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Post by Admin on Nov 13, 2020 23:18:36 GMT
I don't think there is any myth or mystery and I regret that she has be deified and viewed as a victim or someone who has never really been responsible for her choices in life. It is always a bad idea to idealize someone who is self destructive since you are copying someone who makes one bad decision after another. She made sure there was no mystery in her life with her constant spilling of her personal business and there is no myth. She was just a self destructive woman who was (for one reason or another) determined to make everyone around her pay in full for what was going on inside her head. She made bad choice after bad choice and I resent that (as someone who has worked HARD to stabilize and sort out my mental health) that no one holds her responsible despite the fact that she was not someone who did all she could to fix herself while she was married and a young mother. It wasn't until AFTER she had blown through the BRF and shattered Charles' reputation to pieces and called into question the previously unquestioned acceptance of the realities of the succession that she had a full wake-up call (only after losing her marriage for good along with her "HRH") and even still, she was still wrecking lives. The Carling marriage, the Hoare's quiet life, plus the nonstop leaks and then the lawsuits and suing malls for recording her when she was wearing major low cleavage blouses. Then there was poor Hasnat who genuinely liked her, but she made a fool of him by initially denying that they were in a relationship, which is a HUGE slap in the face to be privately seen and then publicly denied and in Eastern culture, that is a way of suggesting that the one being denied is an inferior, fit only to be used, but not respected. Then she wanted to have him leave his practice that he was devoted to in order to be a doctor who would fly around the world and it drives me nuts that she wanted the men in her life to just drop everything and spend time with her. Then there was Dodi, who was informally engaged to Kelly Fisher and really, couldn't she just take some breathing space instead of jumping man to man? Princess Diana claimed Charles said he didn’t love her on the eve of their wedding
How many times do we have to hear this? I mean after what point can the world please move on and let her go and leave all that behind? Just for once, can everyone stop feeling sorry for someone who spent her whole life getting away with things that would have gotten other people either institutionalized or jailed?
I wonder how she really even suffered beyond this - did she get attacked? Have her reputation dragged in the mud? Left in financial straits? Had her children taken away from her? Sent away in exile? Cast off by the world? |
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Post by kueifei on Nov 13, 2020 23:25:13 GMT
Well, she did attack Charles, drag his reputation in the med, soaked him for gobs of cash (seventeen million USD is no joke) and used access to the children as a way to provoke him into giving her her precious separation. She lost nothing but the "HRH" and still got to keep the title "Princess of Wales." She was never cast off (the way my mother was) and it is clear that she was in fact wholly embraced by the rest of the world even if the BRF (understandably) didn't want her on their hands anymore. It irritates me that she keeps being turned into a victim yet again and I am resentful that she is held up as a paragon of victim-hood despite her limitless advantages.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2020 18:42:48 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8948539/Diana-dismissed-protection-stopped-car-crash-Bashir-statements-Tina-Brown-says.htmlDiana would be alive if she had not got rid of her royal protection officers after being shown fake Bashir bank statements, claims ex-Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown Tina Brown said Martin Bashir's bank statements saw her dismiss her protection The journalist said her protection could have stopped her Paris car crash in 1997 Ms Brown said documents led the princess to fear employees were spying on her It comes as the BBC claims it found a note from Princess Diana absolving Bashir By JAMES GANT FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 05:54 EST, 14 November 2020 | UPDATED: 12:23 EST, 14 November 2020 Princess Diana's friend has claimed the fake evidence used to secure her Panorama interview probably kick-started events that ended in her death. Ex-Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown said Martin Bashir's doctored bank statements saw the Royal dismiss her protection which could have stopped her Paris car crash. Ms Brown, who had lunch with Diana in New York a month before she died, said the documents likely led the princess to fear employees were spying on her. It comes as the BBC claimed it has suddenly found a long-lost handwritten note from the Princess that it claims to absolve Bashir of using false documents to get to interview her.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 14, 2020 19:13:50 GMT
Diana never should have been allowed to decide. She was the mother of a future king and ex-consort of a future King and Diana was still brainless about the realities of her life. She should have been assigned guards and if she didn't like it, tough cookies. As for Panorama, she didn't have to do ANY interview at all and she should have known that Bashir might be a slime-ball who was using her. For all her vaunted 'instincts,' she was still quite brainless. I mean really, Diana wasn't an ingenue at age 36.
