go.

If you ask Diana to take a break from relationships, then her husband should have taken a permanent break from Camilla and I mean permanent.

Back then women in Diana's circle were expected to make great. marriages since they were from the "pool" of women that Princes would marry

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 09, 2013, 11:18:00 am
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Quote from: sandy on September 09, 2013, 12:03:40 am
Hasnet and Diana only commenced the affair after she and Charles divorced. I know divorced people and I see nothing wrong with dating after a divorce. Diana wanted a real marriage and who could blame her for dating.
That's not true.

He STATED their relationship started in mid-September 1995, they met in early September 1995 & became friends and weeks after they started a affair.
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“We drove there together and Diana met my aunt and uncle. We had dinner in a restaurant and then drove back to London.

“I think this took place around mid-September 1995.

“After this, our friendship turned into a relationship.

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“I would also be extremely surprised if she was pregnant when she died as she had been seeing Dodi for only a short time. We were together for two years and she was always very particular about taking her contraceptive pills.
I'm sure that he even before to start study medicine, he must know what the reasons that women take contraceptive pills.

The only time I see be hinted they start a affair after her divorce, was in a DM article BEFORE his statement to inquest come out, what may explain the fact of article, for years now, be nowhere to be seen in site of DM (the article at best of knowledge was deleted).

Recently in articles in DM, he again have stated he & Diana had an 2-years relationship.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 09, 2013, 02:35:32 pm
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As I recall he stated at the time of the Inquest he wanted to be intimate with her only after the divorce came through. I read this. So which of the stories is really true--he never publicly denied either of them W? In any case she was separated from Charles.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 09, 2013, 03:57:48 pm
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Before his statement to inquest come out I see he ONLY giving ONE interview (via TV), he talked none personal details between him & Diana, he says was talking in that moment (giving the interview) because rumours out there had if he was called to inquest he would/wanted. And he talked in interview had no intentions to attending to inquest, dont know/understand how he would be helpful and was following advice of his lawyers.

His statement to inquest is an document he signed being aware he had state only what he know be the truth because if not he will be committing the crime of Perjury. He's clear as water, saying their friendship became a relationship in mid-September 1995. And recently he again claimed he had 2-years relationship with Diana. In his statement he definitely denied was only intimate with her after the divorce, saying they started a relationship in 1995 & for that 2 years they were together she was "very particular about taking her contraceptive pills". :bored:

I'm sure if his words to inquest were used for someone else related to Charles, Camilla (particularly this 2 persons), William, Kate & even Harry - who you used give alot benefice of doubt that others for whatever reasons you dont give to others 4 - the words of this person will be considered gospel truth and any other thing will be speculation for dont accept the word of person, no? :bored:

Your words quite remember me those ones likes says nor Charles nor Diana admitted their affairs & cheating in their interviews or that Charles do NOT said to Camilla in phone call he wanted be her tampax etc :bored:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Snokitty on September 09, 2013, 04:03:54 pm
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Does it really matter when their relationship started? We all know that they had a relationship.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 09, 2013, 06:12:23 pm
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Diana was separated from Charles at the time and who knows what the "truth" is. It was hardly a marriage where the couple lived together and were married in every sense.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: india on September 10, 2013, 01:39:15 am
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I am happy that she had the chance to have a relationship with a decent, good man. So sorry, it didn't work out. She sure had her share of creeps.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 10, 2013, 03:18:59 am
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Quote from: sandy on September 09, 2013, 06:12:23 pm
Diana was separated from Charles at the time and who knows what the "truth" is.
lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao

PS. My sympathies to anyone who choice write in some place in this forum, who knows what the "truth" is about Charles & Camilla (particularly she). 8)

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 10, 2013, 05:56:15 am
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Three big ones:

Getting Engaged to Chick
Not having her own security after her divorce
Failure to wear a seatbelt

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: Jane23 on September 10, 2013, 08:14:37 am
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Quote from: sandy on September 09, 2013, 06:12:23 pm
Diana was separated from Charles at the time and who knows what the "truth" is. It was hardly a marriage where the couple lived together and were married in every sense.
God knows we know "the truth" when it comes to crucify The Prince of Wales !!! :wopedo:

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: india on September 10, 2013, 11:21:12 am
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Diana should have listened to her gut and not her sisters when she said she didn't want to marry right before the wedding.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on September 10, 2013, 12:07:09 pm
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She should have listened to her gut instinct about the marriage and called it off, regardless of the fall out. Today she'd be the girl who turned down marriage or cancelled engagement to Prince Charles.
She should have never had affairs during marriage (Hewitt for sure) it didn't help her, regardless of the mess w Pr.C&C.
She should have never done the Bashir tv interview, it was a mistake, I will always believe that, because it outed and made definate her affair w Hewitt for her sons.

She was too much of a Lady concerning Camilla, I won't say what I think should have been done, but early in the marriage, Camilla's fear of going near Charles would have far exceeded the joy, once certain measures would have been taken and No one would have believed it or printed the measures taken by the Princess(except tabloids) if Camilla went to the press anyway, it would have sounded too crazy.

She should have worn her seatbelt.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: india on September 10, 2013, 12:16:19 pm
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The seat belts in the back seat were not working.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on September 10, 2013, 12:19:10 pm
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That sux.

Why would the Fayed's have a car not in tip top condition?

Oh one other thing I forgot as someone mentioned.... Diana should have kept her security.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 10, 2013, 09:03:56 pm
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There were the rumors about malfunctioning seatbelts.

Seatbelts would not necessarily mean she would have lived. The elephant in the room to me is the long long trek to the hospital. I would be in total despair if any of my family had to go that route to the hospital.

There are varying opinions about Rees Jones --it was said he didn't wear a seatbelt but some said he did.

It was an older car that was deployed at the last minute.

As for cancelling the wedding, Diana at that point adored Charles. I think Charles had a lot to lose if she bolted and I suspect some sweet talk was used on his part (like that little note he sent her the night before the wedding.)

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 10, 2013, 10:32:28 pm
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Quote from: serene grace on September 10, 2013, 12:07:09 pm
She should have listened to her gut instinct about the marriage and called it off, regardless of the fall out. Today she'd be the girl who turned down marriage or cancelled engagement to Prince Charles.
IMO she only was ahead with the whole thing out of pressure & lack of support than anything else.

IMO Diana & Charles were driven to each other, and he made the proposal and she accepted for same reason they do NOT KNOW EACH OTHER. If they had idea who was person will be the future spouse, BOTH would have plain run away from each other.

IMO Diana was infautuated (and not some more than it) & flattered for attentions of an older man who she never thought would shows interest in her and the rest the Spencers have/played a big role, among others things made her believe he cared & thinks highly of her for this reasons thought of her as a future wife.

That was arrangement through and through... deep feelings do not play some big part in whole thing and lots pressure definitely yes, what explain since early in engagement she have became very unhappy & tense and want backed out and to note that she & Charles were doomed, ie. note marry a man who she barely know & much older was a bad idea.

IMO both she & Charles know in their hearts were committing a huge, huge mistake and find themselves in a hopeless situation (the engagement) that the only choice was goes ahead. I dont believe some of them was surprised with the unhappiness since day 1. IMO they know were going get into a mess, dont saw how got out of mess they get into.

But I dont doubt if Camilla had supported Charles he would call off the whole thing, and she would have my respect for it, but for she was more than convenient to see Charles married with someone else, for sure she know, he only saw as a broodmare. Charles dont deny be son of his mother, he's WEAK, WEAK, WEAK...

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on September 10, 2013, 11:15:35 pm
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After watching this video and many others with the body language of BOTH parties, I believe both played a part in the breakdown. There is no proof over who had sex outside the marriage first. But if you watch all of this video, you won't see a man not showing love to his wife, or a wife not showing love to her husband - and sadly for some - many scenes are post children - which debunks the broodmare theory.

youtu.be/PjCXm0b21ZU

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 11, 2013, 02:52:06 pm
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Early on in the marriage Diana and Charles were very tactile and Charles was attracted to her, but he was through with her after she delivered the requisite heir and spare.. Diana indicated in one interview that they were 'keeping up appearances" during their estrangement because they didn't want to disappoint the public. When they danced together on a tour and looked "romantic" both were involved with other people.

There were reports that Charles was seeing Camilla as early as 1983 and Charles in effect cheated first because he went into the marriage preferring another woman and not loving his wife. I call that cheating. And the two kept in touch even on the honeymoon.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: AnaBolena on September 11, 2013, 03:43:45 pm
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Quote from: sandy on September 11, 2013, 02:52:06 pm
Early on in the marriage Diana and Charles were very tactile and Charles was attracted to her, but he was through with her after she delivered the requisite heir and spare.. Diana indicated in one interview that they were 'keeping up appearances" during their estrangement because they didn't want to disappoint the public. When they danced together on a tour and looked "romantic" both were involved with other people.

There were reports that Charles was seeing Camilla as early as 1983 and Charles in effect cheated first because he went into the marriage preferring another woman and not loving his wife. I call that cheating. And the two kept in touch even on the honeymoon.

I don't see it anywhere close to him being "through" with her as soon as she had had the children - and let's be logical, any female could have given him an heir and a spare if that's all he wanted.

I can understand them keeping up appearances to a degree, but Diana wasn't good at hiding emotions, and eyes that fake smile don't laugh with the mouth.

One or the other's word, as the book you recommended isn't really worth much because each felt as they did from their own point of view, which would be pretty normal.

There is something I don't understand and would love someone to explain. When their marriage was openly in tatters, who looked sad?

www.judiciaryreport.com/are_you_marrying_the_right_person.htm

Take a look in the article below [no, the article itself is of no interest], but who looks sadder? To me, they both look very sad and dejected.

I do agree if he was "in love" with another woman it was a form of cheating - but not adultery. If by then the other woman was nothing but a female friend - it's not even close to cheating. But that's the type of thing I guess we will never know for 100%. Sad really that they didn't work out, but more marriages than not go the same way as theirs - it's not a new thing to happen.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: sandy on September 11, 2013, 05:17:54 pm
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Charles expressed the thought to Diana and later to Diana's mother at the Christening that he was disappointed the second was not a girl. Diana also said she would have liked a daughter. They were both young and healthy and many couples try for a girl I think Charles wanted to close up shop and according to Diana he avoided intimacy with her after Harry was born. Some of Charles' biographers indicate the same thing. There are some rumors that Camilla "advised" him not to have any more children.

Diana said they wanted to keep up appearances. Hewitt told his biographer he got jealous when he saw Charles and Dina together on those appearances. The marriage had not deteriorated at that point where the body language was apparent that they were not getting along.

Camilla could never be just a friend to Charles as history has proven. Charles was intimate with her soon before his wedding to Diana (according to Charles' own account to Dimbleby he was intimate with Camilla ca. 1979-1980 which was pretty close to the courtship time with Diana.

Charles told Dimbleby he preferred Camilla at t he time of the marriage and felt "forced" to marry Diana. A wife would naturally pick up on this after the wedding when pictures of the other woman were still carried by the new husband and the other woman sent gifts and phone calls were exchanged. Sorry I never bought into their being "just friends." I consider it cheating and deceit of the lady he married. Diana thought when he took the vows to her the other woman would not be around anymore and a "presence". I do think Charles cheated first and I believe it was ca. 1983 and if in 1986, earlier than the time Diana sought comfort with Hewitt which was later in 1986 (some writers call it tit for tat revenge of Diana when she knew he went back to Camilla).

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on September 11, 2013, 09:11:42 pm
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In the book The Housekeeper's Diary she claims security busted

in on Diana and Charles enjoying each other in bed and laughing together and what I got from her writings was that Charles and Diana in those early days were enjoying time as man and wife?

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 11, 2013, 09:27:12 pm
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For book of Ken Wharfe I understand they dont worked inside the home... there's a bodyguard (who worked since 1981) quoted in Judy Wade book that back up the misery that Charles & Diana described. Ken Wharfe himself said never heard rumours of happiness between the Waleses and before start to worked for Waleses already heard of their misery from others bodyguards.

IIRC The Housekeeper was pretty much "protective" of Charles & Camilla in her book...

IIRC she seemed more loyal to him than his valet that sold his story to tabloids in 1990s.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: serene grace on September 11, 2013, 09:38:08 pm
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In the Housekeeper's book, she definately says Charles begin to disappear but I think she said it was after a few years (sorry I don't have book in front of me) and that staff didn't speak of it ,but they had a good idea where he was going for hours, but according to her from what I recall,she says early in the marriage Diana and Charles were messing around in the bed early in the marriage and by accident they hit an alarm or some type of panic button by the bed and security burst into the room and the couple were laughing because they were in bed together and in states of undress or half undressed when security entered.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 12, 2013, 12:21:29 am
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If he wanted a daughter with his wife..........there was no one to stop him from continuing an intimate relationship with his wife with the inevitable outcome becoming pregnant for the third time..

I really think that chuck figured with Harry being born after William...his duty to the crown was done. No more jumping on and off of the wife, he could go play around with Cammie. How freaking selfish can you be to deny your spouse their sexual rights to your body when its obvious that the other spouse still wanted to have sex with you? :thumbsdown:

It would have been different if one or the other partner had developed some kind of physical problem that prevented them from being intimate in a sexual manner...but the only thing that Chuck was concerned about...was Chuck.

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Title: Re: Mistakes Diana Made In Life
Post by: dianab on September 12, 2013, 12:48:22 am
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There is no proof over who had sex outside the marriage first.
Well I do think could be told... There's even less proofs of an bunch of things are told about Kate+Family ... But Charles & Camilla are above of reproach to some I know... They're too known be such nice people. Anyway Anthony Holden & James Withaker never had trouble in said Charles back to Camilla in 1983. And Stephen Barry too had not any trouble in said in eve of wedding Charles & Camilla sleep together. The then girlfriend of Camilla's brother in 1983, said for she, Charles & Camilla never were separated. Then Stuart Higgins said Camilla was talking to him from 1982-1992, with the blessing of Charles, and that one of reasons she was talking to him was because she wanted be aware how much he know about her & Charles as a couple.

I just imagine if all this things were told about a certain the Queen's grandson, his wife+her family, this whole thing will be considered factual proof, but as are such nice people Charles & Camilla, of course not, that's only gossip & malice :bored: (common sense is used to certain royals, other not?)

I see many videos, particularly in docs, of Charles & Diana, especially in their early years, I see are 2 people very awkard with each other, and lots of discomfort. I believe 100% in Runcie, when he said in his book, that Charles & Diana barely know each other, between them existed a arrangement. James Withaker & Co said in countless of docs they write the fairy

-tale version because it sell, but they know of troubles in marriage. Even Janet Jenkins said Charles sleep (pursue) with her in 1983 because his marriage was beyond repair.
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I can understand them keeping up appearances to a degree, but Diana wasn't good at hiding emotions, and eyes that fake smile don't laugh with the mouth.
You must see what photographers who followed Diana + royal reporters talked in docs, as Charles & Diana know put a good show in public, particularly she. They said as the camera was in love with her, even if she was posing she looked natural, that was considered one of her great qualities since she was a kid, she looked natural even posing for the camera. Her smile was considered truly natural even when wasnt, I have seen this many times in docs, when she noted the cameras were on her she smiled it seemed as natural.
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I don't see it anywhere close to him being "through" with her as soon as she had had the children
You have only see the headlines in tabloids saying as early as 1985 they were led separate lives, that doc in 1985 (with the boys) existed because of rumours all over the press, in doc have a interview with they denying the rumours...
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any female could have given him an heir and a spare if that's all he wanted.
At best of my knowlegment, his future wife had be a virgin and of good/old Family (have heritage). For my understanding, too of royal reporters from back then, even Charles himself (his words via Dimbleby and even he talked when single man) & Family, Philip himself said was better he find soon a wife or there wouldnt anymore have "candidates" (virgins).

He, indeed, needed a girl not a woman, because I dont believe there were, in late 1970s & early ’80, women in artistocracy in her late 20s or early 30s being virgin... If the problem was only any woman he could have married some of his experienced lady friends as Janet Jenkings, who wasnt virgin nor had heritage.

And why forget about Davina S (?), Amanda K, Anna W (who left Charles because Camilla)? The 2 last ones turned him down (in brief period between them) and soon he already was courting Diana... Yes all this seems he was simply looking for a suitable girl for he have a heir & a spare. If some of them had accepted him, there will be none Diana. Hard, very hard believe he wasnt searching for a broodmare & his actions before & during the marriage shows he only wanted a broodmare. Very hard see debunked "the broodmare theory". The own words of Charles helped the theory and yes I believe he know what he was feeling & lived and no I dont believe when courting his future wife he bought a home in Camilla's neighborhood out of see her as his "very good friend".

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: dianab on September 12, 2013, 02:50:05 pm
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Princess Diana’s wedding dress on display in the Quad Cities
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Starting Saturday, September 14th, people will be able to see Princess Diana’s wedding dress on display at the Putnam Museum in Davenport. “Diana: A Celebration” is a new exhibit showcasing the life of Princess Di from childhood to her royal wedding to her charity work.
wqad.com/2013/09/11/princess-dianas-wedding-dress-on-display-in-the-quad-cities/

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: Snowpea on September 21, 2013, 03:04:57 pm
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Well, with all due respect, she had receded from people's minds over the years. Vanity Fair has become such a tawdry rag lately. :bored:

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: sandy on September 21, 2013, 04:19:18 pm
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I don't think she "receded" from all minds. Even Charles' cousin had to spew venom about her again.

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: Snowpea on September 21, 2013, 04:46:57 pm
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She's not spewing venom but her as much as she seemed to be asked about her and gave what was to her an honest opinion.

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: sandy on September 21, 2013, 04:52:01 pm
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Did anybody "force her" to answer? She put down Diana before what did the interviewer expect? The interviewer and Hicks remembered Diana. I think that "receding from memory" is wishful thinking for C and C. One can't make a sweeping statement about how "all" people have Diana receding from memory.. That sounds like one of Charles blanket statements from his spin doctors.

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: Snowpea on September 21, 2013, 05:49:07 pm
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Who wrote they "forced" her? :easter-sly:

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Title: Re: Is Princess Diana getting a posthumous makeover?
Post by: sandy on September 21, 2013, 08:01:25 pm
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OK I'll repeat. You said that Hicks only said the nasty stuff about Diana because she was asked the question. I said that nobody forced her to say this, it was her idea.

She could have said no comment and moved on. It's the old saying if you don't have anything nice to say about anyone don't say anything at all. Especially true if the woman slammed is dead.
Sorry not giving Pammy a free pass.

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Title: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 28, 2013, 09:18:35 am
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Is Diana's memory being used and abused by the RF and even her own sons?

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: Snowpea on October 30, 2013, 01:43:16 am
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It's certainly being played upon by a certain, ah hem, family. :Kate:

I don't think the RF pays it much attention, quite frankly.

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: CathyJane on October 30, 2013, 03:00:33 am
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Not by the Windsors, by certainly Willy and his new family.

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 30, 2013, 07:29:15 am
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William and Kate are the main abusers, but Diana keeps getting invoked to cover Harry in a kind of halo as well.

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: Nighthawk on October 30, 2013, 01:58:33 pm
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I don't see how Prince William and Kate are using and abusing Diana's memory? really just because they use the same buildings (which are suppose to be used not only for Royals or ex members) I honestly don't see how they're doing this

Kate wore the polka dotted dress in memory of Diana
Prince William gave Kate his mother's ring In Memory of his mother IMO
Getting Married and having the christening in the places where she had services done after she passed was in honor of his Mother

I don't understand why using public places are using and abusing Diana's memory

Both Prince's have supported their Mum's charity's so what's the big deal in wanting to be a part of something that they're mum did?

the royals IMO cash in on her Memory :king:

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: sandy on October 30, 2013, 02:03:21 pm
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Charles cousin recently did a hatchet job on Diana. I think that within the Windsors there remains a dislike of Diana. Camilla probably makes nasty comments and always loathed Diana.

William does play the Diana card and I think his PR puts out that his laziness is part of a "plan" where Kate won't be subjected to (dare I say it) a lot of work and she needs to be Eased into royal duties because of what happened to Diana. Sheer nonsense. Diana liked royal work but the marriage was the problem. Same with Fergie, the Queen is supposed to be "easing" Kate into work because of Fergie. Work was not Fergie's problem for obvious reasons.

William is inconsistent. He didn't choose one of the Spencers to be a godparent but chose a Windsor cousin. Why not have both sides represented. Diana's friend chosen Ms. Samuel was somebody Diana dropped as a friend a few years before she died. None of her friends to the end like Bartholomew and Monckton were chosen.

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: dianab on October 30, 2013, 10:57:00 pm
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^Anyone who read what you write would thinks the Spencers are a wonderful & supportive family. Nothing more far away of truth. Julia Samuel have a charity who Diana was patron and now is William, I do think she's a good choice, she's a discreet woman who never sell herself as friend of Diana as she was alive as all this years she's dead.

Different of Rosa Monckton who was reported in 1990s have on-off friendship with Diana, because Diana had distrust issues with her & her reasons for want be her friend, the woman had Hello mag for cover the christening of her daughter for shows 'Diana is godmother of my daughter' and Diana discover in Hello was covering the christening when came out the issue.

But of course with Diana dead she could tell what likes, says when Diana fell out with her was because she dont liked heard she was wrong, she loves 'forget' as the press commented Diana was suspect of hers. And loves said as she gave the most wonderful advice to Diana: 'put up with Camila & Charles and looked to other side' and 'as you're betraying the Windsors with that book & interview', according to her Charles also is wonderful man... Not surprised William & Harry never even wanted have any relationship with this woman all of this years.

Zara & Peter are in all probability the only Windsors who William (& Harry) have a relationship & genuine affection (she was picked out of this IMO, not for an Windsor). She & her brother became close to William (& Harry) in moment most hard/paintful of his life when Diana died, they were credited to help William & Harry going through that moment and were there for them. I believe much more in it than the 'Great father' spin by Charles, he cared about & loves Camilla I have none doubt, he always was much more there for her than for his own sons. Even when his sons lost their mother, he was more interested in his & her reputation than be there for his sons. The Spencers in certain way are worst than Windsors, after all Diana was THEIR sister, they were who should feels 'obliged' to be loyal to & be there for her. But they choiced their connections. Charles Spencer, being the only exception, IMO he's result of as he was brought up, the very longed heir, - he's a spoiled man who only thinks about himself, but not an Windsor kissing-arse as his sisters Jane & Sarah : hide

:

IMO will be hypocritical of William picked one of Spencers, his mother, he or Harry never could rely on any of that persons (Spencers).

I agree with chef of Diana said:
The Royal Chef ‏@darrenmcgrady 21 out
Prince George Christening Wednesday is in the Chapel Royal where I said goodbye to Princess Diana. #Happy #Sad

CurlyGirl ‏@curly_One 21 out
@darrenmcgrady would be nice to see a Spencer as a godparent.

The Royal Chef ‏@darrenmcgrady 21 out
The Spencers were never there for #princewilliam as a child. Can't see him asking any of them to be Godparents for #PrinceGeorge @curly_One

Is #PrinceWilliam playing "payback" with #PrinceGeorge Christening ?
www.theroyalchef.com/2013/10/the-christening-of-prince-george-alexander-louis-of-cambridge/
Quote from: Nighthawk on October 30, 2013, 01:58:33 pm
I don't see how Prince William and Kate are using and abusing Diana's memory? really just because they use the same buildings (which are suppose to be used not only for Royals or ex members) I honestly don't see how they're doing this

Kate wore the polka dotted dress in memory of Diana
Prince William gave Kate his mother's ring In Memory of his mother IMO
Getting Married and having the christening in the places where she had services done after she passed was in honor of his Mother

I don't understand why using public places are using and abusing Diana's memory

Both Prince's have supported their Mum's charity's so what's the big deal in wanting to be a part of something that they're mum did?

the royals IMO cash in on her Memory :king:
:goodpost: :worship: :worship: :worship:

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: sandy on October 31, 2013, 04:12:15 am
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A Spencer cousin to William who could have been chosen was not responsible for hurting Diana. It would have been a gesture acknowledging his Spencer side of the Family. For all intents and purposes Will is a Spencer too.

Julia Samuel and Diana were not friends at the time of Diana's death. She probably is a nice person but there were those who were always friends with Diana. Carolyn Bartholomew is a good example of one of her best friends. Moncktonn DID speak out against Camilla attending the Memorial Service which probably ruined her chances to be a godparent.

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: dianab on October 31, 2013, 02:33:32 pm
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Rosa Monckton DID made an NOT nice remark (in article after George was born) about Carole Middleton, who's completely entitled be involved in life of her grandson, even more specially because she is his only ALIVE grandmother. She's probably among these who thinks a middle-class is NOT good enough for be blood-related to a future king, and that Charles should have more involvement in life of child than the middle class Middletons. Probably is among these feeling sorry for Charles because he wouldnt see much of his grandchild as that middle class family (as the articles during the pregnancy of Kate were saying) ...

Why dont made that some sort of remark about Camilla & Charles? With all of that PR of Camilla be 'the other grandmother'.

She also wrote in DM after wedding of William/Kate, she was giving a message (is obvious in article) to Charles, 'I still thinks highly of HRH/Sir'. When the Penny Junor book came out (in 1998/9) she put down any claims that Charles may have any involvement in that book (exactly what I expected of hers - an Establishment figure :bored:). She & Charles were TOGETHER involved in that awful fountain. When she spoke out about Camilla, she never cited any bad word about Charles or his campaign to trash the Diana's repuation... she never wanted fell out of favor with him. This is OBVIOUS :wopedo:
Quote from: Kuei Fei on October 30, 2013, 07:29:15 am
William and Kate are the main abusers, but Diana keeps getting invoked to cover Harry in a kind of halo as well.
The Windsors are the main abusers... wanting played be her victims and rewrite the story for they looked good bignono

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Title: Re: Is Diana's Memory Being Used and Abused?
Post by: AnaBolena on October 31, 2013, 06:42:38 pm
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KF, I believe William and Wasty certainly use the Di Card as often as possible. It's getting rather old. :thumbsdown:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snokitty on March 17, 2014, 10:34:00 pm
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www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/14/hillary-clinton-nasty-palace-politics-princess-diana-funeral
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Hillary Clinton was advised to take no questions while attending the funeral of Princess Diana to “avoid entanglement in the increasingly nasty palace politics”, according to newly released papers from her husband’s presidential library.

The White House was also asked by the British embassy to give a ride on Clinton’s plane to a cousin of Prince Charles who wanted to attend the funeral in 1997, claims a brief, but candid, note between US officials.

It is not clear from the papers, released on Friday, whether Tim Knatchbull, the grandson of Lord Mountbatten , eventually succeeded in hitching a lift with the then First Lady, though a bemused-sounding White House appeared willing to comply with the request.

But US embassy staff in London made clear that they regarded the funeral as a diplomatic minefield for Clinton, who was the most senior US figure to attend, and was due to give a statement at the ambassador’s residence, Winfield House.

Glyn Davies, a White House official, wrote to Clinton’s team to pass on advice from the deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in London, Bob Bradtke. “Bradtke says she will be the most prominent guest at the funeral and it is appropriate/expected that she make a brief statement but answer no questions (to avoid entanglement in what he describes as the increasingly “nasty” Palace politics),” reads the memo from Davies.

The document is one of more than 6,000 pages of previously restricted documents released by the library on a second tranche of disclosures on Friday.

“The UK Embassy has asked Larry Butler whether a cousin of Prince Charles, Tim Knatchbull – also grandson of Lord Mountbatten and present on the boat when Mountbatten was assassinated – can hitch a ride on FLOTUS plane,” said Davies.

“I’ve asked Legal whether any impediments exist to taking him along. If OK with Legal, I’ll put to FLOTUS staff.”

The documents showed that the British royal family was also described as “screwed up” by a senior White House official during an exchange of emails with colleagues.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Yooper on March 17, 2014, 10:38:01 pm
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^Well, now, isn't that interesting. Thanks, Snokitty.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Magnolia on May 14, 2014, 02:18:21 am
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Very interesting stuff about PD from her chef what the paps use to do to her.
dianaremembered.wordpress.com/2007/10/06/princess-di%E2%80%99s-personal-chef-shares-recipes-and-recollections/ (http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/2007/10/06/princess-di%E2%80%99s-personal-chef-shares-recipes-and-recollections/)

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Duchess Georgiana on May 26, 2014, 09:29:57 am
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I didn't want to open a thread for this. The issue is that I need to vent. I am fuming at some of the vile comments posted under the Martin Bashir Panorama Interview on YouTube. Some Monarchists calling Diana horrible names and saying they look forward to having Charles as King and Camilla as Queen! Ugh! She will never be Queen in my books. Diana made mistakes but so did Charles. Those people trash her because of her infidelities, but then she was a 19 year old and a virgin. Maybe she thought that because she was younger and prettier she was going to win him over. But then he cheated on her for the whole world to see and she felt used and humiliated, which led her to retaliate. Nobody is a saint and those people who point the finger at her are sinners as well. Camilla and Charles will never have the popularity Diana had (and still has). I saw a video on YT telling the story of Charles' mistresses and it said he slept with Camilla at the Palace on the eve of the Royal Wedding, while Diana was sleeping in another wing. Disgusting! I don't condone cheating on your spouse but Diana got very angry. She had to expose Charles and the RF, although it cost her life at the end

I think Princes William and Harry put up with Camilla for the sake of having peace in the family but they are aware of what that woman did to their mom.

Thanks for reading

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Rosella on May 26, 2014, 09:48:46 am
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Funnily enough I saw the Panorama interview and ' Behind the Panorama interview' on YouTube only the other day. I hadn't seen the Panorama interview since it was shown originally.
I didn't take any notice of the YouTube comments but I did notice afresh how beautiful Diana was, and how articulate. There was barely an 'um' or 'er' during the whole interview. She also showed a sense of humour. I just reflected again on how sad it was that the marriage did not succeed as she and Charles would have made an unbeatable team.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Duchess Georgiana on May 26, 2014, 09:52:59 pm
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Thanks Rosella kisss. I need to see the Behind Panorama one. Diana was so lovely during that interview. I loved her giggles. No matter what the Monarchists say, Camilla and Catherine cannot hold a candle to her. I have a friend from Wales who told me that she will have Diana as Princess of Wales forever. Like Earl Spencer said during Diana's funeral "she needed no royal title to work her particular brand of magic" (something on this line). I feel some in the RF are still jealous of her many years after her death. It's because her legacy lives on and no one can take it away from her.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 27, 2014, 12:10:51 pm
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^ Totally agree. Ii was a great Diana fan, still am. Campon and wasty are not even in the same league as Princess Diana, and never will be. She is irreplaceable in my view, and it should be so. I had hopes for wimpo marrying a nice woman, with some Princess Diana similarities - warmth, care, consideration, a love of her fellow people, but also with her own attributes to bring to the position, and of course her own personality. Sadly, wasty does not hold a tiny little match to her, let alone a candle. Campon was always out of her league, and continues to be so.

It is lovely to watch the YouTube vids, see her all over again, hear her voice. Princess Diana, never forgotten. How I wish she had never been killed, she was the real Jewel in the Crown for the rf, sadly they did not like that.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Freya on May 27, 2014, 12:34:11 pm
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Lets hope that Harry chooses well and it's a woman with Diana's qualities and compassion. Personally I did not see that in Cressida.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Duchess Georgiana on May 27, 2014, 09:05:23 pm
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Quote from: gingerboy24 on May 27, 2014, 12:10:51 pm
^ Totally agree. Ii was a great Diana fan, still am. Campon and wasty are not even in the same league as Princess Diana, and never will be. She is irreplaceable in my view, and it should be so. I had hopes for wimpo marrying a nice woman, with some Princess Diana similarities - warmth, care, consideration, a love of her fellow people, but also with her own attributes to bring to the position, and of course her own personality. Sadly, wasty does not hold a tiny little match to her, let alone a candle. Campon was always out of her league, and continues to be so.

It is lovely to watch the YouTube vids, see her all over again, hear her voice. Princess Diana, never forgotten. How I wish she had never been killed, she was the real Jewel in the Crown for the rf, sadly they did not like that.