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Post by kueifei on Nov 24, 2020 0:33:36 GMT
Why is there an investigation? Diana wasn't a teen bride when she did that interview, she wasn't even in her twenties. Why does she get all the breaks and understanding and why is she so pitied? She was a fully grown mother of two and money is being wasted on a situation that has been OVER for nearly thirty years and IT IS OVER AND DONE! She isn't some perpetual victim or some kind of misled ingenue. She was fully grown and was always making bad choices! This is such a WASTE of taxpayer money!
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2020 0:48:48 GMT
Why is there an investigation? Diana wasn't a teen bride when she did that interview, she wasn't even in her twenties. Why does she get all the breaks and understanding and why is she so pitied? She was a fully grown mother of two and money is being wasted on a situation that has been OVER for nearly thirty years and IT IS OVER AND DONE! She isn't some perpetual victim or some kind of misled ingenue. She was fully grown and was always making bad choices! This is such a WASTE of taxpayer money! I agree - what could be their reasoning for doing this, now? Seems like such a non-issue - really, 2nd wave of Covid19 everywhere and THIS is their biggest issue?  |
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Post by kueifei on Nov 24, 2020 15:59:55 GMT
Diana was taken advantage of at nineteen, no doubt about it, but she was not nineteen when she was starting her affairs or starting that book with Andrew Morton, or doing that interview with Panorama. I 'get it' that Bashir was/is a slimeball, but she should have been using her BRAIN and having his 'evidence' vetted by an expert investigator or a specialist who would be able to find out if he was a genuine source of the stuff that he showed her to convince her that he was solid/legit. At her age, in one's mid-twinsets, she should have been more mature and responsible about who she was getting mixed up with and she made the bad choice to play with fire by going behind the back of everyone who would have vetted this guy and told her that he was forging documents and lying to her about his background. I mean really, she wasn't that persecuted that she had no one she could trust. She was a princess and she could have gone to any solicitor who would have helped. It irritates me that she keeps getting all these excuses made for her and her sons are now launching an investigation into something that she did to herself.
Prince William screamed at his mother after watching her 1995 BBC interview
I don't blame him. She went on international television and admitted to adultery, calling Harry's paternity into question. She then admits that she had bulimia and called his entire family (that has stood behind him no matter what) as a bunch of evil conspiratorial monsters, and proceeded to suggest that Charles was unfit for the Throne, therefore not just setting William up as a Pretender against his father, but also attempting to throw a HUGE burden on William's adolescent shoulders. There is no way that William would be ready to be first in line right behind an elderly woman who could suffer a head cold and not be able to fully recover. Then there was the insinuation that Charles didn't love her (I still say this is debatable since after all, he ended up being pretty torn up at the time of her death) and that would mess up anyone hearing that from a mother about his father. I also believe that she set William up as being responsible for her (like she did to EVERYONE) and therefore he might have beleived that he should have been able to stop her from doing that interview. So yeah, I can understand his wrath at her antics.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2020 16:58:37 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8995955/Earl-Spencers-ex-head-security-says-nearly-drove-suicide.html'Bashir is responsible for Diana's demise', says Earl Spencer's ex-head of security who says BBC journalist's false claim that he had sold Princess Diana's secrets nearly drove him to suicide Alan Waller, 57, was a former paratrooper in the British Army and ex-US Marine Mr Waller said the Bashir fake bank statements has a 'devastating effect' on him The first fake bank statement allegedly showed a £4,000 payment to Mr Waller By EMILY WEBBER FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 07:52 EST, 28 November 2020 | UPDATED: 08:18 EST, 28 November 2020 
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Post by kueifei on Nov 28, 2020 19:40:18 GMT
Diana was responsible for doing that interview, not Bashir or anyone else. Like a lot of journalists who are eager for a story, he was using sleazy tactics to convince her to work with him. She was still the one who chose to do it covertly, bypassing the palace protocols/vetting process, and putting her dirty laundry out there. She was someone who was doing it all 'her way' and she was surely aware that shew as doing something that would get her into trouble. She then proceeds to press the destruct button on her marriage by openly questioning whether or not her husband has a right to his current ancestral position and then whether or not (despite his remarkable groundbreaking work via charity due to the Prince's Trust) Charles will make a good king. I think that if Diana had been less narcissistic and spoiled, she would have realized the value of the work that the Prince's Trust does and she could have worked at the Trust and gained her husband's respect and maybe over time, the kind of love she spent her life working towards. it will never mean that she is someone who is entitled to the position of Heir or her son should be shoved into it. Bashir is a sleazebag that manipulated her, but she was no ingenue at 35 years old and she had to have known that what she was doing was wrong.