:thankyou: Thanks so much for this post. it made me smile. Diana is irreplaceable! I wish she had found a man who loved and adored her the way she deserved, a man who would be willing to face up to the scrutiny of the media for the sake of being with her. I know it's easier said than done but she deserved it

Now, since this is a random chat about our darling Princess, I've once read someone was trying to pair her up with JFK Jr. Sadly, he also had a tragic death

Can you imagine those two together? If he became President of The United States and Diana The First Lady? Sorry, I know I'm giving wings to my imagination. One thing I know is that America loved Diana :loveshower:

Sadly, JFK also had a tragic death

@freya: I agree with you. Cressida comes across as stiff and cold.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Fly on the wall on May 28, 2014, 09:11:52 pm
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Princess Diana's last letter sells for £2,400 at Birmingham auction

The letter written in August 1997 was the last official letter to be written by Diana before her death

Princess Diana’s last official letter has sold for £2,400 at an auction in Birmingham.

The note, to a humanitarian campaigner, was bought by a private buyer at Fellows Auctioneers on Monday.

Mark Huddleston, of Fellows, said: “We’re generally pleased with the final hammer price for this lot.

“It went for well within the expected estimate and received a lot of attention in doing so.

“The letter’s new owner will no doubt appreciate the importance of this historical document.

“Who knows, in the future it may well be under the hammer again.”

The letter was written on Kensington Palace-headed notepaper to landmine campaigner Dilys Cheetham to thank her for her work in Bosnia.

The document was dated just three weeks before the princess died in a Paris car crash in August 1997 and signed “with love from Diana”.

Ms Cheetham, from Richmond, North Yorkshire, died in 2006, having sold the letter to celebrity photographer Jason Fraser in a 1999 charity auction to raise money for landmine victims.

He then sold the letter to a private collector in 2007 – the tenth anniversary of Diana’s death.
www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/princess-dianas-last-letter-sells-7043799#.U16XyF2EppU.twitter

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: YooperModerator on May 29, 2014, 12:49:25 pm
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^What a beautiful and well-crafted letter. She either has excellent writing skills or staff who are able to write the way she speaks because it is indeed a form letter but doesn't sound like one. That's more difficult to do than people may think.

How very sad, though, and yet another tug at the heart. Such a loss and I just know she would have accomplished so much for so many if given the time.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Duchess Georgiana on May 29, 2014, 09:47:15 pm
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Thanks for sharing Fly on the wall :flower: It proves once more that Diana keeps on helping the needy from beyond the grave :thumbsup:

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Title: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Mandosiel on July 01, 2014, 10:21:33 am
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:bday-song: (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy110.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) :loveshower: kisss

Diana Frances Spencer was born at 7:45 pm in the evening on July 1, 1961 in the bow-fronted bedroom of Park House on the Queen's Sandringham Estate in Norfolk where her mother, Frances had been born before her.

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: kolkomilko on July 01, 2014, 11:32:04 am
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Happy commemoration of her birthday! :stars:

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Snowdrop on July 01, 2014, 12:20:35 pm
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Gone but definitley never forgotten

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Emperor on July 01, 2014, 02:23:41 pm
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I miss her soooooooooo much :sob: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Rosella on July 01, 2014, 02:30:29 pm
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Yes, so do I, Emperor. She was taken at the peak of life and health and beauty. RIP Diana. :loveshower:

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Mandosiel on July 01, 2014, 04:55:31 pm
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I think we all miss her in a way as if she'd been our own mother. :bye: I remembered very early this morning what day it was and wanted to make a thread to commemorate her birthday, she'd have been a beautiful 53 no doubt. kisss

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Title: Re: Happy 53rd Birthday Princess Diana!!! Gone but not Forgotten.
Post by: Magnolia on July 05, 2014, 12:42:46 am
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How time flies wow.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Pense on July 26, 2014, 11:

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While looking for info about C&Ds wedding for a post in a different thread I found this piece.
Since the anniversary of that date is Tuesday I thought this would be the place to post it.
It is a biting critique of the performance of US commentators and news reporters on the wedding.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 04, 2014, 01:18:28 pm
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Diana didn't have to have anyone torn down to build her up; she lifted other people and really, really set an amazing example. The palace didn't have to tear anyone down to build her up and she only had to slap on a nice frock to gain more points for the palace. A sane man would never have cheated on her.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: india on August 05, 2014, 01:29:15 am
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Well KF, we all know that PC is not sane. Wanting to be a tampon stuffed up The Dried Up Rotweiller says it all.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Emperor on August 05, 2014, 03:18:38 am
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^ ITA

P.s india, Good to see that you're back :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: india on August 05, 2014, 04:25:51 am
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Thank you Emperor.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2014, 01:22:40 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on August 04, 2014, 01:18:28 pm
Diana didn't have to have anyone torn down to build her up; she lifted other people and really, really set an amazing example. The palace didn't have to tear anyone down to build her up and she only had to slap on a nice frock to gain more points for the palace. A sane man would never have cheated on her.
Now they are paying for the treatment they put upon her the RF seems to be a big ball of mess lately and counting.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: india on August 08, 2014, 06:31:15 am
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Well, what comes around goes around.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on August 09, 2014, 09:37:58 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on August 04, 2014, 01:18:28 pm
Diana didn't have to have anyone torn down to build her up; she lifted other people and really, really set an amazing example. The palace didn't have to tear anyone down to build her up and she only had to slap on a nice frock to gain more points for the palace. A sane man would never have cheated on her.
Well ... with all due respect public Di and private Di were two different things and poor Chuck had to live with THE REAL one ...

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Countess of Holland on August 09, 2014, 01:42:56 pm
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'Poor Chuck' was a man in his 30's when he decided to marry his broodmare. He made his bed and then he refused to sleep in it. There is nothing 'poor' about Charles. He is a petulant, arrogant man who wasn't man enough to face up to the consequences of his own behaviour.
The apple hasn't fallen that far from the tree with Silly Willy.

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Post by: Jane23 on August 09, 2014, 02:26:33 pm
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^ Problem is gold digger Spencers who aren't any better than the Middletons and threw more than one daughter at him wouldn't give him a clear picture of how disturbed Di was ... she was presented to him in one way and she showed her true colors only after the wedding when it was a done deal ...

i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02731/charlesladies_McCo_2731857k.jpg

www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-HU009010.jpg?size=67&uid=9969b838-891d-49cf-8e7a-50d1237892ac

funny how desperate The Spencers were to marry "evil" Chuck ...

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: AnaBolena on August 09, 2014, 11:00:05 pm
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^ you're actually correct Jane. Charles had no idea of who Diana truly was until post marriage. It was then that he found himself married to not someone who loved all the things he did which gave the couple a solid base to work on, but to someone who liked nothing he liked - in other words he had married an illusion that didn't exist. The perpetual fairy

tale that even Diana wanted to die in the end.

The Spencer's were equally, if not more guilty than the midds, although Diana was originally intended for Prince Andrew, it was Diana who set out after Prince Charles with the backing of her family.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: cate1949 on August 09, 2014, 11:52:38 pm
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^ yes AnaBolena - and later Diana's family members expressed regret that they had not been forthcoming about some of Diana's emotional problems. The notion that only commoners are climbers or are after the money/status is not true - the aristos go for the gold too. No matter how high youmight think you are in the aristo food chain - nothing is as high as being Queen.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Jane23 on August 10, 2014, 09:46:37 am
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^ I suspect granny instructed Di on how to behave to get The Tiara and it worked but after the wedding she couldn't keep the pretence anymore and they were BOTH trapped ... it wasn't only Di who was having a horrible time imagine being manipulated into marrying someone that doesn't exist and you end up married to a whole new person ...

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Snowpea on August 10, 2014, 03:55:35 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on August 09, 2014, 02:26:33 pm
^ Problem is gold digger Spencers who aren't any better than the Middletons and threw more than one daughter at him wouldn't give him a clear picture of how disturbed Di was ... she was presented to him in one way and she showed her true colors only after the wedding when it was a done deal ...

i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02731/charlesladies_McCo_2731857k.jpg

www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-HU009010.jpg?size=67&uid=9969b838-891d-49cf-8e7a-50d1237892ac

funny how desperate The Spencers were to marry "evil" Chuck ...

So true, they have been grasping climbers for over 300 years. They even had no problems turning viciously on their own if they failed to curry Royal favour. More than several instances of this throughout the generations. They knew the score. :bored:

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Post by: india on August 10, 2014, 05:42:17 pm
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Be that as it may.......the Spencer's; however know how to act and behave as opposed to the Middletons who never had any proper home training. The Middletons are a huge embarrassment on every level. To wit , the chronic Crotchbridge flashing. Need I say more?

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Post by: AnaBolena on August 10, 2014, 09:19:47 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on August 10, 2014, 09:46:37 am
^ I suspect granny instructed Di on how to behave to get The Tiara and it worked but after the wedding she couldn't keep the pretence anymore and they were BOTH trapped ... it wasn't only Di who was having a horrible time imagine being manipulated into marrying someone that doesn't exist and you end up married to a whole new person ...

It is one illusion tethered to another. (Unevenly yoked). Very sad for both involved, but IMO those Spencer's have a great deal to answer for, and I mean the family, not Diana herself even though she did know she was faking liking everything Charles liked I feel she can be forgiven for her age, or lack thereof.

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Post by: cate1949 on August 11, 2014, 01:40:02 am
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right Diana was so young and so impressionable of course she would be star struck by Charles. Her family though should have known better but let their own ambitions get in the way.

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Post by: AnaBolena on August 11, 2014, 05:05:39 pm
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^ I believe so, Cate. Totally agree with you.

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Post by: Fly on the wall on September 21, 2014, 01:29:04 am
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The real story behind the photos that laid bare Diana's despair: For 12 years he guarded the most intimate secrets of Charles, Diana (and Camilla). Now, in a new memoir, their former press officer reveals all
As a royal correspondent in the early days of their marriage, I witnessed many an occasion when Charles couldn’t keep his hands off Diana.

He would often rest his hand on her forearm, and every now and then give her bottom a light pat when they were out and about on engagements. To suggest they were never in love is pure conjecture.

But by the beginning of the Nineties, nine years after their marriage and shortly after I started working for them as their press officer, it was abundantly clear all was not well within their relationship.

Nothing had been said on the subject, and nothing would be — by their staff, at least. But their living arrangements had begun to hint strongly at a marital rift.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762971/The-real-story-photos-laid-bare-Diana-s-despair-For-12-years-guarded-intimate-secrets-Charles-Diana-Camilla-Now-former-press-officer-reveals-all.html

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Post by: Kuei Fei on December 29, 2014, 05:13:24 am
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To be honest, after her marriage, I'm surprised Diana even bothered to begin dating and having affairs as quick as she did. She ended up coming across as a woman who was made a fool of time and time again. Hoare, Gilby, then there was Khan, but even that went bust after finding out she wasn't part of Khan's race and class. She then moved onto Fayed when she ended up in Paris. She never, never should have ended up getting mixed up with men after all she went through with Charles. She really should have taken time out of relationships and figured out what would be good for her. For some reason she never smartened up and thought those things through.

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Post by: CarryingOn on December 29, 2014, 08:14:42 am
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I don't think it's surprising. It actually seems quite a common happening among women who are desperately looking for the love and affection they never got in some way, shape, or form. They move from one relationship to the next trying to desperately forge strong relationship bonds. These women could also have low self-esteem despite being beautiful, well off, intelligent, etc. It's common but sad no matter how many times you see it.

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Post by: sandy on December 30, 2014, 12:35:18 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on December 29, 2014, 05:13:24 am
To be honest, after her marriage, I'm surprised Diana even bothered to begin dating and having affairs as quick as she did. She ended up coming across as a woman who was made a fool of time and time again. Hoare, Gilby, then there was Khan, but even that went bust after finding out she wasn't part of Khan's race and class. She then moved onto Fayed when she ended up in Paris. She never, never should have ended up getting mixed up with men after all she went through with Charles. She really should have taken time out of relationships and figured out what would be good for her. For some reason she never smartened up and thought those things through.

It takes two. Charles never smartened up and dumped the controlling married mistress. His association with her dragged down his own reputation and popularity. She is not exactly liked. If he had not been so foolish he could have worked on his marriage. Diana was used to have his children then he was done with her.

Diana was only 36 when she died so no conclusions can be reached. She was still young and could have got it right.

She was in her early twenties when Charles left her bed. Camilla was an evil influence but Charles acted like a spoiled self entitled prat by getting involved with her.

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Post by: gingerboy24 on February 02, 2015, 09:36:14 pm
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www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/princess-diana-key-dna-evidence-hidden-by-royals-new-autopsy-bombshell-photo-globe/

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Post by: Alexandrine on March 16, 2015, 08:05:43 pm
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Inspired by Princess Diana! Elizabeth Hurley reveals her fashion choices in The Royals come not from Kate Middleton but rather the late icon

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2992368/Elizabeth-Hurley-reveals-fashion-choices-Royals-come-not-Kate-Middleton-late-icon.html#ixzz3Ua6OaudQ

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The Little-Known Empress with Striking Similarities to Princess Diana

www.vanityfair.com/style/2015/02/the-accidental-empress-empress-sisi-compared-to-princess-diana

Sissi is little known?

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Post by: sandy on March 16, 2015, 10:48:39 pm
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I read this book. It is good but it needs a sequel since it ends ca. 1867.

It is similar to Charles and Diana since Franz Joseph as portrayed in the book tells his wife that it is "traditional" to have a mistress. But it differs since the novel claims Elisabeth was infected with an STD caught from her husband (who was infected by one of his mistresses). It differs in that Franz Joseph's mother got to raise the children.

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Post by: Alexandrine on March 16, 2015, 10:59:39 pm
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^sadly I think that was pretty common on that era (I believe I realised about that in some book may be Kreutzer sonata?) and found it amazing that I hadn't notice before that the poor wives had to be monogamous and even get std from the husbands....

But I think that Elizabeth was ok with FJ having a second family after all she preferred to be out and about than stay in the imperial palace. Thinking about it the stories are similar and if Elizabeth had lived in the same era as Diana she would have divorced too. Though maybe even sooner than Diana did and there was no Camilla. Even though her mother in law wins Camz in any round.

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Post by: Rosella on March 16, 2015, 11:37:03 pm
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I don't think the Empress (Sissi) is 'little-known'. She comes up a lot in any discussions on European royalty and historical pieces. I think the difference between Elizabeth and Diana is though, that in spite of the mistresses Franz Josef adored Elizabeth and so allowed her travels away from Austria, though he was distressed by them.

If Diana had travelled for months at a time out of the UK for any reason, it wouldn't have mattered in a personal sense to Charles, though he would always have been conscious of bad PR and would have restrained her on that account.

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Post by: YooperModerator on March 17, 2015, 02:08:51 am
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Not that I'm anybody, but until I came on this site I'd never heard of Sissi. Maybe it's a European thing? Good articles, though.

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Post by: cate1949 on March 17, 2015, 03:41:07 am
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In Austria Sissi is well remembered - there are always flowers at her tomb in the Imperial vaults.

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Post by: Miss Hathaway on March 17, 2015, 09:03:10 pm
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Quote from: Rosella on March 16, 2015, 11:37:03 pm
I don't think the Empress (Sissi) is 'little-known'. She comes up a lot in any discussions on European royalty and historical pieces. I think the difference between Elizabeth and Diana is though, that in spite of the mistresses Franz Josef adored Elizabeth and so allowed her travels away from Austria, though he was distressed by them.

If Diana had travelled for months at a time out of the UK for any reason, it wouldn't have mattered in a personal sense to Charles, though he would always have been conscious of bad PR and would have restrained her on that account.

Franz Josef adored Elisabeth to the point of smothering, and she travelled to get away from him as much as to simply satisfy her wander-lust nature.

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Post by: Jane23 on March 25, 2015, 10:28:34 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on December 29, 2014, 05:13:24 am
To be honest, after her marriage, I'm surprised Diana even bothered to begin dating and having affairs as quick as she did. She ended up coming across as a woman who was made a fool of time and time again. Hoare, Gilby, then there was Khan, but even that went bust after finding out she wasn't part of Khan's race and class. She then moved onto Fayed when she ended up in Paris. She never, never should have ended up getting mixed up with men after all she went through with Charles. She really should have taken time out of relationships and figured out what would be good for her. For some reason she never smartened up and thought those things through.
Daddy issues ... all her issues go back to daddy issues she always craved attention especially male attention and I have to say that is the origin of her being so needy ... that is why her marriage would have never worked Cam or not Cam Chuck would have never been able to be what she wanted in a man remember the woman tried to cut her wrist because he was on the phone with probably someone important and couldn't pay attention to her!!! Now I know we all *despise* Chuck but just try walk in his shoes and imagine what is like living in that nightmare!!!

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Post by: Rosella on March 25, 2015, 11:37:59 am
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I think Diana had more mummy issues than Daddy ones. She was affected all her life, I believe, by her mother leaving the family and yes, she was needy as a result. She thought marriage to Charles was going to be a refuge from those feelings because there could be no divorce. Then of course she realised soon after the wedding that Charles cared but not enough, she didn't have his true devotion. I don't think she cut herself badly, it was just her intense misery. Imo her entire life was a search for the perfect love, but of course it never happened.

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Post by: Ariel on March 25, 2015, 11:48:11 am
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i think that the whole self-harming was a cry for attention not because of mommy or daddy issues but because of the cheating husband and his arrogant mistress. just look at how the mistress treated the future queen of England. adding to that that at such a young age she was cut off from friends and family.
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I said, 'I know what's going on between you and Charles and I just want you to know that.'"
She said Mrs Parker Bowles told her: "You've got everything you ever wanted. 'You've got all the men in the world fall in love with you and you've got two beautiful children, what more do you want?'
Diana said: "So I said, 'I want my husband'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-299776/Diana-tapes-tell-Camilla-clash.html

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Post by: sandy on March 25, 2015, 03:28:41 pm
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Quote from: Rosella on March 25, 2015, 11:37:59 am
I think Diana had more mummy issues than Daddy ones. She was affected all her life, I believe, by her mother leaving the family and yes, she was needy as a result. She thought marriage to Charles was going to be a refuge from those feelings because there could be no divorce. Then of course she realised soon after the wedding that Charles cared but not enough, she didn't have his true devotion. I don't think she cut herself badly, it was just her intense misery. Imo her entire life was a search for the perfect love, but of course it never happened.
Charles cared more for another woman than he did for Diana. It was not just "caring enough" for his new wife. Should not a wife expect that the man who marries her will not prefer another woman? A husband cannot be caring of his wife if he does not forsake all others from the get go. I don't think a young wife is "needy" if she resents that her husband can't let go of the other woman. How horrifying to see the husband parade around with cufflinks from the other woman on the honeymoon!

Camilla freely put down Diana and went to the tabs with "her story" and made sure she undermined Diana every step of the way. She moved in on the wife's territory by playing hostess in Diana's residence at Highgrove. I agree with Ariel Camilla is and was arrogant as all get out.

Charles appeared more needy and had the mother issues. He went for a woman who looked like his nanny and felt he needed more than one woman.

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Post by: Jane23 on March 25, 2015, 04:46:36 pm
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^ It's called wedding present ... Chuck reconnected with Cam in 1986 after his marriage had gone bust and those who say otherwise can't proof anything in fact even Di said he had gone back to his lady after Harry ... so no Chuck didn't prefer another woman from the get go he married and he knew he couldn't divorce so claiming he married while having Cam on the side doesn't make logical sense ... he went back to a woman he had more in common with after his life became a living hell ...

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Post by: sandy on March 25, 2015, 04:56:30 pm
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Yeah a real wedding present for the young bride. Seeing hubby wear C and C cufflinks. the bride would have to be a total doormat. Charles admitted he was involved with Camilla ca. 1979-80 and there are reports by people who saw Camilla at the Royal Train in November 1980. And Jane, why not read Charles authorized biography. He Admits he preferred Camilla when he married Diana. Very plainly and clearly. And you don't think that would doom the marriage? Let's get real. Charles believed in keeping married mistresses since he had others in addition. Lady Dale Tryon comes to mind. And there was Janet Jenkins of Canada also. Maybe Charles' dysfunctional lifestyle makes no sense.

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Post by: Jane23 on March 26, 2015, 08:53:42 am
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^ Huh it was a wedding present for Chuck we don't know what she gave Di anyways ... when a relationship doesn't work it's both parties fault no one was "the monster" in the "melodrama" it was just a marriage that should have never happened ...

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Post by: YooperModerator on March 26, 2015, 03:30:39 pm
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A strong reminder that when posting, unless verifiable facts are present, it is only a person's opinion and should be stated as such. "The way I see it" or "I believe". Opinions are welcomed but are not necessarily facts and cause discord when presented in a challenging way. YM

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2015, 04:00:40 pm
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To be honest, after her marriage, I'm surprised Diana even bothered to begin dating and having affairs as quick as she did. She ended up coming across as a woman who was made a fool of time and time again. Hoare, Gilby, then there was Khan, but even that went bust after finding out she wasn't part of Khan's race and class. She then moved onto Fayed when she ended up in Paris. She never, never should have ended up getting mixed up with men after all she went through with Charles. She really should have taken time out of relationships and figured out what would be good for her. For some reason she never smartened up and thought those things through.
Daddy issues ... all her issues go back to daddy issues she always craved attention especially male attention and I have to say that is the origin of her being so needy ... that is why her marriage would have never worked Cam or not Cam Chuck would have never been able to be what she wanted in a man remember the woman tried to cut her wrist because he was on the phone with probably someone important and couldn't pay attention to her!!! Now I know we all *despise* Chuck but just try walk in his shoes and imagine what is like living in that nightmare!!!

Quote from: Rosella on March 25, 2015, 11:37:59 am
I think Diana had more mummy issues than Daddy ones. She was affected all her life, I believe, by her mother leaving the family and yes, she was needy as a result. She thought marriage to Charles was going to be a refuge from those feelings because there could be no divorce. Then of course she realised soon after the wedding that Charles cared but not enough, she didn't have his true devotion. I don't think she cut herself badly, it was just her intense misery. Imo her entire life was a search for the perfect love, but of course it never happened.

Both her parents failed in every area; neither did the right thing and gave her the attention and help she needed and frankly failed. Her mother failed to support her during her need to speak to an experienced female and her father at that point had degenerated physically and was of no help there.

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Post by: sandy on March 26, 2015, 04:37:14 pm
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If the marriage had never happened William and Harry would not exist. The marriage happened so no use crying over spilled milk. In any case Charles has that big PR machine churning away. And I believe Camilla's presence doomed the Diana and Charles marriage. Charles had the "disease" of the some of the Windsors being in the thrall of a married mistress and nothing and nobody could tell him what he was doing was wrong.

No matter how remote her parents had been with Diana, it does not change that Charles IMO just married her for expediency's sake. It was a rather cynical way in which he went into the marriage. Daddy Spencer was outdoors after the engagement announcement meeting and greeting the public and Charles asked him permission. And her mother kept her concerns to herself. Bur at the same time Charles should have found a woman who would agree to all his terms (including Camilla) and spell this out ahead of time.

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Post by: AnaBolena on March 27, 2015, 02:27:23 am
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KF, I agree with you, but IMO she failed herself when she started dating so many different men so fast without a care for her own well being. You know, letting some time pass, perhaps seeing a psych.

^ Sandy, IMO which can be backed up by professionals, no good, strong and happy marriage can be broken up by another party.

To no one in particular, in one video I watched Di actually says 'I thought he would look after me like a Father'. I'll have to look for it again, but the statement was very telling.

I still think they both messed up big time but it's water under the bridge and the very same water that has happened to many many people.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 03:23:43 am
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Yes, she did let herself down big time. I've been burned and after the first bad (five year long) relationship I decided to abstain and after getting dumped again, I took a break from relationships and worked on myself. Diana could have dedicated herself to her charities and kids and enjoyed friendships, not men.

When you're a thirty-six year old mother of two, you need to stop looking for a Daddy and start looking after your own kids. Now, before Charles and Camilla are dragged out (who seem to be scapegoated for EVERYTHING Diana did wrong in life), she was a fully grown adult at 36 and should have been careful. It's not like she had a long term affair or a lover or two, this was a woman who was running through men and going after a married man? Even IF he led her on, she should have put the breaks on it before it happened. Talking behind the wife's back? Diana should have behaved better, done better.

With Dodi, it was like she had a sugar daddy and frankly that was so wrong of her. As for Charles, it wasn't his job to be Diana's father, it was his job to be a husband and he did his part for a very long time and I don't think he could handle being responsible for everything about Diana's welfare.

Thing is, after the marriage Diana should have ended up working on her own life, not running after another man to take care of her. It was her downfall really.

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Post by: AnaBolena on March 27, 2015, 03:45:27 am
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^ I hear you about the children. No way could I have ever turned my life into a man circus introducing my children to all different men if what happened to Di happened to me. I was burnt too but in a different way; took time out to work on me away from any male relationships - and I was younger than Di was. Only later did I marry. When so allegedly hurt the last thing women usually want is a man!!

I don't get the feeling Di was ever led on - I think, and this is only IMO, that she was the leader. Her nature was strong and she went after what she wanted. She adored male attention, but for all the wrong reasons, and many a time it didn't seem to matter who it was from right down to courting the press men.

IMO 30 is well and truly grown up. I feel sad she died so young before she could see in no relationship should everything go all one way, and no way can even a hard working man in the normal world cater to a needy wife. To be honest, it would turn many off.

If there had been no Dodi, I bet she'd still be alive.

No bringing up C and C for me - the statute of limitations on using them as an excuse IMO is sadly pathetic.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 04:12:36 am
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I'm done blaming Charles and Camilla for what happened.

Unlike most exes, Diana had a title, fat bank account, connections, had plenty of fans around the world and could have torched Westminster and been cheered on for it, or maybe St. Paul's since it was after all where she got married. So Diana had no business messing up the lives of other people.

Thing is, that Diana knew the pain of a back-stabbed wife and frankly she should have behaved better, done a lot better. Not messed with a married man.

Even IF she got a response, she played with fire, got burned, but wrecked a marriage, just like Camilla.

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Post by: AnaBolena on March 27, 2015, 04:27:50 am
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If she'd have torched St Pauls I'd have far more respect for her (sad for such a beautiful building but understandable), but metaphorically she torched herself by indulging in a self entitlement that appeared to know no boundaries.

I don't think she was thinking of her children, in fact I don't even presume to know what in the heck she was thinking at all, but broken hearts don't usually long for another mans bed so soon. Not in women, at least.

I have long had her on a par with Camilla in the male department, so the thing is, how do you hold one responsible and not the other.

Few women enter into the arena of messing with other women's husbands. She did it without a care as was done to her. Why would anyone with a modicum of human empathy wreak havoc and pain experienced oneself on another woman? Senseless.

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Post by: Jane23 on March 27, 2015, 09:29:10 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 04:12:36 am
I'm done blaming Charles and Camilla for what happened.

Unlike most exes, Diana had a title, fat bank account, connections, had plenty of fans around the world and could have torched Westminster and been cheered on for it, or maybe St. Paul's since it was after all where she got married. So Diana had no business messing up the lives of other people.

Thing is, that Diana knew the pain of a back-stabbed wife and frankly she should have behaved better, done a lot better. Not messed with a married man.

Even IF she got a response, she played with fire, got burned, but wrecked a marriage, just like Camilla.
I respect you very much because I know you love Di but won't justify every mess she pulled or blame Chuck for all that happened to her ... you are right Chuck was set for failure here because he was expected to be Di's daddy and spend his day paying attention to her and of course he wasn't the best man for the job as he already had a very demanding life no wonder he turn to an easy going woman who would actually listen to him instead of cutting her wrists or fall down the stairs every time he wasn't paying attention to her ...

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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2015, 01:38:54 pm
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Charles already had the "easy going" woman around. He never lost her. I don't get the bile towards Diana. It was not that Charles did not spend 24/7 holding Diana's hands, he made it clear that Diana was second fiddle to Camilla beginning on the honeymoon. Diana was expected to put up and shut up. I think it sets back the women's movement to blame Diana for the fiasco. Charles was and is too self centered to think how other people might feel. Camilla had her own agenda and knew how to push the right buttons and even gave marriage counseling to Charles. Diana was not a saint but she did not deserve the treatment she got from Charles and his mistress. And the woman died at age 36 so I don't get all the judgements. As I said many times if Charles had a design for marriage he should have spelled it out to his prospective bride.

I have zero respect for Charles and Camilla. IMO they are not the least bit sorry and it suits their purposes for people to blame Diana. C and C were always in the driver's seat. Charles got his heirs, and got to marry the other woman.

KF and Ana Bolena, Diana did not "break up" other marriages. The Hoares are still together and she did not "break up" the Carlings. Julia did not use Diana as co-respondent. Camilla OTOH succeeded in busting up two marriages no matter how it is sliced. And Charles not manning up and dumping her doomed his marriage to Diana. How was Diana supposed to react to this?

"Sandy, IMO which can be backed up by professionals, no good, strong and happy marriage can be broken up by another party. " AB, nobody can make blanket statements like that. There have been couples married for years and years , the wife is devoted to the husband and he always comes home to her. But then he has a middle age crisis and dumps her for another woman. The wife put her all into the marriage and finds herself the dumpee--she was a good wife to her husband and saying another woman can't break them up is just not true.. I don't think it is true that a strong and happy marriage cannot be broken up. Diana did not have a chance with clinging Camilla, she had no intention of giving up the Prince of Wales. He was too immature to work on his marriage with his wife. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.

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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2015, 02:38:22 pm
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Quote from: AnaBolena on March 27, 2015, 03:45:27 am
^ I hear you about the children. No way could I have ever turned my life into a man circus introducing my children to all different men if what happened to Di happened to me. I was burnt too but in a different way; took time out to work on me away from any male relationships - and I was younger than Di was. Only later did I marry. When so allegedly hurt the last thing women usually want is a man!!

I don't get the feeling Di was ever led on - I think, and this is only IMO, that she was the leader. Her nature was strong and she went after what she wanted. She adored male attention, but for all the wrong reasons, and many a time it didn't seem to matter who it was from right down to courting the press men.

IMO 30 is well and truly grown up. I feel sad she died so young before she could see in no relationship should everything go all one way, and no way can even a hard working man in the normal world cater to a needy wife. To be honest, it would turn many off.

If there had been no Dodi, I bet she'd still be alive.

No bringing up C and C for me - the statute of limitations on using them as an excuse IMO is sadly pathetic.

That's Kismet. IF there were no trip to Dallas, JFK would be alive.

Or if Lincoln did not go to the theatre, he'd have lived longer

And not to mention those 150 passengers who got on that plane the other day.

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Post by: AnaBolena on March 27, 2015, 07:20:37 pm
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news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960313&id=k58VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1goEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6570,2075253&hl=en

That IMO says it all.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 08:15:03 pm
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Quote from: sandy on March 27, 2015, 01:38:54 pm
Charles already had the "easy going" woman around. He never lost her. I don't get the bile towards Diana. It was not that Charles did not spend 24/7 holding Diana's hands, he made it clear that Diana was second fiddle to Camilla beginning on the honeymoon. Diana was expected to put up and shut up. I think it sets back the women's movement to blame Diana for the fiasco. Charles was and is too self centered to think how other people might feel. Camilla had her own agenda and knew how to push the right buttons and even gave marriage counseling to Charles. Diana was not a saint but she did not deserve the treatment she got from Charles and his mistress. And the woman died at age 36 so I don't get all the judgements. As I said many times if Charles had a design for marriage he should have spelled it out to his prospective bride.

I have zero respect for Charles and Camilla. IMO they are not the least bit sorry and it suits their purposes for people to blame Diana. C and C were always in the driver's seat. Charles got his heirs, and got to marry the other woman.

KF and Ana Bolena, Diana did not "break up" other marriages. The Hoares are still together and she did not "break up" the Carlings. Julia did not use Diana as co-respondent. Camilla OTOH succeeded in busting up two marriages no matter how it is sliced. And Charles not manning up and dumping her doomed his marriage to Diana. How was Diana supposed to react to this?

I'm just through with holding Diana up as some saint.