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Post by Admin on Dec 6, 2020 2:32:37 GMT
www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/25/monarchy.stephenbatesDark side of Diana described by ex-aide Special report: the future of the monarchy A devastating portrait of a wilful and manipulative Princess Diana emerged yesterday from extracts of a book written by her former private secretary, Patrick Jephson, printed in the Sunday Times.
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Post by kueifei on Dec 6, 2020 21:04:38 GMT
I read the book and I believe it. She was someone who was the darling of people who did not live with her, but it was different for those who did. She was someone who had a talent for screwing up the carefully laid plans of others, plans that would have kept her in a good place and I believe that if Jephson had been able to get her placed under the supervision of HM's offices and on the civil list where her spending could have been monitored, I believe that she would have been able to remain in the BRF and she would be alive. Jephson was a good man who did a lot of good work and quite honestly, I do believe she resented people who actually ENJOYED the kind of life that working for her provided. I honestly believe that she could have been a much better person if she had not had so much power and independence at a young age. At nineteen, she was not equipped to deal with the level of power that was handed to her upon marriage and she was not someone who handled it all that responsibly. She spent much of her life getting to hire/fire on whim and she never should have put people in positions where they would have to pretend to not be ecstatic about the perks that went with working for her, lest she 'feel used.'
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2020 13:24:58 GMT
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Post by kueifei on Dec 11, 2020 3:45:39 GMT
Yep let's blame Charles for everything. For the bulimia, for her affairs, for her suicide attempts (while pregnant), for losing her temper nonstop, and for the married men she messed with, for her leaking to the press and then suing the press, and for suggesting that the rightful succession be overthrown. Let's blame everyone but the person who actually did that stuff, which was Diana. She was NEVER left to figure it all out on her own and she was NEVER left out in the literal cold after the divorce. There is a different between (understandable) social ostracism and literal poverty. I am so fed up with her pity party. She never knew what literal hunger was, what it was like to be left fully alone in the streets, and she never really did learn how good she had it. After everything she pulled, she still had a home, friends, funds, and limitless opportunities. I GET IT that her mother left, but her mother was being abused and had every right to make a break. Diana really did think that the world should just drop everything and cater to her latest existential crisis and she really did believe that it was everyone's job to suffer along with her even when they had their own problems and struggles. At nineteen, she was in over her head, but she was definitely someone who had help and had support and was someone who did horrible damage along the way. She was just as capable of using and dropping people and she did it all the time. She was not an ingenue at thirty or at thirty-five and it is clear that she still never stopped pushing others to be as miserable as she made herself. I also believe that the reason she had problems finding a decent guy is because she wouldn't stop the self destructiveness. Men who are at any solid level, a good level, are not people who want to prop up an adult who has every resource. Much of her mindset was like that of an alcoholic whose thought process has become cyclical and not straightforward and she needed tough love, but wasn't willing to accept that she needed to start helping herself and stop pressing the self destruct button.
As for her airhead persona, she is the one who did that to herself. She marketed herself as a dumb blonde fashion plate and made the mistake of thinking that she could change into a 'serious person' on whim after a while and wanted to be taken seriously. She would NOT do anything that would change her image over and she made the bad choice of not getting an education while married or single. It's not like she had to worry about bills versus tuition payments and it's not like she was someone who was even TRYING to stabilize. It's not like she was someone who would be without resources or even have to get an actual job. It's not like she's someone who would have been derided for trying to better herself intellectually. Her main problem always had been was her perpetual resentment against 'the establishment' and this delusional believe that she was a fighter for the people and so much more 'aware' of how the 'real world' worked. She made the mistake of thinking that being well taken care of is somehow the same as being someone who works hard to bring home the bacon and it isn't. She had a free ride and she BLEW IT. She was not cast off to fight for money to pay rent and she was not left to raise two kids in bad schools. She didn't deal with a high crime residential area and she idd not have to deal with a horrific lack of opportunities with her lack of qualifications.