She messed around with two married men and yes, Julia did not name Diana, but thing is, Diana was messing with him. Diana wasn't left in poverty with no resources and two kids to support. She had it better than almost any woman on the planet. After the divorce, she had plenty of resources to lead a straight life. She chose otherwise. As a woman who lost a husband's attention to another man, she had no business doing the same to someone else. At age 36 she was in control of her own life/destiny and she had more than enough to use to find other wealthy, single men.

Charles and Camilla were not in the driver's seat when Diana chose Dodi, or chose Carling, or Hoare. Diana was and Diana was the adult.

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Post by: CathyJane on March 27, 2015, 09:04:12 pm
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Quote from: Jane23 on March 26, 2015, 08:53:42 am
^ Huh it was a wedding present for Chuck we don't know what she gave Di anyways ... when a relationship doesn't work it's both parties fault no one was "the monster" in the "melodrama" it was just a marriage that should have never happened ...

I can't imagine Cammie gave Diana anything but grief and pain.

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Post by: sandy on March 28, 2015, 12:25:26 am
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 08:15:03 pm
Quote from: sandy on March 27, 2015, 01:38:54 pm
Charles already had the "easy going" woman around. He never lost her. I don't get the bile towards Diana. It was not that Charles did not spend 24/7 holding Diana's hands, he made it clear that Diana was second fiddle to Camilla beginning on the honeymoon. Diana was expected to put up and shut up. I think it sets back the women's movement to blame Diana for the fiasco. Charles was and is too self centered to think how other people might feel. Camilla had her own agenda and knew how to push the right buttons and even gave marriage counseling to Charles. Diana was not a saint but she did not deserve the treatment she got from Charles and his mistress. And the woman died at age 36 so I don't get all the judgements. As I said many times if Charles had a design for marriage he should have spelled it out to his prospective bride.

I have zero respect for Charles and Camilla. IMO they are not the least bit sorry and it suits their purposes for people to blame Diana. C and C were always in the driver's seat. Charles got his heirs, and got to marry the other woman.

KF and Ana Bolena, Diana did not "break up" other marriages. The Hoares are still together and she did not "break up" the Carlings. Julia did not use Diana as co-respondent. Camilla OTOH succeeded in busting up two marriages no matter how it is sliced. And Charles not manning up and dumping her doomed his marriage to Diana. How was Diana supposed to react to this?

I'm just through with holding Diana up as some saint.

She messed around with two married men and yes, Julia did not name Diana, but thing is, Diana was messing with him. Diana wasn't left in poverty with no resources and two kids to support. She had it better than almost any woman on the planet. After the divorce, she had plenty of resources to lead a straight life. She chose otherwise. As a woman who lost a husband's attention to another man, she had no business doing the same to someone else. At age 36 she was in control of her own life/destiny and she had more than enough to use to find other wealthy, single men.

Charles and Camilla were not in the driver's seat when Diana chose Dodi, or chose Carling, or Hoare. Diana was and Diana was the adult.

Nobody said Diana was a saint.

OK so how come the "married men" did not "mess" with her. Why is it always the woman who is blamed? Did not Dodi "choose" Diana or should I say his father encouraged Dodi to pursue Diana? Supposedly Carling came whining to Diana about his wife not "understanding him." Hoare had a long time mistress. Hoare and his wife are still together so I emphasize again that Diana did not "break up" their marriage. Camilla did break up the marriage or was a huge factor in the marital issues. And Charles attachment to Camilla gave him less incentive to work on his marriage to Diana. He knew Camilla was "there" for him. Camilla was in the marriage from the get go. OTOH, Diana turned to Hewitt after Charles dumped her. It is apples and oranges.

What is a "straight" life? Diana was not on drugs, did not drink, did not run around falling out of night clubs and so on. Diana after her separation and divorce dated two men who were not married. Dating a doctor and a renowned doctor is nothing to sneeze at. Hasnet was not a "bum." Dodi and Diana dated and Dodi had broken off (at the behest of his father) with Kelly Fisher. Diana did much in her last year--she sold her gowns for charity and called attention to anti Landmine campaign. She was admired by Nelson Mandela and Mother Theresa nothing to sneeze at. She died at a young age so her full story could not be told. KF you leave out Hasnet and he and Diana broke up because of cultural differences primarily.

I have news Camilla always had Charles' attention and he admitted to his biographer he preferred her to Diana when he married for the first time. That in effect would doom any marriage. Charles was always unfaithful emotionally and later physically to Diana. He felt himself entitled to mistresses.

Diana always could live comfortably. So did you want her to live like a nun and not even date for the rest of her life? She was not necessarily going to rush off to Reno with Dodi. She wanted a real marriage something she never had with Charles.

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Post by: CathyJane on March 28, 2015, 02:12:43 am
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I think Diana was trying to make up for lost time, jumping into relationships so fast. She was a very young 19 when she got engaged. No, Diana was no saint and probably everybody realizes that, but I believe her husband cheated on her from the very beginning; in this I blame Cammie more than I do Chuck because I think of him as being very weak willed and he does have mommy issues and Cams knew just how to manipulate him. But if Chuck had been a man and told Cammie to take a hike, maybe the marriage would ahve stood a chance.

Those married men could have easily turned Diana down, they were married after all. I don't believe Diana broke up any marriages- if I remember right the Hoares are still together and the Carlings were having trouble before Will met Diana. I may be wrong, but that's what I remember reading.

Cammie and Chucky, however did break up two families and messed up four kids. I guess Diana should have done what Andrew P-B did, just roll over and take it.

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Post by: Rosella on March 28, 2015, 03:45:52 am
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Quote from: CathyJane on March 28, 2015, 02:12:43 am
I think Diana was trying to make up for lost time, jumping into relationships so fast. She was a very young 19 when she got engaged. No, Diana was no saint and probably everybody realizes that, but I believe her husband cheated on her from the very beginning; in this I blame Cammie more than I do Chuck because I think of him as being very weak willed and he does have mommy issues and Cams knew just how to manipulate him. But if Chuck had been a man and told Cammie to take a hike, maybe the marriage would ahve stood a chance.

Those married men could have easily turned Diana down, they were married after all. I don't believe Diana broke up any marriages- if I remember right the Hoares are still together and the Carlings were having trouble before Will met Diana. I may be wrong, but that's what I remember reading.

Cammie and Chucky, however did break up two families and messed up four kids. I guess Diana should have done what Andrew P-B did, just roll over and take it.

I don't think APB was rolling over and taking anything, actually. He had his his own little interests. Both Parker Bowles were being unfaithful to each other. I just think it was that aristocratic thing of keep it discreet and don't embarrass me by bringing things out in public. IMO Andrew didn't really care about C&C until it was outed by Charles blurting it out to Dimbleby. He then had to act because there were jokes about Ernest Simpson Mark 2 going about.

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Post by: Jane23 on March 28, 2015, 07:45:21 am
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Di slept around with married men , cheated , lied, mnipulated , was unstable and the list goes on ... who can blame Chuck for preferring another woman had he been a random dude he would have gotten divorced as soon as Harry was born but he couldn't ...

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Post by: sandy on March 28, 2015, 12:29:16 pm
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Jane it was not the school prom. If Diana were as flawed as you think she is, why would he marry her? Charles always preferred Camilla but wanted to have his heirs with the suitable wife. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. I think Charles was the flawed one. And do you think this man honest? Really? And Camilla was not manipulative? She did not get where she is today by being nice. A good woman would have cut all ties and sent him back to his wife. Camilla was in the marriage from the get go. Diana was expected to put up and shut up. And he already ditched Diana after Harry was born, she was left with a sham of a marriage while he was with his mistress. Diana did not "Sleep Around." She was not unstable. She got into a bad situation and she died young. what's wrong with showing some compassion instead of making such comments about her? Her sons loved her very much and cherish her memory. The Charles people get all upset when there is criticism but honestly Jane, I never saw such unfair charges against Diana down to "sleeping around." So you are saying she had random sex every night? Really Jane? And I notice you have to do a topper to the "unstable" charges adding "very " to it.

I agree with CathyJane. Diana broke up no marriages. The Hoares are together. Carling said there was no affair. Camilla broke up two homes.

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Post by: YooperModerator on March 28, 2015, 01:23:11 pm
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I'm seeing this everywhere so: Is it so impossible to simply type in "imo" or "I think"? I didn't think it would be but I keep at everybody to PLEASE state posts in such a way that they are not provoking or statements of fact instead of a personal point of view (in lieu of an actual FACT) and yet I see no improvement or at least very little. It doesn't help in the flow of discussion at all.

In addition, I don't like the way these last two posts are going. Keep it civil. There are two things that help here: 1. Calm down before posting if you can and, 2. When in doubt, ignore the post and poster completely and let a Mod handle it. Therefore,

^^Jane23, I see improvement in your posts but then you slide right into your proclamations again. Next time a ban is permanent and I wouldn't like to have to do that. Keep your posts as personal opinions and clearly stated. Thank you. YM

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Post by: AnaBolena on March 28, 2015, 04:33:37 pm
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YM would it be ok if some of us discussed things like this in the private section? IMO some only support the dead and never see the suffering of other women, therefore it might keep peace if private. Just an idea IMHO. :flower:

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Post by: YooperModerator on March 29, 2015, 01:22:05 am
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^Absolutely, AB. That's what it's there for. But, again, civility rules the day. It does, however, allow for more leniency so go for it! Thank you for a good idea. YM

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Post by: Emperor on May 23, 2015, 12:37:10 am
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PD has been dead for 18 years. How does she get on this list?

“Heroes” and “Villains” of World History across Cultures
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115641#sec007

PD at rank 11

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Post by: sandy on May 23, 2015, 12:45:20 am
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Well actually others on the list died many many years ago. But why is someone taking the trouble to compile such a list?

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Post by: Emperor on May 23, 2015, 12:57:26 am
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What I'm saying is that, unlike say Lincoln, she didn't free the slaves or anything that dramatic.
Also i find it odd no other member of the BRF is on that list .

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Post by: gingerboy24 on June 12, 2015, 10:16:34 pm
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Found this, not sure what I think about it. Sitting on the fence about this. Anything is possible, and this could be possible, but I am 50/50 either way here. Will never find out the truth, so no point in trying to get my head around it. All I will say is she looks like Diana, has her mannerisms and facial expressions, the same eyes and eye movements. Other than that I can´t think any further. I don´t think there is anything to discuss as such, but it is out there on the internet. Very weird.

www.princess-diana-remembered.com/diana-news-blog/did-princess-diana-attend-william-kates-wedding

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Post by: sandy on June 13, 2015, 12:40:56 am
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I don't see any resemblance. Different eyes. The way I see it and based on her great devotion to her children: Diana would not hide

out and let Camilla sit in the mother of the groom place. No way.

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Post by: CathyJane on June 13, 2015, 04:18:53 am
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I agree. Willy and Harry were Diana's life, imo. No way would she have hidden away.

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Post by: Ariel on June 22, 2015, 08:05:39 pm
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who should be on the $10 dollar bill? Princess Diana

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytAaOyE7vo
love John Oliver

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Post by: One of the Peasants on July 08, 2015, 01:33:36 am
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Ever so often I like to read the Blind Items and I found a reveal that nearly knocked me off my chair. It is kind of long but holy guacamole. What says you guys?

www.crazydaysandnights.net/2015/07/blind-items-revealed-30-3.html (http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2015/07/blind-items-revealed-30-3.html)

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Post by: CathyJane on July 08, 2015, 03:05:22 am
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I can't see it.

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Post by: kolkomilko on July 09, 2015, 08:42:51 am
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Someone shoud remember this dress and hat from the past (if photoshopped).

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Post by: gingerboy24 on July 09, 2015, 09:51:50 am
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Penultimate paragraph very interesting, and tells us a lot about how a certain Duchesses sister finances her lifestyle if the story is correct. Bit confused as to why the article is in the Princess Diana thread though, so maybe I have missed something along the way?

Can I ask what dress and hat is mentioned above, I could not see it in the article. Not my morning - must have had one over the 8 last night lol lol

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Post by: gingerboy24 on July 09, 2015, 10:01:52 am
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Oops, just read it again and read the comments, which I missed before. Not sure I believe it about PD, but could well believe it about a certain Duchesses sister.

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Post by: kolkomilko on July 10, 2015, 07:32:29 am
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^^ Its isn't in the article, it can be seen (video, photo), perhaps photoshopped.

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Post by: Alexandrine on July 12, 2015, 06:22:40 pm
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I don't believe CDAN at all, they've been found out on lies many times...

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Post by: AnaBolena on July 17, 2015, 04:39:49 pm
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No. Just no. I know PD was no saint but from what I've come to know this at least was not her. Period.

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Post by: One of the Peasants on July 18, 2015, 01:29:28 am
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^
I seriously hope not, I only posted this article because of how shocked I was. Over he years there have been some thunder boomers of revelations, I do not believe all of those, but, egads. I hope not. :ick: :ick: :ick:

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Post by: KGap on July 18, 2015, 02:13:38 am
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Diana loved and hated the press attention in equal measure. She never would've let the boys run as wild as they did without her guidance. Or let bill marry waity. Charles' pr guy would've had a nightmare on his hands had he tried to use the boys in his love queen camilla campaign.

I still can't believe it's been eighteen years without her lovely, charismatic presence in the world.

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Post by: dianab on July 22, 2015, 07:20:38 am
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Quote from: Alexandrine on July 12, 2015, 06:22:40 pm
I don't believe CDAN at all, they've been found out on lies many times...
do you know another reliable blind items site(s)? That one is the only I heard about.

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Post by: Alexandrine on July 22, 2015, 08:28:37 am
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^ lainey sometimes has good blinds that are quite credible but its not the main content.

www.laineygossip.com/

There were a couple about Affleck that totally happened.

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Post by: Miss Hathaway on July 30, 2015, 04:14:50 am
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Today was the 34th anniversary of the Wedding of the Century. The whole stopped to watch it. It was truly a once in a lifetime event.

:loveshower:

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Post by: Rosella on July 30, 2015, 04:56:05 am
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^^ Yes, it was a momentous event. People talked about it for days afterwards, not just in the media. I wonder whether Charles will remember the occasion today.

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Post by: Miss Hathaway on July 30, 2015, 04:43:16 pm
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I'm sure he did. I'd think all the royals who were living at the time remember, as it was an unprecedented event. They loved the attention they got from it. It was unbelieveable PR for them.

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Post by: sandy on July 31, 2015, 02:29:30 am
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He probably does something extra special for wife no. 2 IMO anyway. Just to show they have all moved on. IMO.

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Post by: Cali San D on August 11, 2015, 04:36:54 am
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Never-before-seen photos of Diana's reception up for auction

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11794996/Candid-never-before-seen-photos-of-Prince-Charles-and-Dianas-reception-up-for-auction.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Go here if the link does not work above
twitter.com/britishroyals

The owner of these photos should have tried to sell them to William or Harry. Even Prince Charles could buy them as a gift to both his sons. Maybe Carole will bid :laugh:

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Post by: Fly on the wall on August 15, 2015, 03:53:19 am
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Diana in a crash? They must have greased the brakes': New book reveals the Queen's astonishing words that lay bare her troubled relationship with the woman her son called 'mad, mad, mad'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198763/Diana-crash-greased-brakes-said-Queen.html

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Post by: Rosella on August 15, 2015, 05:51:40 am
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^^ Ingrid Seward, never a friend to Diana once the royal marriage was over, is at it again I see, rehashing the same old tripe! No, the Queen and Diana probably weren't very close, very different personalities and interests. However, the Queen and PP did stick up for her as much as they could during the marriage breakdown IMO .

As for the 'greased brakes' remark, I remember years ago a courtier made an off-the-cuff remark about the shock with which the news of Diana's death was received among the royals.'They were all running around like headless chickens' he remembered. It was probably the Queen musing aloud during that period of shock that this comment comes from.

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Post by: kolkomilko on August 15, 2015, 07:48:30 am
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Poor Diana, how many books and articles will be publish from "friends", acquaintances and people from her past? It seems there is no end to it. :stop:

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Post by: leogirl on August 15, 2015, 11:06:36 am
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They're not her friends and it was 18 years ago this month. Time to move on.

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Post by: marion on August 15, 2015, 11:25:49 am
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Not everyone wants to trash Diana's memory

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3198877/Enchanting-secret-Diana-s-cuddle-cutie.html

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Post by: sandy on August 16, 2015, 01:04:47 am
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Check out this very telling picture of Ingrid giggling with Camilla.

Ingrid no doubt is hoping for honors from C and C when Charles takes over.

ingridseward.com/

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Post by: marion on August 16, 2015, 06:19:42 am
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She looks as though she's about to take a bite out of Camilla

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Post by: Val on August 16, 2015, 08:21:28 am
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Ingrid Stewart is such a sycophant. Whenever she and other Royal female reporters are talking about the RF on TV they all have the same dumb expression on their faces and for some bizarre reason all have their heads on the side.

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Post by: marion on August 16, 2015, 09:54:53 am
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^In adoration ?? !!!!

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Post by: FortressODaveBarry on August 31, 2015, 02:37:07 am
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Princess Diana's grave 18 years on is coated in greenery as estate lets site 'go back to nature'
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-grave-18-years-6351264

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Post by: Val on August 31, 2015, 08:57:14 am
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One of the comments on the article says it all -

'What they really mean is that they can't be bothered to keep it tidy. What disgrace, and what an appalling way to treat the resting place of one of the most loved members of royalty this country has ever had.'

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Post by: gingerboy24 on August 31, 2015, 09:28:59 am
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It makes me believe, even more than I already do, that Princess Diana is not at Althorpe, but was quietly put to rest at the local church at Great Brington. Maybe one day the truth will out, but I, and many others, do not believe Diana is at Althorpe. However, they could at least keep up the pretence and keep her alleged "grave" neat and tidy. Natural etc is one thing, downright neglected and scruffy is another, and that "burial" site desperately needs attention.

So, where is bill medd in all this. Still using the Diana card, still allegedly deeply affected by her death, but surely, if he visits Althorpe as we are told he does, that he would have noticed the neglect and scruffiness and spoken to his uncle about it. Makes me wonder if he even does ever visit Althorpe. Or if he does go up there it is to the church at Great Brington.

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Post by: Rosella on August 31, 2015, 10:42:14 am
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^ I think a burial certificate was issued by the Bishop because of all the rumours about Diana not being buried on the island. Nevertheless, I don't believe that Diana is buried there either. I believe she's in the vaults of the local church with her father and all the other Spencers, including her grandmother Cynthia, whom Diana thought of as her guardian angel.

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Post by: kolkomilko on September 01, 2015, 07:17:02 am
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In my opinion her "burial" site must be in a private place but the family named Althorpe for it.

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Post by: gingerboy24 on September 01, 2015, 10:04:59 am
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I think she is with her family in the local church. Did read it was all done quietly when the fuss died down and in the middle of the night. Wise move if that is true, they did not want hordes of people tramping all over the church. Now that time has calmed things down a bit I doubt it would matter if we knew she was "buried" at the church, but then I suppose you do get the crazy sugars who would be arranging coach loads of people for a day trip. For a start, as I have read in many articles, the earth around that lake is far too wet to a burial. We will probably never know in my lifetime, but I would put money on her being at the local church with her own blood family.

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Post by: kolkomilko on September 01, 2015, 10:20:24 am
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^ Yes, I do think it likely, too.

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Post by: sandy on September 01, 2015, 07:06:53 pm
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Even if she was moved to a crypt. It is weird that none of her next of kin is hiring someone to keep the gravesite looked after.

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Post by: kolkomilko on September 03, 2015, 07:13:12 am
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It is a very sad thing. None of them cares, neither the Spencer family?

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Post by: gingerboy24 on September 03, 2015, 10:46:05 am
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As horrid as it sounds, it appears to me that once he had to give Diana's things back and close down the exhibition and the tours that made money for him, he ceased to have interest in the lake. No surprise really, forever the opportunist regardless of how it came about. I have never believed she was buried there at the lake, but many still do, which is their prerogative of course. As with many things to do with this lot, if the truth comes out it will not be for many, many a long year.

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Post by: sandy on September 03, 2015, 02:53:25 pm
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So William and Harry are the next of kin. Why don't they lift a finger about it? William is too busy playing "normal."

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Post by: YooperModerator on September 03, 2015, 03:20:40 pm
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^That I have never understood. But, to leave her supposed burial site in disrepair is beyond appalling. What a disgrace. :thumbsdown:

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Post by: kolkomilko on September 04, 2015, 07:19:49 am
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I read about Diana's foundation called Halo Trust. Angelina Jolie resigned from this foundation because of financial abuses among management members. Just tell me if it is true or not. The source is not known.

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Post by: Rosella on September 04, 2015, 10:37:40 am
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An article about Halo Trust and Angelina Jolie. I would say Jolie was uncomfortable about the pay-outs.

www.ibtimes.com/angelina-jolies-departure-has-nothing-do-payments-says-spokesperson-charity-group-2080991

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Post by: kolkomilko on September 04, 2015, 11:51:31 am
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^ Yes, that's it. Your drafting is better, thank you. :thankyou:

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Post by: CathyJane on September 06, 2015, 03:08:36 am
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Quote from: YooperModerator on September 03, 2015, 03:20:40 pm
^That I have never understood. But, to leave her supposed burial site in disrepair is beyond appalling. What a disgrace. :thumbsdown:

That's why I think she's buried with the rest of the Spencers.

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Post by: Alexandrine on September 23, 2015, 07:09:22 pm
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^I read this theory here a long time ago and I believe it too.

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Post by: Fly on the wall on October 08, 2015, 10:02:52 pm
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17 Things You Didn't Know About Princess Diana

1 She was homeschooled until age 9.

At the time, it was common for upper-class children to be taught at home by a tutor. After her parents' divorce, Diana attended Riddlesworth Hall in Norfolk, where her family resided. At 12, she was sent to an exclusive boarding school, the West Heath School.
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/news/g1593/princess-diana-facts/?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1454_251390596

I'm sure a lot of people already knew all of these,and could find a better 17

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Post by: kolkomilko on October 12, 2015, 09:00:59 am
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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3268160/Sales-Princess-Diana-memorabilia-reach-disturbing-new-low-lock-late-royal-s-hair-sale-ebay.html

If it is true or not, Willy should give voice to it loudly as he protests against the papps' photos.

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Post by: Fly on the wall on October 19, 2015, 03:04:47 pm
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Prince Harry and Prince William Demand Queen Elizabeth Reinstate Princess Diana’s ‘Her Royal Highness’ Title – Queen Furious
www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2015/prince-harry-prince-william-demand-queen-elizabeth-reinstate-princess-dianas-her-royal-highness-title-queen-furious/

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Post by: india on October 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
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It was very petty and small minded of HM to strip the HRH from Diana. I expect she rues the day she did that now.

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Post by: sandy on October 19, 2015, 05:50:37 pm
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The Queen rewards the mistress yet takes the title away from the mother of the heir to the heir. Go figure.

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Post by: CathyJane on October 19, 2015, 08:35:25 pm
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That was a stupid move on Liz's part. She was probably still ticked that Diana was more popular and more loved than any other member of the Firm and wanted to punish her.

As for Liz consenting to the 'marriage' of Upchuck and Cams, I wonder what sort of threats Upchuck used.

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Post by: YooperModerator on October 19, 2015, 10:55:46 pm
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^ and others, I agree. That move on HM's part really made no sense to me. I understand it from a technical standpoint but Diana was way out of that league and worked her butt off for that family and for many truly worthy causes and Elizabeth has rewarded people who have done far less or worse.

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Post by: leogirl on October 19, 2015, 11:39:56 pm
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I think HM simply didn't know what to do. Divorce wasn't done, especially not a royal divorce and especially not the heir to the throne getting divorced. Marriage was supposed to be permanent, but since it didn't work out... did she get to keep her title (Princess of Wales)? her style (HRH)? She wasn't royal before the wedding so if they are getting "un-married" wouldn't that mean she'd lose the title and style she got on her wedding day? So much confusion.

I am no fan of C&C, but I am not really upset at HM over this one.

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Post by: sandy on October 20, 2015, 01:01:28 am
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Quote from: CathyJane on October 19, 2015, 08:35:25 pm
That was a stupid move on Liz's part. She was probably still ticked that Diana was more popular and more loved than any other member of the Firm and wanted to punish her.

As for Liz consenting to the 'marriage' of Upchuck and Cams, I wonder what sort of threats Upchuck used.

I think it was a guilt trip that Charles used on his mother. He had a catalog of grievances that were included in his authorized biography. The Queen no matter what Charles told his biographer indulged him even to the point of giving her approval to the C and C wedding.

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Post by: D.I.R. on October 27, 2015, 10:26:20 am
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Humans? or Just Dolls… Noel Cruz’s Makeover- A Must See Work of Art!!!
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Lady Diana is on pg.2
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Post by: sandy on October 27, 2015, 03:22:06 pm
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Not bad. But something off about the face.

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Post by: leogirl on October 27, 2015, 11:45:15 pm
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They did a good job with the hair. But I think the darker colors made her features (eyes, nose, mouth) look too small.

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Post by: YooperModerator on October 27, 2015, 11:52:39 pm
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There's no duplicating Diana.

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Post by: Emperor on October 28, 2015, 01:04:25 pm
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^ :thumbsup: :worship:

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Post by: Freya on October 28, 2015, 05:53:33 pm
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^^^^
In the image of the artist working on a model of Diana she is wearing the cutaway white lace dress. This has to be one of my favourites. It fits so perfectly. I don't think that the blue suit was in such heavy material though.

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/05/article-2412710-1BA48677000005DC-72_306x781.jpg

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Post by: CathyJane on October 28, 2015, 08:

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The white lace is one of my favorite too. Diana could pull off a lace dress while a certain duchass can't. 8)

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: india on October 29, 2015, 03:14:42 am
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Diana was the epitome of style and grace. No one can touch her.

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Post by: kolkomilko on October 29, 2015, 02:03:47 pm
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^ Yes, she had an individual personality.

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Post by: Alexandrine on November 14, 2015, 04:10:38 pm
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From Diana's cheeky Crown jewel headband to Kate's Baywatch moment: As Charles and Camilla touch down - rare photos of the royals' fashion hits and misses on their tours of Australia

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3309563/From-Diana-s-cheeky-Crown-jewel-headband-Kate-s-Baywatch-moment-fashion-hits-royal-tours-Australia-Queen-s-secret-style-rules-broken.html#ixzz3rTzm86Rm
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Post by: YooperModerator on November 14, 2015, 04:19:41 pm
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^That was a fun trip. HM was/is quite the beauty, wasn't she? :thankyou:

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Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2015, 02:32:18 am
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HM was beautiful, but she never appreciated it and I dislike how HM supposedly looks down on fashion and despite it, isn't wearing thrift.

You know, if Diana had been married to any other man, like an Arab prince or even European royals, she would have been given a baby each year and would have had a high profile life, paving the way for other Arab women, like Queen Rania of Jordan does.

Any politician would have DIED to have her as a wife and stylish mother and yet, Charles never appreciated it. her adoration of fashion was great, since she was supposed to be presentable, but she went further and ran with it. She made a huge effort in her role and it was thrown back in her face.

She should have been handed the HRH for the sake of being able to keep her under some kind of control/protection and HM would have been able to keeping her on some kind of leash to prevent her from being run over by the public/press and keep her away from the users who surrounded her after the divorce.

Right now if she were alive, she would have had lovers, but the HRH would have kept her in check and she would have been alive to guide her sons around the manipulating users and would have likely whipped Harry for the drug antics and Nazi stunt. She would have had a good life.

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Post by: Mandosiel on November 15, 2015, 02:48:55 am
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Wasn't William said to goad Harry into wearing the Nazi uniform, why hold something against Harry alone that William is also responsible for. Granted he should have known better by then, but at that age most guys are known for their poor choices. Better question would be why would William goad Harry into wearing that, supposedly being older and more responsible brother and doubtlessly knowing the backlash it would create for Harry, unless that's what he was hoping for, even if subconsciously.

As for Diana, I very much doubt a HRH would have held her in check for very long. We are all subject to the effects of our actions, she died because she made a series of bad judgement calls, same as we all do. Even if she did have the HRH I think she would've still ended up dead, it seems one of those fated things. She had a bad habit of running away from paparazzi, even if her driver hadn't been drunk who's to say she wouldn't have driven out into traffic and been plowed into by a truck? Happens all the time.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2015, 03:46:01 am
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She ran around the globe because British society, led by Charles and likely HM, cut her out of the society that she was born into and she had to figure out where she would be able to belong and settle. She was being undermined in her efforts to find a niche role that would have required her to stay in check. She was making bad choices and I fully agree there, but she was unable to have a place where she could fit in and have a real home. KP was home, but it wasn't a place where she could really unwind and get on and build a new life. Her brother refused to have her as well. Her major mistake was in the area of relationships and I often wonder if whether or not the HRH would have ended up preventing her from doing a lot of foolish things.

I don't like however that she messed with a number of attached men. That was her first major fault. Even with Dodi, he was attached to the model Kelly Fischer who sacrificed her career at Dodi's request. Dodi was two timing Kelly with Diana, then moved on to Diana officially.

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Post by: sandy on November 16, 2015, 12:52:23 am
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Dodi was dominated by his father who more or less ordered Dodi to stop seeing Kelly. Kelly and her lawyer went after the Fayeds not Diana.

DIana did not break up any homes. The Hoares are still together. Carling denied there was any affair. Dodi was not attached when he started dating Diana. HIs dad saw to that. OTOH Camilla succeeded in breaking up a home. And she hit the jackpot!

I think Diana would have eventually settled down and I don't think she was "promiscuous" she wanted love and a family and a real marriage which she did not have with Charles.

I think Diana would not have just watched and see William avoid work and duties and be the "good prince" to Harry's "bad prince." I read that he was there when Harry picked out the Nazi outfit. Though WIlliam was starting to act "precious" while Diana was still alive. So it was starting even back then...

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Post by: Freya on November 16, 2015, 08:46:33 am
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^
I agree with you post Sandy. Fayed wanted to get back at the establishment and Diana was a pawn in the game. Diana was badly used by a number of people. It's no wonder that she acted a bit random at times.

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Post by: CathyJane on November 16, 2015, 09:52:19 pm
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Diana never really had a chance to grow. Every man in life treated her badly, except for Dodi and he was acting on orders from daddy. I do think he was just a revenge fling, but a fling none the less. Diana wouldn't have been able to stand it Daddy Al Fayed hovering, he was as manipulative as they come.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Emperor on November 20, 2015, 04:43:

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^ How did Dr Khan treat her badly?
:dontknow: :dontknow:

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Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2015, 12:05:10 pm
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Dr. Khan was the best to her, I wonder why they broke up. I read it's because she wasn't Pakistani and part of his tribe, (Pathan) and he was reaching a point where he was expected to marry and settle down via arranged marriage.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: sandy on November 20, 2015, 02:53:22 pm
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He still has not settled down and is divorced, ironically. Diana was annoyed that he did not want to go public with her and I think she felt there was no future since he apparently did not want to settle down.

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Post by: Mandosiel on November 20, 2015, 03:41:28 pm
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I read it was tha he was/is a very private man and didn't want the media attention being married to him would bring. I read somewhere he now regrets his choice, but that's life I guess, the things we see in hindsight.

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Post by: kolkomilko on January 10, 2016, 09:52:57 am
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I don't know anything about it, so is it true? Any news about it?

www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2015/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-push-for-answers-on-princess-dianas-death-and-alleged-pregnancy/

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Post by: FortressODaveBarry on January 11, 2016, 03:13:56 am
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^"which makes Prince William and Kate Middleton miss his mom all the more"

I hope that's just CDL pulling stories out of their butt again, and that Kate isn't really going around saying "I miss Diana" :shy:

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Post by: gingerboy24 on January 27, 2016, 03:26:10 pm
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Pretty girl, I think she has Princess Diana eyes and a certain PD look about her. Elegant and classy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3416016/Princess-Diana-s-niece-Kitty-Spencer-attends-Dior-Paris-fashion-week.html

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Post by: kolkomilko on January 27, 2016, 04:23:53 pm
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^ I haven't seen her before. Really pretty girl.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: FortressODaveBarry on February 25, 2016, 04:50:32 am
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Revisiting Charles and Diana's Incredibly Awkward Engagement Announcement

pictorial.jezebel.com/revisiting-charles-and-dianas-incredibly-awkward-engage-1761057157

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: kolkomilko on July 02, 2016, 04:23:37 pm
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I hope Willy did think of Diana yesterday and was being repented.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: india on July 03, 2016, 10:05:12 pm
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Willy only thinks of himself.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on October 21, 2016, 04:06:16 pm
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BREAKING NEWS: Princess Diana's stepmother Raine Spencer dies at the age of 87 after a short illness
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Raine Spencer, the stepmother of Diana, Princess of Wales, has died today aged 87 after a short illness, her family has said.