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Post by Admin on Jan 1, 2021 3:23:12 GMT
Heads up, Everybody...
For more provocative or speculative discussions and/or so-called "controversial" opinions or theories regarding Princess Diana and aspects of her life and death, have created a new "Members Only" section in Royal Lair.
Of course, please keep up the other discussions about Princess Diana here.
I have moved some posts over to the new forum accordingly.
Cheers,
Admin
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Post by kueifei on Jan 2, 2021 3:52:43 GMT
I posted this in a private message and got a rave review, so here is another musing of mine:
I sometimes wonder if Diana ever realized what life for Charles would be like if he had been driven out. He would be a prince without a principality and he would likely be unable to live in the UK. Also, I think he resented how Diana took her popularity and used it as a battering ram against him despite all his hard work. His work for the Trust, his duties, his sincere dedication, all that was ignored and then undermined. He wasn't popular in the media way, but he was respected. His charity work was never given coverage or credit that it deserved and regrettably for some reason Diana never appreciated it as well. He did the work, built a reputation over the decades, and then this ingenue comes along and gets tons of adulation simply by existing. Then his wife goes on a rampage, suggesting that he be driven out and that his charity, his passion be left without it's founder and how life would be like for Charles. At fifty he would have to start over and start in a whole new country and watch as his wife wrecks everything he worked so hard to build. Then the recipients of the Prince's Trust help would end up being left without his mentor-ship and would be without his guidance and there is no way that a high school dropout would manage to steer something of that magnitude. She would have a bulimic episode in minutes. Then there would be the fact that William would have to take some kind of charge and he would not be ready for it and William is clearly not charitably inclined. So no one in the BRF would handle this and so the Trust would go bust. Diana would most likely then screw it up more by choosing to shatter more boundaries and create even more chaos. I honestly believe that Diana's death was a kind of mercy. She was overthrown by a mistress and had her rep trashed, but she should have been capable in her thirties of somehow handling the situation with the endless resources she had at her fingertips.
If she had turned to fellow aristocrats or political wives, she would have had friendship and support, but her ETERNAL issue was how she kept being childlike WAY past the time it was appropriate. She should not have had other adult women as mother figures she was dependent on for advice/guidance/support and I cannot imagine that she would have been able to properly direct the life of a future king. She had no business trying to get parenting from all the wrong people and then believing that she could parent/guide an heir to a throne while at the same time, burdening that heir with the 'parentification' process that she subjected William to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 7:31:31 GMT
I posted this in a private message and got a rave review, so here is another musing of mine:
I sometimes wonder if Diana ever realized what life for Charles would be like if he had been driven out. He would be a prince without a principality and he would likely be unable to live in the UK. Also, I think he resented how Diana took her popularity and used it as a battering ram against him despite all his hard work. His work for the Trust, his duties, his sincere dedication, all that was ignored and then undermined. He wasn't popular in the media way, but he was respected. His charity work was never given coverage or credit that it deserved and regrettably for some reason Diana never appreciated it as well. He did the work, built a reputation over the decades, and then this ingenue comes along and gets tons of adulation simply by existing. Then his wife goes on a rampage, suggesting that he be driven out and that his charity, his passion be left without it's founder and how life would be like for Charles. At fifty he would have to start over and start in a whole new country and watch as his wife wrecks everything he worked so hard to build. Then the recipients of the Prince's Trust help would end up being left without his mentor-ship and would be without his guidance and there is no way that a high school dropout would manage to steer something of that magnitude. She would have a bulimic episode in minutes. Then there would be the fact that William would have to take some kind of charge and he would not be ready for it and William is clearly not charitably inclined. So no one in the BRF would handle this and so the Trust would go bust. Diana would most likely then screw it up more by choosing to shatter more boundaries and create even more chaos. I honestly believe that Diana's death was a kind of mercy. She was overthrown by a mistress and had her rep trashed, but she should have been capable in her thirties of somehow handling the situation with the endless resources she had at her fingertips.