Countess Spencer died on Friday morning at her London home, her son William Legge, the Earl of Dartmouth and a Ukip MEP, confirmed.

In a short statement the family said: 'Raine, Countess Spencer, died peacefully at her home in London on 21st October, 2016, after a short illness.'

The socialite met Earl Spencer, Diana's father, when she was a young Conservative councillor where she was known for her enormous bouffant hair, pearls, scarves and grand tones. They married in 1976 and remained together until his death in 1992.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859566/Princess-Diana-s-stepmother-Raine-Spencer-dies-age-87.html#ixzz4NjTRmRPp

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Post by: Tatiana on October 29, 2016, 06:40:41 am
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Let me leave you with a fact . ... When Diana did not have to , she decided to make a difference to this world. She chose to stand up for those who had no voice. No One can take that from her. No One can argue with that fact. Her detractors and those who choose to vilify her will never succeed where she did.

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Post by: kolkomilko on October 29, 2016, 08:09:19 am
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^ :thumbsup:

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Post by: Kuei Fei on December 22, 2016, 11:37:29 am
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‘Harry is constantly in trouble’: Touching letters written by Princess Diana as the young princes grew up and how ‘William can’t stop kissing his brother’ are revealed for the first time
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4058052/Unseen-letters-Princess-Diana-reveal-young-Prince-William-adored-younger-brother-Harry-constantly-trouble.html

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Post by: MoonlitSerenity on December 22, 2016, 05:46:35 pm
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^ I kinda agree with one of the comments on there.
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Elizabeth, Dubai,

minutes ago
These letters shouldn't be sold! They should be given to William and Harry, terrible that such private letters should be made public! I feel so sorry for the boys, is there nothing about their mum that they can actually keep for themselves!!

I'm not gonna lie though I kinda had trouble reading some of them so I gave up. :/

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Post by: Kuei Fei on January 13, 2017, 09:27:10 pm
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I wish with all my heart that Diana had not tried to give the boys a 'normal' upbringing; YES, I know she did a good job with the boys, but she made the horrendous mistake of trying for a normalcy that only deceived them in the end. She should have encouraged her boys to find positive fulfillment in being royal and should have in some way drilled it into them that they're different and that's okay. She should have drilled it into them that their lineage sets them apart and since they have had certain demands placed on them at an early age, it did in fact make them slightly better since they've been far more tested than average kids. IF I were a royal mother, I would instill in them the positives of having a little more expected of them at an early age. I wouldn't put them in a position of endlessly comparing their lives to ordinary kids.

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Post by: sandy on January 14, 2017, 12:08:33 am
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That was not Diana's message. She wanted them to see how the other half lived plus she still wanted them to be aware of their royal heritage with William as future King and Harry supporting him. This is WIlliam's skewing of her message. He ignores his royal heritage to the degree that he barely does appearances and has a workshy wife. He although he plays normal plays it to the extent that Marie Antoinette did when she dressed up as a milkmaid and played "normal." He still grabs all the perks and plays "normal" by putting in pathetically few hours at an ambulance base. Actually it was Diana who brought William on his first walkabout. Diana also encouraged them to learn about charity work and brought William and Harry to places where she helped out homeless and people in hospitals. William mumbled something a few years ago about not remembering this very well. I don't think it got through to him since he concentrated on the "fun" events and has rarely been seen at Centrepoint. Diana also was not around after 1997 so the "Kate years were yet to come." Plus she talked about WIlliam going to a University in the US perhaps for a year. I don't blame Diana in the least because her message is at total odds with her sons, especially William; I think she'd have been horrified to see what is happening with him now. I blame William for his laziness, it's all on him. The only one who could have gotten him to step up was the Queen and she apparently let WIlliam have his way and do what he wanted to do. She was the one who handed William the perks and honors without his giving back. Check out several of the interviews as to how Diana talked about William's royal heritage and how he must be prepared and how Harry would be a support to him, in her idea of her sons' future. WIlliam translated standing in line for a hamburger as "permission" to slack off and seems to have a very selective and convenient memory of what his mother advised him

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Post by: leogirl on January 14, 2017, 01:49:05 am
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Was the QM the one who kept the family in line? She passed in 2002 and I noticed that Charles and Camilla married in 2005. I wonder if Kate would have lasted past university if the QM were still alive.

If Diana were still alive, PW wouldn't have his self-pity/excuses to hide

and complain about the press. He would have had to step up after graduation. Maybe a few years of military service, but he graduated uni in 2005 and is still not a full-time royal, nearly 12 years on.

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Post by: Fly on the wall on March 08, 2017, 04:23:48 am
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Diana's butler Paul Burrell hits out at claims he is planning to cash in on his wedding news by revealing all about a gay ORGY on the Royal Yacht Britannia

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4291710/Paul-Burrell-involved-gay-orgy-Yacht-Britannia.html#ixzz4ahmE86xT
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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 08, 2017, 04:45:29 am
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I really am truly amazed this man is still alive.

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Post by: kolkomilko on March 09, 2017, 07:47:32 am
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^ So am I.

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Post by: Tatiana on March 09, 2017, 08:58:25 pm
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Diana was surrounded by men who ended up back stabbing her ..... her husband, her butler, her former lover, even her own brother.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 10, 2017, 10:58:48 pm
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Paul Burrell is currently letting us in on the state of his psychological health:

Diana's butler Paul Burrell claims the late princess visits him in his dreams: 'She tells me things - it's not scary or flaky, it just happens'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4302922/Ex-butler-Paul-Burrell-said-Diana-visits-dreams.html#ixzz4axzqHFeE

Oh man; oh man oh man oh man.

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Post by: sandy on March 10, 2017, 11:56:07 pm
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I predict another Burrell book is imminent

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 11, 2017, 01:27:53 am
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^ I would read that over Her Royal Heinous the Duchess of Cambridge's Pop Up Book of Facial Expressions.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 11, 2017, 06:14:51 am
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Quote from: Tatiana on March 09, 2017, 08:58:25 pm
Diana was surrounded by men who ended up back stabbing her ..... her husband,
her butler, her former lover, even her own brother.

No wonder she sought out foreigners; she chose the wrong men time and time again and frankly I wonder just how bad her life would have ended up if she had not been in that accident.

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Post by: Val on March 11, 2017, 08:03:34 am
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^

At least the Middletons wouldn't have been in it, she was far too canny to have allowed their infiltration.

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Post by: marion on March 11, 2017, 08:09:00 am
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I hope the RF the the day they got rid of her

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Post by: Tatiana on March 19, 2017, 11:25:56 pm
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Burrell is a smarmy selfish little dandy. He used his wife all those years, the gossip around him and other footmen has been around for years.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2017, 02:50:17 am
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I really regret she drilled this 'normal life' concept into the heads of her sons; she never should have been allowed to get away with that and frankly it was a huge mistake on her part. She wanted them to live a life of duty, but she made the mistake of thinking that they could turn their royal life off and on like a switch. She never should have done that to her boys and should have taught them that normal life isn't all about perfection or having it both ways. It's clear that this mistake was a large part of her legacy.

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 20, 2017, 03:06:40 am
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They waited their turn at McDonald's once and suddenly they're experts at "normal". Charles and Diana messed those kids up.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2017, 03:42:48 am
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^Yes they did and frankly I am glad someone agrees with me that Diana was no holy saint and didn't also imbue with them with a sense of duty. Diana was actually surprised that microwave meals existed and she was once calling up friends and telling them about the excitement of waiting in life for the first time in her life. Diana had no clue about normalcy and had no clue about consequences; stalking a married man among her numerous affairs. She distracted her sons from a straightforward upbringing that wouldn't have mainstreamed them, but it would have protected them from users like the Midds and it's likely that neither would be in half the messes they are now.

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Post by: Tatiana on March 20, 2017, 09:53:26 am
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Kuei, I have no idea where you get your information from. Diana would have queued at school dinners, at shops and at the cinema. Diana never said she was a holy saint. Diana used to clean houses, and was a nanny and could cook. She had a few affairs ... not numerous. As for her sons .... you don't make much sense. Sorry.

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Post by: sandy on March 20, 2017, 07:48:36 pm
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Diana never considered herself a saint. Diana did not "stalk" a married man. Jephson and Wharfe agreed that Hoare did much of the pursuing. Hoare and his wife are still together. There were no "numerous" affairs. Diana was deceased when William met Kate so I disagree with KF that she could have kept them from the Middletons. I think the boys not having two parents was the issue. And his father immediately bringing in Auntie Camilla less than a year after their mother died. But as I've always said, William and Harry are grown ups and have made their own decisions. They have their own definition of "normal" which certainly was not Diana's. Diana wanted them to be aware of their royal heritage. I doubt Diana would have encouraged William to lay low at an ambulance base playing "normal." She wanted him to be a good royal. Diana took William and Harry to homeless shelters and brought William to his first walkabout.

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Post by: sandy on March 20, 2017, 07:50:00 pm
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Quote from: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 20, 2017, 03:06:40 am
They waited their turn at McDonald's once and suddenly they're experts at "normal". Charles and Diana messed those kids up.

Sheridan after a time (and the boys are in t heir thirties), the time is over for Mom and Dad to be blamed. They made their own choices in life.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: Tatiana on March 22, 2017, 04:01:22 am
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Diana loved her sons, Charles loved himself.

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Post by: Rosella on March 22, 2017, 04:18:24 am
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^ I don't think you could say that Prince Charles doesn't love his sons. He's a very self absorbed, self-pitying and difficult character, but I've always felt that he and Harry are close. His main fault as a father was, I think, him regarding the pressure of his work as POW as being more vital than spending a lot of time with his growing sons. Instead he gave the job to Tiggy and then Mark Dyer who played substitute parents as best they could.

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Post by: sandy on March 22, 2017, 05:39:14 pm
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Camilla kept him away from his sons because a large portion of his time was spent on her attempted rehabilitation after their mother died. He put Camilla ahead of the boys always IMO.Camilla saw off Tiggy

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Post by: gingerboy24 on March 22, 2017, 06:10:48 pm
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2017, 03:42:48 am
^Yes they did and frankly I am glad someone agrees with me that Diana was no holy saint and didn't also imbue with them with a sense of duty. Diana was actually surprised that microwave meals existed and she was once calling up friends and telling them about the excitement of waiting in life for the first time in her life. Diana had no clue about normalcy and had no clue about consequences; stalking a married man among her numerous affairs. She distracted her sons from a straightforward upbringing that wouldn't have mainstreamed them, but it would have protected them from users like the Midds and it's likely that neither would be in half the messes they are now.

Totall agree with you.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: deGuernsey on March 22, 2017, 06:17:19 pm
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Quote from: gingerboy24 on March 22, 2017, 06:10:48 pm
Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2017, 03:42:48 am
^Yes they did and frankly I am glad someone agrees with me that Diana was no holy saint and didn't also imbue with them with a sense of duty. Diana was actually surprised that microwave meals existed and she was once calling up friends and telling them about the excitement of waiting in life for the first time in her life. Diana had no clue about normalcy and had no clue about consequences; stalking a married man among her numerous affairs. She distracted her sons from a straightforward upbringing that wouldn't have mainstreamed them, but it would have protected them from users like the Midds and it's likely that neither would be in half the messes they are now.

Totall agree with you.
I do too

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: sandy on March 22, 2017, 07:27:52 pm
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I think Diana had much more of a clue about normalcy than Kate has. Kate waited 10 years for the ring, had part time very sporadic jobs and was supported by her parents. Diana had a window of opportunity to share a flat with roommates and work right up until the engagement (part time jobs). Diana did not "stalk" Hoare, he pursued her. Carling denied an affair. Charles OTOH put his mistress first always. He had the numerous affairs and Camilla was considered mistress material for Charles even before she married Andrew Parker Bowles. Read up on Diana's interviews about her sons' future. She encouraged them to do charity work and did talk about the heritage of William's royal future. William totally skewed Diana's advice so normal equaled being lazy. And being a good parent meant doing little work. Diana was not around when William met Kate so she should not be blamed for William's own lifestyle. William's parents could never be accused of being lazy and workshy. So he is so unlike his parents as far as work ethics, they are world's apart.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 22, 2017, 07:41:39 pm
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It is my belief that Diana did stalk Hoare, and I maintain that belief. I am a great Diana fan, and not blind to her faults and failings, no way. Bill medd has got away with most things because his mother died at a young age, that is his get out of jail card every time. No idea who he takes after, he he is the laziest oik in a long time. Haza better but still cut from the same cloth. I do not blame Diana for bill medd and his ways, most of it is down to him and how lazy, deceitful and petulant he is, and he appears to do nothing to correct it, or even want to.

Diana was no saint, but she was treated very badly by chucky and his mistress, and yes there were three in the marriage, and I most certainly would not like that if it was my marriage, so why should she. If anything the sleeping around in his genetics appears to come from chucky and his grandfather, plus many other of the windsor me. If council cath thinks she will work him out of those ways she can think again. He has always been lazy, and at nearly 35 doubt that is going to change, same applies to council cath.

Diana was not around when, sadly, bill medd met council cath, had she been then it might well have been a whole different story, but on my thinking, and I have always thought this, it is down to the rf that he was motherless, and maybe that is why he appears to hold a grudge against them, who knows.

Too many things we don´t know about what went on behind closed doors. People write books, does that make them correct? Not necessarily. It is all conjecture and assumption, none of us can 100%& say what is correct and what is not. People also interpret things in different ways. Unless we were given access to the whole truth, not one of us knows the real truth about Diana, most of it is what we think it was, not exactly what it was for real.

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Post by: sandy on March 22, 2017, 07:52:41 pm
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If she "Stalked" him it would be if he did not want her around ala Fatal Attraction. He did encourage her and moved out of the home he shared with his wife at some point in his relationship with her. Jephson and Wharfe did write he pursued her (and they were there). The Hoares are still together. I think Diana should have stayed away from him, however. But at least he did not 'kiss and tell' nor ever confirmed or denied an affair. Had Charles ditched the mistress, I doubt Diana would have strayed. It also was not as if Charles had one night stands and strayed that way. Camilla was firmly implanted even before Charles and Diana got engaged.

On the surface though, Charles and Diana had the work ethic genes and did what they were supposed to do as royals and did not shirk. William just does whatever he pleases and for whatever reason, the senior royals tip toe around him.

Maybe he was resentful his father used him to promote his mistress back in 1998. But I do think William likes to take the easy way out, which means avoiding work and also he has some arrogance.

No, nobody knows the "real" Diana because she has been trashed in books by Charles' sympathizers. That may be something else that bothers William. But that does not excuse his bad choices in life. It's all on him.

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Post by: HRHOlya on March 22, 2017, 08:53:55 pm
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In one of the more recent articles in the dm, it was stated that Diana did call Hoare a couple of times, but the actual harasser, who actually called for months on end was a "disgruntled" school mate of Hoare's son.
I could swear it was in this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4205234/Prince-Charless-fairytale-life-new-biography.html) article, I skimmed it over and cannot find it anymore. If I am not wrong and it was in this article, then I suppose it was edited out. Well worth saving articles offline....

Though Charles doesn't come out in the best light in these recent articles, I see that Diana is still painted in such a false light throughout and in some of the anecdotes that make her look bad only half truths are given. I think this is also the reason for "Saint Diana", because of the smear campaign, that everyone and their dog knows about, so people are almost forced to defend her to a fault. That's how I feel when I read this dross about her.

And I agree Sandy, the "normal" thing has been played to death. She wanted to show her sons how fortunate they are and the other side that exists in this world, not for them to play "Bill the Plumber" and "Hazza the ArmyPartyMan". Not to get into a Bill & Harry discussion, but I think the worst things the family did, where it went all wrong was 1. they coddled them after her death (esp Bill); a lack of discipline 2. Chuck was partly absent and tended to Camz instead of his sons and 3. the throwing the sons under the bus, either for own gain (Camz again) or for each other's gain/ detriment.

Diana was human as is always emphasised by her fans, yes, but much of her "irrational" behaviour stems from what she said in interviews, and what I have concluded for myself after all that's been written and said about the Walses & Camz: she may have had post partum depression (I think she admitted to this, and from this came the "irrational Di" thing), and then afterwards I think she didn't know anymore after a point how to get rid of the other woman and get her husband back, so I assume she resumed to drastic measures at times. Also because everyone in that set expected her to turn a blind eye, which she did not, and thus his friends labelling her "crazy" and "unstable". And many other things claimed have been disputed, but are still claimed to be true, stuff she lied herself about, like throwing herself down the stairs or all that selfharm she said she did, but I think to have read that she lied about that, and that I can believe. I doubt she went through the selfharm she said she did.

I think most of us would have gone kaputt in that family like Diana did: an uncaring husband, an ever present mistress who plays hostess & wife when you're not around, a husband who puts you second or even fifth after all else he cares about (incl said mistress) more than you, a MIL you initially get along with, but who won't help you and put a stop to her son's extra marital escapades, a granny in law who kind of arranged for you to marry in but only cares about her grandson, coldness, a set of friends of your husband who have a campaign going against you, tptb et al running around round the clock and dictating your life, being put to work instantly with a wide array of engagements and huge crowds for you to navigate, whilst you "shake like a leaf" (Di described by someone at one of her early engagments, the Xmas light thingy), a general lack of support from all sides, esp in the personal life department.

All this and a bit more are the reasons why I too am likely to defend her first and take another look second.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 23, 2017, 12:22:20 am
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Quote from: deGuernsey on March 22, 2017, 06:17:19 pm
Quote from: gingerboy24 on March 22, 2017, 06:10:48 pm
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^Yes they did and frankly I am glad someone agrees with me that Diana was no holy saint and didn't also imbue with them with a sense of duty. Diana was actually surprised that microwave meals existed and she was once calling up friends and telling them about the excitement of waiting in life for the first time in her life. Diana had no clue about normalcy and had no clue about consequences; stalking a married man among her numerous affairs. She distracted her sons from a straightforward upbringing that wouldn't have mainstreamed them, but it would have protected them from users like the Midds and it's likely that neither would be in half the messes they are now.
Totall agree with you.
I do too

After the divorce, Diana was a grown woman who was free to live her life, but she was not supposed to be free from consequences. Hoare and others that she messed with were not available to her, but she was just as much a part of that drama as they were. Once she knew they were married, she should have backed off and found someone else. No matter how she had it hard via her marriage, once she was a free woman, there was never any excuse; even Dodi was with someone else, according to many he was engaged and had made a promise.

Diana was busy running around partying and she could have settled at any estate on the planet, but chose to run around. She wasn't a teenager when she was making calls to Hoare's wife/house and she wasn't an ingenue when she got into a relationship with Dodi. She never at any point thought to stop and take a look at where her life was leading her. William was supposedly upset at how she was leading her life and disliked having her spill to the tabloids and at a young age, William never should have had this kind of thing on his mind, much less telling his mother to stop seeing one person or another.

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 23, 2017, 01:01:38 am
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^ She got pretty reckless after the divorce. I think she really wanted to stick it to the RF no matter who got hurt in the process. And I say this as a Diana fan.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 23, 2017, 01:14:26 am
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I think she was reckless mainly since she was used to the courtiers cleaning up her messes and covering for her; for some reason she kept justifying her mistreatment of others as legitimate since she was the wronged wife.

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 23, 2017, 01:19:25 am
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^Agreed. When she got with Dodi, even after finding out he was already engaged, I was stunned. I knew she'd made some bad choices but what the hell was she thinking other than rattling the RF's gilded cage? I was so disappointed in her.

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Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: sandy on March 23, 2017, 01:28:34 pm
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 23, 2017, 12:22:20 am
Quote from: deGuernsey on March 22, 2017, 06:17:19 pm
Quote from: gingerboy24 on March 22, 2017, 06:10:48 pm
Quote from: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2017, 03:42:48 am
^Yes they did and frankly I am glad someone agrees with me that Diana was no holy saint and didn't also imbue with them with a sense of duty. Diana was actually surprised that microwave meals existed and she was once calling up friends and telling them about the excitement of waiting in life for the first time in her life. Diana had no clue about normalcy and had no clue about consequences; stalking a married man among her numerous affairs. She distracted her sons from a straightforward upbringing that wouldn't have mainstreamed them, but it would have protected them from users like the Midds and it's likely that neither would be in half the messes they are now.
Totall agree with you.
I do too

After the divorce, Diana was a grown woman who was free to live her life, but she was not supposed to be free from consequences. Hoare and others that she messed with were not available to her, but she was just as much a part of that drama as they were. Once she knew they were married, she should have backed off and found someone else. No matter how she had it hard via her marriage, once she was a free woman, there was never any excuse; even Dodi was with someone else, according to many he was engaged and had made a promise.

Diana was busy running around partying and she could have settled at any estate on the planet, but chose to run around. She wasn't a teenager when she was making calls to Hoare's wife/house and she wasn't an ingenue when she got into a relationship with Dodi. She never at any point thought to stop and take a look at where her life was leading her. William was supposedly upset at how she was leading her life and disliked having her spill to the tabloids and at a young age, William never should have had this kind of thing on his mind, much less telling his mother to stop seeing one person or another.

Dodi was free when he met Diana on the yacht that summer. His father ordered him to break up with Kelly Fisher and he did. Kelly Fisher blamed the Fayeds not Diana.

What about Daddy telling his biographer he never loved Diana? And what about him admitting the affair one year before Diana's interview. And that did not bother William or Harry? How come Diana is singled out. What about Dad shacking up with his married mistress? It seems there is some selective blame going on here. Charles spilled his guts to his biographer and it was not pretty.

Diana did work and did not go around "partying" like her son and daughter in law are doing now.

Diana should have stayed away from Hoare. But he is just as culpable and he pursued her it was not one sided.

Sheridan and KF please read up on the history of Diana and Dodi, he broke up with Kelly on his father's orders before he started dating Diana. This is a fact. He was a free man when he dated Diana. Again, Kelly blamed him and his father, not Diana.

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 23, 2017, 02:19:28 pm
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^ Condescending much?

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Post by: Alexandrine on March 23, 2017, 02:30:

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Let's keep the discussion without personal references. Thank you

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Post by: sandy on March 24, 2017, 12:39:38 am
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Quote from: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 23, 2017, 02:19:28 pm
^ Condescending much?

I'm stating a fact. Not being condescending. Please do not get personal

She clearly blamed the Fayeds not Diana.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572509/Dodis-ex-fiancee-tells-inquest-of-betrayal.html

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Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 24, 2017, 12:45:19 am
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^ Sorry, but how is calling someone out by name and telling them to go read up on a subject (your words, not mine) not getting personal?

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Post by: sandy on March 24, 2017, 12:49:38 am
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I routinely suggest people google to find out things or look it up. I've done this for years. It is nothing personal. So I posted the link. From Kelly's own testimony. She did not say Diana broke the engagement. I think she wanted a settlement from the Fayeds like Breach of Promise or Palimony or something to that effect.

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Post by: Kuei Fei on March 24, 2017, 06:48:55 am
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Either way, Diana should have started doing her homework on the single/non-single background of her men.

Diana was in fact never aware of normalcy and less so than Waity; Waity didn't grow up in a huge manor home with dozens of servants and didn't really work because she had to, but as a way to pass the time and basically have fun while seeking for a husband.

I do not believe that her marriage problems however should have been used as a justification to load her resentments onto her adolescent son and she had no business saying that Harry would make a better king, or really mouthing off about her ex-husband in general to the public. I don't think Diana had any excuse with Hoare, even if he was running after her; if he was, she should have drawn some kind of line and basically she should have ordered him to back off. Diana had no business even compromising herself like that since she herself knew how painful the other woman can be for any wife.

I am frankly disgusted that Diana didn't learn about the pain 'the other woman' causes even if it's just light flirtation; I dislike how every one of her inappropriate (or just plain wrong) actions are in fact blamed on Charles and Camilla all the time. Charles and Camilla didn't make her do everything she did to other people.

Diana was once compared to Marilyn Monroe and she denied it stating she was more like Jackie O., since she (Jackie) had been mistreated by the Kennedy family (somewhat true to an extent) and she (Diana) knew all about that. Diana was constantly viewing and declaring herself to be a victim and never really faced the ugly truth that many of her own problems are in fact mainly because of her own actions. Jackie O. had her husband's brains blown out and managed to avoid going on national television or leaking to the press, but go figure, Diana went to the press on a constant basis (when she wasn't suing them or ordering injunctions) and I dislike how, despite her privileges, she still managed to make a huge mess for herself.

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Post by: deGuernsey on March 24, 2017, 07:03:42 am
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^ How did Charles and Camilla cause PD to do ANY of the things she did to other people? Yes, it is horrid reading how PDs actions are often pinned on the Prince/Princess of Wales. I don't follow these people but even I have heard and read this nonsense. Diana just seemed like a mess to begin with. I might be wrong but she seemed a mess. I didn't know she sued the press! So this erratic behaviour against the media is more copycatting PD!

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Post by: sandy on March 24, 2017, 10:48:49 am
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It's funny how the Diana was a "mess" and "erratic" come straight from Charles sympathizers like Junor, this done to score points with Charles. The Duchess of Cornwall and the Prince of Wales are no saints and Charles minions like Junor and Bedell bashing Diana, to try to excuse their own actions, is oh so obvious. It's smoke and mirrors. The Duchess slept her way to the top, she ditched her own family for her ambitions, mentored a 19 year old that she felt would be the "perfect mouse" and she could manipulate, and undermined the wife, even stepping into her role as hostess at Highgrove. Diana was no "mess" or "erratic" she was spot on about Camilla. She was human. Diana sued the press about that photo of her in the gym. Which was justified. It is the oldest excuse int he book for a man's philandering to have his wife labeled "erratic." Charles I think was and is narcissistic and the world revolves around him. Well he got what he wanted, the wife, heirs, and got to see off the wife and marry the mistress.

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Either way, Diana should have started doing her homework on the single/non-single background of her men.

Diana was in fact never aware of normalcy and less so than Waity; Waity didn't grow up in a huge manor home with dozens of servants and didn't really work because she had to, but as a way to pass the time and basically have fun while seeking for a husband.

I do not believe that her marriage problems however should have been used as a justification to load her resentments onto her adolescent son and she had no business saying that Harry would make a better king, or really mouthing off about her ex-husband in general to the public. I don't think Diana had any excuse with Hoare, even if he was running after her; if he was, she should have drawn some kind of line and basically she should have ordered him to back off. Diana had no business even compromising herself like that since she herself knew how painful the other woman can be for any wife.

I am frankly disgusted that Diana didn't learn about the pain 'the other woman' causes even if it's just light flirtation; I dislike how every one of her inappropriate (or just plain wrong) actions are in fact blamed on Charles and Camilla all the time. Charles and Camilla didn't make her do everything she did to other people.

Diana was once compared to Marilyn Monroe and she denied it stating she was more like Jackie O., since she (Jackie) had been mistreated by the Kennedy family (somewhat true to an extent) and she (Diana) knew all about that. Diana was constantly viewing and declaring herself to be a victim and never really faced the ugly truth that many of her own problems are in fact mainly because of her own actions. Jackie O. had her husband's brains blown out and managed to avoid going on national television or leaking to the press, but go figure, Diana went to the press on a constant basis (when she wasn't suing them or ordering injunctions) and I dislike how, despite her privileges, she still managed to make a huge mess for herself.

Kate waited ten years for the ring and was not exactly lauded for having "fun" and falling out of nightclubs and vacationing. Her bad work ethic carried over into the marriage. She had ample time to work but chose to be on call for WIlliam. I don't find this particularly admirable or "normal". Servants or no servants.

Diana sued the press over that photograph of her in the gym. I don't recall any other time she did. Kate and William do push the envelope in suing people.

Jackie O. did live with a man who was still married (Templesman). So she was not above reproach herself.

Charles cut Diana loose after she had the heir and spare. ANd she was only 23. Should she have taken vows? She would have risked losing custody had she bolted. Charles in the mean time could have his fun with Camilla and Janet Jenkins and others. Diana should have been given a contract about what was expected in the marriage to Charles and maybe with a clause in the contract that she could divorce without losing custody of the children.Charles adamantly wanted the marriage HIS way. It was not as if she ran around on the Great Man before he ditched her. He ditched her and I think he had it in mind to leave her bed after he did his duty and had the children. In that sense I blame him.

Even if Diana had remained celibate, Charles would still have been emotionally abusive to her and Diana would have had to put up with it. She was in a no win situation.

Diana did talk about Jackie O. in reference to how she raised her children. And expressed admiration about how she raised Caroline and John.

I find Camilla's and Charles' actions loathesome and whatever Diana did, they are still loathesome and selfish.

Charles had his people bashing Diana as early as the mid eighties. Some women would have done a lot worse than Diana under these circumstances.

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Post by: deGuernsey on March 24, 2017, 03:56:58 pm
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^ Sandy, I said Diana seemed like a mess and I mean it. In my opinion PD was not the best, most honest and/or honourable person and not the worst either. And I find she was quite the mess. This disaster was a shame all around and, no, I don't believe PD married PC because of love but as she said in am interview, "I want to be a ballerina or the Prncess of Wales. I found I am too tall to be a ballerina." Or some pother such nonsense aand she wasn't forced to marry the Prince. She chose to. As I have said I find this matter a terrible shame all arround and PD a mess.

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Post by: dianab on March 24, 2017, 04:27:17 pm
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Quote from: Kuei Fei on Today at 06:48:55 am
Diana was once compared to Marilyn Monroe and she denied it stating she was more like Jackie O., since she (Jackie) had been mistreated by the Kennedy family (somewhat true to an extent) and she (Diana) knew all about that. Diana was constantly viewing and declaring herself to be a victim and never really faced the ugly truth that many of her own problems are in fact mainly because of her own actions. Jackie O. had her husband's brains blown out and managed to avoid going on national television or leaking to the press, but go figure, Diana went to the press on a constant basis (when she wasn't suing them or ordering injunctions) and I dislike how, despite her privileges, she still managed to make a huge mess for herself.
sorry but...Apples & oranges here... Jackie was treated like a 'queen' compared to Diana who was seen as a crazy woman since because she suffered PP depression and bulimia to the fact she disliked being trapped in a convenience marriage (a big facade) and didnt see normal having a cheating husband in love with his mistress. The Kennedys knew Jackie was a ASSET, they welcomed their charisma and popularity. The Windsors hated Diana for her popularity and charisma, didnt understand why she liked to hug people and particularly little kids who she had never met before AND getting involved in Aids and cancer charities. To them, IF she was normal and reasonable she'd have been involved in more clean charities and obviously would have seen Camilla as something normal in royal/aristo culture.

PS. When one of he babies of Jackie died, JKF father begged him to left a orgy and comfort Jackie in hospital. When some Windsor called out Charles and said for him to comfort and to be there for Diana

As for Panorama interview and Morton book I'M glad she did what she did. I respect her a lot for that. She wanted her life back and fought for it. Good for her. IT'S a shame back then she didnt out the fact Charles wrote a letter for get that religious man out of jail.

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Post by: deGuernsey on March 24, 2017, 04:49:35 pm
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^ I didn't know PD had post partum depression.

My heart goes out to women with this illness. Omg it's bad! Am I wrong in saying there wasn't much by way of treatment back then or am I remembering incorrectly?

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Post by: dianab on March 24, 2017, 05:07:36 pm
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She got treatment. She talked about it during the Panorama interview. But Chuck was much more worried and devastated that wheretever he was, the press and people just wanted Diana... after all he was such a looker with devastating charisma... Just Milla could understand him, poor thing

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Post by: deGuernsey on March 24, 2017, 06:40:35 pm
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^ I didn't know that. Glad to hear she sought and received treatment. Thanks for the info.

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