If she had turned to fellow aristocrats or political wives, she would have had friendship and support, but her ETERNAL issue was how she kept being childlike WAY past the time it was appropriate. She should not have had other adult women as mother figures she was dependent on for advice/guidance/support and I cannot imagine that she would have been able to properly direct the life of a future king. She had no business trying to get parenting from all the wrong people and then believing that she could parent/guide an heir to a throne while at the same time, burdening that heir with the 'parentification' process that she subjected William to.
I think Tampon should have gotten the title of Duke of Windsor after getting the divorce he wanted. Who would she befriend? The women/wives who helped her husband cheat? Who laughed at her behind her back and kowtowed to a mistress? Would you want such friends? Remember, the first person to try to "befriend" her was Camilla. |
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Post by kueifei on Jan 3, 2021 19:30:44 GMT
There were others than just the Highgrove set. She could have reached out to the wives of politicians, diplomats and I am SURE she had supporters in the aristocracy that hated Camilla for wrecking a dynastic marriage and causing all that upheaval that she did. Diana could have gone to the media and told the press/public that Camilla was actively dictating to Charles the number of kids that were going to be had, as if Camilla were in fact messing with the succession (which she was). If Diana had bluntly stated that Camilla was robbing her of the comfort of a large family and security of numerous heirs, the British would have risen up and burned Raymill to the ground. I mean really, just that alone would have maybe even triggered a political backlash against Camilla. I mean really, preventing the additional of additional heirs, that is in fact a HUGE no-no. If Diana had been savvy enough to spin that, I imagine that Diana would still be the wife and Camilla would be an exile or deceased from an 'accident.' Or Kanga's demise would have been hers as well. I am dead sure that Charles would have been heavily chastised as well for not performing the more 'intimate duties' that go with being heir and being responsible for his dynasty's continuity. It would be so much different now than then. Also, it might have increased William's respect for his mother and would have set him an example when sidepieces try to overthrow centerpieces.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 21:55:38 GMT
There were others than just the Highgrove set. She could have reached out to the wives of politicians, diplomats and I am SURE she had supporters in the aristocracy that hated Camilla for wrecking a dynastic marriage and causing all that upheaval that she did. Diana could have gone to the media and told the press/public that Camilla was actively dictating to Charles the number of kids that were going to be had, as if Camilla were in fact messing with the succession (which she was). If Diana had bluntly stated that Camilla was robbing her of the comfort of a large family and security of numerous heirs, the British would have risen up and burned Raymill to the ground. I mean really, just that alone would have maybe even triggered a political backlash against Camilla. I mean really, preventing the additional of additional heirs, that is in fact a HUGE no-no. If Diana had been savvy enough to spin that, I imagine that Diana would still be the wife and Camilla would be an exile or deceased from an 'accident.' Or Kanga's demise would have been hers as well. I am dead sure that Charles would have been heavily chastised as well for not performing the more 'intimate duties' that go with being heir and being responsible for his dynasty's continuity. It would be so much different now than then. Also, it might have increased William's respect for his mother and would have set him an example when sidepieces try to overthrow centerpieces. The only people to blame for Camilla staying are QEII and Phillip. I do find it funny Kanga was friends with Diana... Honestly, there was nothing for Diana to do differently. Camilla was an open secret. One thing that stuck to me (and was new to me) when reading the Diana Chronicles that the Parker-Bowles went to a military/veteran formal and Tampon was openly making out with Camilla. How did the military wives put up with this?! APB loved it. Honestly, imo the Parker-Bowles are a little too accepting of Tampon. Just as Willy is too fond of Camilla. I never got that vibe from Harry... There was never was an uprising over Camilla or Tiggy... |
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Post by india on Jan 3, 2021 23:08:09 GMT
They all gross me out.
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Post by kueifei on Jan 4, 2021 4:07:57 GMT
Totally. I can't get over that royals are reduced to all of this.
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tale BS.
#JamesMiddleton